Re: High C, Middle C and Low C, Flat G, etc.

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean... I plays piano and violin myself... How to

explain the pitch? It is kinda of hard to explain the concepts of

pitches. Are you able to tellthe different between high and low

voices? That is called high or low pitch. That will be something you

will find out for yourself with your implant. It is so exciting to

discover new sounds! But one advice, HAVE A LOT OF PATIENCE! It mays

annoys you at the first but you will get used to it.

> Hi guys...

>

> Only two more weeks left to my hook up day...

>

> Just finished reading Beverly Biderman's most excellent book. In

it

> she mentions the first four notes of a classical song, I think,

> Beethoven's 5th Symphony -- G G G E flat. And something was

mentioned

> about " C C D flat C " ?

>

> Could someone please explain these to me -- I know she talked about

> bass and treble sounds -- but variations in pitch as in high C,

middle

> C, low C? What is pitch -- I don't think I've been able to hear

> pitches with hearing aids?

>

> Come to think of it, inflections in voices either.

>

> Remember I'm not having my CI activated yet, it would be nice to

have

> these terms explained to me in visual terms so that I have an idea

of

> what to expect when I hear these sounds for the " first time. "

>

> Happy thanksgiving one and all!

>

> implanted 10/20, waiting two more weeks

[Guest guest]

Pitch describes how low or high a note is. The more vibration a note has

(such as high C), the higher its pitch. The less vibration a note has (such

as low C), the lower its pitch. For example, a high C has a higher frequency

sound than middle C. Middle C has a higher frequency sound than low C. Does

this make sense? Hopefully I haven't confused you further. It has been about

10 years since I last read music.

Surgery date: 12/22/04 (28 days and counting!)

Activation date: 1/18/05

[Guest guest]

If you could tell the difference between male and female voices with your

HAs (even if you couldn't understand what was said), you've heard pitch. Men

have deep, low pitched voices while women have higher pitched voices.

Unfortunately, I don't know how else to describe this in visual terms except

to relate the sound of a high, medium and low pitch according to different

parts of your body -- a high pitch represents your head, middle pitches

represent your torso and low pitches represent your feet. The difference

between a high pitch and a low pitch has the greatest difference in sound

compared to moving from high to medium (pitch) or medium to low (pitch).

Surgery date: 12/22/04 (28 days and counting!)

Activation date: 1/18/05

[Guest guest]

High and low voices? Yes, high frequencies like women's voices, and

low frequencies as in men's voices?

But the same note, high middle and low? How could one recognize a C,

and differentiate between high, middle, low and flat C?

That's the situation I don't yet understand since I don't hear the

differences. Would that be like seeing differences in the SAME COLOR?

Dark green, light green, blueish green? I'm excited if it is indeed

possible with the implant!

Chris

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:14:49 -0000, cuteboi12001 <jrmatheson@...> wrote:

>

>

> I know what you mean... I plays piano and violin myself... How to

> explain the pitch? It is kinda of hard to explain the concepts of

> pitches. Are you able to tellthe different between high and low

> voices? That is called high or low pitch. That will be something you

> will find out for yourself with your implant. It is so exciting to

> discover new sounds! But one advice, HAVE A LOT OF PATIENCE! It mays

> annoys you at the first but you will get used to it.

>

>

> > Hi guys...

> >

> > Only two more weeks left to my hook up day...

> >

> > Just finished reading Beverly Biderman's most excellent book. In

> it

> > she mentions the first four notes of a classical song, I think,

> > Beethoven's 5th Symphony -- G G G E flat. And something was

> mentioned

> > about " C C D flat C " ?

> >

> > Could someone please explain these to me -- I know she talked about

> > bass and treble sounds -- but variations in pitch as in high C,

> middle

> > C, low C? What is pitch -- I don't think I've been able to hear

> > pitches with hearing aids?

> >

> > Come to think of it, inflections in voices either.

> >

> > Remember I'm not having my CI activated yet, it would be nice to

> have

> > these terms explained to me in visual terms so that I have an idea

> of

> > what to expect when I hear these sounds for the " first time. "

> >

> > Happy thanksgiving one and all!

> >

> > implanted 10/20, waiting two more weeks

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I cant do better than but I think the change in color is parallel

to sound too. I've never been a musician tho I enjoy music. Actually.....

Color is a frequency, just as sound is. Take the rainbow. In its basic

depiction, its got what 7 or 8 colors where in reality its much more

infinite. Lets see, red is the lower frequency and ends in blue which is a

higher frequency. If I could find it, I could describe the range of

frequencies that covers ALL of what we see hear and feel. And whats more,

there is much more that is *not* discernible to us puny humans.

When I was first activated, male and female voices sounded the same.

There was no telling what was what. Sicne the implant is not changing, it

has to be the brain that is adapting because it very quickly learned to

comprehend the difference in male and female voices. Fascinating.

By the way, while downtown, after my mapping, I took my friend to check

out the Bose radio. They are pricey but considering its small size, it

sounds like a million dollar system. I took 2 of my music CD's and the

sales rep played them for us. I knew I would be impressed, I had been there

before. My friend was impressed but not enough to get one for me. LOL

One more thing. For those who are or were musicians, there is life

after the CI. I know of a man in the Northwest who is very much involved in

music after he received a CI. He is a happy camper.

*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

--

& Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

Portland, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rlclark77@...

http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

[Guest guest]

<<That's the situation I don't yet understand since I don't hear the

differences. Would that be like seeing differences in the SAME COLOR?

Dark green, light green, blueish green?>>

Exactly! Using your analogy, light green would represent high pitch while

bluish green represents medium pitch and dark green represents low pitch.

Each of these colors look (or in the case of pitch -- sound) different from

each other. You can tell the difference between a high, medium and low C by

listening to (or in the case of colors -- looking at) them.

Surgery date: 12/22/04 (28 days and counting!)

Activation date: 1/18/05

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you... I'm almost there in complete understanding. Though I

think I'll " get it " when I get hooked up in 13 days. Ask me again in

a month... I remember when I got my new HAs several years ago after

wearing analog hearing aids, it felt like I was watching color TV

after a lifetime of black and white TV, that was the best I could do

to explain to my friends who were curious about the new frequency

transposing hearing aids I had just obtained.

High C, Middle C, Low C are referring to different frequencies of a

range WITHIN a tone?

Chris

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:45:23 -0800, <rlclark77@...> wrote:

>

>

> I cant do better than but I think the change in color is parallel

> to sound too. I've never been a musician tho I enjoy music. Actually.....

>

> Color is a frequency, just as sound is. Take the rainbow. In its basic

> depiction, its got what 7 or 8 colors where in reality its much more

> infinite. Lets see, red is the lower frequency and ends in blue which is a

> higher frequency. If I could find it, I could describe the range of

> frequencies that covers ALL of what we see hear and feel. And whats more,

> there is much more that is *not* discernible to us puny humans.

>

> When I was first activated, male and female voices sounded the same.

> There was no telling what was what. Sicne the implant is not changing, it

> has to be the brain that is adapting because it very quickly learned to

> comprehend the difference in male and female voices. Fascinating.

>

> By the way, while downtown, after my mapping, I took my friend to check

> out the Bose radio. They are pricey but considering its small size, it

> sounds like a million dollar system. I took 2 of my music CD's and the

> sales rep played them for us. I knew I would be impressed, I had been there

> before. My friend was impressed but not enough to get one for me. LOL

>

> One more thing. For those who are or were musicians, there is life

> after the CI. I know of a man in the Northwest who is very much involved in

> music after he received a CI. He is a happy camper.

>

> *---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

> A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

> --

> & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

> Portland, Oregon

> N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

> rlclark77@...

> http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It will become clear to you again. Look at the sounds such as the high

and low notes as colors. Example is the C note. Then compare it with say

the color blue. There isnt just blue, just as there isnt just a C note

(what I wouldnt do to have some C notes in my wallet). There are " shades of

C, low medium high and all the variations in between. There are shades of

blue ranging from light blue to dark blue.

Another way to look at it is the rainbow and the piano keys. They both

present a range of frequencies, from low to high.

*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

If you drink, don't park; accidents cause people.

& Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

Portland, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rlclark77@...

http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

[Guest guest]

I am sure you will tell the difference the pitches after you get

your implant activated and I am excited for you. How old are you?

What is your history with your hearing impairment?

Jarom

[Guest guest]

Jarom,

You ask about my history with my hearing impairment -- sure -- if

you'll share yours. I'm prelingually profoundly deaf, since birth,

unknown reason, hearing aids both ears since age 4-5 or so. Oral deaf

education all my school years, working as a dentist. Now 43 years

old. Implanted 10/20 R ear with the N24C, and waiting for activation

12/8 and making sure my parents are there for the happy ocassion!

Lipreading without aids 95% open set, 0% on spondees, words, or open

set with hearing aids. Yeah, that bad.

Chris

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:28:36 -0000, cuteboi12001 <jrmatheson@...> wrote:

>

>

> I am sure you will tell the difference the pitches after you get

> your implant activated and I am excited for you. How old are you?

> What is your history with your hearing impairment?

>

> Jarom

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, people will not recognize which musical note is which. But they will

recognize that they are different notes. Being able to identify musical notes

take training.

In a message dated 11/26/2004 4:43:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Lehfeldt@... writes:

So then it is true that everyone (who can hear, that is) instantly

recognizes that a note is C, or G, or an E right away, just as we deaf

or hard of hearing people can perceive a color as being green, blue or

black, etc.?

[Guest guest]

Chris...your color analogy sounds perfect to me. Light green,

medium green, and deep green color...as long as its the same basic

green color that is shaded lighter or darker.

Gayle

> > > Hi guys...

> > >

> > > Only two more weeks left to my hook up day...

> > >

> > > Just finished reading Beverly Biderman's most excellent book.

In

> > it

> > > she mentions the first four notes of a classical song, I think,

> > > Beethoven's 5th Symphony -- G G G E flat. And something was

> > mentioned

> > > about " C C D flat C " ?

> > >

> > > Could someone please explain these to me -- I know she talked

about

> > > bass and treble sounds -- but variations in pitch as in high C,

> > middle

> > > C, low C? What is pitch -- I don't think I've been able to hear

> > > pitches with hearing aids?

> > >

> > > Come to think of it, inflections in voices either.

> > >

> > > Remember I'm not having my CI activated yet, it would be nice to

> > have

> > > these terms explained to me in visual terms so that I have an

idea

> > of

> > > what to expect when I hear these sounds for the " first time. "

> > >

> > > Happy thanksgiving one and all!

> > >

> > > implanted 10/20, waiting two more weeks

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

So then it is true that everyone (who can hear, that is) instantly

recognizes that a note is C, or G, or an E right away, just as we deaf

or hard of hearing people can perceive a color as being green, blue or

black, etc.?

I wasn't understanding how a note C, could be flat, high or middle or

low. In two weeks, I hope!

Blissfully stuffed,

implanted 10/20, itching for 12/8

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:35:56 -0000, Gayle <gayle227@...> wrote:

>

>

> Chris...your color analogy sounds perfect to me. Light green,

> medium green, and deep green color...as long as its the same basic

> green color that is shaded lighter or darker.

> Gayle

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > Hi guys...

> > > >

> > > > Only two more weeks left to my hook up day...

> > > >

> > > > Just finished reading Beverly Biderman's most excellent book.

> In

> > > it

> > > > she mentions the first four notes of a classical song, I think,

> > > > Beethoven's 5th Symphony -- G G G E flat. And something was

> > > mentioned

> > > > about " C C D flat C " ?

> > > >

> > > > Could someone please explain these to me -- I know she talked

> about

> > > > bass and treble sounds -- but variations in pitch as in high C,

> > > middle

> > > > C, low C? What is pitch -- I don't think I've been able to hear

> > > > pitches with hearing aids?

> > > >

> > > > Come to think of it, inflections in voices either.

> > > >

> > > > Remember I'm not having my CI activated yet, it would be nice to

> > > have

> > > > these terms explained to me in visual terms so that I have an

> idea

> > > of

> > > > what to expect when I hear these sounds for the " first time. "

> > > >

> > > > Happy thanksgiving one and all!

> > > >

> > > > implanted 10/20, waiting two more weeks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Ohhhhh.....Chris! I'm not totally sure since I've had lifelong

hearing loss too but even hearing people can have something known

as " tone deafness " . They hear most things just fine, but when it

comes to music, they're unable to distinguish between the musical

notes. I probably fall in that category but maybe my CI is " fixing "

that. Will have to wait and see.

Gayle <G>

> > > > > Hi guys...

> > > > >

> > > > > Only two more weeks left to my hook up day...

> > > > >

> > > > > Just finished reading Beverly Biderman's most excellent

book.

> > In

> > > > it

> > > > > she mentions the first four notes of a classical song, I

think,

> > > > > Beethoven's 5th Symphony -- G G G E flat. And something was

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > about " C C D flat C " ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Could someone please explain these to me -- I know she

talked

> > about

> > > > > bass and treble sounds -- but variations in pitch as in

high C,

> > > > middle

> > > > > C, low C? What is pitch -- I don't think I've been able to

hear

> > > > > pitches with hearing aids?

> > > > >

> > > > > Come to think of it, inflections in voices either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Remember I'm not having my CI activated yet, it would be

nice to

> > > > have

> > > > > these terms explained to me in visual terms so that I have

an

> > idea

> > > > of

> > > > > what to expect when I hear these sounds for the " first

time. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Happy thanksgiving one and all!

> > > > >

> > > > > implanted 10/20, waiting two more weeks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

OMG. Now I finally " get it " that some hearing people might be

tone-deaf, ooooooh. I always thought " tone deafness " applied to deaf

people and NEVER applied to hearing people.

A light bulb just clicked on.

Chris

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:16:15 -0000, Gayle <gayle227@...> wrote:

>

>

> Ohhhhh.....Chris! I'm not totally sure since I've had lifelong

> hearing loss too but even hearing people can have something known

> as " tone deafness " . They hear most things just fine, but when it

> comes to music, they're unable to distinguish between the musical

> notes. I probably fall in that category but maybe my CI is " fixing "

> that. Will have to wait and see.

> Gayle <G>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > Hi guys...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Only two more weeks left to my hook up day...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just finished reading Beverly Biderman's most excellent

> book.

> > > In

> > > > > it

> > > > > > she mentions the first four notes of a classical song, I

> think,

> > > > > > Beethoven's 5th Symphony -- G G G E flat. And something was

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > about " C C D flat C " ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could someone please explain these to me -- I know she

> talked

> > > about

> > > > > > bass and treble sounds -- but variations in pitch as in

> high C,

> > > > > middle

> > > > > > C, low C? What is pitch -- I don't think I've been able to

> hear

> > > > > > pitches with hearing aids?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Come to think of it, inflections in voices either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Remember I'm not having my CI activated yet, it would be

> nice to

> > > > > have

> > > > > > these terms explained to me in visual terms so that I have

> an

> > > idea

> > > > > of

> > > > > > what to expect when I hear these sounds for the " first

> time. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Happy thanksgiving one and all!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > implanted 10/20, waiting two more weeks

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

And while we are on the subject -- would the CI be able to " cure " tone

deafness? Would one be able to hear the differences WITHIN the tone,

as well as hearing the differences between notes?

Chris

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:20:09 -0500, Lehfeldt

<christopherlehfeldt@...> wrote:

> OMG. Now I finally " get it " that some hearing people might be

> tone-deaf, ooooooh. I always thought " tone deafness " applied to deaf

> people and NEVER applied to hearing people.

>

> A light bulb just clicked on.

>

>

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:16:15 -0000, Gayle <gayle227@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Ohhhhh.....Chris! I'm not totally sure since I've had lifelong

> > hearing loss too but even hearing people can have something known

> > as " tone deafness " . They hear most things just fine, but when it

> > comes to music, they're unable to distinguish between the musical

> > notes. I probably fall in that category but maybe my CI is " fixing "

> > that. Will have to wait and see.

> > Gayle <G>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > > > Hi guys...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Only two more weeks left to my hook up day...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just finished reading Beverly Biderman's most excellent

> > book.

> > > > In

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > she mentions the first four notes of a classical song, I

> > think,

> > > > > > > Beethoven's 5th Symphony -- G G G E flat. And something was

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > about " C C D flat C " ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Could someone please explain these to me -- I know she

> > talked

> > > > about

> > > > > > > bass and treble sounds -- but variations in pitch as in

> > high C,

> > > > > > middle

> > > > > > > C, low C? What is pitch -- I don't think I've been able to

> > hear

> > > > > > > pitches with hearing aids?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Come to think of it, inflections in voices either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Remember I'm not having my CI activated yet, it would be

> > nice to

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > these terms explained to me in visual terms so that I have

> > an

> > > > idea

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > what to expect when I hear these sounds for the " first

> > time. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Happy thanksgiving one and all!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > implanted 10/20, waiting two more weeks

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Chris-

I am prelingually profound deaf since birth too but it is due to the

genetic because my birth mother is deaf. I was diagnoised with

hearing loss when I was about 18 months old and was immediately

fitted with hearing and shipped off to a school that are trained to

teach the deaf children how to talk. Then I learned cued speech in

my young ages. I also learned how to use sign language later when i

was teenager. I am almost 20 years old. I have both implants in both

ears and love it! It will be a exciting experience for you and your

parent! It was for me and my parent because I can finally understand

them clearly without using any aid of cued speech. But we still use

cued speech.... old habits are hard to break. *wink* The second

implant hook up was the best day because that is the day I felt more

completed. Dentist? I usually tune out my dentist because I really

don't want to hear " you need to get filling done! " LOL!

Jarom

> >

> >

> > I am sure you will tell the difference the pitches after you get

> > your implant activated and I am excited for you. How old are you?

> > What is your history with your hearing impairment?

> >

> > Jarom

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

So being able to recognise musical tones takes training. Wouldn't it

be simple for the audiologist to activate different channels for

differences in C notes, G notes, etc.? So that we CI users don't have

to learn, but just to recognize and " interpret " these differences?

Chris

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:33:55 EST, ci92000@... <ci92000@...> wrote:

>

> No, people will not recognize which musical note is which. But they will

> recognize that they are different notes. Being able to identify musical notes

> take training.

>

>

> In a message dated 11/26/2004 4:43:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>

>

> Lehfeldt@... writes:

>

> So then it is true that everyone (who can hear, that is) instantly

> recognizes that a note is C, or G, or an E right away, just as we deaf

> or hard of hearing people can perceive a color as being green, blue or

> black, etc.?

>

>

[Guest guest]

What was saying is that it takes time and practice (or

training), to recognize musical notes. This is true even for people

with perfect hearing. If you play a musical instrument, every time

you hit the C note, your brain will eventually memorize the sound of

a C. It's like when you look at a x-ray of a tooth, we would both

see the same thing, but as a dentist, you may see a cavity. Even

know we are looking at the same image, your trained on what to look

for. The average person can listen and enjoy music, a musician can

identify the notes in the song.

I had good hearing and I enjoyed playing music. I will be curious

how music sounds when I get my CI.

Doug

Surgery 12/13

> >

> > No, people will not recognize which musical note is which. But

they will

> > recognize that they are different notes. Being able to identify

musical notes

> > take training.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 11/26/2004 4:43:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> >

> >

> > Lehfeldt@g... writes:

> >

> > So then it is true that everyone (who can hear, that is)

instantly

> > recognizes that a note is C, or G, or an E right away, just as

we deaf

> > or hard of hearing people can perceive a color as being green,

blue or

> > black, etc.?

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Doug,

What a fascinating thread this has been for me. I've learned a lot

about tone deafness, and the fact that one needs to have training in

order to hear and distinguish subtle differences in notes. I thought

all hearing people heard all the notes, could make how High, Middle,

Low C, etc. in music. What an interesting world we all live in.

implanted 10/20, with 8 days left

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:21:14 -0000, djkschneider

<douglas7565@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> What was saying is that it takes time and practice (or

> training), to recognize musical notes. This is true even for people

> with perfect hearing. If you play a musical instrument, every time

> you hit the C note, your brain will eventually memorize the sound of

> a C. It's like when you look at a x-ray of a tooth, we would both

> see the same thing, but as a dentist, you may see a cavity. Even

> know we are looking at the same image, your trained on what to look

> for. The average person can listen and enjoy music, a musician can

> identify the notes in the song.

>

> I had good hearing and I enjoyed playing music. I will be curious

> how music sounds when I get my CI.

>

> Doug

> Surgery 12/13

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > No, people will not recognize which musical note is which. But

> they will

> > > recognize that they are different notes. Being able to identify

> musical notes

> > > take training.

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 11/26/2004 4:43:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > >

> > >

> > > Lehfeldt@g... writes:

> > >

> > > So then it is true that everyone (who can hear, that is)

> instantly

> > > recognizes that a note is C, or G, or an E right away, just as

> we deaf

> > > or hard of hearing people can perceive a color as being green,

> blue or

> > > black, etc.?

> > >

> > >