[Tap 'n B Free] Re: Who wants to try? - Proxy EFT for the world

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

While we are on the subject of tapping for others, I would humbly ask that

anyone reading this tap for my 37 year old son, Deron, who had a heart

attack yesterday. His condition is good but, obviously I am concerned and

am " rallying the forces " to help him heal.

Many thanks for your loving kindness

in love and light

" The beaten path is the safest, but the traffic's terrible. "

- Jeff

> From: " Bonnen " <jbonnen@...>

There are many people in pain

> of one sort or another and we can tap for them just as we pray for

> them to have peace, a better life, etc. Everything gets funneled

> through the Big Guy anyway. I don't believe I or any other human is

> powerful enough to override God's plan for someone. It is my job to

> offer the prayer, the white light, the EFT, and to let go of the

> outcome.

>

> I encourage everyone to tap for anyone they see in pain

[Guest guest]

Hi Ben

I'll take your last sentence first.

Ben wrote: " That is it for me... I've more than voiced my opinion. "

What the heck am I supposed to do with " that " Ben - lol!! Not write

back? Not respond? If that's it for you then anything I say will be

ignored and not responded to? pfpfpfpt

Now, the only other thing(s) I'm going to say is this:

You are talking apples and oranges. Your experiment has nothing to

do with doing Proxy EFT on an unsuspecting bloke who doesn't know you

are doing it. You are " telling " the person to resist. Of course

having " 5 " people on one who is " resisting " will work. If you

understood what resisting was in the first place, you wouldn't even

need the experiment. Plus, " telling " a person to resist is not the

same as the person's own natural volition to resist to something.

This almost feels like a " staged " hypnosis act in Las Vegas.

And yes, there " are " other methods in this world that work through a

distance and quickly too. I'm not going to label it tho because its

such a different subject and will only trigger some people. I wish I

was as good at doing that as some people I've found. The person I

used as an example could do this within seconds and I've had him heal

me within just minutes from going totally unconscious from getting a

good hard hit in the head (literally).

As far as taking on another person's viewpoint, using EFT, please

show me where mentions taking on another person's viewpoint to

the point of " becoming " that person, thereby meddling in their life

and changing to where they don't want to go.

I don't think that Craig actually did that in the beginning of

his experiment. I recall him just tapping on the other guy as if

" he " himself had the ailment (which was a nervous knee I believe).

He didn't just " jump " in and " become " the other guy. He was still

being himself but with the idea of having whatever the other person

had or was doing. Maybe he said that later on a different tape or CD

as I had the early tapes.

But - hey - I could be wrong about that (which has happened once or

twice . Show me in writing where you got the ideas you've gotten

about Proxy EFT. I haven't seen it so far, but then I could have

missed something.

A person can become another person's " viewpoint " at any time. You

can do this with any type of healing method if you choose, or not.

All one has to do is be totally willing to confront and then become.

But it takes practice for some and some do it naturally.

As far as a " global " thing goes, then its harmless according to you,

which was the original idea of the person who had talked about it.

The reason is because it doesn't actually " become " each individual,

therefore not crossing the line. So, I see that you actually agree

with that person on that particular subject.

Also, as far as " meddling " goes - if you knew your brother-in-law was

beating your sister - what would you do (this is obviously an example

since I don't know if you have a sister)? Maybe it just doesn't

mean anything to you until it hits your front door, as so many of us

are like that (myself included). And what if they both told you to

mind your own business - then what?

Do a Proxy EFT WITHOUT telling someone on a one-on-one basis and then

come and tell me what happens. I'm not interested in the other

experiment as it doesn't apply to this one. Apples and oranges.

And one last thing. Having the idea or opinion that EFT cannot be

stopped, in my opinion, is only leading others to a possible high

ideal with the possibility of a loss at the end. And that to me is

the worst meddling of all. Leading people on. Because this idea

also tends to have the possible idea that if EFT cannot be stopped

then it must work 100% and even won't say that. One could say

that for any treatment then. I wouldn't exactly put that on a

business card or make it a " campaign " saying. It puts a slight

" fanatic " air to it, but that's just my opinion.

As far as auras go - these come in all sizes and color and with all

types of considerations. I'd be careful about generalizing and then

" bronzing " your findings as a solid statement which looks like an

axiom rather than an opinion. If the " borders " of an aura were so

programmed to deflect then we wouldn't be able to get " inside " .

Can't have it both ways you know.

And here's a terrible saying

What a person complains or objects the most about - is what they have

done or are doing themselves.

It gets really tough when I find out I have to admit to the above -

lol!

Warmly,

Lyn

--- ikvoel <ikvoel@...> wrote:

> >

> > Even tho " so and so " beats his wife every time he gets drunk, I

> > deeply and completely love and accept myself and all other beings

> as

> > the light beings they truly are and that God (or whoever you wish

> to

> > be the more able) grant love and understanding to this person for

> a

> > higher vibration and a change for the better.

> >

>

>

> That is not EFT, that is mumbo jumbo. what reminder phrase are you

> really using? What do you tap on? that somebody beat his wife?

> if so, you are meddling personally. Well intentioned, but still

> meddling.

>

>

>

>

> Whoa, what a plea. Are you actually pleading that you have the

> right

> to interfere with any lifeform that is less sentient or conscious

> than

> you because you are more conscious or sentient? In more than 90

> percent of all very conscious scientific human interventions

> involving lower life forms, we screwed up horrendously. In all

> uncounscious interventions we screwed up.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hoewever, here are some observations and arguments:

> > >

> > > - I teach EFT, and in my advanced course, I ask 5 people to use

> > > proxy

> > > EFT on a 6th consenting person present with an issue or

> complaint,

> > > while I ask the 6th person to attempt to resist EFT with all

> they

> > > have. Well, EFT always works in spite of any attempt to resist

> or

> > > block its effects.

>

>

>

>

> No it does not. You envision you being the other person, (then TAP)

>

> and this is a connection to the other persons energy system which

> puts you directly INSIDE their energy system. EFT cannot be

> stopped.

>

>> >

> >

> > However, anything inside the aura cannot be deflected by

> > > the aura.

> >

> > Its not done by the aura anyway. Its done by the " being " giving

> a

> > command to the body and learning how to flow the unwanted

> energies

> > out.

> >

>

>

>

> I beg to differ. There are healthy decisions made, some consciously

>

> (regarding emotional wellbeing), which perpetuate and form a filter

>

> to keep out influences based on those decisions. The decisions are

> usually forgotten. The natural " empath " you mention has a reason

> they

> let in those energies. reasons include (but are not limited to)

> saviour personality, not wanting anything in the way of a good

> connection, and very imporant, having their sense of

> responsibilties

> set incorrecty in my experience. An easy correction is to

> consciously

> change the sense of responsibility, this issue dissapears as soon

> as

> this sense of responsibility shifts.

>

>

>

>

> > So if you give Reiki inside the aura, you may actually

> > > make

> > > somebody of a higher energy vibration sick (and I've heard of

> > > several

> > > such experiences).

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> >

> > Who's to decide what is good for others, Charlie?

>

> Each and every one of us, . I think this is where the factor of

> intelligence and awareness comes into play. One is born into a

> particular culture and you'd hope that they'd have the brains to get

> a grasp of what is acceptable and what isn't.

Hi Lynn, I'm thinking of Galileo right now. Sometimes you have to

think beyond what the brains around you are thinking. When you do,

you often times get into trouble. Of course Mr. Galili was forgiven

his heresy, and rehabilitated by the church, most recently in fact,

it took what, 600 years is it?

>

> If people are going to help others, then hopefully they'll have the

> training or skill to help in a positive way that will benefit

another

> and themself as well, no matter what it is.

I guess I was interested in what exactly benefitting was anyway? I

mean what benefits one may get may not be benefiting another. Slavery

perhaps is an example.

>

> Example - Please don't put the piano in a humid place where the

> moisture will warp the backboard so much, or else I'll be out here

> every year, etc. How do you know that advice will be " good " for

> another? Yea, of course, its common sense to you - but is it to the

> other person? Can you actually show and teach that person enough to

> where they agree with you? Is it for their own good in the long

run?

well sometimes of course there are consequences. But my point is

there are no absolutes. I don't think there are any " TRUTHS " And

sometimes agreements lead to the camel solution. ((That was an

agreement of a church committee, if I ever saw one.)) But it does

hold water in the desert.

> If that person finally agrees and puts the piano in a dryer

place

> and then finds out you were right, then what you have is that your

> advice and help " worked " !! That's the bottom line - it works and

> that's how you decided that what you said was good for another.

>

>

> People are more or less wired up differently. We all have some

> fairly common denominators, but there are going to be some methods

> that agree with some and not with others. Its just like in school.

> Some people don't like that particular teaching method and many do.

> Formal education isn't for everyone.

Yes I think that in fact I like the one's who have both at the same

time. The schooling and the real world knocks. It tempers the person

to deal with nonformal kind of education.

I get squeemish with the " in love point of view " .

> > Sorry...Also the highest good of all concerned means ?

>

> The use of certain words can sometimes be big triggers. But what

> I've found more than anything, when putting out healings or giving

> sessions is two things. One must be " interested " in the person in

> front of them, enough to intend that that person get what they (the

> client) really wants and change in the way they feel is better for

> them.

And here is the discussion we've been having. That the person gets

what they really want and change in the way they feel is better for

them. Not what we think is better for them.

your own experiences and triggers and the only

> thing that is there is that you understand your method well enough

to

> where you know what to do without all your own stuff in the way.

The argument is about can you really be objective and is there such a

thing. I don't think so.

If one has " genuinely " kept their own garbage out of the

> way, the other person will not feel any type of a heavy

dense " cloud "

> feeling.

I have wondered if this is really possible. I think meridian

techniques though, are the best of a lot, and other therapies aren't

as good at this.

>>>>>>>>>>

You sound like a good therapist Lyn.

> I've made some pretty strange choices in my life and " knew " I had

> been influenced by someone in the " silent world " but chose to go off

> in that direction anyway. When I looked to see why I would have

gone

> off in the direction I went, well, I definitely had some reasons

> sitting there. I've learned some fairly strange lessons in some

> fairly strange ways (at least I consider them strange). Had I not

> had certain prior problems sitting there, I'd never had gone off

into

> the directions I did.

>

I am sitting here wondering if any extra-terrestials have influenced

me in my decisions. Yeah, definitely. Mom, Dad, brother, sister,

relatives, I could very well think of them all as from the " other "

world.....smiles, Sometimes it's fun to be a stranger in a strange

land, sometimes it's not. ....

[Guest guest]

Hi Ben,

Amen to you Ben and thanks for your opinion.

Ron Daack

RDaack@...

[Guest guest]

Hi

--- paulikemp <paulikemp@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Who's to decide what is good for others, Charlie?

> >

> > Each and every one of us, . I think this is where the factor

> of

> > intelligence and awareness comes into play. One is born into a

> > particular culture and you'd hope that they'd have the brains to

> get

> > a grasp of what is acceptable and what isn't.

>

> Hi Lynn, I'm thinking of Galileo right now. Sometimes you have to

> think beyond what the brains around you are thinking. When you do,

> you often times get into trouble. Of course Mr. Galili was forgiven

>

> his heresy, and rehabilitated by the church, most recently in fact,

>

> it took what, 600 years is it?

Not too good in the area of " marketing " was he? lol!! So much for

surveys and finding out what the " public " opinion could deal with

Ever notice that when things like religion and politics get accepted

its because slowly but surely there have been stories (maybe lies)

and introducings to whatever was being " sold " ? There's a technique

to getting something accepted and so-called geniuses of inventions,

etc., didn't have those techniques as it wasn't their expertise.

>

>

> >

> > If people are going to help others, then hopefully they'll have

> the

> > training or skill to help in a positive way that will benefit

> another

> > and themself as well, no matter what it is.

>

> I guess I was interested in what exactly benefitting was anyway? I

> mean what benefits one may get may not be benefiting another.

> Slavery

> perhaps is an example.

A person generally " knows " what will benefit self and others at the

same time unless they are so steeped into the depths of darkness they

become literally stupid. However, again, its a matter of becoming

aware of what the " public " will hold as far as how much change they

are willing to take on all at once. I can't imagine someone thinking

that slavery will benefit the slave, unless they are playing a light

game and its over shortly and then they take turns doing this.

Although through the lifetimes its said we all take our turns anyway

even on a much more serious and painful basis.

>

> >

> > Example - Please don't put the piano in a humid place where the

> > moisture will warp the backboard so much, or else I'll be out

>

> And here is the discussion we've been having. That the person gets

> what they really want and change in the way they feel is better for

>

> them. Not what we think is better for them.

>

> your own experiences and triggers and the only

> > thing that is there is that you understand your method well

> enough

> to

> > where you know what to do without all your own stuff in the way.

>

> The argument is about can you really be objective and is there such

> a

> thing. I don't think so.

Really? You were never objective as a teacher? Sure you keep your

attention on what you are teaching, but basically, do you have

judgements on the people you are teaching all the time? Do you place

each person in the same category as to how they should learn and

don't allow for any differences? You never stood back and looked at

the group you were teaching objectively?

Of course I've given sessions objectively. If I had put my own stuff

in there the session would have been a disaster. I don't know how

many times that would have happened.

>

> If one has " genuinely " kept their own garbage out of the

> > way, the other person will not feel any type of a heavy

> dense " cloud "

> > feeling.

>

> I have wondered if this is really possible. I think meridian

> techniques though, are the best of a lot, and other therapies

> aren't

> as good at this.

Yes, its possible. Just need to be trained in it. There are

techniques I learned from Scientology actually, which helped to do

this. If they were done accurately the results were wonderful and

you could give a session to just about anyone without your own stuff

getting in the way. Very powerful. And some of it was developed

from the idea of meditations.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> You sound like a good therapist Lyn.

Thanks! But I'm not a " therapist " per se, although I think I know

what you mean .

))

Lyn

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