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Hi Jan,

I take T3 (tertroxin). Like you thyroid was within

normal. I had symptoms of low thyroid and my mother

has hypoparathyroidism, which led me to think it was

worth trying. AS for the progesterone cream. I use

this for PMS and it is really good. Symptoms

suggested low progesterone - no tests done. I read

the book called " what your dr won't tell you about

menopause, " which was very informative about hormones,

HRT and progesterone cream. It took about two weeks

for me to feel the benefit of the T3. Good luck with

it.

Regards,

Jan in Oz :)

--- banitnit <skyqtee@...> wrote:

>

>

> This maybe for the Ladies but if any of the men on

> this board

> has any info please reply.

>

> Is anyone on thyroid meds natural or synthetic and

> is

> anyone using progesterone cream? My TSH was one

> point above

> the range and my T3 was a little low but still

> within the range.

> My estrogen was a little high and progesterone low.

> I'd like to

> hear from anyone who sort of has tis profile.

> Thanks

> -Jan

>

>

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Dear Dianne,

I am fused to S1 (from T6) since 94 and had revision surgery w/Dr. LaGrone,

Amarillo in 99. My CD rods were removed during revision. I recovered

relatively quickly I think because I had a great physical therapy program and I

was

in good physical and mental shape - and I was much more informed than in 94.

Five years later, I have had residual muscle and nerve pain and take

neurotin and oxycontin. I have botox shots every 3 months for deep muscle pain

and

I wear lidocaine patches which I find to be the most helpful for daytime

maintenance. I've kept the oxycontin at 10 mg twice a day; just enough keep the

pain level at 2-3. I don't want to sleep through my days. I want to stay

active and involved in life. As w/most others, I don't bend, twist or lift. I

was

told that the only reason I could bend after my fusion in 94 was because of

the fracture between L4 and L5.

Exercise, particularly walking, is essential. If I stop walking and get lazy

about exercising, my back hurts. It's that simple. I have to keep moving. I

am now walking on a treadmill 30 minutes a day and doing light weights three

times a week to strengthen my back and stomach muscles. I'm spending the extra

$ on a personal trainer to make sure I'm doing the exercise machines

properly and that I don't re-injure my back in some way. I'm not at all sure

that I

didn't inadvertently cause the problem that led to the revision in 99 while

exercising.

I think every person's perception and experience of pain after revision

surgery is individual. What bothers one person may not bother another at all.

Some people seem to have very little pain after surgery, and some of us have

quite a bit. I don't regret having the surgery. I don't think my other option

was a good one - to have my spine continue to bend? No, I decided I would have

the bending stopped and corrected. I was going to have pain regardless of the

choice or decision I made. And I had an good surgeon with an excellent

reputation. This was just my situation and my decision. Each of us has to weigh

the pros and cons based on my individual circumstances.

This is really an exciting time for you - your back is like new! You will

probably be able to do things you haven't been able to do in years so I hope you

will let yourself enjoy the good things that are coming out of having had

this surgery. I hope you will feel stronger every day and find the techniques

that work for you to continue your recovery - for example, exercise,

medicines, massage, hot tub, etc. ...take good care, Jennie

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Dianne,

For both of my surgeries, I was told that I could live pretty

much a normal life at 6 months and my fusion would be (mostly) solid

at 1 year. There is some fusion continuing after that, but for all

practical purposes, 1 year is the mark. My second fusion was A/P

and was the one that I had PT for. I had the same " walking " advice

as you have. The anterior part gave me more trouble in the first

few months than I thought, but I don't think about it anymore.

Right now, I'm approaching 3 years after being fused to S1. My

biggest concern is my muscles. I'm supposed to do my exercises for

the rest of my life but I get lazy and don't do them like I should

(right now, for instance). I usually get achey (sp?) and

occasionally it just plain hurts. Starting the exercises gets me

back to where it doesn't hurt at all until I get lazy again. I am

on Darvocet (just about the strongest stuff that my doctors want me

to have) perhaps once a day, 2-3 days a week.

Does this help?

> ...

> I'm just over four months post

> revision and will be seeing the doc in a couple of weeks and was

> wondering what lies ahead. I would love to hear from anyone that's

> had revision and what it was like for them at this stage of the

game

> and further on. Anyone, not just Rand patients. So far I've been

> told by the doc to keep activity to a minimum and walk as often as

I

> can. No bending, twisting, stretching or lifting anything over 8

> pounds. I wear the fusion stimulator four hours per day and was

told

> that I'm to continue this for another four months. When are we

told

> we're actually healed?

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Dear Dianne,

I am almost two years post- op fused T-2 to the sacrum. I was told it takes six

months to recover from the surgery and a year for the fusions to be solid.

Sounds like your doc has told you pretty much how things should be while you

recover. I was braced for six months. I resumed pretty much everything, except

that I can't bend or twist. Some people in the group can bend but I can't, I

think this is because how high and low I'm fused and all the hardware I have. I

felt better at six months post-op than I had since I was a teenager. I have

never regreted the surgery, I feel as though I got my life back. I'm pain free,

and can walk where ever I want, and the thing that surprised me most is how much

better I look. Plus being two and a half inches taller is cool. If you have any

detailed questions that I could answer just let me know, and good luck with your

recovery!

Colorado Springs

Anyone?

Hi All,

I'm a little disappointed at the lack of responses I've rec'd from

my last posting, " What's Next? " . I'm just over four months post

revision and will be seeing the doc in a couple of weeks and was

wondering what lies ahead. I would love to hear from anyone that's

had revision and what it was like for them at this stage of the game

and further on. Anyone, not just Rand patients. So far I've been

told by the doc to keep activity to a minimum and walk as often as I

can. No bending, twisting, stretching or lifting anything over 8

pounds. I wear the fusion stimulator four hours per day and was told

that I'm to continue this for another four months. When are we told

we're actually healed? My original scolio surgery was followed by

eight months in a body cast, so I've just have been assuming that's

how long it will take for this fusion to really set up. Generally

speaking of course, I know we all heal differently, especially now

that we're all a little older, ahem.

Happy Thanksgiving all!

Dianne in RI

Support for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod Malalignment

Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not control ads or endorse any

advertised products.

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Hi ,

Yes, your response helps alot, thanks so much. I feel like I'm

approaching a gray area ahead and hearing others' experiences is

very interesting and enlightening.

I know that people have posted their post-revision experiences

before, but you know how it is; you tend to pay more attention to

what deals with and relates to what you're going through at the

time (with exceptions, of course). Maybe this is why I don't seem to

remember many posts that talk a whole lot about several months or

years after surgery. I start to wonder if this is

because when revision is successful people move on and away from

this board, when it's not they may not want to paint a grim future

for already frantic sufferers debating and

redebating the " to go under the knife or hang on as is " question.

For example, I'd love to know why has

had so many revisions, what happened there? I've never seen her

surgery history in detail as far as the re-revisions, though I've

only been reading this board for a year. I hope this isn't construed

as a complaint, again, I'm merely curious and want to know what can

happen both positive and negative. (I did try to query 's

surgeries, but boards are a quagmire!)

Anyway , thanks again for your post. A few questions though;

were you able to return to work full time? Did you have to make

adjustments to do so? What kind of exercises

were you referring to, could you give me some examples?

Oh, and by the way, I completely relate to falling off the

exercise wagon, I really have to push myself to walk and sometimes

backslide for weeks at a time!

All my best, Dianne

>

> Dianne,

>

> For both of my surgeries, I was told that I could live pretty

> much a normal life at 6 months and my fusion would be (mostly)

solid

> at 1 year. There is some fusion continuing after that, but for

all

> practical purposes, 1 year is the mark. My second fusion was A/P

> and was the one that I had PT for. I had the same " walking "

advice

> as you have. The anterior part gave me more trouble in the first

> few months than I thought, but I don't think about it anymore.

>

> Right now, I'm approaching 3 years after being fused to S1. My

> biggest concern is my muscles. I'm supposed to do my exercises

for

> the rest of my life but I get lazy and don't do them like I should

> (right now, for instance). I usually get achey (sp?) and

> occasionally it just plain hurts. Starting the exercises gets me

> back to where it doesn't hurt at all until I get lazy again. I am

> on Darvocet (just about the strongest stuff that my doctors want

me

> to have) perhaps once a day, 2-3 days a week.

>

> Does this help?

>

>

>

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Hi ,

Wow, what a postive outcome, I'm so happy for you! It's what I'm

anticipating for myself and knowing how well you're doing really

makes me feel that much easier in my mind. I was getting discouraged

with the fact that some people seem to go off pain meds pretty

quickly whereas I still need them more than I'd like, but it seems

I'm just getting ahead of myself. Are you able to work full time?

Can you sit for extended periods on a full time basis?

All my best, Dianne

> Dear Dianne,

>

> I am almost two years post- op fused T-2 to the sacrum. I was told

it takes six months to recover from the surgery and a year for the

fusions to be solid. Sounds like your doc has told you pretty much

how things should be while you recover. I was braced for six months.

I resumed pretty much everything, except that I can't bend or

twist. Some people in the group can bend but I can't, I think this

is because how high and low I'm fused and all the hardware I have. I

felt better at six months post-op than I had since I was a teenager.

I have never regreted the surgery, I feel as though I got my life

back. I'm pain free, and can walk where ever I want, and the thing

that surprised me most is how much better I look. Plus being two and

a half inches taller is cool. If you have any detailed questions

that I could answer just let me know, and good luck with your

recovery!

>

>

> Colorado Springs

> >

>

>

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At 03:46 AM 11/27/2004 +0000, you wrote:

> Right now, I'm approaching 3 years after being fused to S1. My

>biggest concern is my muscles. I'm supposed to do my exercises for

>the rest of my life but I get lazy and don't do them like I should

>(right now, for instance).

Are you talking about exercises the PT gave you?

I wasn't given any exercises after my follow-up appt.

I had PT between surgeries with UC Med Center, but no PT ordered after

surgery at Kaiser, so I 'm beginning to think all the doctors say different

things.

in Oakland

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Dianne,

I'm not a good one to base immediate post- revision recovery on since I seem

to be the only one of the Feisties that was on total bedrest for the first 3 1/2

months after my surgery. I can tell you that even now (4 1/2 years

post-revision) I continue to do " exercises " to re-condition muscles that were

traumatized from surgery...but the " exercise " I do is hardly what would be

called physical therapy in the true medical sense of the term. My exercise

routine includes walking our dog, carrying laundry up and down stairs, carrying

groceries to the house from the car, running the vacuum sweeper through our

split-foyer, 4 bedroom home..catch my drift here??!!

I was very cautious during my first year of recovery because we weren't sure

that all of my hardware was going to stay-put; so we gave the fusion mass (T10

to sacrum) time to solidify. My surgeon told me that after a year the integrity

of the bone mass should be solid enough to hold the hardware in place. I still

have one screw that gives me fits, mostly because it's so close to the surface

of the skin. But other than that, I'm still of the school of thought that a

fusion mass is considered solid after one year. My guess is that your surgeon

will step up your therapy, be it conventional P.T. with a therapist or he'll

give you some strengthening exercises you can do at home.

Be kind to yourself though, Dianne!! Don't push it...especially now at

holiday time. We all tend to put too much pressure on ourselves this time of

year and anyone who is less than one year post-revision should TAKE CARE NOT TO

DO TOO MUCH!! As hard as it might be to put the brakes on, you'll be glad that

you did. Someone else said this but it's worth repeating...WE ARE NOT AS YOUNG

AS WE WERE WHEN WE HAD OUR ORIGINAL SCOLIOSIS FUSIONS!! And believe me when I

tell you...if you over-do it you'll regret it!! These revision procedures we put

ourselves (and our families!) through are pretty rough and the recovery takes

some time. Even at 4 yrs post-revision, I can tell when I've done too much...my

throbbing legs are my first clue! And from there the pain just works it way up

until I have no choice but to lie down for a while. Just yesterday I went to our

mall for a few hours and by the time I got home it was all could do to get

myself out of the car, pop a couple OxyIR's and get into my vibrating Lazy-Boy

with my heating pad!!

Enjoy this holiday season...just don't over-do it! And keep the heating pad

handy!

All the best,

Beth

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>

>

> Dianne,

>

> For both of my surgeries, I was told that I could live pretty

> much a normal life at 6 months and my fusion would be (mostly) solid

> at 1 year. There is some fusion continuing after that, but for all

> practical purposes, 1 year is the mark. My second fusion was A/P

> and was the one that I had PT for. I had the same " walking " advice

> as you have. The anterior part gave me more trouble in the first

> few months than I thought, but I don't think about it anymore.

>

> Right now, I'm approaching 3 years after being fused to S1. My

> biggest concern is my muscles. I'm supposed to do my exercises for

> the rest of my life but I get lazy and don't do them like I should

> (right now, for instance). I usually get achey (sp?) and

> occasionally it just plain hurts. Starting the exercises gets me

> back to where it doesn't hurt at all until I get lazy again. I am

> on Darvocet (just about the strongest stuff that my doctors want me

> to have) perhaps once a day, 2-3 days a week.

>

> Does this help?

>

>

>

>

> > ...

> > I'm just over four months post

> > revision and will be seeing the doc in a couple of weeks and was

> > wondering what lies ahead. I would love to hear from anyone that's

> > had revision and what it was like for them at this stage of the

> game

> > and further on. Anyone, not just Rand patients. So far I've been

> > told by the doc to keep activity to a minimum and walk as often as

> I

> > can. No bending, twisting, stretching or lifting anything over 8

> > pounds. I wear the fusion stimulator four hours per day and was

> told

> > that I'm to continue this for another four months. When are we

> told

> > we're actually healed?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Support for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod Malalignment

> Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not control ads or endorse any

> advertised products.

>

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At 07:43 PM 11/28/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>Like you, I believe that different doctors say different things, but

>also because different surgeries require different types of

>recovery. (I believe that when I still had L4-S1 unfused, I could

>stretch and bend enough that the stuff I *should* be doing daily

>wasn't an issue. I don't want to speak for the docs, though.)

>

>

I, too, couldn't even put on my socks with the hardware/fusions to S1. But

now that the hardware is out, I can. I have a lot more movement. So some

day, if you get the hardware removed, you may still get more mobility.

My doc said it was the hardware, not the fusions, that limited my

mobility. Plus the Yoga helps!

Did a headstand last week, using 2 chairs with arms (head not on floor)!

Amazing!

But I'll still have to have the fusion that didnt fuse fixed--it causes me

such pain!

in Oakland

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Hi Dianne,

I was able to work fulltime after both surgeries. I was out of work

for 3 months (1st fusion) and 7 months (2nd fusion). I am a

programmer, though, which involves a lot of sitting.

Talking about exercises, remember that your doctor and/or PT folks

are the ones to ask for this advice, but I can tell you that I was

given modified stomach crunches (not situps), wall slides, a few

forms of leg lifts, bridging, quad and hamstring stretches, and a

few others. I also do some upper body work with light weights.

Stationary cycling is good and walking is the best. (I am not

advising that others do exercises that I was given. Check with your

doctor/PT for exercises that are for your own situation.)

As a side issue, my wife and I went on the South Beach diet this

past February. I lost about 25 pounds and have regained 7 (business

trip to CA :-). I want to go back to the beginning in order to

lose around 13 pounds. This should take a lot of pressure off my

back and other joints. (I tend to snack when under work pressure.

We'll see if I can get good eating habits.)

Having your spine fused is major surgery, as you well know. Amongst

us, though, there are more complex cases than others. is

one of those. There are others on this site that whose situation is

more complex than the usual fusion, but I'd like to believe that

they are rare in the overall population. Because we are members of

a support group, we see a greater percentage than you might see

elsewhere. You can probably gleen 's history elsewhere in

the site archives. I don't know it offhand. (My own feelings on

this, but if you've had more than spinal procedures, you're in

the " complex " catagory.)

>

> I start to wonder if this is

> because when revision is successful people move on and away from

> this board, when it's not they may not want to paint a grim future

> for already frantic sufferers debating and

> redebating the " to go under the knife or hang on as is " question.

> For example, I'd love to know why has

> had so many revisions, what happened there? I've never seen her

> surgery history in detail as far as the re-revisions, though I've

> only been reading this board for a year. I hope this isn't

construed

> as a complaint, again, I'm merely curious and want to know what

can

> happen both positive and negative. (I did try to query 's

> surgeries, but boards are a quagmire!)

> Anyway , thanks again for your post. A few questions

though;

> were you able to return to work full time? Did you have to make

> adjustments to do so? What kind of exercises

> were you referring to, could you give me some examples?

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Hi Diane

I'm not sure why a fracture, but I was told that a fracture between L4 and

L5 was the reason I needed a revision. The fusion was good at one and two

years so in trying to figure out what happened, I thought it might have had

something to do w/the type of exercise I did which was high impact aerobics,

weight machines and jogging. I don't know if I used the machines properly or

not -

I didn't have any physical therapy or rehab after the first surgery, and the

surgeon said I could do anything I felt like I could do - Dr. LG said pretty

much the same thing, so I think that's pretty standard. Your experience

could be completely different from mine, and I hope you'll ask as many

questions

as possible about what you can and can't do post surgery. And if you don't

get an answer, ask again!

I'm 57 so my original surgery was at 47, so I was older than you are now. I

returned to work within two months part-time, and after 2-3 more weeks,

full-time. After revision surgery, I was retired, so that was a different

experience, but I recouped even faster than from the first surgery. I attribute

that

to being better prepared physically and mentally.

Although my scoliosis was diagnosis was at age 13, it was considered a

" mild " curvature so surgery wasn't mentioned - it was 26 degrees. It worsened

over

the years to 46 degrees at age 47 - that is the # of degrees at which

surgery is recommended (this may have changed now that techniques have become so

much less invasive).

I was on meds after revision surgery during the recovery period - Vicodin

and Skelaxin, and then I dropped the Vicodin and took only Skelaxin and

Celebrex and OTC meds which continued for a few years. Meanwhile, I had retired

early from the state - medical retirement - and in 2000, I went on SSD.

Gradually, the muscles and nerves in my back grew more painful - a condition

that has

been mentioned frequently on the board. I avoided narcotics as long as

possible not because I have any fears of them or anything against using them,

but

because I'm sensitive to drugs and didn't want to take anything that would put

me to sleep and affect my quality of life.

But finally the pain was too much. I didn't feel like getting together

w/friends, walking for exercise, going out w/my husband - doing any of the

things

that made life worthwhile - so I knew something had to be done. I went to a

pain mgmt specialist and ended up my present pain regimen:

oxycontin 10 mg. 2x day

neurontin 2 300 mg 2x day

lidocaine patches .05 %

and now I'm going to a gym and walking a 20 min. mile on the treadmill at

3.1 mph. I'm doing an ex ercise program w/weights - 5 lbs at this point hoping

that this isn't too much for my back. Although I have chronic pain problems I

don't regret having revision surgery. I was going to be in pain regardless.

The muscle/nerve pain is just a problem I have to manage. And I'm happy just

to have it managed on as small amount of meds as possible for as long as

possible.

I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to be able to go back to

work after a reasonable recovery period (what's reasonable for you will depend

on many things, including what your doctor has to say and how you feel) - my

job after my first surgery was a sitting job (most of the time - I was a

trainer/curriculum developer) so my employer bought me a very nice chair. It's

important to sit in the chair yourself to select it - after your surgery

because your back may change between now and then so what feels good now may

change. Don't be afraid to ask for what you need because it's to your

employer's

benefit to help you be and stay on the job - and yours, too.

Well, I talk too much, but if I helped at all, then it's worth it. Take good

care, and I'm glad so many people responded. If you have any more questions,

please let me know. Jennie

Hi Jennie,

Thanks so much for your post and info, I really appreciate it. I

have so many questions, though! First, I'm really taken aback that

you had revision so soon after your original surgery, what happened a

there? Was the fracture the reason you had to have revision, is that

what you were referring to when you mentioned using the exercise

machines properly? Also, I hope you don't mind me asking, but how

old are you? I ask because of the date of your original

surgery and if you had the initial surgery as an older person (I'm

44,

had original at 17), or if you're a young'un that needed revision

for reasons other than the long term effects of harrington rod type

extension rods. Not that it matters as far as how you're doing post

revision,

just interested. Also, just a clarification here, were you painfree

after your revision UNTIL five years later and then you had to go

back on pain meds? Are you able to work full time and if so, do you

require any special considerations or conditions? I've been asking

this question often because I'm worried about endurance levels; if

I'll be able to carry off a full-time job and if others are able to.

I do office type work that requires alot of sitting. Before my back

became unbearable I had to get up and walk regularly, and even then

more than four hours was pushing it pain and stiffness wise.

I'm so glad to hear you're happy with your decsion and doing

well.

All my best, Dianne

> Dear Dianne,

>

> I am fused to S1 (from T6) since 94 and had revision surgery

w/Dr. LaGrone,

> Amarillo in 99. My CD rods were removed during revision. I

recovered

> relatively quickly I think because I had a great physical therapy

program and I was

> in good physical and mental shape - and I was much more informed

than in 94.

>

> Five years later, I have had residual muscle and nerve pain and

take

> neurotin and oxycontin. I have botox shots every 3 months for

deep muscle pain and

> I wear lidocaine patches which I find to be the most helpful for

daytime

> maintenance. I've kept the oxycontin at 10 mg twice a day; just

enough keep the

> pain level at 2-3. I don't want to sleep through my days. I want

to stay

> active and involved in life. As w/most others, I don't bend,

twist or lift. I was

> told that the only reason I could bend after my fusion in 94 was

because of

> the fracture between L4 and L5.

>

> Exercise, particularly walking, is essential. If I stop walking

and get lazy

> about exercising, my back hurts. It's that simple. I have to keep

moving. I

> am now walking on a treadmill 30 minutes a day and doing light

weights three

> times a week to strengthen my back and stomach muscles. I'm

spending the extra

> $ on a personal trainer to make sure I'm doing the exercise

machines

> properly and that I don't re-injure my back in some way. I'm not

at all sure that I

> didn't inadvertently cause the problem that led to the revision in

99 while

> exercising.

>

> I think every person's perception and experience of pain after

revision

> surgery is individual. What bothers one person may not bother

another at all.

> Some people seem to have very little pain after surgery, and some

of us have

> quite a bit. I don't regret having the surgery. I don't think my

other option

> was a good one - to have my spine continue to bend? No, I decided

I would have

> the bending stopped and corrected. I was going to have pain

regardless of the

> choice or decision I made. And I had an good surgeon with an

excellent

> reputation. This was just my situation and my decision. Each of us

has to weigh

> the pros and cons based on my individual circumstances.

>

> This is really an exciting time for you - your back is like new!

You will

> probably be able to do things you haven't been able to do in years

so I hope you

> will let yourself enjoy the good things that are coming out of

having had

> this surgery. I hope you will feel stronger every day and find

the techniques

> that work for you to continue your recovery - for example,

exercise,

> medicines, massage, hot tub, etc. ...take good care, Jennie

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Dianne, Jennie, et al --

(A thought while proofing the following post: I must become less

chatty and more succinct. I wonder if both legs are " asleep " at this

point . . . )

I see I am reaching my limit as to how long I can sit -- actually

semi-recline -- with my laptop (one of the heavier models) in my lap.

Am still looking for some kind of rolling " stand " for notebook PCs

which I saw advertised in a Sunday supplement from Office Max.

I would love to reply in detail to all the interesting posts here;

for now, let me just chime in on the " age " discussion and remind

everyone that I was born in 1949. I had two revisions (technically,

one two-part revision) in 2001, and four more (including emergency

repair of a stress fracture at T-10) in 2004. I am in good general

health and found the operations in my 50s easier than my initial

fusion at age 13.

Just one qualifying comment, though: I have (reportedly)had two post-

op deliriums (deliria?), and I am not the only such case I have heard

about. Each occurred when I needed very lengthy surgery which was

performed in two installments separated by about one week -- i.e.,

following the second eight or ten hours of anesthesia. I'm not quite

sure which was worse -- being sick to my stomach in 1961, or out of

my head some forty years later. Of course I have total amnesia for

the delirious times, but it is a little unnerving to hear how loopy

you were from various bystanders.

Antibiotics, like anesthetics, have presumably become more plentiful

and powerful since my youth. Thus, this past year, I also had the fun

of discovering that I am wildly allergic to vancomycin. :-)

> > Dear Dianne,

> >

> > I am fused to S1 (from T6) since 94 and had revision surgery

> w/Dr. LaGrone,

> > Amarillo in 99. My CD rods were removed during revision. I

> recovered

> > relatively quickly I think because I had a great physical

therapy

> program and I was

> > in good physical and mental shape - and I was much more informed

> than in 94.

> >

> > Five years later, I have had residual muscle and nerve pain and

> take

> > neurotin and oxycontin. I have botox shots every 3 months for

> deep muscle pain and

> > I wear lidocaine patches which I find to be the most helpful

for

> daytime

> > maintenance. I've kept the oxycontin at 10 mg twice a day; just

> enough keep the

> > pain level at 2-3. I don't want to sleep through my days. I

want

> to stay

> > active and involved in life. As w/most others, I don't bend,

> twist or lift. I was

> > told that the only reason I could bend after my fusion in 94

was

> because of

> > the fracture between L4 and L5.

> >

> > Exercise, particularly walking, is essential. If I stop walking

> and get lazy

> > about exercising, my back hurts. It's that simple. I have to

keep

> moving. I

> > am now walking on a treadmill 30 minutes a day and doing light

> weights three

> > times a week to strengthen my back and stomach muscles. I'm

> spending the extra

> > $ on a personal trainer to make sure I'm doing the exercise

> machines

> > properly and that I don't re-injure my back in some way. I'm not

> at all sure that I

> > didn't inadvertently cause the problem that led to the revision

in

> 99 while

> > exercising.

> >

> > I think every person's perception and experience of pain after

> revision

> > surgery is individual. What bothers one person may not bother

> another at all.

> > Some people seem to have very little pain after surgery, and

some

> of us have

> > quite a bit. I don't regret having the surgery. I don't think my

> other option

> > was a good one - to have my spine continue to bend? No, I decided

> I would have

> > the bending stopped and corrected. I was going to have pain

> regardless of the

> > choice or decision I made. And I had an good surgeon with an

> excellent

> > reputation. This was just my situation and my decision. Each of

us

> has to weigh

> > the pros and cons based on my individual circumstances.

> >

> > This is really an exciting time for you - your back is like new!

> You will

> > probably be able to do things you haven't been able to do in

years

> so I hope you

> > will let yourself enjoy the good things that are coming out of

> having had

> > this surgery. I hope you will feel stronger every day and find

> the techniques

> > that work for you to continue your recovery - for example,

> exercise,

> > medicines, massage, hot tub, etc. ...take good care, Jennie

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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We've all been there -- after my second surgery, my father tells me that I

greeted Dr. Glazer by calling him a " beady eyed gnome with a butcher knife, "

yet I'm usually very nice and mild -- and I have no recollection of this at

all! I also took a phone call from a parent (I was a teacher, and my students'

parents had no problem calling me at home, or in the hospital) and told her

that if she bothered to parent her child and enforce homework at home we would

have no issues. Oops!

Carolyn

Quoting " Rasche , JD " <poetryperson@...>:

>

> <html><body>

>

>

> <tt>

> <BR>

> Dianne, Jennie, et al --<BR>

> <BR>

> (A thought while proofing the following post: & nbsp; I must become

> less <BR>

> chatty and more succinct. I wonder if both legs are

> & quot;asleep & quot; at this <BR>

> point . . . )<BR>

> <BR>

> I see I am reaching my limit as to how long I can sit -- actually

> <BR>

> semi-recline -- with my laptop (one of the heavier models) in my lap.

> <BR>

> Am still looking for some kind of rolling & quot;stand & quot; for

> notebook PCs <BR>

> which I saw advertised in a Sunday supplement from Office Max. <BR>

> <BR>

> I would love to reply in detail to all the interesting posts here;

> <BR>

> for now, let me just chime in on the & quot;age & quot; discussion and

> remind <BR>

> everyone that I was born in 1949. I had two revisions (technically,

> <BR>

> one two-part revision) in 2001, and four more (including emergency

> <BR>

> repair of a stress fracture at T-10) in 2004. I am in good general

> <BR>

> health and found the operations in my 50s easier than my initial

> <BR>

> fusion at age 13. <BR>

> <BR>

> Just one qualifying comment, though: I have (reportedly)had two

> post-<BR>

> op deliriums (deliria?), and I am not the only such case I have heard

> <BR>

> about. Each occurred when I needed very lengthy surgery which was

> <BR>

> performed in two installments separated by about one week -- i.e.,

> <BR>

> following the second eight or ten hours of anesthesia. I'm not quite

> <BR>

> sure which was worse -- being sick to my stomach in 1961, or out of

> <BR>

> my head some forty years later. Of course I have total amnesia for

> <BR>

> the delirious times, but it is a little unnerving to hear how loopy

> <BR>

> you were from various bystanders.<BR>

> <BR>

> Antibiotics, like anesthetics, have presumably become more plentiful

> <BR>

> and powerful since my youth. Thus, this past year, I also had the fun

> <BR>

> of discovering that I am wildly allergic to vancomycin. :-) <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Dear & nbsp; Dianne,<BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; I am fused to S1 (from T6) since 94 & nbsp; and had & nbsp;

> revision surgery <BR>

> & gt; w/Dr. & nbsp; LaGrone, <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Amarillo in 99. My CD rods & nbsp; were removed during

> revision. I <BR>

> & gt; recovered & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; relatively quickly & nbsp; I think because I had a great

> physical <BR>

> therapy <BR>

> & gt; program and I & nbsp; was & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; in good physical and mental shape - and I was much more

> informed & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; than in & nbsp; 94.<BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Five years later, I have had & nbsp; residual muscle and

> nerve pain and <BR>

> & gt; take & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; neurotin and & nbsp; oxycontin. & nbsp; I have botox shots

> every 3 months for <BR>

> & gt; deep & nbsp; muscle & nbsp; pain and <BR>

> & gt; & gt; I wear lidocaine patches which I find to be the

> most & nbsp; & nbsp; helpful <BR>

> for <BR>

> & gt; daytime <BR>

> & gt; & gt; maintenance. I've kept the oxycontin at 10 & nbsp; mg & nbsp;

> twice a day; just <BR>

> & gt; enough keep the <BR>

> & gt; & gt; pain level at 2-3. I & nbsp; don't want to sleep & nbsp;

> through my days. I <BR>

> want <BR>

> & gt; to stay <BR>

> & gt; & gt; active & nbsp; and involved in life. As w/most & nbsp; others,

> I don't bend, <BR>

> & gt; twist or lift. I & nbsp; was <BR>

> & gt; & gt; told that the only reason I & nbsp; could bend after my

> fusion in 94 & nbsp; <BR>

> was <BR>

> & gt; because of <BR>

> & gt; & gt; the fracture between L4 and & nbsp; L5.<BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Exercise, particularly walking, is essential. If I stop

> walking <BR>

> & gt; and & nbsp; get & nbsp; lazy <BR>

> & gt; & gt; about exercising, my back hurts. It's that simple. I & nbsp;

> have to <BR>

> keep <BR>

> & gt; moving. I & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; am now walking on a treadmill 30 & nbsp; minutes a day and

> doing light <BR>

> & gt; weights three & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; times a week to & nbsp; strengthen my back and stomach

> muscles. I'm <BR>

> & gt; spending the extra & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; $ on a personal trainer to make sure I'm doing the

> exercise & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; machines & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; properly and that I don't re-injure my back in some & nbsp;

> way. I'm not <BR>

> & gt; at all sure & nbsp; that I <BR>

> & gt; & gt; didn't inadvertently cause & nbsp; the problem that led to

> the revision <BR>

> in <BR>

> & gt; 99 & nbsp; while <BR>

> & gt; & gt; exercising. & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; I think every person's perception and experience of

> pain & nbsp; after <BR>

> & gt; revision & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; surgery is individual. What bothers one person & nbsp; may

> not bother <BR>

> & gt; another at & nbsp; all. <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Some people seem to have very & nbsp; little pain after

> surgery, and <BR>

> some <BR>

> & gt; of us & nbsp; have <BR>

> & gt; & gt; quite a bit. I & nbsp; don't regret having the surgery. I

> don't think my <BR>

> & gt; other & nbsp; option & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; was a good one - to have my spine continue to bend? No, I

> decided <BR>

> & gt; I & nbsp; would & nbsp; have <BR>

> & gt; & gt; the bending stopped and corrected. I was going to

> have & nbsp; pain <BR>

> & gt; regardless of & nbsp; the <BR>

> & gt; & gt; choice or decision I made. And I had & nbsp; an good surgeon

> with an <BR>

> & gt; excellent & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; reputation. This was just & nbsp; my situation and my

> decision. Each of <BR>

> us <BR>

> & gt; has to weigh & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; the & nbsp; pros and cons based on my individual

> circumstances. <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; This & nbsp; is really an exciting time for you - your back

> is like new! <BR>

> & gt; You will & nbsp; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; probably be able to do things you haven't been able to do

> in <BR>

> years & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; so I hope you <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; will let yourself enjoy the good things that & nbsp;

> are coming out of <BR>

> & gt; having had <BR>

> & gt; & gt; this & nbsp; surgery. I hope you will & nbsp; feel stronger

> every day and find <BR>

> & gt; the techniques <BR>

> & gt; & gt; that & nbsp; work for & nbsp; you to continue your recovery -

> for example, <BR>

> & gt; exercise, <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; medicines, & nbsp; massage, hot tub, etc. ...take good

> care, Jennie<BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been & nbsp;

> removed]<BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt;

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We've all been there -- after my second surgery, my father tells me that I

greeted Dr. Glazer by calling him a " beady eyed gnome with a butcher knife, "

yet I'm usually very nice and mild -- and I have no recollection of this at

all! I also took a phone call from a parent (I was a teacher, and my students'

parents had no problem calling me at home, or in the hospital) and told her

that if she bothered to parent her child and enforce homework at home we would

have no issues. Oops!

Carolyn

Quoting " Rasche , JD " <poetryperson@...>:

>

> <html><body>

>

>

> <tt>

> <BR>

> Dianne, Jennie, et al --<BR>

> <BR>

> (A thought while proofing the following post: & nbsp; I must become

> less <BR>

> chatty and more succinct. I wonder if both legs are

> & quot;asleep & quot; at this <BR>

> point . . . )<BR>

> <BR>

> I see I am reaching my limit as to how long I can sit -- actually

> <BR>

> semi-recline -- with my laptop (one of the heavier models) in my lap.

> <BR>

> Am still looking for some kind of rolling & quot;stand & quot; for

> notebook PCs <BR>

> which I saw advertised in a Sunday supplement from Office Max. <BR>

> <BR>

> I would love to reply in detail to all the interesting posts here;

> <BR>

> for now, let me just chime in on the & quot;age & quot; discussion and

> remind <BR>

> everyone that I was born in 1949. I had two revisions (technically,

> <BR>

> one two-part revision) in 2001, and four more (including emergency

> <BR>

> repair of a stress fracture at T-10) in 2004. I am in good general

> <BR>

> health and found the operations in my 50s easier than my initial

> <BR>

> fusion at age 13. <BR>

> <BR>

> Just one qualifying comment, though: I have (reportedly)had two

> post-<BR>

> op deliriums (deliria?), and I am not the only such case I have heard

> <BR>

> about. Each occurred when I needed very lengthy surgery which was

> <BR>

> performed in two installments separated by about one week -- i.e.,

> <BR>

> following the second eight or ten hours of anesthesia. I'm not quite

> <BR>

> sure which was worse -- being sick to my stomach in 1961, or out of

> <BR>

> my head some forty years later. Of course I have total amnesia for

> <BR>

> the delirious times, but it is a little unnerving to hear how loopy

> <BR>

> you were from various bystanders.<BR>

> <BR>

> Antibiotics, like anesthetics, have presumably become more plentiful

> <BR>

> and powerful since my youth. Thus, this past year, I also had the fun

> <BR>

> of discovering that I am wildly allergic to vancomycin. :-) <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Dear & nbsp; Dianne,<BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; I am fused to S1 (from T6) since 94 & nbsp; and had & nbsp;

> revision surgery <BR>

> & gt; w/Dr. & nbsp; LaGrone, <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Amarillo in 99. My CD rods & nbsp; were removed during

> revision. I <BR>

> & gt; recovered & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; relatively quickly & nbsp; I think because I had a great

> physical <BR>

> therapy <BR>

> & gt; program and I & nbsp; was & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; in good physical and mental shape - and I was much more

> informed & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; than in & nbsp; 94.<BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Five years later, I have had & nbsp; residual muscle and

> nerve pain and <BR>

> & gt; take & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; neurotin and & nbsp; oxycontin. & nbsp; I have botox shots

> every 3 months for <BR>

> & gt; deep & nbsp; muscle & nbsp; pain and <BR>

> & gt; & gt; I wear lidocaine patches which I find to be the

> most & nbsp; & nbsp; helpful <BR>

> for <BR>

> & gt; daytime <BR>

> & gt; & gt; maintenance. I've kept the oxycontin at 10 & nbsp; mg & nbsp;

> twice a day; just <BR>

> & gt; enough keep the <BR>

> & gt; & gt; pain level at 2-3. I & nbsp; don't want to sleep & nbsp;

> through my days. I <BR>

> want <BR>

> & gt; to stay <BR>

> & gt; & gt; active & nbsp; and involved in life. As w/most & nbsp; others,

> I don't bend, <BR>

> & gt; twist or lift. I & nbsp; was <BR>

> & gt; & gt; told that the only reason I & nbsp; could bend after my

> fusion in 94 & nbsp; <BR>

> was <BR>

> & gt; because of <BR>

> & gt; & gt; the fracture between L4 and & nbsp; L5.<BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Exercise, particularly walking, is essential. If I stop

> walking <BR>

> & gt; and & nbsp; get & nbsp; lazy <BR>

> & gt; & gt; about exercising, my back hurts. It's that simple. I & nbsp;

> have to <BR>

> keep <BR>

> & gt; moving. I & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; am now walking on a treadmill 30 & nbsp; minutes a day and

> doing light <BR>

> & gt; weights three & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; times a week to & nbsp; strengthen my back and stomach

> muscles. I'm <BR>

> & gt; spending the extra & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; $ on a personal trainer to make sure I'm doing the

> exercise & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; machines & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; properly and that I don't re-injure my back in some & nbsp;

> way. I'm not <BR>

> & gt; at all sure & nbsp; that I <BR>

> & gt; & gt; didn't inadvertently cause & nbsp; the problem that led to

> the revision <BR>

> in <BR>

> & gt; 99 & nbsp; while <BR>

> & gt; & gt; exercising. & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; I think every person's perception and experience of

> pain & nbsp; after <BR>

> & gt; revision & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; surgery is individual. What bothers one person & nbsp; may

> not bother <BR>

> & gt; another at & nbsp; all. <BR>

> & gt; & gt; Some people seem to have very & nbsp; little pain after

> surgery, and <BR>

> some <BR>

> & gt; of us & nbsp; have <BR>

> & gt; & gt; quite a bit. I & nbsp; don't regret having the surgery. I

> don't think my <BR>

> & gt; other & nbsp; option & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; was a good one - to have my spine continue to bend? No, I

> decided <BR>

> & gt; I & nbsp; would & nbsp; have <BR>

> & gt; & gt; the bending stopped and corrected. I was going to

> have & nbsp; pain <BR>

> & gt; regardless of & nbsp; the <BR>

> & gt; & gt; choice or decision I made. And I had & nbsp; an good surgeon

> with an <BR>

> & gt; excellent & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; reputation. This was just & nbsp; my situation and my

> decision. Each of <BR>

> us <BR>

> & gt; has to weigh & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; the & nbsp; pros and cons based on my individual

> circumstances. <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; This & nbsp; is really an exciting time for you - your back

> is like new! <BR>

> & gt; You will & nbsp; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; probably be able to do things you haven't been able to do

> in <BR>

> years & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; so I hope you <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; will let yourself enjoy the good things that & nbsp;

> are coming out of <BR>

> & gt; having had <BR>

> & gt; & gt; this & nbsp; surgery. I hope you will & nbsp; feel stronger

> every day and find <BR>

> & gt; the techniques <BR>

> & gt; & gt; that & nbsp; work for & nbsp; you to continue your recovery -

> for example, <BR>

> & gt; exercise, <BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; medicines, & nbsp; massage, hot tub, etc. ...take good

> care, Jennie<BR>

> & gt; & gt; & nbsp; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; <BR>

> & gt; & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been & nbsp;

> removed]<BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt; <BR>

> & gt;

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Dianne,

My apologies for being online so little these days as I try to deal

with my pain. I hope by now you have received some helpful responses.

As you said, each of us is different, and each revision is different.

I had four more surgeries this year (in Chicago, with Dr. Ondra) and

am also wondering what comes next! My surgeon did tell me to " give it

a year. "

Following my initial revision with Dr. Rand in 2001, I remember I

thought I had hit a plateau around 10 months post-op, then suddenly I

got much better in terms of lessened pain and greater mobility. I had

further improvement in Year 2.

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> I'm a little disappointed at the lack of responses I've rec'd from

> my last posting, " What's Next? " . I'm just over four months post

> revision and will be seeing the doc in a couple of weeks and was

> wondering what lies ahead. I would love to hear from anyone that's

> had revision and what it was like for them at this stage of the

game

> and further on. Anyone, not just Rand patients. So far I've been

> told by the doc to keep activity to a minimum and walk as often as

I

> can. No bending, twisting, stretching or lifting anything over 8

> pounds. I wear the fusion stimulator four hours per day and was

told

> that I'm to continue this for another four months. When are we told

> we're actually healed? My original scolio surgery was followed by

> eight months in a body cast, so I've just have been assuming that's

> how long it will take for this fusion to really set up. Generally

> speaking of course, I know we all heal differently, especially now

> that we're all a little older, ahem.

>

> Happy Thanksgiving all!

>

> Dianne in RI

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>

> Anyone have experience using TKO, or kleen free in their laundry? Also has

anyone tried taking D'Limonene capsules? They say they are anti parasitic.

> I need a laundry additive that is a sure thing. The RP is the best thing i

have used so far, but it is about 95%. I cant afford for anything to slip by

when we move.

> I plan on trashing all cotton, and using RP, and menthol crystals in bags.

>

What is Kleen Free? If it's enzyme cleaner, I used that in laundry but

borax/ammonia was much cheaper for synthetics. Any cottons, I just bleached the

hell out of them. Thank goodness it seems to work, I love cotton shirts and blue

jeans. I am in Oregon, jeans are kind of a uniform here.

I just read a thread a week or so ago that said BioKleen detergent got them out

of her clothes, and kept them out. I haven't tried it, though.

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Holly -

I clean with TKO or Citrasolv (cheaper than TKO) and love them. Never tried it

in the laundry, but then again I'm no longer having a problem with clothes.

Bessie

>

> Anyone have experience using TKO, or kleen free in their laundry? Also has

anyone tried taking D'Limonene capsules? They say they are anti parasitic.

> I need a laundry additive that is a sure thing. The RP is the best thing i

have used so far, but it is about 95%. I cant afford for anything to slip by

when we move.

> I plan on trashing all cotton, and using RP, and menthol crystals in bags.

>

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Oh - in that case, I recommend BugArrest - same thing at about half the price.

It doesn't have the Peppermint Oil in it, although I imagine you could put a few

drops in. I like the enzymes too - the problem is that to be effective, you have

to use a lot, and it's kind of expensive.

> > >

> > > Anyone have experience using TKO, or kleen free in their laundry? Also has

anyone tried taking D'Limonene capsules? They say they are anti parasitic.

> > > I need a laundry additive that is a sure thing. The RP is the best thing i

have used so far, but it is about 95%. I cant afford for anything to slip by

when we move.

> > > I plan on trashing all cotton, and using RP, and menthol crystals in bags.

> > >

> >

> > What is Kleen Free? If it's enzyme cleaner, I used that in laundry but

borax/ammonia was much cheaper for synthetics. Any cottons, I just bleached the

hell out of them. Thank goodness it seems to work, I love cotton shirts and blue

jeans. I am in Oregon, jeans are kind of a uniform here.

> >

> > I just read a thread a week or so ago that said BioKleen detergent got them

out of her clothes, and kept them out. I haven't tried it, though.

> >

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I don't add anything to the BioKleen Premium Plus Laundry Detergent.

Concerned that even Borax might destroy the enzymes & such in the

Bio-Kleen. Might try a load with only the BioKleen & see if it works

for you as it has for me.

Since the search engine on the forum isn't working properly, anyone

who may want to read my latest post on BioKleen & laundry day can

find it here:

bird mites/message/15272

Best wishes, Sue

Anyone have experience using TKO, or kleen free in their laundry?

Also has anyone tried taking D'Limonene capsules? They say they are

anti parasitic.

I need a laundry additive that is a sure thing. The RP is the best

thing i have used so far, but it is about 95%. I cant afford for

anything to slip by when we move.

I plan on trashing all cotton, and using RP, and menthol crystals in

bags.

What is Kleen Free? If it's enzyme cleaner, I used that in laundry but

borax/ammonia was much cheaper for synthetics. Any cottons, I just

bleached the hell out of them. Thank goodness it seems to work, I

love cotton shirts and blue jeans. I am in Oregon, jeans are kind of

a uniform here.

I just read a thread a week or so ago that said BioKleen detergent

got them out of her clothes, and kept them out. I haven't tried it,

though.

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