Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Yes, Yes I understand it is a side effect of the surgery. I had them before I had the surgery, but was able to drink more so kept them at a minimum. As painful as they are, I will accept them rather than fat. I had my surgery 4-26-2000. Kidney stones hit Labor day of this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hi Jack, Kidney stones seem to be on the rise ... at least my office is getting an overshare lately. We have found vitamin C, at 3000 mg/day, will soften them enough to begin erosion; at 5000 mg they begin dissolving. Orange juice temporarily dilate the uteters (and any exiting organ duct) enough to allow stone release. Calcium (powdered, of course) aids in symptomatic relief of cramping. And, of course, LOTS and LOTS of flushing and good adjusting. Liquid minerals begin to balance the metabolic soup preventing further build up. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 59 Santa Clara St., Eugene, Oregon, 97404 541-689-0935 >From: JPedersenDC <chirodoc1@...> >oregon dcs < > >Subject: kidney stones? >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:57:43 -0800 > > >howdy: > >been a while since I read up on this subject.....but I seem to recall >kidney stones are not calcium, but rather phosphorus?? Got a synopsis >of this via conservative clinical management? > >What is a good effective regimen for dealing with this problem? > >J. Pedersen DC >Tourist in LaLa Land > > > > >OregonDCs rules: >1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to >foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve >members will be tolerated. >2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. >3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, >it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or >otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his >or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 80% are Ca joe medlin dc kidney stones? > > howdy: > > been a while since I read up on this subject.....but I seem to recall > kidney stones are not calcium, but rather phosphorus?? Got a synopsis > of this via conservative clinical management? > > What is a good effective regimen for dealing with this problem? > > J. Pedersen DC > Tourist in LaLa Land > > > > > OregonDCs rules: > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated. > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 I would add to sunny's speel by increasing water and cranberry juice intake. joe medlin dc pdx kidney stones? > >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:57:43 -0800 > > > > > >howdy: > > > >been a while since I read up on this subject.....but I seem to recall > >kidney stones are not calcium, but rather phosphorus?? Got a synopsis > >of this via conservative clinical management? > > > >What is a good effective regimen for dealing with this problem? > > > >J. Pedersen DC > >Tourist in LaLa Land > > > > > > > > > >OregonDCs rules: > >1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to > >foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve > >members will be tolerated. > >2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. > >3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, > >it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or > >otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his > >or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hey Jack - (from my Steve Austin notes) Kidney stones are most commonly calcium oxalate. If dietary calcium increases urinary calcium, (check with 24 hr. quantitative Ca UA) then DON'T supplement Ca. If there is no change supplementing is safe. If dietary calcium does NOT increase urinary excretion, then supplement Ca because it will decrease urinary oxalate. - increase water consumption - avoid oxalate containing foods (spinach, chive rhubarb etc.) - avoid vit D DECREASE urinary calcium (if it's high) - avoid high protein diets (goodbye Atkins) - avoid caffeine (increases urinary calcium) supplement 300 Mg magnesium(binds oxalate) 50 mg B6 (inhibits oxalate secretion) AVOID high doses of vitamin C (since it can convert to oxalate) Plus it pushes the pH the wrong way. Supplement Taurine 2G/day (decreases oxalate secretion) There are also uric acid (meat/gout association) and magnesium ammonium phosphate stones (associated with UTIs) Don , DC 400 NW Walnut Blvd., Ste 400 Corvallis, OR 97330 (541) 758-2225 don@... kidney stones? howdy: been a while since I read up on this subject.....but I seem to recall kidney stones are not calcium, but rather phosphorus?? Got a synopsis of this via conservative clinical management? What is a good effective regimen for dealing with this problem? J. Pedersen DC Tourist in LaLa Land OregonDCs rules: 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated. 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 With no offense intended, this seems like 'old' info ... the news re vit c softening and eroding stones came from Dr. Schultz's website...I found it effective and quickly effective. Hope this helps. sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 59 Santa Clara St., Eugene, Oregon, 97404 541-689-0935 >From: " Don , DC " <don@...> > " 'JPedersenDC' " <chirodoc1@...>, " 'oregon dcs' " >< > >Subject: RE: kidney stones? >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:08:58 -0800 > > >Hey Jack - (from my Steve Austin notes) Kidney stones are most commonly >calcium oxalate. If dietary calcium increases urinary calcium, (check >with 24 hr. quantitative Ca UA) then DON'T supplement Ca. If there is >no change supplementing is safe. > >If dietary calcium does NOT increase urinary excretion, then supplement >Ca because it will decrease urinary oxalate. >- increase water consumption >- avoid oxalate containing foods (spinach, chive rhubarb etc.) >- avoid vit D > >DECREASE urinary calcium (if it's high) >- avoid high protein diets (goodbye Atkins) >- avoid caffeine (increases urinary calcium) > >supplement 300 Mg magnesium(binds oxalate) > 50 mg B6 (inhibits oxalate secretion) > AVOID high doses of vitamin C (since it can convert to >oxalate) Plus it pushes the pH the wrong way. > Supplement Taurine 2G/day (decreases oxalate secretion) > >There are also uric acid (meat/gout association) and magnesium ammonium >phosphate stones (associated with UTIs) > >Don , DC >400 NW Walnut Blvd., Ste 400 >Corvallis, OR 97330 >(541) 758-2225 >don@... > > > kidney stones? > > >howdy: > >been a while since I read up on this subject.....but I seem to recall >kidney stones are not calcium, but rather phosphorus?? Got a synopsis >of this via conservative clinical management? > >What is a good effective regimen for dealing with this problem? > >J. Pedersen DC >Tourist in LaLa Land > > > > >OregonDCs rules: >1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to >foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve >members will be tolerated. >2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. >3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. >However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, >forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another >member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have >been removed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 a, This is the article Dr. R. sent re: orange juice. Sheila Keep Kidney Stones Away With Orange Juice Keep Kidney Stones Away With Orange Juice, Not Lemonade Main Category: Urology / Nephrology News Article Date: 04 Sep 2006 - 15:00 PST A daily glass of orange juice can help prevent the recurrence of kidney stones better than other citrus fruit juices such as lemonade, researchers at UT Southwestern Medical Center have discovered. The findings indicate that although many people assume that all citrus fruit juices help prevent the formation of kidney stones, not all have the same effect. The study is available online and is scheduled to be published in the Oct. 26 issue of the Clinical Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. Medically managing recurrent kidney stones requires dietary and lifestyle changes as well as treatment such as the addition of potassium citrate, which has been shown to lower the rate of new stone formation in patients with kidney stones. But some patients can't tolerate potassium citrate because of gastrointestinal side effects, said Dr. Clarita Odvina, assistant professor of internal medicine at the and Jane Pak Center for Mineral Metabolism and Clinical Research and the study's lead author. In those cases, dietary sources of citrate - such as orange juice - may be considered as an alternative to pharmacological drugs. " Orange juice could potentially play an important role in the management of kidney stone disease and may be considered an option for patients who are intolerant of potassium citrate, " Dr. Odvina said. All citrus juices contain citrate, a negatively charged form of citric acid that gives a sour taste to citrus fruits. Researchers compared orange juice and lemonade - juices with comparable citrate contents - and found that the components that accompany the citrate can alter the effectiveness of the juice in decreasing the risk of developing new kidney stones. Kidney stones develop when the urine is too concentrated, causing minerals and other chemicals in the urine to bind together. Over time, these crystals combine and grow into a stone. In the UT Southwestern study, 13 volunteers - some with a history of kidney stones and some without - underwent three phases, each lasting one week. Chosen in random order, the phases included: a distilled water or control phase; an orange juice phase; and a lemonade phase. There was a three-week interval between phases. During each phase, volunteers drank 13 ounces of orange juice, lemonade or distilled water three times a day with meals. They also maintained a low-calcium, low-oxalate diet. Urine and blood samples were taken at intervals during each phase. The study was done at UT Southwestern's General Clinical Research Center. Orange juice, researchers found, boosted the levels of citrate in the urine and reduced the crystallization of uric acid and calcium oxalate - the most frequently found ingredient in kidney stones. But lemonade did not increase the levels of citrate, an important acid neutralizer and inhibitor of kidney stone formation. " One reason might be the different constituents of various beverages, " Dr. Odvina said. For instance, the citrate in orange and grapefruit juice is accompanied by a potassium ion while the citrate in lemonade and cranberry juice is accompanied by a hydrogen ion. Ions of hydrogen, but not potassium, counteract the beneficial effects of the high citrate content. " There is an absolute need to consider the accompanying positive charge [of hydrogen ions] whenever one assesses the citrate content of a diet, " Dr. Odvina said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I had the MGB in March, 2005. Life is wonderful with one exception. I seem to have developed a talent for developing kidney stones. Anyone else have this issue? I only had them once before in my life, over 15 years ago and it was a single incident. In June of this year, I had an X-ray that showed a matched pair, one in each kidney. Hard calcium, as it turned out. The interesting thing is, since the MGB, I feel no pain from them moving or attempting to pass, even when they block the ureter. I understand I should have been writhing on the floor, demanding morphine, but I felt no pain. It's a long story, but I just had the one in the left kidney blasted by sound waves. The surgeon showed me the stent (sort of a drain) that had been living between my kidney and bladder to help healing and passage of crushed stone, and he told me that the discoloration of the stent shows him that I have stone forming urine. How nice! Now I will undergo some sort of tests to try to determine why so I may have to change my diet or add something. Just checking to see if I am alone here. Marilyn in Vermont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Add orange juice!!! Carol in seattle --- aRobin@... wrote: > Can someone answer this quickly....add or eliminate > orange juice???? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 /message/41973 Link to Dr. R's post re kidney stones --- aRobin@... wrote: > Can someone answer this quickly....add or eliminate > orange juice???? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I did read that article that Dr R posted about OJ, and that is part of what made me ask the question...are people more prome to stones after MGB or is it an age thing? Lots of things come up now that I am nearly 60 that I never thought about when I was younger. Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I passed kidney stones about 10 months after my surgery and it was very painful and I also bled a lot. My doctor said I wasn't drinking enough Kidney stones? I had the MGB in March, 2005. Life is wonderful with one exception. I seem to have developed a talent for developing kidney stones. Anyone else have this issue? I only had them once before in my life, over 15 years ago and it was a single incident. In June of this year, I had an X-ray that showed a matched pair, one in each kidney. Hard calcium, as it turned out. The interesting thing is, since the MGB, I feel no pain from them moving or attempting to pass, even when they block the ureter. I understand I should have been writhing on the floor, demanding morphine, but I felt no pain. It's a long story, but I just had the one in the left kidney blasted by sound waves. The surgeon showed me the stent (sort of a drain) that had been living between my kidney and bladder to help healing and passage of crushed stone, and he told me that the discoloration of the stent shows him that I have stone forming urine. How nice! Now I will undergo some sort of tests to try to determine why so I may have to change my diet or add something. Just checking to see if I am alone here. Marilyn in Vermont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Just curious, but did you see the article Dr. Rutledge posted a few weeks back about orange juice helping to prevent kidney stones. You might want to search the archives for it. Of course, it might not apply to you, but good info nevertheless. Kay , Michigan Jan 29 -07 279, now 254 jennfered <jenandrews@...> wrote: Hi! I had my MGB on Oct. 20th 06 and had already formed a kidney stone by Jan 1st. But! I could feel mine! OOOOOOOOuch! lol Anyway, I called my Doc (Dr.D) and Kim Hazen and foudn out that, rarley, but some people are prone to the stones aftr surgery. I wonder if I am still forming them cuz my sides ache a lot but I have a floow up in about 4 mo. to see if anything else is going on. So in a long winded response I know how you feel and it can happen. They could not " catch " mine and so I was not able to findout what it was made of or what I would need to change. keep me posted on what the doc says about your nutrition... I am curious too. Hugs DFW > > I had the MGB in March, 2005. Life is wonderful with one exception. > I seem to have developed a talent for developing kidney stones. > Anyone else have this issue? I only had them once before in my life, > over 15 years ago and it was a single incident. In June of this year, > I had an X-ray that showed a matched pair, one in each kidney. Hard > calcium, as it turned out. The interesting thing is, since the MGB, I > feel no pain from them moving or attempting to pass, even when they > block the ureter. I understand I should have been writhing on the > floor, demanding morphine, but I felt no pain. It's a long story, but > I just had the one in the left kidney blasted by sound waves. The > surgeon showed me the stent (sort of a drain) that had been living > between my kidney and bladder to help healing and passage of crushed > stone, and he told me that the discoloration of the stent shows him > that I have stone forming urine. How nice! Now I will undergo some > sort of tests to try to determine why so I may have to change my diet > or add something. Just checking to see if I am alone here. > Marilyn in Vermont > --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Just popping in here too- I had kidney stones in November this year- two years after MGB- never had before. They were blasted with sound waves and I was given a suggested list of foods to follow. Almost everything they say to eat and drink are not compatable with MGB - like don't drink green tea, don't eat soy, don't eat peanut butter or nuts, don't eat green leafy vegetables, don't eat beans. I have all these on a regular basis. Eat dairy- I'm lactose intolerant. The list goes on and on. Miriam Benmergui Marilyn Morin <camp121@...> wrote: I drink a lot of it already. I know it is supposed to help. Let's pray it does! >From: carol lorac <carolandcrew53@...> >Reply- > >CC: aRobin@... >Subject: Re: Kidney stones? >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:58:01 -0800 (PST) > >Add orange juice!!! > >Carol in seattle > > >--- aRobin@... wrote: > > > Can someone answer this quickly....add or eliminate > > orange juice???? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________ >Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it >now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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