Re: Deleting the Even though phrase

[Guest guest]

Dear CJ and other readers of this thread,

I teach EFT. I researched dyslexia by reading up on several sources,

and one of them Ron , http://www.dyslexia.com/ will give you

information on how (part of) the brain works... relevant is that

pictures and feelings are stored completely differently from words

denoting relationship like " with " , " below " , " and " , " in spite

of " , " even though " , " but " , " between " etc.

The parts of the brain associated with trauma dont comprehend those

kinds of words at all.

Also, if you read up on the brain research reg. PTSD done by Bessel

vander Kolk, (see

http://realisatietrainingen.nl/pb/artikelen/bessel.html, a local copy

of a back issue of networker art) you will notice that the parts of

the brain responsible for storing the traumatic memory will shut down

all sorts of language areas for survival. Basically, you cannot talk

your way out of real trauma. It is stuck in your body.

This implies (and I've tested this) that gramtically correct setup

phrases are completely irrelevant. All you need to do with words is

point the attention (focus) at the incident/feeling together with the

self-acceptance or embracing part of the formula.

Forget grammer

Forget any relationship words in between the 2 parts.

Or use any other relationship word between the 2 parts - it is all

the same to that part of the brain.

The words even though actually allow some people to say the words, it

is more " acceptable " in that format.

(most people have more resistance to " love myself " WITH [problem])

Also, placing the self acceptance at the end of the sentence can be

easier.

More important than that part of language, is the language used to

describe the reference of the person involved.

The right center of Wernicke stores language fragments as they are

heard. The concept of self or I is a rather advanced concept.

So, you may find that it there is more charge to unload when you

use " you made the error " or " you are stupid " instead of " I "

Also, using a name may be preferred, " john is stupid " as that is

stored in said right center of Wernicke.

Kind Regards,

Ben Meijer

EFT Therapist and Trainer

http://realisatietrainingen.nl/pb/index.html (in dutch)

[Guest guest]

Hi Ben.

This really makes sense to me!

What I hear you say is (if I understand you correct) is that one

could keep it very simple and just say: " Headache - love myself " .

Let me take it even further and suggest that one could see a picture

of the problem and at the same time say: " love myself " . Wouldn´t you

agree that the message that the brain receives would be the same? (I

think that the uncounsiouss mind understand pictures more easely than

words) And actually it is much more SIMPLE!

You also write:

>The concept of self or I is a rather advanced concept.

> So, you may find that it there is more charge to unload when you

> use " you made the error " or " you are stupid " instead of " I "

But actually this would imply that one could use: " I love YOU "

instead! (Or maybe unloading even more charge: " I love (my name) "

Thanks for bringing your knowledge into the group!

Ole

> gramtically correct setup

> phrases are completely irrelevant. All you need to do with words is

> point the attention (focus) at the incident/feeling together with

the

> self-acceptance or embracing part of the formula.

> Forget grammer

> Forget any relationship words in between the 2 parts.

> Or use any other relationship word between the 2 parts - it is all

> the same to that part of the brain.

>

> The words even though actually allow some people to say the words,

it

> is more " acceptable " in that format.

>

> (most people have more resistance to " love myself " WITH [problem])

>

> Also, placing the self acceptance at the end of the sentence can be

> easier.

>

>

> More important than that part of language, is the language used to

> describe the reference of the person involved.

> The right center of Wernicke stores language fragments as they are

> heard. The concept of self or I is a rather advanced concept.

> So, you may find that it there is more charge to unload when you

> use " you made the error " or " you are stupid " instead of " I "

>

> Also, using a name may be preferred, " john is stupid " as that is

> stored in said right center of Wernicke.

>

>

> Kind Regards,

>

> Ben Meijer

> EFT Therapist and Trainer

> http://realisatietrainingen.nl/pb/index.html (in dutch)

[Guest guest]

" This implies (and I've tested this) that gramtically correct setup

phrases are completely irrelevant. All you need to do with words is

point the attention (focus) at the incident/feeling together with the

self-acceptance or embracing part of the formula. "

I tend to agree that the words don't matter, if the " issue " is front-

and-center. In other words, if one were to simply think of the issue

and how much it bothers them, then do the tapping while continuing to

think of the issue, they'll usually, more often than not, get a good

result.

I tell people that I'm teaching the full phrasing as Craig

originally introduced and that once they have a sense of what the

process is doing, i.e. addressing their issue, and know the basic

tapping points sequence, then they can pretty much say whatever they

want. I think this whole thing is entirely flexible, which is why I

love it so much. There is no right or wrong way to do EFT.

Martyn, M.NLP

http://www.OneMoreBite-Weightloss.com

Get the Daily Bites: Inspirational Mini Lessons Using EFT

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[Guest guest]

> Many if not most people respond to " Even though " as a negative,

>critical, or judgemental phrase, a phrase that finds fault with

>something or defines a situation as a problem or something to be

>corrected.

For me " even though " can seem to concretize something, almost saying

it *is* true, which seems to make it harder to let go of. So I very

often use " even if " which is much more conditional. It's more

conditional than saying the plain fact, for that matter. Compare " I

am (whatever) " with " Even if I am (whatever). " The second version

sounds much lighter to me. I might be or I might not be that thing.

Then the words " if I am " lend themselves to substituting other words

for (whatever), such as opposites, exaggerations, or words that

bring laughter, indicating a charge. This in turn opens up new

positive possibilities and related issues for tapping.

By the way, if you're near Bellingham, WA, I'm doing workshops on

getting over emotional re-runs (living out and repeating stuck

sequences of feelings, words and actions in relationships) and on

eliminating self-criticism. The first is Sept. 9.

More info at http://www.EFTforAll.com.

Regards,

Daimon Sweeney, EFT-CC

[Guest guest]

>> " This implies (and I've tested this) that gramtically correct setup

phrases are completely irrelevant. All you need to do with words is

point the attention (focus) at the incident/feeling together with the

self-acceptance or embracing part of the formula. "

I tend to agree that the words don't matter, if the " issue " is front-

and-center. In other words, if one were to simply think of the issue

and how much it bothers them, then do the tapping while continuing

to

think of the issue, they'll usually, more often than not, get a good

result.

I tell people that I'm teaching the full phrasing as Craig

originally introduced and that once they have a sense of what the

process is doing, i.e. addressing their issue, and know the basic

tapping points sequence, then they can pretty much say whatever they

want. I think this whole thing is entirely flexible, which is why I

love it so much. There is no right or wrong way to do EFT. <<

I've watched this chat and tried to keep my fingers off the keyboard

figuring somebody else on the board would make my point. But nobody

so far, so here goes:

One central purpose of the " Even though. . . " phrase **and** its

accompanying tapping point (either " sore spot " or " karate chop "

spot " ) is as insurance against being " switched " (as they say in AK)

or " having your batteries in backwards " (a lame metaphor, but the

best that can be done, since nobody really understands the

fundamental physics [if it's indeed " physics " in the usual sense] of

the meridian system anyway). I believe it's been clinical

experience in chiropractic, AK, TFT and EFT (among others) and just

plain messing-around-with-it (as in homeopathic " provings " ) that has

led to the setup phrase formulation and again, the *vital* part of

tapping on or rubbing the right spot while saying the phrase three

times.

My strong tendency with any parts of the basic recipe is to stick

close to them until something in a session demands *very* loudly

that we change a part or omit it. Or add anything. (This last can

often be very distracting and get the client and me lost in

what " technique " is the best -- should we be tapping under the

breast, too? -- should we add the taps on the fingers? -- or taps

inside the knees and ankles? -- or the eyerolls and singing? --

or. . .??)

I think it's important to heed the depth of experience of the folks

like and others who've got thousands of hours working with EFT

and its close cousins. I haven't asked him, but I'm sure did

many, many clinical " experiments " before he dropped the finger

tapping/eyeroll/singing parts of the recipe. If you watch

work, often with total strangers, on many of the CDs, you know that

as he's worked with EFT, he's grown and, IMNSHO now has Master

status. To watch do EFT is like listening to Horowitz play

Chopin.

So when and others say the setup phrase and tapping can " un-

switch " , I'm *very* likely to stick with that (unless there's strong

reason to change it for this session *only*), given his level of

mastery. Further: In one place I can't locate just now, (or

somebody else. . ??) relates his experience that sometimes if the

process has stalled -- SUDS won't go down and no new aspect has

popped up -- it helps to go back to the setup phrase just used and

repeat it *very* loudly three times while tapping on the KC or

rubbing the " sore spot " and then try another round of the basic

recipe. This can often trigger an " un-switching " and lead to a

breakthrough, either into a new aspect or full relief.^^ Thus, it's

important to have a simple, easily-recalled, setup phrase to return

to that both practitioner and client can access without " breaking

stride " too much with written notes and trying to recall the variant

just used, etc.

I've found that keeping that rhythm and momentum going in the

session is just as important as other considerations. There's a

dramatic impetus in most EFT sessions that I feel is important to

nurture and " dance with " and not break into all the time

with " technical " problems or fussy wordsmithing/editing/etc. If

honored and " played " , this impetus can often lead to the client's

suddenly noticing s/he's on completely new ground, dealing with a

core issue s/he's only touched on in passing in years of other kinds

of therapeutic interventions.

Ergo: K.I.S.S. (Which many of you know is the wham-bam acronym

for " Keep It Simple, Stupid! " ) is my motto as I go into an EFT

session with someone, and I resist any over-fancy steps driving me

into brain gyrations, from anyone EFT-ing me with a problem of my

own. (And as you can already tell from my many, early-blooming

parentheses, keeping it simple is often difficult for me. };>))

-=d=-

________________________

^^And if I recall the passage correctly, " full relief " with the

caveat that there may still be some aspects unresolved, tail-enders,

allergies, toxicities, or whatever that may trigger

another " reversal " back to the original problem or open up into

other aspects to tap on. Important in these cases to tell the

client about those probabilities.