Re: Don or Suzie or anyone ?

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

Whew!!! I would strongly suggest, and this is only a suggestion, that if

you are planning on going cold turkey that you do so with someone, who

is responsible, to be with you for the time necessary for you to go

through this. Then I highly suggest that you go to bed and stay there

for as much as you can. Your body will need all the rest it can get and

then some. You DO NOT NEED TO BE EXERCISING AND WASTING YOUR ENERGY!!!!

You are going to need every morsel of energy you can scrape together to

get over these drugs. Believe it or not. DO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PLENTY OF

FRESH, PURE WATER AND DRINK PLENTY OF IT. TRY NOT TO EAT ANYTHING, BUT

IF NEEDED EAT ONLY RAW TENDER LEAFY GREENS AND FRESH RAW FRUITS. Your

body will need all the help it can get and plenty of organic minerals

and vitamins will help immensely. However, realize that eating uses up

body energy that your body will be needing to overcome.

Not knowing what all your diet is like, Lynn, nor much else about your

lifestyle I can't really say what is causing the edema. However, I would

highly suspect a) too much salt in the diet kidneys not functioning

properly due to overtoxed liver and kidneys. You really are going to

need someone who can assist you. Much as any junkie going through

withdrawals (and I am not saying you are a junkie, only using that for

analogy). Yes, you can do it yourself but in your physical condition I

strongly suggest getting someone to " babysit " you through this.

As you have already found out, surgery is never the answer, it only

compounds problems in the long run and more often in the short run.

I am going to stop here to let you digest what I have written. Let me

know your thoughts and ask any more questions. You need to be totally in

the know about this so we need to clear up any misconceptions, unknowns

or fears.

In peace,

Don 'Quai' Eitner

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the

animal and wakes in man. "

" To do good is like ascending a mountain; to do evil is as easy as

following an avalanche. " Chinese Proverb

Worry -- a God, invisible but omnipotent. It steals the bloom from the

cheek and lightness from the pulse; it takes away the appetite, and

turns the hair gray. - Disraeli

Every decision you make - every decision - is not a decision about what

to do. It's a decision about Who You Are. When you see this, when you

understand it, everything changes. You begin to see life in a new way.

All events, occurrences, and situations turn into opportunities to do

what you came here to do. - Neale Walsch

Pearlmoon wrote:

> Most of you who know me know that I take some strong drugs for a back

> problem Four surgeries have failed to take away the pain. I have

> been taking oxycontin 10 mg about 6 to 8 tablets a day. Lortabs 10mg

> each 3 to 4 a day and muscle relaxers along withan antihistamine to

> enhance them and get them into my system faster. I heard from

> someone here that morphine eats away something in the body. I think it

> might be a protein or something? What was that? I am now starting

> with edema in both my feet and in my right lower leg and in my hands

> and more so in my right hand. Sometimes I cant even make a fist due

> to all the swelling. Could this be the drugs causing this? I (as a

> nurse) never thought of this until this morning. I have just taken my

> last dose of medication. I am going to go through withdrawals I know

> this. I am willing to do it. I don't care anymore. I feel like I am

> falling apart a piece at a time. And all the doctors want to do is

> give me another drug. I won't take even a single pill more. Can

> anyone here please tell me why I might be third spacing (or swelling

> with fluid) like this? I think it is the drugs and lack of exercise.

> It is difficult for me to move with all of this pain. Walking and

> going up and down the stairs is very difficult to begin with. Not to

> mention the weight I have gained. I have put on about 40 to 45 pounds

> in the last 5 years. I must start moving again, and eating better.

> In a couple of days I am going to see how I feel and start on my

> exercise bike even if if it only 5 or 10 minutes to start with. At

> least it's something. I am also going to get one of those small

> exercise trampolines with an handle on it so that I can try to run in

> place with out the impact and I will have the bar to hold on to. The

> running will be slow to start out to be sure. But I feel that with

> time I can improve. I have been through so much that it is starting

> to really get to me. This swelling is the last straw. Please Don,

> Sizie or anyone can you help me with some advise? I don't think I

> will be feeling too well for the next couple of weeks due to the

> withdrawals from the drugs. I am willing to go through it just to

> start to feel normal again. Even my fingers hurt. My knees and hips

> are killing me with pain. I know that sometimes when the body craves

> the oxycontin it can feel much pain from the drug leaving the system.

> I think that's what that is all from. Is it the morphine doing all of

> this to me? I think it might be. I could be wrong. Thank you all so

> much and I will wait for any kind of help.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Lynn, you have my sympathies! Poor girl!

IMHO, swelling is from the kidneys being clogged or unable to do their job. Most drugs will tend to mess up kidneys and liver. I would use kidney cleanse tea to help them.

Years ago when I was waitressing on a cement floor, my ankles swelled up so I could not even see the bones. I used a taro root plaster on my kidneys and it pulled out whatever was clogging them. I have not had swelling since.

Exercise will help because it will use leg muscles to squeeze blood back uphill for better circulation.

As I said, JMHO.

Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlBill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!!aeranch@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Pearlmoon

health

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:53 AM

Subject: Don or Suzie or anyone "?"

Most of you who know me know that I take some strong drugs for a back problem Four surgeries have failed to take away the pain. I have been taking oxycontin 10 mg about 6 to 8 tablets a day. Lortabs 10mg each 3 to 4 a day and muscle relaxers along withan antihistamine to enhance them and get them into my system faster. I heard from someone here that morphine eats away something in the body. I think it might be a protein or something? What was that? I am now starting with edema in both my feet and in my right lower leg and in my hands and more so in my right hand. Sometimes I cant even make a fist due to all the swelling. Could this be the drugs causing this? I (as a nurse) never thought of this until this morning. I have just taken my last dose of medication. I am going to go through withdrawals I know this. I am willing to do it. I don't care anymore. I feel like I am falling apart a piece at a time. And all the doctors want to do is give me another drug. I won't take even a single pill more. Can anyone here please tell me why I might be third spacing (or swelling with fluid) like this? I think it is the drugs and lack of exercise. It is difficult for me to move with all of this pain. Walking and going up and down the stairs is very difficult to begin with. Not to mention the weight I have gained. I have put on about 40 to 45 pounds in the last 5 years. I must start moving again, and eating better. In a couple of days I am going to see how I feel and start on my exercise bike even if if it only 5 or 10 minutes to start with. At least it's something. I am also going to get one of those small exercise trampolines with an handle on it so that I can try to run in place with out the impact and I will have the bar to hold on to. The running will be slow to start out to be sure. But I feel that with time I can improve. I have been through so much that it is starting to really get to me. This swelling is the last straw. Please Don, Sizie or anyone can you help me with some advise? I don't think I will be feeling too well for the next couple of weeks due to the withdrawals from the drugs. I am willing to go through it just to start to feel normal again. Even my fingers hurt. My knees and hips are killing me with pain. I know that sometimes when the body craves the oxycontin it can feel much pain from the drug leaving the system. I think that's what that is all from. Is it the morphine doing all of this to me? I think it might be. I could be wrong. Thank you all so much and I will wait for any kind of help.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Can I have the recipe for the kidney cleanse tea? Starting to feel shaky already.

Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Gayla

health

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: Don or Suzie or anyone "?"

Lynn, you have my sympathies! Poor girl!

IMHO, swelling is from the kidneys being clogged or unable to do their job. Most drugs will tend to mess up kidneys and liver. I would use kidney cleanse tea to help them.

Years ago when I was waitressing on a cement floor, my ankles swelled up so I could not even see the bones. I used a taro root plaster on my kidneys and it pulled out whatever was clogging them. I have not had swelling since.

Exercise will help because it will use leg muscles to squeeze blood back uphill for better circulation.

As I said, JMHO.

Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlBill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!!aeranch@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Pearlmoon

health

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:53 AM

Subject: Don or Suzie or anyone "?"

Most of you who know me know that I take some strong drugs for a back problem Four surgeries have failed to take away the pain. I have been taking oxycontin 10 mg about 6 to 8 tablets a day. Lortabs 10mg each 3 to 4 a day and muscle relaxers along withan antihistamine to enhance them and get them into my system faster. I heard from someone here that morphine eats away something in the body. I think it might be a protein or something? What was that? I am now starting with edema in both my feet and in my right lower leg and in my hands and more so in my right hand. Sometimes I cant even make a fist due to all the swelling. Could this be the drugs causing this? I (as a nurse) never thought of this until this morning. I have just taken my last dose of medication. I am going to go through withdrawals I know this. I am willing to do it. I don't care anymore. I feel like I am falling apart a piece at a time. And all the doctors want to do is give me another drug. I won't take even a single pill more. Can anyone here please tell me why I might be third spacing (or swelling with fluid) like this? I think it is the drugs and lack of exercise. It is difficult for me to move with all of this pain. Walking and going up and down the stairs is very difficult to begin with. Not to mention the weight I have gained. I have put on about 40 to 45 pounds in the last 5 years. I must start moving again, and eating better. In a couple of days I am going to see how I feel and start on my exercise bike even if if it only 5 or 10 minutes to start with. At least it's something. I am also going to get one of those small exercise trampolines with an handle on it so that I can try to run in place with out the impact and I will have the bar to hold on to. The running will be slow to start out to be sure. But I feel that with time I can improve. I have been through so much that it is starting to really get to me. This swelling is the last straw. Please Don, Sizie or anyone can you help me with some advise? I don't think I will be feeling too well for the next couple of weeks due to the withdrawals from the drugs. I am willing to go through it just to start to feel normal again. Even my fingers hurt. My knees and hips are killing me with pain. I know that sometimes when the body craves the oxycontin it can feel much pain from the drug leaving the system. I think that's what that is all from. Is it the morphine doing all of this to me? I think it might be. I could be wrong. Thank you all so much and I will wait for any kind of help.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hello Don

Thank you for your reply. I live with my partner Rich and our son

(21 yrs. old.) So I am not alone. I will do no exercise for about 2 to 3

weeks. My diet has turned into an awful one, so I'm sure that has something

to do with it as well as the drugs. I will drink plenty of water and eat

some fruit and veggies. I will do very little with myself so that I can

conserve my energy. Is it still alright to take an epsom salt bath tonight?

I never feel better than after a bath or shower. I am already starting to

feel the yawns and am stretching. That usually means my body wants more

drugs. That's how I feel when I need them. I have no doubt that it will

get worse. I'm sure I will be very shaky by tonight. That too is starting

in small doses already. Thank you for your advise and I will let you know

about my progress. I am determined to get through this. I never want to

take another drug as long as I live. And I want to live. I feel like I

will die within the next few years if I keep this up. (the drugs)

Thank you again. I will talk to you tomorrow. I will try to email you each

day. (if I can.)

Love you

Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: " Don Eitner " <mysticalherbalist@...>

<health >

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: Don or Suzie or anyone " ? "

> Hi Lynn,

>

> Whew!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

You go girl. I am very glad that you have support around you. It will

make a huge difference. Yes, do an epsom salt bath and head to bed. Plan

on being in bed for many days to allow your bodily energy to assist with

cleansing and removing of previously said toxins.

After you come out the other side, then you can concentrate on cleaning

up the diet even more and s..l..o..w..l..y begin an exercise regime that

will allow you to move into building and strengthening the body. You

have a very hard row to hoe but it isn't anything that you are not

mentally/physically/spiritually prepared to deal with. Besides, you have

a wonderful support group here and we will be here for you. You can

email me privately or on list. Daily, every other day or whatever you

feel like. I would certainly appreciate being updated on your condition

and situation as it unfolds, transpires, changes, and whatever else it

will do along with you.

Just remember, rest and lots of it along with water are going to be your

best friends for the next several weeks or longer. Get to know them

intimately. If you wish to read while in bed then do so. Just try to

stay as calm as possible.

Keep me posted Lynn and we are all here to help in any way we can.

In peace,

Don 'Quai' Eitner

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the

animal and wakes in man. "

" To do good is like ascending a mountain; to do evil is as easy as

following an avalanche. " Chinese Proverb

Worry -- a God, invisible but omnipotent. It steals the bloom from the

cheek and lightness from the pulse; it takes away the appetite, and

turns the hair gray. - Disraeli

Every decision you make - every decision - is not a decision about what

to do. It's a decision about Who You Are. When you see this, when you

understand it, everything changes. You begin to see life in a new way.

All events, occurrences, and situations turn into opportunities to do

what you came here to do. - Neale Walsch

Pearlmoon wrote:

> Hello Don

>

> Thank you for your reply. I live with my partner Rich and our son

> (21 yrs. old.) So I am not alone. I will do no exercise for about 2 to 3

> weeks. My diet has turned into an awful one, so I'm sure that has something

> to do with it as well as the drugs. I will drink plenty of water and eat

> some fruit and veggies. I will do very little with myself so that I can

> conserve my energy. Is it still alright to take an epsom salt bath tonight?

> I never feel better than after a bath or shower. I am already starting to

> feel the yawns and am stretching. That usually means my body wants more

> drugs. That's how I feel when I need them. I have no doubt that it will

> get worse. I'm sure I will be very shaky by tonight. That too is starting

> in small doses already. Thank you for your advise and I will let you know

> about my progress. I am determined to get through this. I never want to

> take another drug as long as I live. And I want to live. I feel like I

> will die within the next few years if I keep this up. (the drugs)

>

> Thank you again. I will talk to you tomorrow. I will try to email you each

> day. (if I can.)

>

> Love you

> Lynn

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Don Eitner " <mysticalherbalist@...>

> <health >

> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:39 AM

> Subject: Re: Don or Suzie or anyone " ? "

>

>

>

>> Hi Lynn,

>>

>> Whew!!!

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I would strongly urge you to back off the

meds more slowly. You can cause more problems with going cold

turkey. Start by cutting the doses in half and space them out during the

day. Then cut that dose in half, THEN cut them out all together.

Trust me, I went through this with anti-anxiety meds I know what I’m

talking about here. As for your edema, it sounds like your heart is not

beating as hard as it should. You need to have that checked and then try

treating that condition naturally. It will help in the mean time if you

lower your salt intake and make sure to move around more. Try not to stay

in one position too long during the day. There are natural diuretics that

can help, but until you know exactly what is causing the problem and are off

the painkillers, I wouldn’t recommend them. Hang in there, we are

all here for you.

Janet

From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Pearlmoon

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006

6:54 AM

health

Subject:

Don or Suzie or anyone " ? "

Most of you who know me know that I take some strong drugs

for a back problem Four surgeries have failed to take away the

pain. I have been taking oxycontin 10 mg about 6 to 8 tablets a

day. Lortabs 10mg each 3 to 4 a day and muscle relaxers along withan

antihistamine to enhance them and get them into my system faster. I

heard from someone here that morphine eats away something in the body. I

think it might be a protein or something? What was that? I am now

starting with edema in both my feet and in my right lower leg and in my hands

and more so in my right hand. Sometimes I cant even make a fist due

to all the swelling. Could this be the drugs causing this? I (as a

nurse) never thought of this until this morning. I have just taken my

last dose of medication. I am going to go through withdrawals I know

this. I am willing to do it. I don't care anymore. I feel

like I am falling apart a piece at a time. And all the doctors want to do

is give me another drug. I won't take even a single pill more. Can

anyone here please tell me why I might be third spacing (or swelling with

fluid) like this? I think it is the drugs and lack of exercise. It

is difficult for me to move with all of this pain. Walking and going up

and down the stairs is very difficult to begin with. Not to mention the

weight I have gained. I have put on about 40 to 45 pounds in the last 5

years. I must start moving again, and eating better. In a

couple of days I am going to see how I feel and start on my exercise bike even

if if it only 5 or 10 minutes to start with. At least it's

something. I am also going to get one of those small exercise trampolines

with an handle on it so that I can try to run in place with out the impact and

I will have the bar to hold on to. The running will be slow to start out

to be sure. But I feel that with time I can improve. I have been

through so much that it is starting to really get to me. This swelling is

the last straw. Please Don, Sizie or anyone can you help me with some

advise? I don't think I will be feeling too well for the next couple of

weeks due to the withdrawals from the drugs. I am willing to go through

it just to start to feel normal again. Even my fingers hurt. My

knees and hips are killing me with pain. I know that sometimes when the

body craves the oxycontin it can feel much pain from the drug leaving the

system. I think that's what that is all from. Is it the morphine

doing all of this to me? I think it might be. I could be

wrong. Thank you all so much and I will wait for any kind of help.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Rebounding would be my suggestion for Lynn to open her lymph sites and release a bunch of junk caught in her lymph system from lack of exercise and the use of medications. You don't have to bounce vigorously, just a gentle up and down with your feet on the mat and hold on to a stabilizer bar. Even sitting on a rebounder and bouncing or having someone bounce behind you works.

Shari

[Guest guest]

Gayla,is this the one you were referring to??KIDNEY/BLADDER DETOX 17 HERB TEA: 1. Take: 2 parts - Juniper Berries, 1 part - Uva Ursi Leaves, 1 part - Dandelion Leaf and 1 part - Kidney Bean Pods. 2. Add 1 part of ANY or ALL of the following Herbs, which are AVAILABLE: Corn Silk, Parsley Root or Leaf, Carrot Tops and Watermelon Seed and Rind. 3. Pour 16 oz. of Boiling Distilled Water over 1 rounded tablespoon of this Herbal Tea Blend. 4. Allow to steep. 5. Add 1 dropperful of the following Kidney/Bladder Tincture to each cup of this Herbal Tea. 6. Drink 1 - 2 cups of this Kidney/Bladder Tea/Tincture Combination in the EARLY Afternoon and EARLY Evening. Pearlmoon <pearlmoon@...> wrote: Can I have the recipe for the kidney cleanse tea? Starting to feel shaky already. Lynn Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ http://360./suziesgoats

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[Guest guest]

Lynn

First, as a medical provider, I would not recommend that you try to fo off all of the narcotics at once. You will go into horrible withdrawls, which can do more damage than what you are already taking. You must wean off slowly as it may shut down other body systems. All the narcotics have a profound affect on the kidney's and that is what is causing all of the swelling, also the liver has to detoxify all of the meds as well and it is just revolting at this time due to the heavy concentration of narcotics. You must be very careful how you approcah this.

You will need to go thorugh multilple different cleanses and detoxification very slowly to rid your body of the heavy toxins.

----- Original Message -----

From: Pearlmoon

health

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:53 AM

Subject: Don or Suzie or anyone "?"

Most of you who know me know that I take some strong drugs for a back problem Four surgeries have failed to take away the pain. I have been taking oxycontin 10 mg about 6 to 8 tablets a day. Lortabs 10mg each 3 to 4 a day and muscle relaxers along withan antihistamine to enhance them and get them into my system faster. I heard from someone here that morphine eats away something in the body. I think it might be a protein or something? What was that? I am now starting with edema in both my feet and in my right lower leg and in my hands and more so in my right hand. Sometimes I cant even make a fist due to all the swelling. Could this be the drugs causing this? I (as a nurse) never thought of this until this morning. I have just taken my last dose of medication. I am going to go through withdrawals I know this. I am willing to do it. I don't care anymore. I feel like I am falling apart a piece at a time. And all the doctors want to do is give me another drug. I won't take even a single pill more. Can anyone here please tell me why I might be third spacing (or swelling with fluid) like this? I think it is the drugs and lack of exercise. It is difficult for me to move with all of this pain. Walking and going up and down the stairs is very difficult to begin with. Not to mention the weight I have gained. I have put on about 40 to 45 pounds in the last 5 years. I must start moving again, and eating better. In a couple of days I am going to see how I feel and start on my exercise bike even if if it only 5 or 10 minutes to start with. At least it's something. I am also going to get one of those small exercise trampolines with an handle on it so that I can try to run in place with out the impact and I will have the bar to hold on to. The running will be slow to start out to be sure. But I feel that with time I can improve. I have been through so much that it is starting to really get to me. This swelling is the last straw. Please Don, Sizie or anyone can you help me with some advise? I don't think I will be feeling too well for the next couple of weeks due to the withdrawals from the drugs. I am willing to go through it just to start to feel normal again. Even my fingers hurt. My knees and hips are killing me with pain. I know that sometimes when the body craves the oxycontin it can feel much pain from the drug leaving the system. I think that's what that is all from. Is it the morphine doing all of this to me? I think it might be. I could be wrong. Thank you all so much and I will wait for any kind of help.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

No it is not the specific one I have used, but I am sure it will help. The one I used is also in the files.

Kidney Formula

1 part Juniper berries (Juniperus communis)

1 part Parsley (Petroselinum crispum)

1 part Uva ursi (Arctostaphylos uva-ursi)

1 part Marshmallow root (Althaea officinalis)

1 part Lobelia (Lobelia inflata)

1 part Ginger (Zingiber officinalis)

1 part Golden seal (Hydrastis canadensis)

Approximately 80% of the body is liquid and much of this fluid must be pumped, filtered, etc. through the urinary system of the individual. We generally do not take the best care of this delicate tract. Through it circulates irritating and clogging type materials, i.e., tea, coffee, soft drinks, hard water, alcohol, etc.

Suggested use is a cup of tea morning and evening, or two capsules or 30 to 60 drops of the glycerine based extract morning and evening taken with a cup of parsley tea.

This tea is very good for incontinence and bed wetting as well.

From the "School of Natural Healing" by Dr. R.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Suzanne

health

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: Don or Suzie or anyone "?"

Gayla,is this the one you were referring to??KIDNEY/BLADDER DETOX 17 HERB TEA: 1. Take: 2 parts - Juniper Berries, 1 part - Uva Ursi Leaves, 1 part - Dandelion Leaf and 1 part - Kidney Bean Pods. 2. Add 1 part of ANY or ALL of the following Herbs, which are AVAILABLE: Corn Silk, Parsley Root or Leaf, Carrot Tops and Watermelon Seed and Rind. 3. Pour 16 oz. of Boiling Distilled Water over 1 rounded tablespoon of this Herbal Tea Blend. 4. Allow to steep. 5. Add 1 dropperful of the following Kidney/Bladder Tincture to each cup of this Herbal Tea. 6. Drink 1 - 2 cups of this Kidney/Bladder Tea/Tincture Combination in the EARLY Afternoon and EARLY Evening. Pearlmoon <pearlmoon@...> wrote:

Can I have the recipe for the kidney cleanse tea? Starting to feel shaky already.

Lynn

Suzi

What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

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[Guest guest]

Also starting out with parsley tea will help clean and strengthen the kidneys and prepare them for the work to come.

Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlBill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!!aeranch@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Suzanne

health

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: Don or Suzie or anyone "?"

Gayla,is this the one you were referring to??KIDNEY/BLADDER DETOX 17 HERB TEA: 1. Take: 2 parts - Juniper Berries, 1 part - Uva Ursi Leaves, 1 part - Dandelion Leaf and 1 part - Kidney Bean Pods. 2. Add 1 part of ANY or ALL of the following Herbs, which are AVAILABLE: Corn Silk, Parsley Root or Leaf, Carrot Tops and Watermelon Seed and Rind. 3. Pour 16 oz. of Boiling Distilled Water over 1 rounded tablespoon of this Herbal Tea Blend. 4. Allow to steep. 5. Add 1 dropperful of the following Kidney/Bladder Tincture to each cup of this Herbal Tea. 6. Drink 1 - 2 cups of this Kidney/Bladder Tea/Tincture Combination in the EARLY Afternoon and EARLY Evening. Pearlmoon <pearlmoon@...> wrote:

Can I have the recipe for the kidney cleanse tea? Starting to feel shaky already.

Lynn

Suzi

What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

health/

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[Guest guest]

Thank you so much my dear Don and everyone here. I made it through my first

day without any drugs and am proud of myself. Still painful and a bit shaky

but still here. I will soak in Epsom salt in the morning and I have lots of

water and audio books. So I'm good. I'll write again tomorrow. Thank you

and everyone here for your support. Good night.

Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: " Don Eitner " <mysticalherbalist@...>

<health >

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:25 PM

Subject: Re: Don or Suzie or anyone " ? "

> Hi Lynn,

>

> You go girl. I am very glad that you have support around you. It will

> make a huge difference. Yes, do an epsom salt bath and head to bed. Plan

> on being in bed for many days to allow your bodily energy to assist with

> cleansing and removing of previously said toxins.

>

> After you come out the other side, then you can concentrate on cleaning

> up the diet even more and s..l..o..w..l..y begin an exercise regime that

> will allow you to move into building and strengthening the body. You

> have a very hard row to hoe but it isn't anything that you are not

> mentally/physically/spiritually prepared to deal with. Besides, you have

> a wonderful support group here and we will be here for you. You can

> email me privately or on list. Daily, every other day or whatever you

> feel like. I would certainly appreciate being updated on your condition

> and situation as it unfolds, transpires, changes, and whatever else it

> will do along with you.

>

> Just remember, rest and lots of it along with water are going to be your

> best friends for the next several weeks or longer. Get to know them

> intimately. If you wish to read while in bed then do so. Just try to

> stay as calm as possible.

>

> Keep me posted Lynn and we are all here to help in any way we can.

>

> In peace,

>

> Don 'Quai' Eitner

>

> " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the

> animal and wakes in man. "

>

> " To do good is like ascending a mountain; to do evil is as easy as

> following an avalanche. " Chinese Proverb

>

> Worry -- a God, invisible but omnipotent. It steals the bloom from the

> cheek and lightness from the pulse; it takes away the appetite, and

> turns the hair gray. - Disraeli

>

> Every decision you make - every decision - is not a decision about what

> to do. It's a decision about Who You Are. When you see this, when you

> understand it, everything changes. You begin to see life in a new way.

> All events, occurrences, and situations turn into opportunities to do

> what you came here to do. - Neale Walsch

>

> Pearlmoon wrote:

>> Hello Don

>>

>> Thank you for your reply. I live with my partner Rich and our son

>>

>> (21 yrs. old.) So I am not alone. I will do no exercise for about 2 to

>> 3

>> weeks. My diet has turned into an awful one, so I'm sure that has

>> something

>> to do with it as well as the drugs. I will drink plenty of water and eat

>> some fruit and veggies. I will do very little with myself so that I can

>> conserve my energy. Is it still alright to take an epsom salt bath

>> tonight?

>> I never feel better than after a bath or shower. I am already starting

>> to

>> feel the yawns and am stretching. That usually means my body wants more

>> drugs. That's how I feel when I need them. I have no doubt that it will

>> get worse. I'm sure I will be very shaky by tonight. That too is

>> starting

>> in small doses already. Thank you for your advise and I will let you

>> know

>> about my progress. I am determined to get through this. I never want to

>> take another drug as long as I live. And I want to live. I feel like I

>> will die within the next few years if I keep this up. (the drugs)

>>

>> Thank you again. I will talk to you tomorrow. I will try to email you

>> each

>> day. (if I can.)

>>

>> Love you

>> Lynn

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: " Don Eitner " <mysticalherbalist@...>

>> <health >

>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:39 AM

>> Subject: Re: Don or Suzie or anyone " ? "

>>

>>

>>

>>> Hi Lynn,

>>>

>>> Whew!!!

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thank you! I will be getting one of those small trampoline things just before Xmas. So I think that will help.

Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: SV

health

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:51 PM

Subject: Re: Don or Suzie or anyone "?"

Rebounding would be my suggestion for Lynn to open her lymph sites and release a bunch of junk caught in her lymph system from lack of exercise and the use of medications. You don't have to bounce vigorously, just a gentle up and down with your feet on the mat and hold on to a stabilizer bar. Even sitting on a rebounder and bouncing or having someone bounce behind you works.

Shari

[Guest guest]

and everyone.

Bad night. I ended up shaking so bad and was so soaking wet from sweat that poor Rich thought I was having a seizure and called 911. Even though I was answering him coherently and telling him I was not having one. Well he called anyway. He finally believed the paramedics when they told him that I wasn't having one. They took me to the hospital and the doc gave me something IV that within seconds took the shakes away and helped some of the pain. I was in too much of a state to even ask what that was. It worked awful fast. He then took both my hands and held them and told me he would write up a plan for me to come off the drugs a bit more slowly so that I wouldn't hurt my body. My heart was up over 100. A bit of tachycardia? It came right down though. They were all so good to me and said they usually get people like me "looking to get" more drugs not come off them. They were all so good to me and seemed to understand . They seemed happy with the fact that I was trying to come off rather than get more.

I realized after last night that I can't hurt myself like that so I will come off slowly as per that doc's plan. It does look like a good one but he said with the kind of back problem I have I might have to be on "something" the rest of my life. I really will try to get down to nothing and look for alternatives. I also have to improve my diet and exercise a bit. It's just so hard to move when it hurts and it's hard to move when I have those drugs in me. So now I'm fat. I can't stand it. So I'm really going to work on that. I'm going to let my body recover first from what I did to it yesterday.

I'll get off them. I will. It's just going to take more time than I had hoped. I hate the edema. BY that doc's plan it should take almost 3 to 4 months. So we'll see

Lynn

----- Original Message -----

From: Fieber

health

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:49 PM

Subject: Re: Don or Suzie or anyone "?"

Lynn

First, as a medical provider, I would not recommend that you try to fo off all of the narcotics at once. You will go into horrible withdrawls, which can do more damage than what you are already taking. You must wean off slowly as it may shut down other body systems. All the narcotics have a profound affect on the kidney's and that is what is causing all of the swelling, also the liver has to detoxify all of the meds as well and it is just revolting at this time due to the heavy concentration of narcotics. You must be very careful how you approcah this.

You will need to go thorugh multilple different cleanses and detoxification very slowly to rid your body of the heavy toxins.

----- Original Message -----

From: Pearlmoon

health

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:53 AM

Subject: Don or Suzie or anyone "?"

Most of you who know me know that I take some strong drugs for a back problem Four surgeries have failed to take away the pain. I have been taking oxycontin 10 mg about 6 to 8 tablets a day. Lortabs 10mg each 3 to 4 a day and muscle relaxers along withan antihistamine to enhance them and get them into my system faster. I heard from someone here that morphine eats away something in the body. I think it might be a protein or something? What was that? I am now starting with edema in both my feet and in my right lower leg and in my hands and more so in my right hand. Sometimes I cant even make a fist due to all the swelling. Could this be the drugs causing this? I (as a nurse) never thought of this until this morning. I have just taken my last dose of medication. I am going to go through withdrawals I know this. I am willing to do it. I don't care anymore. I feel like I am falling apart a piece at a time. And all the doctors want to do is give me another drug. I won't take even a single pill more. Can anyone here please tell me why I might be third spacing (or swelling with fluid) like this? I think it is the drugs and lack of exercise. It is difficult for me to move with all of this pain. Walking and going up and down the stairs is very difficult to begin with. Not to mention the weight I have gained. I have put on about 40 to 45 pounds in the last 5 years. I must start moving again, and eating better. In a couple of days I am going to see how I feel and start on my exercise bike even if if it only 5 or 10 minutes to start with. At least it's something. I am also going to get one of those small exercise trampolines with an handle on it so that I can try to run in place with out the impact and I will have the bar to hold on to. The running will be slow to start out to be sure. But I feel that with time I can improve. I have been through so much that it is starting to really get to me. This swelling is the last straw. Please Don, Sizie or anyone can you help me with some advise? I don't think I will be feeling too well for the next couple of weeks due to the withdrawals from the drugs. I am willing to go through it just to start to feel normal again. Even my fingers hurt. My knees and hips are killing me with pain. I know that sometimes when the body craves the oxycontin it can feel much pain from the drug leaving the system. I think that's what that is all from. Is it the morphine doing all of this to me? I think it might be. I could be wrong. Thank you all so much and I will wait for any kind of help.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Lynn, you might also try a castor oil pack on your liver.

Gayla

Always Enough Ranch

Acampo, California

http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html

Bill Barnhill is our Inspiration! Go Bill!!!

aeranch@...

----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

That will be much better and easier on you in the long run. You've been

on these for 5+ years now so another 3 or 4 months won't make that much

difference. Hang in there. Get to doing some light exercise and really

take a hard look at your diet. Your body is going to need all the living

food it can get and believe me it will make a difference.

Don

Pearlmoon wrote:

> and everyone.

>

> Bad night. I ended up shaking so bad and was so soaking wet from

> sweat that poor Rich thought I was having a seizure and called 911.

> Even though I was answering him coherently and telling him I was not

> having one. Well he called anyway. He finally believed the

> paramedics when they told him that I wasn't having one. They took me

> to the hospital and the doc gave me something IV that within seconds

> took the shakes away and helped some of the pain. I was in too much

> of a state to even ask what that was. It worked awful fast. He then

> took both my hands and held them and told me he would write up a plan

> for me to come off the drugs a bit more slowly so that I wouldn't hurt

> my body. My heart was up over 100. A bit of tachycardia? It came

> right down though. They were all so good to me and said they usually

> get people like me " looking to get " more drugs not come off them.

> They were all so good to me and seemed to understand . They seemed

> happy with the fact that I was trying to come off rather than get more.

>

> I realized after last night that I can't hurt myself like that so I

> will come off slowly as per that doc's plan. It does look like a good

> one but he said with the kind of back problem I have I might have to

> be on " something " the rest of my life. I really will try to get down

> to nothing and look for alternatives. I also have to improve my diet

> and exercise a bit. It's just so hard to move when it hurts and it's

> hard to move when I have those drugs in me. So now I'm fat. I can't

> stand it. So I'm really going to work on that. I'm going to let my

> body recover first from what I did to it yesterday.

>

> I'll get off them. I will. It's just going to take more time than I

> had hoped. I hate the edema. BY that doc's plan it should take

> almost 3 to 4 months. So we'll see

>

> Lynn

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* Fieber <mailto:pfieber@...>

> *To:* health

> <mailto:health >

> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2006 8:49 PM

> *Subject:* Re: Don or Suzie or anyone " ? "

>

> Lynn

>

> First, as a medical provider, I would not recommend that you try

> to fo off all of the narcotics at once. You will go into horrible

> withdrawls, which can do more damage than what you are already

> taking. You must wean off slowly as it may shut down other body

> systems. All the narcotics have a profound affect on the kidney's

> and that is what is causing all of the swelling, also the liver

> has to detoxify all of the meds as well and it is just revolting

> at this time due to the heavy concentration of narcotics. You

> must be very careful how you approcah this.

>

> You will need to go thorugh multilple different cleanses and

> detoxification very slowly to rid your body of the heavy toxins.

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* Pearlmoon <mailto:pearlmoon@...>

> *To:* health

> <mailto:health >

> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:53 AM

> *Subject:* Don or Suzie or anyone " ? "

>

> Most of you who know me know that I take some strong drugs for

> a back problem Four surgeries have failed to take away the

> pain. I have been taking oxycontin 10 mg about 6 to 8 tablets

> a day. Lortabs 10mg each 3 to 4 a day and muscle relaxers

> along withan antihistamine to enhance them and get them into

> my system faster. I heard from someone here that morphine

> eats away something in the body. I think it might be a protein

> or something? What was that? I am now starting with edema in

> both my feet and in my right lower leg and in my hands and

> more so in my right hand. Sometimes I cant even make a fist

> due to all the swelling. Could this be the drugs causing

> this? I (as a nurse) never thought of this until this

> morning. I have just taken my last dose of medication. I am

> going to go through withdrawals I know this. I am willing to

> do it. I don't care anymore. I feel like I am falling apart

> a piece at a time. And all the doctors want to do is give me

> another drug. I won't take even a single pill more. Can

> anyone here please tell me why I might be third spacing (or

> swelling with fluid) like this? I think it is the drugs and

> lack of exercise. It is difficult for me to move with all of

> this pain. Walking and going up and down the stairs is very

> difficult to begin with. Not to mention the weight I have

> gained. I have put on about 40 to 45 pounds in the last 5

> years. I must start moving again, and eating better. In a

> couple of days I am going to see how I feel and start on my

> exercise bike even if if it only 5 or 10 minutes to start

> with. At least it's something. I am also going to get one of

> those small exercise trampolines with an handle on it so that

> I can try to run in place with out the impact and I will have

> the bar to hold on to. The running will be slow to start out

> to be sure. But I feel that with time I can improve. I have

> been through so much that it is starting to really get to me.

> This swelling is the last straw. Please Don, Sizie or anyone

> can you help me with some advise? I don't think I will be

> feeling too well for the next couple of weeks due to the

> withdrawals from the drugs. I am willing to go through it

> just to start to feel normal again. Even my fingers hurt. My

> knees and hips are killing me with pain. I know that

> sometimes when the body craves the oxycontin it can feel much

> pain from the drug leaving the system. I think that's what

> that is all from. Is it the morphine doing all of this to

> me? I think it might be. I could be wrong. Thank you all so

> much and I will wait for any kind of help.

>

> Lynn

>

>