Re: Eft and God related Question

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> Hi,I have a question about EFT.I have been hearing about surrogate

> tapping long distance and aura and energy tapping and I was wondering

> if that is related to the New Age movement? I ask because in my mind I

> believe EFT is going against God's will,but I really want keep using

> it.I don't believe that surrogate tapping can actually heal someone

> unless you are using the name of Jesus or if it's witchcraft.I hope no

> one gets offended by my questions.I just been thinking about this for

> a while.Thank you for your time.

>

An interesting question. My work in Total Body Modification and

Natural Healing uses reflex muscle testing and acupressure-type

tapping. Because you see incredible, sometimes nearly miraculous

changes occur when working with these two disciplines, I have had

people call it " voodoo. " But you tell me, what true healing was meant

to be...allopathic drugs, surgery and burning parts of the body to

destroy disease or naturally releasing energy blocks that are in the

way of the body being able to communicate with itself and guide itself

back to health? Which uses negative, and which uses positive energy?

Think about it. With allopathic medicine you have doctors who make a

lot of money off of the diseases which they " treat " and rarely cure.

You have pharmaceutical companies suppressing natural alternative

therapies and pressing law-makers to outlaw (or at least make

virtually useless) supplements and vitamins. You have surgeons

cutting out parts of the body to " fix it " - something that rarely

actually causes improvement, and if it does, it is usually temporary

or causes other problems (such as taking the gallbladder substantially

reduces the body's ability to lubricate its joints, therefore tending

to increase tendancy toward arthritis)(rather than asking the patient

to increase water intake - gallbladder disease is almost always an

issue with dehydration). I type medical reports. Rarely do I see a

doctor recommend increasing water - they may say " increase fluids " but

that can be interpreted as sodas, coffee, tea - things that dehydrate

one more.

Now, you have EFT. A simple technique anybody can learn to use to

release energy blocks they have accumulated in the body. It's

available to learn for free, so anyone can afford it. It's powerful,

and has been shown to substantially help and often completely clear

many health issues - for free if you do it yourself, or at least at a

substantially lower cost if you have a practitioner use it on you,

compared to life-long need of follow-up with physicians, medication,

and blood and other screenings to follow the problem.

You tell me which one really is against God, allopathy or EFT?

As far as surrogate work goes. The entire universe is made of energy,

all connected. Intent has a lot to do with (in my opinion) good

versus bad. If you have pure intent and you are doing surrogate work

for a person and seeing changes in them, I think it is good. You are

connected to that person. There is an energy flow between you always,

be it good, bad or neutral.

Personally, I always have protection in place so nothing can come into

my energy that is not vibrating at least as high as me or higher.

That is one good way, in my opinion, to keep the " evil " or " negative "

from affecting one.

I mean you no offense, and I'm glad you asked the question. I know

there are many people who probably worry about whether or not there

are negative energies involved in EFT. And this is simply my take on it.

Kat

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Hi

You raise some interesting points but, before I go into it with you, I

wonder if you would be kind enough to explain where you got the idea

that EFT is going against God's will? What is it that you mean by 'New

Age' since lots of people have different ideas about it, or is it just

naturally 'bad'?

Your intention to be a force for good (as you understand it) plays a

big part in many of these energy modalities. Good intentions correlate

with good results.

INHO, you should not go any farther along this path until you have

resolved all these reservations.(You might even try tapping on them for

higher guidance). As an ordained minister, I too, at first, had

reservations but have come to believe that a loving Force - God, if you

will, would want us all to love one another and what better way to show

that love than by facilitating the healing process.

May the blessing of love be upon you

May its peace reside in you

May its presence illuminate your heart

And stay with you, evermore.

Rev. Ken Triplett

WELLNESS IN THE NEW AGE

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> Hi,I have a question about EFT.I have been hearing about surrogate

> tapping long distance and aura and energy tapping and I was wondering

> if that is related to the New Age movement? I ask because in my mind

I

> believe EFT is going against God's will,but I really want keep using

> it.I don't believe that surrogate tapping can actually heal someone

> unless you are using the name of Jesus or if it's witchcraft.I hope

no

> one gets offended by my questions.I just been thinking about this for

> a while.Thank you for your time.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,I have a question about EFT.I have been hearing about surrogate

> tapping long distance and aura and energy tapping and I was

> wondering if that is related to the New Age movement?

Dunno. I'm not sure what the 'New Age' movement is.

> I ask because in my mind I believe EFT is going against God's will,

> but I really want keep using it.

Why would you think that EFT is against God's will?

> I don't believe that surrogate tapping can actually heal someone

> unless you are using the name of Jesus or if it's witchcraft.

Beliefs are interesting things, aren't they. At one time the religious

establishment in Jerusalem didn't believe that Jesus was God's son.

And many carried that belief to their graves. Yet there were others

that were open to new ideas and beliefs -- some even became apostles.

My belief is that EFT is not witchcraft. With EFT you are working with

the energy system that God himself put into all humans. Quite frankly,

I feel that EFT is a gift from God that is used to ease the suffering

of many -- regardless of whether they're a Jew or Gentile, believer or

nonbeliever. While I don't see any problem or conflict in applying EFT

in the name of Jesus, how would it work if you were applying it to an

agnostic or atheist? To them, the whole concept of religion is irrelevant.

> I hope no one gets offended by my questions. I just been thinking

> about this for a while. Thank you for your time.

No offense taken. You see, I struggled with the same concern. To me,

nothing is more important that to please God and do his will and after

prayerful consideration, I concluded that EFT was O.K. There is

nothing about the technique that violates moral Christian principles.

While some may look at this and run away screaming 'witchcraft', I'd

just chalk it up to some silly old superstition. You will find that

there are a great many people who, for whatever reason, just can't

seem to wrap their brains around the concept of EFT. It's too new, too

fast, too whatever. My suggestion would be to pray for them and,

hopefully, God will open their minds.

Anywho, hope that helps...

-Jef

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Just had to chime in here.

I recently had an Amish client tell me that acupressure, muscle

testing and other techniques that bear striking similarity to EFT are

from the devil. My response was almost identical to Kat's. A few

minutes later, he began using tongue diagnosis on himself. He also

had his blood pressure taken on several occasions, yet considered

divining rods, which work on the same principle as " water witchery " .

Interesting where people draw the line. With him, it was almost as if

anything that would bring him bad news about his body was good.

Anything that offered non-invasive healing that he couldn't explain

was evil. I think it is part of the psychological reversal in all of

us that makes people want to believe this is against God's will. If

we believe that God is against it, then we have no reason to change

and can wallow in our own self-pity and avoid taking responsibility

for our actions. In some cases, we can destroy the very temple he

gave us to nurture. I'm not trying to offend anyone or challenge

anyone's faith. This is just my experience.

Adrienne

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hank you all for responding to my question.My apology for my late

reply.Kat,you make a good point about allopathy.That's part of the

reason why I don't like going to doctors.I feel that some like to

make money off of you just as long as you are sick.I still feel a

little funny about surrogate tapping.I'm not talking about talking

on that person for them but tapping while in the presence of that

person or tapping for an animal or taping for someone that is

several miles away.To me(esp. if they don't use God in the

statement) it sounds like demonic forces taking over.I may not be an

expert in the bible...or eft for that matter, but I know a little of

both to make it.I remembering reading somewhere about a woman using

eft (I forgot her name) where she beat a man in arm wrestling on a

radio station after using it.I don't know if this is true or not,but

if it is,then I have a hard time believing that she can all of a

sudden get hulked up and beat this radio dj.

Hi Patti,I will admit that I will have to look into my heart and

really see if this is right or not.I will say that EFT has not been

working for me as I want.I still have my issues, one being with Eft

being against God.I just don't want to waste years trying to improve

myself and never accomplish anything.

Hi ,I will pray about it tonight.

Rev. Ken Triplett,how's why I felt that Eft is going against God's

will.I remember seeing something about acupunture in a satanic book

at my library when I was younger.Acupunture deals with hitting the

pressure points or the energy points that you tap on right? Feel

free to correct me if I am wrong.This is slightly off topic bit yoga

comes from the New Age Movement, dealing with freeing the mind while

you breathe.If you free the mind,then you allow any forces to come

inside,even evil forces.Hypnosis is somewhat the same way.I remember

hearing somewhere about the origins of hypnosis going back to

witchcraft.Sorry about getting off topic.I remember reading about

acupunture being in the New Age Movement too,so that's probably why

I feel that EFT is against God.

Wade:It is possible that it was meant for me to find EFT.God may

have made it possible.

Marcia:Well,if you do start depending on one thing more than

God,which I have done by the way,then you are neglicting God.And

let's just say it was witchcraft.Combining that with Christianity

still makes it bad.That's just my belief.I wouldn't mind being

proven wrong and I wish I was.But I don't know....

Angi:I remember reading that about Craig.Thanks for bringing

that up.

Carol:You know,believe it or not.I have used a couple of Eft God

related phrases,but I found myself feeling silly or feeling like I

am trying to pervert the word of God.

Jef:Hi Jef,I like your point.I probably can't give much of an

argument to that since it's almost midnight,but I agree with what

you stated.

Sorry about the long post.I apologize to anyone if it seems like I

was arguing.I was just trying to state my feelings.I was going to

say something else,but due to a lack of sleep,I forgot.It will

probably come back to me later.

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> Thank you all for responding to my question.My apology for my late

> reply.

No problem and you certainly have no need to apologize )

> To me (esp. if they don't use God in the statement) it sounds like

> demonic forces taking over.

Again, it all depends on the situation you're dealing with. It'd be

hard to invoke God's name when working with an unbeliever. While it

would be encouraging and soothing to a fellow Christian to bring God

into the equation, an unbeliever may be offended by it. And the whole

point of using EFT on anyone is to heal both new and old wounds.

Compassion and understanding is key here and is something that

develops with time and experience.

> I remembering reading somewhere about a woman using eft (I forgot

> her name) where she beat a man in arm wrestling on a radio station

> after using it.I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is,

> then I have a hard time believing that she can all of a sudden get

> hulked up and beat this radio dj.

Here's the link for that:

http://www.tapintoheaven.com/2Articles/armwres.shtml

If you search around the net, you'll find cases where people have

lifted cars off of their spouses/children in emergency situations. The

point is is that size doesn't matter. If you've ever tangled with a

spider monkey you'll understand my point. These critters are as thin

as a pencil and yet can shread you in a heartbeat. Size of a muscle

doesn't necessarily mean strength.

> I will say that EFT has not been working for me as I want.I still

> have my issues, one being with Eft being against God.

Are you being specific? One of the biggest problems that a newcomer

faces is that they are not being specific enough. When approaching an

issue, I look at it like a stone wall. And within that wall are the

many individual stones that make up it's construction. The key to

tearing down this wall is not to rush headlong into it and hope it

falls down. The key is to attack each individual stone within that

wall. With enough stones removed, the wall will eventually collapse.

The individual stones I mentioned are the different aspects that we

face when dealing with the bigger issues such as depression, PTSD,

abuse, etc. Sure, you could go headlong into them, but it's far more

effective (and advisable) to deal with the individual aspects of the

issue and collapse them one at a time. When you think about the issue

that you are having, what are the emotions that come up? If you work

on those that pop up, you'll find that you progress at a much faster pace.

> I just don't want to waste years trying to improve myself and never

> accomplish anything.

Welcome to the club ;O)

> Wade: It is possible that it was meant for me to find EFT. God may

> have made it possible.

God works is ways that are sometimes beyond our realm of comprehension.

> Marcia: Well, if you do start depending on one thing more than

> God, which I have done by the way, then you are neglicting God.

Again, welcome to the club. We have all been guilty of that one time

or another. The key is to recognize it, change course, ask

forgiveness, and move on. Sometimes the hardest thing a person can do

is to forgive themselves for making a mistake -- myself especially. If

God freely forgives, why is it so hard for us to forgive ourselves? I

chalk it up to human imperfection.

> And let's just say it was witchcraft. Combining that with

> Christianity still makes it bad. That's just my belief. I wouldn't

> mind being proven wrong and I wish I was. But I don't know....

If you think about it, any tool can be abused. You can use a hammer to

construct a home for your neighbor or you can use it to knock holes in

your neighbor's skull. Does that make the tool itself evil or bad? No.

It's the operator of the tool who's bad or evil, not the tool itself.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water...

> Carol: You know, believe it or not. I have used a couple of Eft God

> related phrases, but I found myself feeling silly or feeling like I

> am trying to pervert the word of God.

" Even though I have this fear of displeasing God, I choose to allow

his holy spirit to guide me. "

I found this one to be particularly energizing for me. It was after

using this setup phrase that I knew that I was on the right path. It

was like the heavens opened up and the feeling I got just can't be put

into words.

> Jef: Hi Jef, I like your point. I probably can't give much of an

> argument to that since it's almost midnight, but I agree with what

> you stated.

Cool! It's nice to know that I didn't screw up ;O) Hey, feel free to

e-mail me. My door is always open.

> Sorry about the long post. I apologize to anyone if it seems like I

> was arguing.

Don't know about anyone else, but I think you raised some important

points and it was, to me at least, very timely. I suspect that a lot

of Christians are in the same boat, so discussions like this are

important to dispell uncertainties surrounding EFT.

-Jef

[Guest guest]

Below is an article by Larry Nims about Christian concerns and EFT and

Hypnosis. I am a Certified Hypnotherapist and EFT Practitioner and

God is definitely the healing force in every second of my work.

I always find it strange that people will go to a medical doctor,

allow themselves to be subjected to physical violation with damaging

tests and synthetic drugs, even to the point of drug addiction to

taking pills on a daily basis and then wonder if it is against God to

use God's own healing powers to heal themselves naturally from within!

As far as hypnosis, if you've have ever watched TV, listened to a

political leader, paid attention to your Pastor or religious leader,

then guess what! You have been hypnotised! If you've read the Bible

and are focused and captivated, then you have been hypnotized! If

you've ever closed your eyes and enjoyed the sounds of nature, a song,

a quiet moment, then you have used hypnosis!

Here is a link to Chaplin Durbins website and his views on

hypnosis and religion: http://www.durbinhypnosis.com/hypnosisreligion.htm

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Christian Concerns About EFT and Energy Psychology Therapies

By Dr. Larry Nims of http://www.besetfreefast.com/

Many Christians are, understandably, concerned about innovative

counseling methods such as EFT or Instant BE SET FREE FAST (BSFF), and

other more traditional approaches like various types of hypnosis,

psychotherapy, and a variety of healing methods.

Some are concerned that virtually any kind of psychological counseling

is un-Christian, demonic, occult, New Age, humanistic, etc. Of course,

these approaches are clearly not of God. They are man-centered and/or

Satan-centered.

I am writing to help concerned Christians put this in Biblical

perspective, and to reassure you that there is nothing inherently

unchristian about any of psychology method.

The term " psychology " comes from the Greek words " psyche " (soul) and

" logos " (the study of). Thus, psychology means " the study of the soul. "

Like so many of the discoveries in science, medicine, physics,

education, etc., anything can be used for good or for evil. A mature

Christian will be committed to using any method only for good, and do

so under God's direction and empowerment.

I am an ordained Christian Minister since 1988 and a licensed Clinical

Psychologist with 30 years professional experience in Psychology. I am

born again and totally committed to following God in my profession.

As such, I have no problems with any treatments that involve the use

of the subconscious mind (in the form of EFT, BSFF, hypnotherapy,

medicine, chiropractic and many other practices that are dedicated to

helping people).

When ethical, experienced, conscientious and skilled professionals who

are working in their areas of expertise apply any method, God can and

does use them " for good to those that are the called, according to His

purpose. "

Energy psychology therapies are a gift from, and are being used by,

our God.

EFT and BSFF are wonderful gifts to all of us from our Lord. They are

very helpful adjuncts to any professional practice in the physical

health or mental health fields.

They can also remove subconscious blocks to " fervent and effectual

prayer, " to knowing God, hearing from and obeying God, and being fully

available to God. These blocks, I believe, are programmed into us from

birth by " the prince of the power of the air " (Satan) who holds sway

over our cultures and our world.

We, as Christians, are commanded by Christ to " take back the land "

that the enemy has stolen from us, and to " occupy until He comes. "

This includes removing the strongholds and bondages that the enemy has

set up in our conscious and subconscious minds, our emotions, our

bodies, and our spirits. That is what Energy Psychology therapies

helps us to do, and what it teaches people to do for themselves.

EFT and BSFF does not make anyone do anything new or different. It

simply sets them free to have a true choice about things that

previously have been operating on " automatic pilot " under the control

of their subconscious mind. In other words, they are freer to hear

from and to follow God's leading in their life.

Sadly, the stigma of stage show hypnosis, humanistic psychology, and

much misinformation about the human subconscious mind seems to taint

everything about the psyche in the minds of many people (including

many of my fellow Christians).

This unfortunate misinformation creates undue fears and suspicions of

some methods being used by truly dedicated and qualified professional

counselors, hypnotherapists and other professionals who are committed

to providing help for hurting humans.

Just as with medicine and many other helping professions, God uses

even the unsaved to help Christians. So, If we keep ourselves under

His covering and pray for His wisdom and guidance, and for

discernment, we can make good choices about from whom we accept help.

Also, we need to use our authority over the works of the devil to keep

him at bay in all of these things, and to effectively resist his

efforts to deceive and entrap us.

Again, " all good things come from God, " but anything can be used for

good or evil. It really is up to us to be wise about whom we choose

for help in any area of life.

Satan uses fear to thwart God's plans for His people.

My heart aches because fears about psychology, counseling, and so many

wonderful tools are kept from people by our subconscious programming

to be afraid of them.

This stops people from getting excellent help with a number of

effective treatment methods, including EFT, BSFF, chiropractic,

acupuncture, hypnosis and many excellent tools that have been brought

forth by God to help mankind BE SET FREE.

This serves Satan's purpose very well. It keeps people in fearful

bondage, where he can manipulate them to undermine God's plan and His

work in their lives. Some of Satan's chief ways to control us are the

manipulation of fear, shame and guilt. EFT and BSFF eliminate these

destructive and limiting feelings quite easily.

Remember, the Word says, " We are not given the spirit of fear, but of

power and love and of a sound, well-ordered, and disciplined mind. "

We do not operate that way very much (free of fear) because we have

been subconsciously programmed to be fearful about many, many things.

This prevents us from learning and growing, psychologically and

spiritually, and living life abundantly, as God intended.

Such fears, often held subconsciously, provide the mechanisms for the

devil to manipulate us without our consciously realizing it. That is,

he operates in the dark, and our subconscious is a huge area of

darkness in our minds.

That is why it is called the subconscious, or unconscious. We simply

do not know what is in there most of the time. But, the devil does

know, since he had everything to do with programming it in us. He

began this process almost from our birth -- before we had any

awareness that this was happening within us.

The devil wants to keep it that way, so that he can operate with

impunity, under cover of that darkness. He can confuse us, stir up

self-doubt and doubt about God, and scare us into not looking into

this darkness, rather than bringing everything into the light.

In this way he can stop us from doing anything about this darkness.

Then he is free to manipulate us to serve his desires and not God's

God says " The children of the light run to the light. " But the

children of darkness prefer to stay in the dark. The Holy Spirit in us

is always trying to bring us out into the light where we can be free

in Christ.

" For he who is free in Christ is free indeed! " Our Lord gave His life

in the most horrible way imaginable to " set the captives free. " He

gave all Christians, including those of us in the healing arts that

mandate as well.

We are to help people to be set free. That is specifically what EFT

and BSFF are designed to help people accomplish. EFT and BSFF do not

make people do anything new. It sets them free to have a truly

flexible choice-in contrast to being controlled by subconscious

programming from the past.

" Taking captivity captive " with Jesus.

That's it, my precious brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. We are

those captives. Not because we chose to be. This programming started

in the early months of our lives. We couldn't know what was being

implanted into our subconscious minds.

But, as adults it is our task to " take back the land " that the devil

has usurped (stolen) from us. With God's direction and empowerment,

and with the help of Godly counselors, we have everything we need to

" occupy until He comes. "

Our primary task in life is to get ourselves out of God's way, to

yield everything to Him. Then He can do more and more of what He wants

to do for us and through us. As we get more and more free, He will

take us " from Glory to Glory " on this amazing journey with Him.

We are in bondage to far more than we consciously realize. God wants

us all to be totally free in Christ. I am dedicating my life to

helping people in this task -- at the psychological (soul) level and

at the spiritual level.

God is spreading these methods worldwide. I encourage and entreat you

to avail yourself of this help in becoming more and more free.

Kindly read the excellent article on " The Hidden Chambers " by

Missler, to see how extensively the Bible acknowledges the

subconscious as a very important part of we human beings.

There is much we need to know about this amazing mental apparatus that

God gave to each one of us. With EFT and BSFF we now have wonderful

tools to help us clear out much earlier programming (darkness) that is

blocking God in our lives.

We need to understand how God uses our mind, both the conscious and

the subconscious mind. Equally important is learning to recognize how

Satan uses it against us and against God, and how we can take

effective authority over our enemy and " occupy the land " that God gave

us.

If we are to become the Christian " overcomers " that we are given the

opportunity to be; and the " more than conquerors " that God intends us

to be, in Christ, then we need excellent help to BE SET FREE.

God uses both Christians and non-Christians to help us in the mental

health field, as well as throughout every area of human experience and

need.

God has revealed the methods of BSFF to me over the past eleven years.

He continues to guide me in spreading this amazing tool worldwide.

This is His work, and I am so blessed to be doing it under His guidance.

I encourage everyone to avail themselves of these marvelous counseling

and treatment tools. God made us such that we can benefit enormously

from these new understandings (from Him) of how to receive elegant

help with the bondages, problems and disturbances of our lives.

He has chosen to reveal these things to us at this time. This is a

fantastic advance in helping we captives to BE SET FREE. What a

wonderful gift! What a wonderful Savior!

There is so much new freedom and " newness of life " that God wants you

to have through using these methods. I hope that you will reach for

that help. God bless you as He unfolds His wonderful plan for your

life. May you walk in that path victoriously.

In His love and power your servant,

Larry Nims, Ph.D.

PS: You can read my testimony about how God led me to BSFF, and also,

my " position paper " about my Christian ministry ( " Practical

Christianity; Beyond Psychology " ). I invite you to read both of these

to get an understanding of God's hand in bringing forth these

wonderful new methods for helping hurting and wounded people in the

body of Christ.

I also invite you to read " The Terrible Costs of Unforgiveness "

article on the BSFF website. It is written to a general audience. Yet

I am sure that you will see the Lord's hand in that paper. If you

would like to have a copy of my paper titled " Resolving Anger and

Unforgiveness in Christians " just email me and request it.

At the end of each counseling session with all of my Christian

clients, I ask them to say the prayer of confession and repentance in

this paper. The prayer focuses on the sinful attitudes and actions

that were involved in each of the problems that were treated with BSFF

in the session, and it invites the Lord to occupy these places and be

the Lord of them instead of the client. I always encourage Christians

to use this prayer every time they do any BSFF treatments on their own

or in my office.

How I wish I could do this with everyone-those non-Christians, too.

But, of course they cannot pray to God in the Name Jesus and be

forgiven. But, I can help them to get freer and freer, and pray that

this will enable them to make contact with God so that they will join

us in the body of Christ.

PPS: I have long been convinced that our biggest task in life is to

get ourselves out of God's way, so that He can do the work that He

wants to do in us, and through us all. BE SET FREE FAST is an elegant

tool from Him to help accomplish that enormous task. BSFF helps to

" set the captives free! " Then God can work His Divine Plan in our

lives; and, then we can truly receive the blessings that He has for

each one of us. Praise His Name!

Article by Larry Nims

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[Guest guest]

Hi Adrienne,you may have hitten the nail on the head.I think I do

have psychological reversal when it comes to my beliefs.I remember

getting acupunture a while back and I slightly remember two spots

where the gentlemen put the needles at.One was at my left or right

forearm and I begin to laugh uncontrollably for a short while.The

second one he put on the side of my foot and after he finally took

all of them out I remember feeling a warm tingling feeling in my

foot.Kind of off topic,but I wouldn't consider it witchcraft at the

time.I stated in another post that acupunture,yoga,etc came from the

New Age Movement...thus being related to witchcraft.Which is why I

thought EFT was related close to that in a way.

>

> Just had to chime in here.

>

> I recently had an Amish client tell me that acupressure, muscle

> testing and other techniques that bear striking similarity to EFT

are

> from the devil. My response was almost identical to Kat's. A few

> minutes later, he began using tongue diagnosis on himself. He

also

> had his blood pressure taken on several occasions, yet considered

> divining rods, which work on the same principle as " water

witchery " .

> Interesting where people draw the line. With him, it was almost as

if

> anything that would bring him bad news about his body was good.

> Anything that offered non-invasive healing that he couldn't

explain

> was evil. I think it is part of the psychological reversal in all

of

> us that makes people want to believe this is against God's will.

If

> we believe that God is against it, then we have no reason to

change

> and can wallow in our own self-pity and avoid taking

responsibility

> for our actions. In some cases, we can destroy the very temple he

> gave us to nurture. I'm not trying to offend anyone or challenge

> anyone's faith. This is just my experience.

>

> Adrienne

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Jef,thanks for the link.I knew I saw it somewhere.Thought I

was making it up in my head after a while due to a lack of

sleep,lol.I will agree with you that size doesn't mean anything.

I might not have been specfic on some of the problems.My problem

or problems I should say, is that I find myself losing patience or

switching to another problem and tapping if I don't get the results

I want.Also,I have a hard time getting riled up or targeting the

problem in my mind when I am tapping.

If something arises at that minute,I am either surrounded by alot

of people or unable to tap at that moment.I would have to literally

live thru some of the experiences before I can really feel the

intensity and start to tap.Maybe I do have a hard time forgiving

myself if I have made a mistake.It's something I need to work on.But

sometimes I just get tired of making mistakes.I had to laugh about

the hammer example.

I guess I just have a sick mind(actually I am a mild-mannered

guy),but that was a very good example and I agree with it.I will

have to use that EFT statement later on tonight.Thanks.Appreciate

the response.

> >

> > Thank you all for responding to my question.My apology for my

late

> > reply.

>

> No problem and you certainly have no need to apologize )

>

> > To me (esp. if they don't use God in the statement) it sounds

like

> > demonic forces taking over.

>

> Again, it all depends on the situation you're dealing with. It'd be

> hard to invoke God's name when working with an unbeliever. While it

> would be encouraging and soothing to a fellow Christian to bring

God

> into the equation, an unbeliever may be offended by it. And the

whole

> point of using EFT on anyone is to heal both new and old wounds.

> Compassion and understanding is key here and is something that

> develops with time and experience.

>

> > I remembering reading somewhere about a woman using eft (I forgot

> > her name) where she beat a man in arm wrestling on a radio

station

> > after using it.I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is,

> > then I have a hard time believing that she can all of a sudden

get

> > hulked up and beat this radio dj.

>

> Here's the link for that:

> http://www.tapintoheaven.com/2Articles/armwres.shtml

>

> If you search around the net, you'll find cases where people have

> lifted cars off of their spouses/children in emergency situations.

The

> point is is that size doesn't matter. If you've ever tangled with a

> spider monkey you'll understand my point. These critters are as

thin

> as a pencil and yet can shread you in a heartbeat. Size of a muscle

> doesn't necessarily mean strength.

>

> > I will say that EFT has not been working for me as I want.I

still

> > have my issues, one being with Eft being against God.

>

> Are you being specific? One of the biggest problems that a newcomer

> faces is that they are not being specific enough. When approaching

an

> issue, I look at it like a stone wall. And within that wall are the

> many individual stones that make up it's construction. The key to

> tearing down this wall is not to rush headlong into it and hope it

> falls down. The key is to attack each individual stone within that

> wall. With enough stones removed, the wall will eventually

collapse.

>

> The individual stones I mentioned are the different aspects that we

> face when dealing with the bigger issues such as depression, PTSD,

> abuse, etc. Sure, you could go headlong into them, but it's far

more

> effective (and advisable) to deal with the individual aspects of

the

> issue and collapse them one at a time. When you think about the

issue

> that you are having, what are the emotions that come up? If you

work

> on those that pop up, you'll find that you progress at a much

faster pace.

>

> > I just don't want to waste years trying to improve myself and

never

> > accomplish anything.

>

> Welcome to the club ;O)

>

> > Wade: It is possible that it was meant for me to find EFT. God

may

> > have made it possible.

>

> God works is ways that are sometimes beyond our realm of

comprehension.

>

> > Marcia: Well, if you do start depending on one thing more than

> > God, which I have done by the way, then you are neglicting God.

>

> Again, welcome to the club. We have all been guilty of that one

time

> or another. The key is to recognize it, change course, ask

> forgiveness, and move on. Sometimes the hardest thing a person can

do

> is to forgive themselves for making a mistake -- myself

especially. If

> God freely forgives, why is it so hard for us to forgive

ourselves? I

> chalk it up to human imperfection.

>

> > And let's just say it was witchcraft. Combining that with

> > Christianity still makes it bad. That's just my belief. I

wouldn't

> > mind being proven wrong and I wish I was. But I don't know....

>

> If you think about it, any tool can be abused. You can use a

hammer to

> construct a home for your neighbor or you can use it to knock

holes in

> your neighbor's skull. Does that make the tool itself evil or bad?

No.

> It's the operator of the tool who's bad or evil, not the tool

itself.

> Don't throw the baby out with the bath water...

>

> > Carol: You know, believe it or not. I have used a couple of Eft

God

> > related phrases, but I found myself feeling silly or feeling

like I

> > am trying to pervert the word of God.

>

> " Even though I have this fear of displeasing God, I choose to allow

> his holy spirit to guide me. "

>

> I found this one to be particularly energizing for me. It was after

> using this setup phrase that I knew that I was on the right path.

It

> was like the heavens opened up and the feeling I got just can't be

put

> into words.

>

> > Jef: Hi Jef, I like your point. I probably can't give much of an

> > argument to that since it's almost midnight, but I agree with

what

> > you stated.

>

> Cool! It's nice to know that I didn't screw up ;O) Hey, feel free

to

> e-mail me. My door is always open.

>

> > Sorry about the long post. I apologize to anyone if it seems

like I

> > was arguing.

>

> Don't know about anyone else, but I think you raised some important

> points and it was, to me at least, very timely. I suspect that a

lot

> of Christians are in the same boat, so discussions like this are

> important to dispell uncertainties surrounding EFT.

>

> -Jef

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,I want to thank you for that wonderful article you have

posted from BSFF.I have to agree and even laugh at your statement

about being hypnotized by leaders and etc.Thank you also for that

hypnosis link.I will have to look into that.

[Guest guest]

Hi Again

Thanks for your post. It is actually a good thing to question

everything, at any rate, that is what the Buddha said we should all

do. It does seem that you have embraced some ideas about things that

you have not yet sufficiently explored enough to justify

crystallizing your position such as, witchcraft, satanism, yoga, New

Age, acupuncture, the nature of good and evil, who you are relative

to your belief in a Divine Being, your pupose in this

dimension,enlightenment, etc. A good start here would be to plug

these phrases into your internet search engine and read carefully.

It might even be a good idea to start a journal, if you have not

already done so, describing your insights as you progress. It will

probably surprise you to go back to these writings at a future time

to see how your thinking may have changed. Also, go to the spiritual

literature of the great thinkers in your chosen religion - how do

these ideas correspond to your own understandings? If you are a

Christian, read the Bible and its interpretations. The same goes for

other religiously bent souls - in their own religion. Read about

other religious pursuasions too, Muslim, Hebrew, Zoroastrian, Hindu,

Buddhist,pagan, etc. Above all, think and feel independently, which

means taking responsibility for your own face. Of course, you

realize that this is a lifelong study but well worth the effort. If

you want to be a healer then ask for Divine guidance and that

guidance will inevitably come to you in ways that will surprise and

delight you - all in keeping with your soul purpose. Keep your

intentions positive, friendly, sincere, helpful and go forth,

learning and experimenting. Only good can come from such a path.

Trust the Force who put you here to see you through.

Blessed be

Rev. Ken Triplett, Healer

> Rev. Ken Triplett,how's why I felt that Eft is going against God's

> will.I remember seeing something about acupunture in a satanic

book

> at my library when I was younger.Acupunture deals with hitting the

> pressure points or the energy points that you tap on right? Feel

> free to correct me if I am wrong.This is slightly off topic bit

yoga

> comes from the New Age Movement, dealing with freeing the mind

while

> you breathe.If you free the mind,then you allow any forces to come

> inside,even evil forces.Hypnosis is somewhat the same way.I

remember

> hearing somewhere about the origins of hypnosis going back to

> witchcraft.Sorry about getting off topic.I remember reading about

> acupunture being in the New Age Movement too,so that's probably

why

> I feel that EFT is against God.

[Guest guest]

This is a great thread you have started here. So interesting to see what

everyone's

responses are. I love the overall support and lack of condescending tones.... I

must say

that I am no expert in EFT, but when Craig talks about psychological

reversal on the

DVDs it really hits home. Especially on the Basic set where one depressed woman

gets on

stage and insists that it won't work for her.

That said, I can totally appreciate your point of view and how part of your

brain might peer

into EFT to the point that it makes you uncomfortable. One other point I tried

to drive

home to this Amish guy is that there is no harm in educating oneself and

benefiting from

something we don't understand. Many people who believe in God, for example,

cannot

precisely explain him, yet they study the Bible. Furthermore, if you ask 10

people to define

God, I'm sure you'd get 10 different answers. Doesn't mean that God is evil or

not worthy

of worship (NOT suggesting we worship EFT!). Fear of the unknown and denouncing

it as

bad, evil or devil-worship without trying to learn more about it has more often

than not in

my opinion had bad results. It is exactly what incited the Inquisition, war,

slavery, and

modern-day racism. Even if one evenutally decides that EFT is not for him/her,

at least

taking the time to learn it for all its benefits and shortcomings will put that

person far

ahead of the person who dismisses it and chooses to judge and even curse it

based on

ignorance.

Peace,

Adrienne

>

> Hi Adrienne,you may have hitten the nail on the head.I think I do

> have psychological reversal when it comes to my beliefs.I remember

> getting acupunture a while back and I slightly remember two spots

> where the gentlemen put the needles at.One was at my left or right

> forearm and I begin to laugh uncontrollably for a short while.The

> second one he put on the side of my foot and after he finally took

> all of them out I remember feeling a warm tingling feeling in my

> foot.Kind of off topic,but I wouldn't consider it witchcraft at the

> time.I stated in another post that acupunture,yoga,etc came from the

> New Age Movement...thus being related to witchcraft.Which is why I

> thought EFT was related close to that in a way.

[Guest guest]

Hi mixeddudetx,

I don't post much, but I have been following your question and all the

answers you have gotten. I just wanted to give my two cents too!

I have been working with EFT on myself since last July, and had some

success, enough to make me keep at it. We have been taking my 2 kids

to a chiropractor for allergy treatments, and at an apt he confirmed

what I had been suspecting, that a lot of my daughter's issues were

her mirroring my own emotions. This made me dive into EFT with much

more committment, and I was again seeing some progress. Then I got so

frustrated with their allergies and the fact that it seemed like we

would never be through with them, and I asked God to please take away

their allergies (something I had never done before, not real sure

why). Anyway, the next day, I was reading through one of Dayu's

article-type posts (Thank you so much Dayu!) about DNA activation,

which I really wasn't interested in but I was reading nonetheless. And

I came across this:

" Running In " Safe Mode "

by Rev. Bethney Steadman

I've found one of the best ways to identify buried negative core-

beliefs is by using the body as a pendulum in a method I call

the " lean test " thereby circumventing the conscious mind. This is done

quite simply by stating a belief and then noticing if your body leans

forward (yes) or backward (no).

The lean need not be dramatic. The trick I've found is that you need

to make sure you are fully hydrated. To determine if you are hydrated,

begin by asking your body a question you know the answer to, such

as " my name is Bethney " or " I am a woman. " Once you get a forward-yes

lean then you know you are hydrated and can begin testing yourself .

Other muscle-testing methods also work well, such as a pendulum, or

the classic finger-pulling or arm-pushing.

Here's a very brief list of common negative core-beliefs. Muscle-test

yourself to see how you do. The answers may surprise you:

YES

NO

I hate myself

YES

NO

I am undeserving

YES

NO

I am alone

YES

NO

I am unhealthy

YES

NO

I took an oath/vow of poverty

YES

NO

I am crying inside

YES

NO

Life is a struggle

YES

NO

Lessons are painful

YES

NO

I am a victim

YES

NO

I can't lose weight

YES

NO

Sex is shameful

YES

NO

I hate my body

YES

NO

I hate wo/men

YES

NO

I doubt myself

YES

NO

God has abandoned me

YES

NO

It's wrong to be happy

YES

NO

It is hard to change

YES

NO

I want to die

YES

NO

God hates me

YES

NO

I hate my parents

YES

NO

I hate my spouse/lover

YES

NO

I hate my child/ren

YES

NO

Money is the root of all evil

YES

NO

I am not good enough

YES

NO

No one wants me

YES

NO

I am a burden to others

YES

NO

The world is better off without me

YES

NO

I am ugly

YES

NO

I am bad

YES

NO

I deserve to be punished "

I went through the list, tested myself, and tapped on anything that

was negative. Afterwards I felt like such a weight had been lifted

from me! I was actually able to imagine my son eating pizza,

something I have never been able to imagine before. Some of the

things I have had to go back and re-tap because I discovered I was

reversed (like I felt I didn't deserve to be happy so no amount of

tapping would help, I wanted to continue repressing my emotions, I

didn't want to recognize that I had any power- even the power of love,

etc.) I feel like God answered my prayer to heal my children not by

waving His hand and fixing them, but by giving me the ability to

discover through muscle testing just what has made me so messed up- to

prevent me from doing the same thing to them, and EFT to help me get

rid of the block so He can heal that issue. This has been such a

journey of discovery, both of myself and them, and I feel like I can

actually LET God in, where I know before I was locking him out. I

believed in Him and went to church and all, but I was afraid, or felt

unworthy, to really let Him in. You know that picture of Jesus

knocking at the garden door, where there is no door knob on the

outside? EFT has helped me to allow myself to open that door by

helping me get rid of all those reversals. It still isn't open all

the way, I'm working on that, but I don't think I could have gotten

this far without it!

One way I can tell if I'm reversed when tapping on something is I

start to have trouble breathing, like I can't take a full breath. It

feels like the start of an asthma attack. And sometimes the right

side of my chest, in the same place as my sore spot on the left, will

start to tingle. And if I don't stop my chest/arm will start to

tingle too. Don't know if anyone else experiences this, but I thought

I'd share in case it would help.

Good luck!

>

> Hi Adrienne,you may have hitten the nail on the head.I think I do

> have psychological reversal when it comes to my beliefs.