NATURAL DRUG-FREE HEALING pdf files

October 22, 2006

Hi all,

I was looking on the internet for some good and specific directions on

how to most effectively do a water fast at home. You know, like, how

much water, how often, ... Anyway, during my search, I came across this

web site:

http://thelifescience.org/freedownload/

from which I downloaded all 5 of the PDF files, and I have been reading

them. I have found them very interesting, and would be interested in any

comments. For example, the article " With 3 Generations of Vegetarian

Hygienists " discusses problems with too much fruit in the diet, as well

as the need for some people to use such things as cooked vegetables

and/or egg yolks to restore natural flora to the bowels before a fully

raw diet can be effective. And in the article " REMARKABLE RECOVERIES

FROM SEVERE HEALTH PROBLEMS " , the European practice of using vegetable

juice fasting rather than water fasting is discussed. The article says

that while water fasting puts the person into bed rest, that person may

be able to maintain a normal schedule while using vegetable juicing.

I have found these articles very interesting, and thought I'd pass along

the site so that you can read them, too.

TerriLynne

October 22, 2006

Hi TerriLynne,

For whom are you looking for this information for and for what purpose?

In other words, why does this person or you wish to fast and what are

you trying to solve by fasting? If you are looking to fast just because

it might be interesting, don't waste your time. That is not what the

purpose of a fast is for.

As for how much water to drink? Drink only when you are thirsty. This is

how man should drink anyway at any time. There is no set amount. Now

just to clarify, drinking juice is _*NOT*_ fasting. Drinking anything

other than pure clean water is not fasting in the true sense of the

term. Doing anything other than lying in bed while fasting is a waste of

a good fast. Why bother? The whole purpose of fasting is to shut down as

many metabolic systems as possible in order to free up those energies

for healing. This will not happen on a juice cleanse. Notice the

terminology here. Yes, cleansing will happen on a juice cleanse as will

healing but it will take much longer. However, it is all about choice

really.

As for the concept of needing to eat cooked veggies & /or egg yolks to

repopulate the digestive system before one can eat fruits, HOGWASH.

Cooked veggies have no flora on them because it has all been cooked to

death. Same with egg yolks. Natural raw fruits (when I say fruits I

always mean biologically classified fruits - ie...cucumbers, squashes,

melons, common fruits, avocados, tomatoes, zucchini, etc.) will supply

all the necessary nutrition that the beneficial bacteria of the gut will

need. They will never get this from cooked food. A raw diet will always

be effective no matter what. It will always be better than a cooked food

diet, always and will always be more beneficial to the organism as a whole.

Cooked foods do not restore anything in the human organism, cooked foods

are only detrimental to the human organism. Raw living foods are the

only foods that humans were ever meant to eat and should ever eat.

Okay, well, I hope this does not come through as being critical or harsh

as that was not my intention. I think it is wonderful TerriLynne, that

you are beginning to educate yourself on these issues. I really mean

that. Please don't take this as anything other than my trying to set the

record straight here and forgive me if I sound harsh at all.

In peace TerriLynne,

Don

TerriLynne wrote:

> Hi all,

> I was looking on the internet for some good and specific directions on

> how to most effectively do a water fast at home. You know, like, how

> much water, how often, ... Anyway, during my search, I came across this

> web site:

>

> http://thelifescience.org/freedownload/

>

> from which I downloaded all 5 of the PDF files, and I have been reading

> them. I have found them very interesting, and would be interested in any

> comments. For example, the article " With 3 Generations of Vegetarian

> Hygienists " discusses problems with too much fruit in the diet, as well

> as the need for some people to use such things as cooked vegetables

> and/or egg yolks to restore natural flora to the bowels before a fully

> raw diet can be effective. And in the article " REMARKABLE RECOVERIES

> FROM SEVERE HEALTH PROBLEMS " , the European practice of using vegetable

> juice fasting rather than water fasting is discussed. The article says

> that while water fasting puts the person into bed rest, that person may

> be able to maintain a normal schedule while using vegetable juicing.

>

> I have found these articles very interesting, and thought I'd pass along

> the site so that you can read them, too.

>

> TerriLynne

>

October 22, 2006

We have seen on this list reference made to a person

who went to a clinic in Mexico, and then came home to die. I am guessing

that the Mexican clinic may well have been raw food and herbs, perhaps

even some kind of fasting.

You may be referring to my co-worker who has cancer and went to a hospital in Mexico. No, it wasn't a raw hospital, although juices were an important part of their program. However, due to the location of the tumor she was unable to swallow and couldn't eat or drink anything.

I understand the logic behind raw foods but don't feel that one size fits all. I have personally met people who totally reversed cancer and other serious diseases eating a macrobiotic diet, which is all cooked food. I think both raw and cooked diets work if you truly believe in your heart that you are going to get well. Attitude and the mind are the ultimate healers.

Gloria

October 22, 2006

Hi Don,

I wonder if you read anything to which I referred, or if you were just

responding to my e-mail. In the article " With 3 Generations of

Vegetarian Hygienists " , there is discussion of difficulties faced by

some on a raw diet. We have seen on this list reference made to a person

who went to a clinic in Mexico, and then came home to die. I am guessing

that the Mexican clinic may well have been raw food and herbs, perhaps

even some kind of fasting. I am always interested in your comments and

your knowledge. But, with all due respect, I don't believe that any one

person has all the answers at this time, and I think that it is

important to continue to learn and grow. To me, this means keeping an

open mind, being willing to carefully examine new ideas, and then to

weigh the total evidence. I would be more interested in your response if

you had read the materials, and then given specific scientific reasons

for your thoughts. While your response is very definite, it is not

necessarily helpful, because it comes across as your opinion, rather

than as based in any kind of scientific investigation. I *do* believe

that you have done much study, and that you have great knowledge, but I

would like to share more knowledge with us, or with me, than just a

general statement on what you believe.

Please don't be offended by my reply. I am not in any way dissing on you

or on your opinions. Rather, I am encouraging you to share more

information if you would have me (us) actually learn what you know, and

implement it. I would find it helpful if we could have an open and

honest discussion, which could teach one or both of us. (Not that I have

so much to offer, for I am still learning. But I hope that I will always

be a learner, and never a person who has reached the final place of

knowledge.)

I send this with all respect and feelings of friendliness,

TerriLynne Pomeroy

October 22, 2006

Hi TerriLynne,

No offense taken. Only I can offend myself, no one else has that kind

of power over me. I wouldn't take a fence anyway as I have no use for

one and don't like to steal. Hehehehe

I have read most everything Stanley Bass has written. Dr. Stanley Bass

in his earlier years spent a great deal of time pretending to be a

fruitarian. He ate mostly citrus fruits and ended up with lots of

dental problems. Now I am not blaming the citrus for his dental

problems, although I am sure they contributed to it, but Dr. Stanley's

problem was he ate only citrus. To be successful on a raw living foods

diet, not fruitarian as humans are not pure fruitarians but frugivores,

one must eat a wide variety of biologically classified fruits, lots of

tender leafy greens and some raw nuts and seeds. Dr. Bass' early trial

as a fruitarian is what he bases his recommendations on. This is what

he calls science. If you are really wanting some science then read the

works of Tilden, Shelton, or even TC Fry. No matter how you wish to

view it TerriLynne, all of this is purely about choice and nothing

else. What do you choose to believe? Don't stop now but keep on

exploring. I read most of Stanley Bass in 2000.

There are a lot of people out there claiming to be Natural Hygienists

and rawfoodists and even some claiming to be scientists, and while I do

agree that no one person consciously

knows everything, we get the variety pack in this field. There are a

lot of so called Hygienists who really don't understand what NH really

is all about. Now diet is just one part of NH, an important one

however. Dead food creates dead bodies. Read about enzymes by Dr.

Howell. One of the biggest mistakes made by some in NH, and even in raw

food

circles, is assuming that one must eat strictly fruits and nothing

else. This is fine but does not give the body everything it needs. One

needs to eat an ample supply of tender leafy greens for this is where

the body gets its organic minerals from. These greens can include herbs

like dandelion, chicory, etc.

Man is not an omnivore, we are not pigs nor bears. Man is not a

carnivore, we are not lions or tigers, etc. Man is not an herbivore for

we are not cows or horses. We are not insectivores either. Man is not a

strict fruitarian either. Man is an

frugivore, which means that we eat lots of fruits, greens, nuts and

seeds.

Far be it from me to have reached the pinnacle of knowledge. I am still

learning, still searching and still working on myself in improving my

own health. I have much to learn yet and am not about to stop right

where I am at. No way .

You wish to learn more about NH? Okay, here are a few groups where you

can whet your appetite for now.

http://tech./group/inhs/

Rawschool/

There are a lot of web sites out there purporting to talk about the

human organism and the appropriate diet for man. Originally man ate

mostly fruits as man originated in the tropics. One of the greatest

mistakes made by anyone who poo-poos or denigrates a raw food lifestyle

is because of their own inability to deal with their emotions. Eating

is intrinsically tied to ones emotions and as one moves to a more raw

food based diet one will come up against these dragons of emotional

woe. Just ask any raw foodist or anyone who is currently going through

transition. I am still in transition and am having a tough time with my

emotional attachment to eating. Salt, sugar and cooked foods are the

deadliest, most addictive substances we have to deal with. My point is

you will find lots of talk about how a raw food diet is not optimal

because someone failed on it. Why do they fail? Because in going raw

all those toxins and metabolic wastes are going to be entering the

blood stream for removal. This will take quite some time, years maybe.

Most people fail because they cannot handle the cleanse because these

toxins turn on the cravings for the cooked foods, the salt, the sugar,

etc. It is one tough nut to crack.

Yes, I have read Dr. Stanley Bass and he has some good points to make

but I am not in agreement with his so called scientific methods. You

will find a lot of information and mis-information on the subjects of

NH or raw foodism. You have to determine what is true for you. Just

because I am passionate about what I know about today does not mean

that won't change tomorrow as I upgrade my information. LOL

Nobody is/or will always be just a learner, TerriLynne. You are both

teacher and student. Yin and yang you know. I am just a student, for

the most part but also a teacher to some but far, far from being a

master. There is far to much to know and far too short a time to learn

it all. However, that won't stop me from continuing to try. When you

feel you have learned it all then there really is no reason to continue

living. I have to many interests to stop now and probably for a few

more lifetimes to come.

You can find a lot of books at: http://www.soilandhelth.org/

Steve runs it and is the librarian. He lives in Tasmania.

Really neat fellow and quite knowledgeable on gardening and many

aspects of NH.

Geez, TerriLynne, I hope I answered your questions. I don't believe I

wrote all of this. I hope it makes sense to you. Check out these groups

and look around at Steve's site. Some really good reading material

there. You can purchase a lot of Sheltons books online, along with a

few other raw fooders and NH'ers at: http://www.livingnutrition.com/

I do a lot of reading and testing, meditating, reflecting on what I

read and learn. If it works for me than it is true until it no longer

works. You are never too old to learn and never too young to begin. I

like your attitude TerriLynne. I don't ask you to believe me, find the

truth for yourself, that is what I have always told people. You don't

know if I might be lying or wrong. However, I can point you in certain

directions to get you started and the rest is up to you.

In peace and friendship TerriLynne,

Don

TerriLynne wrote:

Hi Don,

I wonder if you read anything to which I referred, or if you were just

responding to my e-mail. In the article "With 3 Generations of

Vegetarian Hygienists", there is discussion of difficulties faced by