Re: age appropriate

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Margaret,

Glad things worked out for you schooling Gareth. There is no problem with

keeping Seth home until he's 7. He just wouldn't get any services until I

registered him with the school at that age. I want to keep him in preschool

another year, and they say that is not age appropriate. He's at a 22 month

old level...I think it IS appropriate! LOL Because he is *object level* he

has to go to the severe room. His scores may be low=severe, but He is not.

The kids in the severe room can't tolerate songs, games, speaking. Seth

loves all that and needs it. Seth's social needs would set off a chain

reaction with the kids in that room that would last all day. Not fair to any

of them. They said he could go to the preschool room for that stuff....guess

the preschool room is appropriate?

Any suggestions Margaret?

Gail

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In a message dated 12/10/00 9:58:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jk-harding@... writes:

<< I guess I would argue that " age appropriate " is not what matters!

The class that is most " developmentally appropriate " is what should

be considered. is 5, and I've already thought that I would

keep her in preschool for another year. >>

,

THANKS!!!!!!!!! I love that! I'm sure I won't win this battle, but I'm

going down fighting! LOL Glad you have such a wise and willing district.

Hope it all works out for (I love that name!)

Gail

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail.

I guess I would argue that " age appropriate " is not what matters!

The class that is most " developmentally appropriate " is what should

be considered. is 5, and I've already thought that I would

keep her in preschool for another year. I'm planning on arguing that

won't have many years to feel successful at doing what her

classmates are doing. Why not let her have at least a year or two of

that success before we stick her in with regular first and second

graders, at which time she will know she's different because she

won't be able to do everything they can do.

I'm glad my district seems to like my ideas.

Thinking of you....

> Margaret,

> Glad things worked out for you schooling Gareth. There is no

problem with

> keeping Seth home until he's 7. He just wouldn't get any services

until I

> registered him with the school at that age. I want to keep him in

preschool

> another year, and they say that is not age appropriate. He's at a

22 month

> old level...I think it IS appropriate! LOL Because he is *object

level* he

> has to go to the severe room. His scores may be low=severe, but He

is not.

> The kids in the severe room can't tolerate songs, games, speaking.

Seth

> loves all that and needs it. Seth's social needs would set off a

chain

> reaction with the kids in that room that would last all day. Not

fair to any

> of them. They said he could go to the preschool room for that

stuff....guess

> the preschool room is appropriate?

> Any suggestions Margaret?

> Gail

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In a message dated 8/25/2004 9:38:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

lisamunson@... writes:

When I was very young my parents used the materials from Clinic

I think many of us (middle age) were trained under their concept as they

open their door in 1942. You can find their site at _www.jtc.org_

(http://www.jtc.org)

Lee

[Guest guest]

,

I'm guessing you can ask 15 different people and get 15 different

answers to your question. It's just my opinion, but I think when it

comes to teaching a preschooler, the parents still know best.. Do

YOU think she's ready would be the question to ask.

I did find this on a website, but in my opinion, learning is much

like getting a ci.. Some " get it " right away and others have to

work a little harder.. I say go with what seems right for you and

Annika. You might call some of the early education centers who work

with 3 year olds and ask their opinion of this.. Don't rely on just

one.

for what it's worth, here's the link to the site where I found this.

Wow.. Annika's going to school, that in itself is a major stride in

her life and I wish you all the best and hope her experience is a

good one.

Please keep us posted.

Hugs,

Silly MI

http://www.babycenter.com/expert/baby/babydevelopment/6717.html

Question: When will my child know his colors?

Answer: Your child's ability to recognize different colors heats up

at around 18 months, the same time he begins to notice similarities

and differences in shape, size, and texture. Then it will be a while

longer before he's able to name the colors — most children can name

at least one color by 36 months. In the meantime, though, he'll love

to practice, adding new colors to his repertoire. And he may

surprise you by knowing and identifying colors even if he can't name

them verbally. When you're out and about, play pointing and matching

games. Say, " I see a red flower " and wait before pointing to it to

see if he points first. If he's wearing a blue shirt, ask him if he

sees anything else around him the same color. Toddlers love looking

at picture books of objects organized by shape and color. Start by

asking him to identify things nonverbally; say, " Can you show me the

red square? " and let him point to it. As he begins to learn the

names of the colors, you can reverse the game, pointing to objects

yourself and asking, " What color is this triangle? " Either way,

he'll delight in showing off his knowledge. When he's wrong, don't

correct him (or pretend he's right) but instead say the correct name

in an encouraging tone.

In , " rwanha " <rlw70@h...> wrote:

> Hi, I have a question for everyone. We are going to have a

meeting

> on Annika tomorrow. I have a difference in opinion between her

> special ed staff and the oral deaf school staff. To make a long

> story short, I choose to take Annika to the oral deaf school

without

> any help or recognition from her local school program. They

denied

> that she needed to go there. The said that they could provide FAPE

> here. Well, I disagree but that is not the problem at this time.

But

> I thought I needed to add that little background history.

>

> The issue is what is age appropriate for her to learn and what is

> not. I was wondering if anyone knew of a website that I could

locate

> that would show what language, words, etc would be age

appropriate.

>

> Mom of 4

> Marcus 14

> 12

> Jon 10

> Annika 2.5

> bilateral implanted 3/1/04

> hookup 3/25/04

[Guest guest]

I was born with a severe to profound hearing loss since birth and raised in a

oral environment. When I was very young my parents used the materials from

Clinic that was I believed age appropriate to the child and had realistic

goal for them. It is how I learned my colors and stuff like that. I know that

this clinic is based in CA. I dont know if they have a website. But I do know

that every month or so they would send out materials to the home and encouraged

parents. Gave wonderful advice. This might be well worth looking into. I hope

this helps you.

Snoopy Also a bilateral CIer.

[Guest guest]

and ,

tracy does have a website and on this page are some free

materials that can be ordered, but you will have to look through

them to see if there is anything appropriate for you and Annika.

Thanks for mentioning this clinic Snoopy! it looks to be a good one.

Hugs,

Silly MI

http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/johntracy/about.html

In , lisa munson <lisamunson@v...> wrote:

> I was born with a severe to profound hearing loss since birth and

raised in a oral environment. When I was very young my parents used

the materials from Clinic that was I believed age

appropriate to the child and had realistic goal for them. It is how

I learned my colors and stuff like that. I know that this clinic is

based in CA. I dont know if they have a website. But I do know that

every month or so they would send out materials to the home and

encouraged parents. Gave wonderful advice. This might be well worth

looking into. I hope this helps you.

>

> Snoopy Also a bilateral CIer.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The web site us http://www.jtc.org/

I'm gonna encourage you all to not only say there is a web site

but to provide the URL. Its so easy to find them using Google. And

yes while its easy to Google, if we say there is such and such a web

site, why dont we go one step further and post the address. That is

my free tip of the month.

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[Guest guest]

I have several questions for you-

Where are you located?

What programs are available in your school district?

Who did the assessments to determine Annika's abilities, language,

social-

emotional (if applicable), motor skills, etc.

Did you get copies of these assessments? If you disagree with an area

of the

assessment you can ask for someone else to reassess or do an outside

evaluation; someone from outside the school system. There is a

special

procedure here and since I don't know where you live, what that would

be so

the school would reimburse you for this assessment.

What is it that the oral deaf school program offers that your local

school

system does not?

What is your local school's interpretation of FAPE?

Did they offer a full mainstream program or a special day class?

As for age appropriateness, by 2.5 your daughter should be exposed to

primary information, colors, numbers, alphabet but may not make

'sense' of at

all. Some children do learn these things at different rates than

others (as you

probably noticed with your other children). I " d be more concerned

with

language exposure, interaction, teaching the importance of print

(words) by

modeling; creating lists, reading books, reading signs, etc.

The more exposure to language, the better. And at her age, in a

school

setting- pre school, a natural language rich environment is crucial.

She will

model what she hears and how she is spoken to and flourish more, than

in an

ultra structured environment.

You have the right to visit the classrooms, watch the teachers and

their 'style'

of teaching...

Last thing- I am SURE there is a parent support group where you live

or close

by. I am also SURE there is an advocacy group that can provide

support and

information to help you and the school create the most appropriate

program

for your daughter.

-Amy

> Hi, I have a question for everyone. We are going to have a meeting

> on Annika tomorrow. I have a difference in opinion between her

> special ed staff and the oral deaf school staff. To make a long

> story short, I choose to take Annika to the oral deaf school

without

> any help or recognition from her local school program. They denied

> that she needed to go there. The said that they could provide FAPE

> here. Well, I disagree but that is not the problem at this time.

But

> I thought I needed to add that little background history.

>

> The issue is what is age appropriate for her to learn and what is

> not. I was wondering if anyone knew of a website that I could

locate

> that would show what language, words, etc would be age appropriate.

> The biggest one right now is that the oral deaf school teacher

> recommends that we start working with Annika in teaching her

colors.

> That it is age appropriate for her to know these by the time she

> turns 3(which is in 6 months). When I discussed this with some of

> her local staff they said no not age appropriate and that she is

not

> ready to be taught this. I was told by one teacher that her son

who

> is 4 doesn't even know his colors so why try with her. I say why

> not? In order for her to start putting more than 1 word together

she

> needs to have some adjectives and the like to work with. I have

seen

> it with one child who was implanted about a year before Annika. He

> is the same age as Annika and knows all his colors and is starting

to

> work with two-three word sentences. When I brought this up, I was

> told well that is fine for him but some kids learn certain things

> because that is their area that they are strong in. Not something

> that we need to do with Annika.

>

> I just thought if someone knew of a website or something that I

could

> look at to see who is right and how to prove my case(or disprove, I

> guess) that would be great. Though, I will say that I will go

along

> with her oral deaf school whether it is written in her plan or not

> here. Then when she learns them and it isn't because it is in

their

> plan then I would have a case that they are not providing FAPE

here.

> I struggle with this at almost every meeting. The local special ed

> staff have really no great vision for Annika. They just want to

take

> baby steps and (in my opinion) have no idea on how much is possible

> for her since she was implanted. Part of the problem for them is

> that they really have only worked with kids that were implanted

later

> in life. I have been told by staff that they can see a big

> difference already between Annika and the other kids they have

worked

> with and yet they don't get that they need to change their

> expectations for her. Frustrating for me.

>

> I also know that part of the issue is that they want to make sure

> that she acheives her goals. They write the goals lower than we

try

> to push for so that they can document that they are doing a good

job

> with her and she is meeting her goals either within the guidelines

or

> earlier. Just for example, we have her annual meeting in March so

we

> wrote goals then. Well, it is August and she has met almost every

> goal that they wrote for her. Some of them were written for only 6

> months but a lot of the ones she has met were written for March. I

> know good job Annika but let's get some vision here.

>

> Sorry so long.

>

>

> Mom of 4

> Marcus 14

> 12

> Jon 10

> Annika 2.5

> bilateral implanted 3/1/04

> hookup 3/25/04

[Guest guest]

I was wondering if anyone knew of a website that I could locate

that would show what language, words, etc would be age appropriate.

Try http://www.paec.org/itrk3/files/pdfs/readingPdfs/coreVoc.pdf

Pam

Tabitha 7/20/04