Re: Re: research information

[Guest guest]

1) what college are you attending?

2) your story seems a bit hard to believe.

3) Please don't directly IM me again

On Aug 29, 2008, at 11:36 PM, egyptlover803@... wrote:

> I'm not sure what you mean about my e-mail. I used my husband's

> account (fatboy) for the group only to save the hassle of setting up

> a account. Mine is egyptlover803sc.rr.com . I love anything to

> do with ancient egypt. I have posted more information about myself

> and my intentions. I should have taken a bit longer to explain in my

> first post, but my daughter woke up and was crying, so I just

> clicked send. I have to be honest with you sir, I feel as if I have

> done something wrong. So many people seem offended. I didn't mean

> for this to happen. I am a very sensitive person who cannot stand

> when people are angry with me and I feel that some people may think

> I am discriminating or something. I am not at all like this. I

> counsel girls with anorexia bulimia ( I am a recovery anorexia case

> myself, 7 years clean of " starving " thoughts, as we call them) and

> sometimes I forget that people are not always as willing as I am to

> discuss things. Please feel free to contact me about anything or any

> questions you have. Thank you and I do apologize if I have done

> anything wrong

[Guest guest]

Every college gives you a free email address when you are a student there.? I

work in the world of academics so I know this first hand.?

Marcia B.

Re: Re: research information

Agreeing with you here, Tony.

It's a matter of professionalism. If her stated name (and gender, in all

probability) is not consistent with the other identifying information (such

as the e-mail address), skepticism is warranted.

A university student would have countless ways to obtain an e-mail address

that is both professional sounding and private to that individual (and thus

consistent with the stated identity and seriousness of purpose). It's like

those Nigerian scams that always tell you at the end " don't reply to this

address, reply to this one " and *both* e-mail addresses are inconsistent

with the stated name in the e-mail and in the FROM field of the e-mail.

My own personal e-mail uses a family nickname I've had since birth, and

while it isn't actively unprofessional it isn't optimal in that regard. If I

were to engage in significant professional activity that required e-mail ,

such as an online survey for academic purposes, I would either use the

primary Roadrunner account (which is my first initial/last name and a

number), activate another of the e-mail accounts RR permits with a carefully

chosen user name, or create a special account on a free e-mail provider,

again with a carefully chosen username.

But of course I'm in my 40's and have had a few lessons in professionalism

in my life.... ly, even if there's nothing untoward about her request,

you all are right to give her one in this regard!

Re: research information

> Isn't it a bit curious that she signs it in one name but her email

> address has two different names???

>

> Gender isn't the issue, credibility and honesty IS.

> On Aug 29, 2008, at 4:26 PM, wrote:

>

>> What does her gender have to do with her request?

>>

>>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> ===

>

[Guest guest]

mike;

we have done it both ways.

when we had the " reply to list " , people were upset that what they thought

was a private email was going to the list.

when we default to the sender, they get upset that it doesn't go to the

list.

i've tried standing on my head but no one liked that either

Whims

***********

Well, maybe there is a God above,

But all that I've ever learned from love

Was how to shoot somebody who outdrew you.

***********

_____

From: dwarfism [mailto:dwarfism ] On Behalf

Of Mike Mallinson

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:15 AM

Dwarfism

Subject: Re: Re: research information

I've seen this happen a few times in this thread already, so I thought

I'd pipe up. For some reason, the default setting when you hit reply in

your e-mail program to an e-mail coming from the Dwarfism list, is for

the reply to go directly to the original sender, not the list as a

whole. I suspect that the e-mails you have been getting directly have

been as a result of the sender just hitting " reply " and not realizing

that the e-mail is going directly to the individual. I did that a

number of times when I first started following this list, and still do

it occasionally, since every other list I'm on replies to the list as a

default...

Mike

tony soares wrote:

>

> I agree, I was just surprised that she would write to me directly

> based on my public post to the list.

>

> Sorry

>

> TS

> On Aug 30, 2008, at 1:07 AM, Whims Ivey wrote:

>

> > Tony, speaking for myself [and for adelaide at 1 AM], the fact is

> > that if you or any other member receives an email per your own

> > account, the moderators do NOT know about it, and have no control

> > over the content or your interaction with the writer. we have

> > repeatedly advised caution and caveat emptor when releasing personal

> > information to someone when their background and history are unknown.

> > it may turn out that the young woman has a valid research she is

> > doing and lacks the finesse to express herself in a way acceptable

> > to the once-burned/twice-shy members of this list. it may turn out

> > that she is a 6'3, 427 lb guy scratching his armpits in front of the

> > monitor of a darkened smoky room.

> > if anyone prefers to no longer receive personal email from another

> > list member, we advise they block that email address. but we as

> > moderators can not, and will not, monitor personal exchanges.

> > Whims

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike --

That is the default, and it goes way back to the early days of the list,

when people were accidently posting personal replies in public and getting

into some mighty embarrassing situations. By contrast, accidentally posting

a public reply to just one person can be annoying, but it's harmless.

Dan Kennedy

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Mike Mallinson

<mike@...>wrote:

> I've seen this happen a few times in this thread already, so I thought

> I'd pipe up. For some reason, the default setting when you hit reply in

> your e-mail program to an e-mail coming from the Dwarfism list, is for

> the reply to go directly to the original sender, not the list as a

> whole. I suspect that the e-mails you have been getting directly have

> been as a result of the sender just hitting " reply " and not realizing

> that the e-mail is going directly to the individual. I did that a

> number of times when I first started following this list, and still do

> it occasionally, since every other list I'm on replies to the list as a

> default...

>

> Mike

>

> tony soares wrote:

> >

> > I agree, I was just surprised that she would write to me directly

> > based on my public post to the list.

> >

> > Sorry

> >

> > TS

> > On Aug 30, 2008, at 1:07 AM, Whims Ivey wrote:

> >

> > > Tony, speaking for myself [and for adelaide at 1 AM], the fact is

> > > that if you or any other member receives an email per your own

> > > account, the moderators do NOT know about it, and have no control

> > > over the content or your interaction with the writer. we have

> > > repeatedly advised caution and caveat emptor when releasing personal

> > > information to someone when their background and history are unknown.

> > > it may turn out that the young woman has a valid research she is

> > > doing and lacks the finesse to express herself in a way acceptable

> > > to the once-burned/twice-shy members of this list. it may turn out

> > > that she is a 6'3, 427 lb guy scratching his armpits in front of the

> > > monitor of a darkened smoky room.

> > > if anyone prefers to no longer receive personal email from another

> > > list member, we advise they block that email address. but we as

> > > moderators can not, and will not, monitor personal exchanges.

> > > Whims

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

_justwhims@..._ (mailto:justwhims@...) writes:

mike;

we have done it both ways.

when we had the " reply to list " , people were upset that what they thought

was a private email was going to the list.

when we default to the sender, they get upset that it doesn't go to the

list.

i've tried standing on my head but no one liked that either Whims

And I can vouch for that too, as I am STILL finding all the stuff which

came tumbling out of her pockets when we attempted this!

We stand on our heads, we jump through hoops, perform excellent

acrobatics, and we even bend over backwards too sometimes!

Adelaide,

The Whims and Adelaide

Headstanding Services, LTD

**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel

deal here.

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[Guest guest]

Yea, I did that just last week. " Dwarfism " shows up on the " To " box when you

press " reply all " .

Guilty as charged,

Re: Re: research information

I've seen this happen a few times in this thread already, so I thought

I'd pipe up. For some reason, the default setting when you hit reply in

your e-mail program to an e-mail coming from the Dwarfism list, is for

the reply to go directly to the original sender, not the list as a

whole. I suspect that the e-mails you have been getting directly have

been as a result of the sender just hitting " reply " and not realizing

that the e-mail is going directly to the individual. I did that a

number of times when I first started following this list, and still do

it occasionally, since every other list I'm on replies to the list as a

default...

Mike

tony soares wrote:

>

> I agree, I was just surprised that she would write to me directly

> based on my public post to the list.

>

> Sorry

>

> TS

> On Aug 30, 2008, at 1:07 AM, Whims Ivey wrote:

>

> > Tony, speaking for myself [and for adelaide at 1 AM], the fact is

> > that if you or any other member receives an email per your own

> > account, the moderators do NOT know about it, and have no control

> > over the content or your interaction with the writer. we have

> > repeatedly advised caution and caveat emptor when releasing personal

> > information to someone when their background and history are unknown.

> > it may turn out that the young woman has a valid research she is

> > doing and lacks the finesse to express herself in a way acceptable

> > to the once-burned/twice-shy members of this list. it may turn out

> > that she is a 6'3, 427 lb guy scratching his armpits in front of the

> > monitor of a darkened smoky room.

> > if anyone prefers to no longer receive personal email from another

> > list member, we advise they block that email address. but we as

> > moderators can not, and will not, monitor personal exchanges.

> > Whims

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

She has stated MANY times that she's new to the groups. Perhaps she thought

she HAD to have a address in order to post to the group. Why is everyone

in such an uproar and so suspicious of her!? Goodness.......

And again.. we wonder why people assume all little people have a huge chip on

their shoulder!

Amy

Re: research information

> Isn't it a bit curious that she signs it in one name but her email

> address has two different names???

>

> Gender isn't the issue, credibility and honesty IS.

> On Aug 29, 2008, at 4:26 PM, wrote:

>

>> What does her gender have to do with her request?

>>

>>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> ===

>

[Guest guest]

I have not been following this thread closely, and I don't anyone to take

this as a comment on the overall issue. But not every college or university

has a great e-mail system. I now teach full-time, and many if not most of my

students use their Gmail addresses rather than their institutional

addresses, simply because Gmail works better.

Whatever point it is that folks are trying to make, I don't think that

failure to use a college e-mail address is proof of anything.

Dan Kennedy

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 3:29 PM, TxChapter44 <TxChapter44@...>wrote:

> She has stated MANY times that she's new to the groups. Perhaps she

> thought she HAD to have a address in order to post to the group. Why

> is everyone in such an uproar and so suspicious of her!? Goodness.......

> And again.. we wonder why people assume all little people have a huge chip

> on their shoulder!

>

> Amy

>

> Re: research information

>

> > Isn't it a bit curious that she signs it in one name but her email

>

> > address has two different names???

>

> >

>

> > Gender isn't the issue, credibility and honesty IS.

>

> > On Aug 29, 2008, at 4:26 PM, wrote:

>

> >

>

> >> What does her gender have to do with her request?

>

> >>

>

> >>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> > ===

>

> >

[Guest guest]

People, please give her a break! She's a college student writing a paper and she

wanted to ask first hand questions, that's it! If I had to write a paper about a

group of people I'd join their list and probably ask questions too. If it were

some scrupulous person then they get an A for creativity in asking about

genetics, and I hope they learn something while they're at it! lol

 

Bill, about your proper proceedures on gathering info, honestly my college

professors never gave us anything about proceedures, it was more go out and ask

people questions, just site your sources properly.  Because my classes were

undergrad and consisted of smaller papers, I don't think what you had

mentioned mattered to them because of those reasons. If it was a published paper

then I would expect more formality.

 

College e-mails, I had one, but I set it up that all of the e-mails from there

would be forwarded to my account.  I never used my college e-mail and my

professors didn't care which e-mail account as long as we replied.

 

As far as certain people on the list complaining about the college student,

consider their past history with complaints. It's very easy for complaining to

turn into a personal sport, I learned that first hand.  All I can say is if you

don't like a post or the person posting, just block them, end of story! 

 

-

[Guest guest]

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:28 AM, <irish_p_butter@...> wrote:

>

> Bill, about your proper proceedures on gathering info, honestly my college

> professors never gave us anything about proceedures, it was more go out and

> ask people questions, just site your sources properly. Because my classes

> were undergrad and consisted of smaller papers, I don't think what you had

> mentioned mattered to them because of those reasons. If it was a published

> paper then I would expect more formality.

It never hurts to learn proper methodology, even if only an undergrad

report. It is up to the professor to encourage students to learn the

methodology, and I must confess, my undergrad professors have been a

mixed bag on this. However, for the ones that were diligent I am

ever-grateful.

As far as a listserve goes, we should have a policy, whether the

inquiry comes from a college student or a news reporter, that at the

minimum they provide their full name, college (or newspaper), contact

info for the college (or newspaper), a reference, their major (if

applicable), and the purpose of the paper. And privately, they should

provide the responders with personal contact info.

Anyone who is unwilling to do this should be treated with suspicion.

I'm not saying the most recent inquirer is being dishonest or

operating with bad intent -- I think it's more likely she was just a

bit awkward in her approach.

> College e-mails, I had one, but I set it up that all of the e-mails from

> there would be forwarded to my account. I never used my college

> e-mail and my professors didn't care which e-mail account as long as we

> replied.

Ditto. All my college emails are forwarded to my gmail account. And

most of my professor's too.

Bill

[Guest guest]

Obviously you are passively/ aggressively

Referring to me.

I am questioning or was questioning the authenticity

Of the questioner.

You don't need to bring up the past or launch personal attacks

And for the record many of us were College students and or have

careers where we are all exoerienced enough in life not to be lectured

to.

Tony

On Aug 31, 2008, at 2:28 PM, irish_p_butter@... wrote:

> People, please give her a break! She's a college student writing a

> paper and she wanted to ask first hand questions, that's it! If I

> had to write a paper about a group of people I'd join their list and

> probably ask questions too. If it were some scrupulous person then

> they get an A for creativity in asking about genetics, and I hope

> they learn something while they're at it! lol

>

> Bill, about your proper proceedures on gathering info, honestly my

> college professors never gave us anything about proceedures, it was

> more go out and ask people questions, just site your sources

> properly. Because my classes were undergrad and consisted of

> smaller papers, I don't think what you had mentioned mattered to

> them because of those reasons. If it was a published paper then I

> would expect more formality.

>

> College e-mails, I had one, but I set it up that all of the e-mails

> from there would be forwarded to my account. I never used my

> college e-mail and my professors didn't care which e-mail account as

> long as we replied.

>

> As far as certain people on the list complaining about the college

> student, consider their past history with complaints. It's very easy

> for complaining to turn into a personal sport, I learned that first

> hand. All I can say is if you don't like a post or the person

> posting, just block them, end of story!

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

bill, as far as requiring a poster to provide the list with personal info, i

would not do that based on the fact we don't require ANYONE to provide such

information publically. if someone replies to that research request, then

if they exchange that information, that is their choice, as it is the choice

of the respondent to provide personal information, or any answers to the

inquiry.

it would be good to know the purpose of the research, and to whom you are

replying; however we don't demand it of others and replying is a choice, not

a requirement.

Whims

***********

Well, maybe there is a God above,

But all that I've ever learned from love

Was how to shoot somebody who outdrew you.

***********

_____

From: dwarfism [mailto:dwarfism ] On Behalf

Of Bill Bradford

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:46 PM

irish_p_butter@...

Cc: dwarfism

Subject: Re: Re: research information

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:28 AM, <irish_p_butter@

<mailto:irish_p_butter%40> > wrote:

>

> Bill, about your proper proceedures on gathering info, honestly my college

> professors never gave us anything about proceedures, it was more go out

and

> ask people questions, just site your sources properly. Because my classes

> were undergrad and consisted of smaller papers, I don't think what you had

> mentioned mattered to them because of those reasons. If it was a published

> paper then I would expect more formality.

It never hurts to learn proper methodology, even if only an undergrad

report. It is up to the professor to encourage students to learn the

methodology, and I must confess, my undergrad professors have been a

mixed bag on this. However, for the ones that were diligent I am

ever-grateful.

As far as a listserve goes, we should have a policy, whether the

inquiry comes from a college student or a news reporter, that at the

minimum they provide their full name, college (or newspaper), contact

info for the college (or newspaper), a reference, their major (if

applicable), and the purpose of the paper. And privately, they should

provide the responders with personal contact info.

Anyone who is unwilling to do this should be treated with suspicion.

I'm not saying the most recent inquirer is being dishonest or

operating with bad intent -- I think it's more likely she was just a

bit awkward in her approach.

> College e-mails, I had one, but I set it up that all of the e-mails from

> there would be forwarded to my account. I never used my college

> e-mail and my professors didn't care which e-mail account as long as we

> replied.

Ditto. All my college emails are forwarded to my gmail account. And

most of my professor's too.

Bill

[Guest guest]

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my reply. I never suggested that a

poster to a public list provide private information. I suggested that

if someone makes a personal (private, off list) reply to an inquiry,

then the inquirer should be willing to provide personal contact info.

It is considered standard professional conduct for reporters and

researchers. If someone is not willing to provide their contact info

privately, then it should raise some red flags.

Bill

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Whims Ivey <justwhims@...> wrote:

> bill, as far as requiring a poster to provide the list with personal info, i

> would not do that based on the fact we don't require ANYONE to provide such

> information publically. if someone replies to that research request, then

> if they exchange that information, that is their choice, as it is the choice

> of the respondent to provide personal information, or any answers to the

> inquiry.

> it would be good to know the purpose of the research, and to whom you are

> replying; however we don't demand it of others and replying is a choice, not

> a requirement.

> Whims