Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Hi Barrie, This is one of those issues that is going to go around and around probably till the cows come home. From my honest and humble perspective from what I have read, researched and considered upon, anyone who eats a raw diet or a mostly raw diet will never be deficient in B12. The best part is you will never have to eat meat either. Now where do all those animals get their B12 from? Cows, organically raised, don't get their B12 from eating other cows or animals yet they have lots of B12 in their tissues. Some sources would have you believe that B12 does not exist in any kind of plant. While that may be true it certainly does exist on them. B12 bacteria exist all around us. One of the reasons why washing your vegetables is not such a good idea. There are many sources that would have you believe in B12 deficiency too. I do not believe that B12 deficiency can exist except in someone who eats nothing but junk (fast foods, preprocessed foods). My personal belief is that no one who is diagnosed as B12 deficient, who eats a decent diet, is actually deficient. My belief is that they are unable to assimilate the B12 due to lack of Intrinsic Factor. Intrinsic factor is formed by the parietal cells of the stomach, same ones that produce the hydrochloric acid, and these cells are very easily damaged by....drum roll please....salt, alcohol, stress, stimulating foods (garlic, onions, spices, horseradish, etc.), drugs, toxins and poisons found in many herbs, coffee, cocoa, tea, debauchery, gluttony, etc. Aspirin has been shown to be a major player in this as well, is it any wonder that so many people seem to be B12 deficient? Who has not taken aspirins? Anyone who does not produce IF will never be able to absorb B12 any way other than sublingual or injected. You must have IF in order to absorb B12 through the small intestines. The human body is perfectly capable of producing its own B12 in the gut by the bacteria that make it as their waste. However, we kill off these bacteria through eating.... garlic, onions, taking drugs, antibiotics, etc. Now I would never tell anyone not to take a B12 supplement if they feel that they need to take it. However, I do not believe that Nature was that cruel. Of all the vitamins B12 is the only one that seems to be in really short supply and almost impossible to get unless you eat a pig or gopher or cow. I don't buy into that. I believe that we are being fed some false beliefs. Nature packages all the B vitamins pretty much together. They are all dependent on one another in various metabolic pathways in the body. There are quite a number of people who have been raw food vegan for many years and do not suffer B12 deficiency, who use no raw dairy, eggs or supplements. Some of them upwards of 20 to 30 years. Now the human body can only store up to about 5 years worth of B12. Also the body does recycle quite a bit of its B12 from the bile. B12 is stored in the liver and lost in the bile, yet gets recirculated back to the liver. B12 is used along with B6 and folate in the formation of blood cells. They are all needed together. A lot of B12 deficiency diagnosis' are sometimes a folate deficiency or problem with lack of assimilation. Now one can either trust that nature, did not make a mistake and have faith that all the B12 we need is within or around us and not worry about it or we can take a supplement. However, when you take a supplement remember that there are bacteria that will also fight for that same B12. Best would be to use methylcobalmin drops under the tongue. Methylcobalmin is the form found in the blood. If anyone is worried about their B12 status I suggest getting a Urine Methylmalonic acid test done. The major problems we all face in our health are: stress and our choices in lifestyle and diet. There really are no other. I don't know if this is going to help you or not Barrie but there it is. Soon I hope to put all this info together, as there is a mountain of it. You might inquire over at rawshool group on this topic as well. Lots of folks over there with lots of info and some of them have been raw food vegans for quite some time. Don Vryland2003 wrote: > > *_For all pure vegetarians_* > > No doubt there must be something in the files for the following > ,nevertheless , being a vegetarian on and off for some time and now > the longest period of time I have been a vegan,(6 years) I came across > a potential problem that I have now corrected. > > To me the problem is B12. > > Because vitamin B12 is found in animal but not vegetable foods, > complete vegetarianism may lead to deficiency. > > > Vitamin B12 was the last of the vitamins to be isolated (in 1948). It > is water-soluble, has the highest molecular weight (1,355) of any > vitamin, and is absorbed by a complex mechanism. Failure of absorption > (pernicious anemia) is more common than dietary deficiency. Vitamin > B12 is found only in animal foods, so that vegans (pure vegetarians) > are at risk of deficiency over the course of several years. The > requirement of vitamin B12 is (with vitamin D) the smallest of all the > vitamins, only two micrograms per day, *with liver stores usually > enough to last for five years of deprivation.* Vitamin B12 > participates with folic acid in DNA synthesis so its deficiency leads > to a similar anemia. There is a separate effect of vitamin B12 > deficiency on the nervous system. > > > > The problem was excacurbated by the fact that I don't drink milk or > eat butter(animal fats) ( I just don't like the taste). > > > > So all ye Vegans out there can you possibly add anything to this . I > am now taking a supplement that contains B12 and thiamine and my > supplement conforms to all 13 true vitamins.( Most multivitamin > preparations do not contain all 13 true vitamins, and the doses of > vitamins they do contain usually deviate far from their RDAs. ). > > > > Is the solution to eat meat for a month every 5 years? > > > > Barrie > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Another article from Raw School by a 25+ year raw vegan.... read the entire article at: http://snipurl.com/u0nz Shari The B12 issue is an "in the head" game. It's a head game used by the meat industry and a misinformed nutrition/medical/supplement-exspurt industry. It hooks people into meat eating, supplement eating, following exspurts, and otherwise remaining "in the head" and not learning how to follow and trust their own full senses. No other species plays head games with its diet. It is not necessary for life. What is necessary is to follow the full senses when making food choices. It takes a processed food eater (cooking is a processing) many years to slowly tune into their full senses again as s/he gradually improves the diet from an intellectual artificial diet to a natural, normal full sense-based diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 I am one of those who lacks the enzyme to absorb it. We have tried everything from eating a lot of spinache etc. and even tried capsules and natta. The only way is a shot every month and when we forget (my hubby gives me the shot) My level goesway down and get really sick. A lot of family members have the perenious anemia even my mom who pretty much lives on natural things....she eats fruits and veggies like they are going out of style and her health is really bad. Her nails have just started to curl like mine and they think it may be something to do with the lungs. Mine have been curlingfor years and I keep getting told the thyroid. Kathy L. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Eitner health Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: Re: For Vegans Hi Barrie,This is one of those issues that is going to go around and around probably till the cows come home. From my honest and humble perspective from what I have read, researched and considered upon, anyone who eats a raw diet or a mostly raw diet will never be deficient in B12. The best part is you will never have to eat meat either. Now where do all those animals get their B12 from? Cows, organically raised, don't get their B12 from eating other cows or animals yet they have lots of B12 in their tissues. Some sources would have you believe that B12 does not exist in any kind of plant. While that may be true it certainly does exist on them. B12 bacteria exist all around us. One of the reasons why washing your vegetables is not such a good idea.There are many sources that would have you believe in B12 deficiency too. I do not believe that B12 deficiency can exist except in someone who eats nothing but junk (fast foods, preprocessed foods). My personal belief is that no one who is diagnosed as B12 deficient, who eats a decent diet, is actually deficient. My belief is that they are unable to assimilate the B12 due to lack of Intrinsic Factor. Intrinsic factor is formed by the parietal cells of the stomach, same ones that produce the hydrochloric acid, and these cells are very easily damaged by....drum roll please....salt, alcohol, stress, stimulating foods (garlic, onions, spices, horseradish, etc.), drugs, toxins and poisons found in many herbs, coffee, cocoa, tea, debauchery, gluttony, etc. Aspirin has been shown to be a major player in this as well, is it any wonder that so many people seem to be B12 deficient? Who has not taken aspirins? Anyone who does not produce IF will never be able to absorb B12 any way other than sublingual or injected. You must have IF in order to absorb B12 through the small intestines.The human body is perfectly capable of producing its own B12 in the gut by the bacteria that make it as their waste. However, we kill off these bacteria through eating.... garlic, onions, taking drugs, antibiotics, etc.Now I would never tell anyone not to take a B12 supplement if they feel that they need to take it. However, I do not believe that Nature was that cruel. Of all the vitamins B12 is the only one that seems to be in really short supply and almost impossible to get unless you eat a pig or gopher or cow. I don't buy into that. I believe that we are being fed some false beliefs. Nature packages all the B vitamins pretty much together. They are all dependent on one another in various metabolic pathways in the body. There are quite a number of people who have been raw food vegan for many years and do not suffer B12 deficiency, who use no raw dairy, eggs or supplements. Some of them upwards of 20 to 30 years. Now the human body can only store up to about 5 years worth of B12. Also the body does recycle quite a bit of its B12 from the bile. B12 is stored in the liver and lost in the bile, yet gets recirculated back to the liver.B12 is used along with B6 and folate in the formation of blood cells. They are all needed together. A lot of B12 deficiency diagnosis' are sometimes a folate deficiency or problem with lack of assimilation.Now one can either trust that nature, did not make a mistake and have faith that all the B12 we need is within or around us and not worry about it or we can take a supplement. However, when you take a supplement remember that there are bacteria that will also fight for that same B12. Best would be to use methylcobalmin drops under the tongue. Methylcobalmin is the form found in the blood. If anyone is worried about their B12 status I suggest getting a Urine Methylmalonic acid test done.The major problems we all face in our health are: stress and our choices in lifestyle and diet. There really are no other.I don't know if this is going to help you or not Barrie but there it is. Soon I hope to put all this info together, as there is a mountain of it. You might inquire over at rawshool group on this topic as well. Lots of folks over there with lots of info and some of them have been raw food vegans for quite some time.DonVryland2003 wrote:>> *_For all pure vegetarians_*> > No doubt there must be something in the files for the following > ,nevertheless , being a vegetarian on and off for some time and now > the longest period of time I have been a vegan,(6 years) I came across > a potential problem that I have now corrected.> > To me the problem is B12.> > Because vitamin B12 is found in animal but not vegetable foods, > complete vegetarianism may lead to deficiency.> >> Vitamin B12 was the last of the vitamins to be isolated (in 1948). It > is water-soluble, has the highest molecular weight (1,355) of any > vitamin, and is absorbed by a complex mechanism. Failure of absorption > (pernicious anemia) is more common than dietary deficiency. Vitamin > B12 is found only in animal foods, so that vegans (pure vegetarians) > are at risk of deficiency over the course of several years. The > requirement of vitamin B12 is (with vitamin D) the smallest of all the > vitamins, only two micrograms per day, *with liver stores usually > enough to last for five years of deprivation.* Vitamin B12 > participates with folic acid in DNA synthesis so its deficiency leads > to a similar anemia. There is a separate effect of vitamin B12 > deficiency on the nervous system.>> >> The problem was excacurbated by the fact that I don't drink milk or > eat butter(animal fats) ( I just don't like the taste).>> >> So all ye Vegans out there can you possibly add anything to this . I > am now taking a supplement that contains B12 and thiamine and my > supplement conforms to all 13 true vitamins.( Most multivitamin > preparations do not contain all 13 true vitamins, and the doses of > vitamins they do contain usually deviate far from their RDAs. ).>> >> Is the solution to eat meat for a month every 5 years?>> >> Barrie>> >> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 ;-) Don SV wrote: Another article from Raw School by a 25+ year raw vegan.... read the entire article at: http://snipurl.com/u0nz Shari The B12 issue is an "in the head" game. It's a head game used by the meat industry and a misinformed nutrition/medical/supplement-exspurt industry. It hooks people into meat eating, supplement eating, following exspurts, and otherwise remaining "in the head" and not learning how to follow and trust their own full senses. No other species plays head games with its diet. It is not necessary for life. What is necessary is to follow the full senses when making food choices. It takes a processed food eater (cooking is a processing) many years to slowly tune into their full senses again as s/he gradually improves the diet from an intellectual artificial diet to a natural, normal full sense-based diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Actually I had no idea I had it till I got sick a few years ago and almost died. They discovered that I had the pernicious anemia. I find that I get sick when mine is low even now. I never had a problem with my b-12 until I had my gall bladder out about 10 years ago. Now because of that I have PCS on top of that. I have tried a few things suggested here but they didn't help....so far. Maybe we can find another. The other problem I have is that I was taking the cayenne capsules(couldn't find tincture here) for over a month and then they suddenly started making me sick and I had to stop taking them. It is really frustrating because my stupid body seems to react the opposite to what it should. A few years ago I took Cats claw, garlic and a couple of vitamines and ended up in emerge with high blood pressure. I have never had that.....mine is usually 90/60 which is too low. once I stopped taking it have had no problems with it Kathy L. ----- Original Message ----- From: SV health Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: Re: For Vegans Another article from Raw School by a 25+ year raw vegan.... read the entire article at: http://snipurl.com/u0nz Shari The B12 issue is an "in the head" game. It's a head game used by the meat industry and a misinformed nutrition/medical/supplement-exspurt industry. It hooks people into meat eating, supplement eating, following exspurts, and otherwise remaining "in the head" and not learning how to follow and trust their own full senses. No other species plays head games with its diet. It is not necessary for life. What is necessary is to follow the full senses when making food choices. It takes a processed food eater (cooking is a processing) many years to slowly tune into their full senses again as s/he gradually improves the diet from an intellectual artificial diet to a natural, normal full sense-based diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 You are right about the media and meat industry, but not the medical community – at least not current schooling. B12 deficiency occurs when you don’t eat a good variety of fruits, veggies, nuts, etc. You can be a vegan and get plenty of B12 unless you have an absorption problem which can still be corrected by food choices. The current teaching is NOT to take supplements but to eat whole foods. The natural bacteria that live in our guts make B vitamins, so as long as your body is in balance your vitamins will be too. Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Don Eitner Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:10 AM health Subject: Re: For Vegans ;-) Don SV wrote: Another article from Raw School by a 25+ year raw vegan.... read the entire article at: http://snipurl.com/u0nz Shari The B12 issue is an " in the head " game. It's a head game used by the meat industry and a misinformed nutrition/medical/supplement-exspurt industry. It hooks people into meat eating, supplement eating, following exspurts, and otherwise remaining " in the head " and not learning how to follow and trust their own full senses. No other species plays head games with its diet. It is not necessary for life. What is necessary is to follow the full senses when making food choices. It takes a processed food eater (cooking is a processing) many years to slowly tune into their full senses again as s/he gradually improves the diet from an intellectual artificial diet to a natural, normal full sense-based diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Barrie, don’t supplement unless you have a known deficiency. You are probably getting plenty of B12 in the foods you are eating. If you have a good healthy digestive tract you are getting all the B vitamins you need without supplements. Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Vryland2003 Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:13 AM health Subject: For Vegans For all pure vegetarians No doubt there must be something in the files for the following ,nevertheless , being a vegetarian on and off for some time and now the longest period of time I have been a vegan,(6 years) I came across a potential problem that I have now corrected. To me the problem is B12. Because vitamin B12 is found in animal but not vegetable foods, complete vegetarianism may lead to deficiency. Vitamin B12 was the last of the vitamins to be isolated (in 1948). It is water-soluble, has the highest molecular weight (1,355) of any vitamin, and is absorbed by a complex mechanism. Failure of absorption (pernicious anemia) is more common than dietary deficiency. Vitamin B12 is found only in animal foods, so that vegans (pure vegetarians) are at risk of deficiency over the course of several years. The requirement of vitamin B12 is (with vitamin D) the smallest of all the vitamins, only two micrograms per day, with liver stores usually enough to last for five years of deprivation. Vitamin B12 participates with folic acid in DNA synthesis so its deficiency leads to a similar anemia. There is a separate effect of vitamin B12 deficiency on the nervous system. The problem was excacurbated by the fact that I don't drink milk or eat butter(animal fats) ( I just don't like the taste). So all ye Vegans out there can you possibly add anything to this . I am now taking a supplement that contains B12 and thiamine and my supplement conforms to all 13 true vitamins.( Most multivitamin preparations do not contain all 13 true vitamins, and the doses of vitamins they do contain usually deviate far from their RDAs. ). Is the solution to eat meat for a month every 5 years? Barrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 ......it says take 1-2 at the beginning of a normal meal ....so I am assuming that is only once a day. I also take acidophilus Digestive enzymes are most beneficial when eating cooked foods. I take 2 before I eat any cooked food/meal. When I remember;-). Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Kathy, What does your diet consist of? Foods, drinks, etc... and what meds are you currently taking? Cayenne is always better taken as a tincture or as a food... the capsules surprise the stomach and it is not ready to handle it... as with taking by mouth the taste buds signal the stomach, which in turns gets ready to handle the "hot stuff" Have you ever done a cleanse? SuziAngeldestiny <angeldestiny@...> wrote: Actually I had no idea I had it till I got sick a few years ago and almost died. They discovered that I had the pernicious anemia. I find that I get sick when mine is low even now. I never had a problem with my b-12 until I had my gall bladder out about 10 years ago. Now because of that I have PCS on top of that. I have tried a few things suggested here but they didn't help....so far. Maybe we can find another. The other problem I have is that I was taking the cayenne capsules(couldn't find tincture here) for over a month and then they suddenly started making me sick and I had to stop taking them. It is really frustrating because my stupid body seems to react the opposite to what it should. A few years ago I took Cats claw, garlic and a couple of vitamines and ended up in emerge with high blood pressure. I have never had that.....mine is usually 90/60 which is too low. once I stopped taking it have had no problems with it Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 I drink mostly water w/lemon, OJ and the odd cup of tea. I don't drink/ eat a lot of dairy as I am lactose intollerant and you can hear my stomache a mile away....lol. I hate coffee. Don't drink pop. I know part of my problem is that I don't eat much. I'm not sure what to say here. Not much junk food as it upsets my stomache. Lots of bananas, apples, oranges. Romain salads. I do eat some meat but it's not my favourite so I end up eating very little. I prefer chicken or fish. I have a raisin bagel for breakfast though. don't eat bread very often. I just can't figure out how I could take the cayenne for over a month with no problem and then all of a sudden it made me sick. Wish we could find some tincture around here.....probably if I could go out myself I would find some but I have to rely on hubby to do the shopping...aarrgg. Kathy L. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne health Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: For Vegans Kathy, What does your diet consist of? Foods, drinks, etc... and what meds are you currently taking? Cayenne is always better taken as a tincture or as a food... the capsules surprise the stomach and it is not ready to handle it... as with taking by mouth the taste buds signal the stomach, which in turns gets ready to handle the "hot stuff" Have you ever done a cleanse? SuziAngeldestiny <angeldestinysympatico (DOT) ca> wrote: Actually I had no idea I had it till I got sick a few years ago and almost died. They discovered that I had the pernicious anemia. I find that I get sick when mine is low even now. I never had a problem with my b-12 until I had my gall bladder out about 10 years ago. Now because of that I have PCS on top of that. I have tried a few things suggested here but they didn't help....so far. Maybe we can find another. The other problem I have is that I was taking the cayenne capsules(couldn't find tincture here) for over a month and then they suddenly started making me sick and I had to stop taking them. It is really frustrating because my stupid body seems to react the opposite to what it should. A few years ago I took Cats claw, garlic and a couple of vitamines and ended up in emerge with high blood pressure. I have never had that.....mine is usually 90/60 which is too low. once I stopped taking it have had no problems with it Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Do you have ulcers? Cayenne will cure it but it pains in the process... Do you eat much in greens, veggies? Do you like carrots? carrot juice? apples? Have you ever fasted? with juices? Why not make your own tincture.. it is so easy... acv or alcohol and habeneros or cayenne peppers (any really hot peppers)... Do you take any enzymes? SuziAngeldestiny <angeldestiny@...> wrote: I drink mostly water w/lemon, OJ and the odd cup of tea. I don't drink/ eat a lot of dairy as I am lactose intollerant and you can hear my stomache a mile away....lol. I hate coffee. Don't drink pop. I know part of my problem is that I don't eat much. I'm not sure what to say here. Not much junk food as it upsets my stomache. Lots of bananas, apples, oranges. Romain salads. I do eat some meat but it's not my favourite so I end up eating very little. I prefer chicken or fish. I have a raisin bagel for breakfast though. don't eat bread very often. I just can't figure out how I could take the cayenne for over a month with no problem and then all of a sudden it made me sick. Wish we could find some tincture around here.....probably if I could go out myself I would find some but I have to rely on hubby to do the shopping...aarrgg. Kathy L. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne health Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: For Vegans Kathy, What does your diet consist of? Foods, drinks, etc... and what meds are you currently taking? Cayenne is always better taken as a tincture or as a food... the capsules surprise the stomach and it is not ready to handle it... as with taking by mouth the taste buds signal the stomach, which in turns gets ready to handle the "hot stuff" Have you ever done a cleanse? SuziAngeldestiny <angeldestinysympatico (DOT) ca> wrote: Actually I had no idea I had it till I got sick a few years ago and almost died. They discovered that I had the pernicious anemia. I find that I get sick when mine is low even now. I never had a problem with my b-12 until I had my gall bladder out about 10 years ago. Now because of that I have PCS on top of that. I have tried a few things suggested here but they didn't help....so far. Maybe we can find another. The other problem I have is that I was taking the cayenne capsules(couldn't find tincture here) for over a month and then they suddenly started making me sick and I had to stop taking them. It is really frustrating because my stupid body seems to react the opposite to what it should. A few years ago I took Cats claw, garlic and a couple of vitamines and ended up in emerge with high blood pressure. I have never had that.....mine is usually 90/60 which is too low. once I stopped taking it have had no problems with it Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ http://360./suziesgoats How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 ok...no ulcers at least check....unless this gave me one Try to eat greens but hard to keep them in our fridge for long...it freezes things. Love carrots and eat lots but I don't like them raw. Love ACV and have it as much as possible on food.....also give it to my birds. I do take enzymes but......confused on directions.....it says take 1-2 at the beginning of a normal meal ....so I am assuming that is only once a day. I also take acidophilus We only use sea salt too if that makes a difference. Believe it of not....you have changed things around here.....unfortunatelyit is going slow as I have to rely on others to shop for me and sometimes they don't listen to me or look at the list. hard to make anything around here....I tend to mess things like that up :-(. Kathy L. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne health Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: Re: For Vegans Do you have ulcers? Cayenne will cure it but it pains in the process... Do you eat much in greens, veggies? Do you like carrots? carrot juice? apples? Have you ever fasted? with juices? Why not make your own tincture.. it is so easy... acv or alcohol and habeneros or cayenne peppers (any really hot peppers)... Do you take any enzymes? SuziAngeldestiny <angeldestinysympatico (DOT) ca> wrote: I drink mostly water w/lemon, OJ and the odd cup of tea. I don't drink/ eat a lot of dairy as I am lactose intollerant and you can hear my stomache a mile away....lol. I hate coffee. Don't drink pop. I know part of my problem is that I don't eat much. I'm not sure what to say here. Not much junk food as it upsets my stomache. Lots of bananas, apples, oranges. Romain salads. I do eat some meat but it's not my favourite so I end up eating very little. I prefer chicken or fish. I have a raisin bagel for breakfast though. don't eat bread very often. I just can't figure out how I could take the cayenne for over a month with no problem and then all of a sudden it made me sick. Wish we could find some tincture around here.....probably if I could go out myself I would find some but I have to rely on hubby to do the shopping...aarrgg. Kathy L. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne health Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: For Vegans Kathy, What does your diet consist of? Foods, drinks, etc... and what meds are you currently taking? Cayenne is always better taken as a tincture or as a food... the capsules surprise the stomach and it is not ready to handle it... as with taking by mouth the taste buds signal the stomach, which in turns gets ready to handle the "hot stuff" Have you ever done a cleanse? SuziAngeldestiny <angeldestinysympatico (DOT) ca> wrote: Actually I had no idea I had it till I got sick a few years ago and almost died. They discovered that I had the pernicious anemia. I find that I get sick when mine is low even now. I never had a problem with my b-12 until I had my gall bladder out about 10 years ago. Now because of that I have PCS on top of that. I have tried a few things suggested here but they didn't help....so far. Maybe we can find another. The other problem I have is that I was taking the cayenne capsules(couldn't find tincture here) for over a month and then they suddenly started making me sick and I had to stop taking them. It is really frustrating because my stupid body seems to react the opposite to what it should. A few years ago I took Cats claw, garlic and a couple of vitamines and ended up in emerge with high blood pressure. I have never had that.....mine is usually 90/60 which is too low. once I stopped taking it have had no problems with it Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ http://360./suziesgoats How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 True Janet, but unfortunately most people do not have a healthy digestive tract. We abuse it through the use of eating cooked foods, using stimulants, eating spicy foods, etc. However, I do agree that he does not need to supplement. However it is his choice. No body ever needs supplements. Number one they are unusable by the body for the most part and number two why waste the money when all you need to do is change your mindset and diet. Don Janet Hamilton wrote: > > Barrie, don’t supplement unless you have a known deficiency. You are > probably getting plenty of B12 in the foods you are eating. If you > have a good healthy digestive tract you are getting all the B vitamins > you need without supplements. > > Janet > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* health > [mailto:health ] *On Behalf Of *Vryland2003 > *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 2:13 AM > *To:* health > *Subject:* For Vegans > > **_For all pure vegetarians_** > > No doubt there must be something in the files for the following > ,nevertheless , being a vegetarian on and off for some time and now > the longest period of time I have been a vegan,(6 years) I came across > a potential problem that I have now corrected. > > To me the problem is B12. > > Because vitamin B12 is found in animal but not vegetable foods, > complete vegetarianism may lead to deficiency. > > Vitamin B12 was the last of the vitamins to be isolated (in 1948). It > is water-soluble, has the highest molecular weight (1,355) of any > vitamin, and is absorbed by a complex mechanism. Failure of absorption > (pernicious anemia) is more common than dietary deficiency. Vitamin > B12 is found only in animal foods, so that vegans (pure vegetarians) > are at risk of deficiency over the course of several years. The > requirement of vitamin B12 is (with vitamin D) the smallest of all the > vitamins, only two micrograms per day, **with liver stores usually > enough to last for five years of deprivation.** Vitamin B12 > participates with folic acid in DNA synthesis so its deficiency leads > to a similar anemia. There is a separate effect of vitamin B12 > deficiency on the nervous system. > > The problem was excacurbated by the fact that I don't drink milk or > eat butter(animal fats) ( I just don't like the taste). > > So all ye Vegans out there can you possibly add anything to this . I > am now taking a supplement that contains B12 and thiamine and my > supplement conforms to all 13 true vitamins.( Most multivitamin > preparations do not contain all 13 true vitamins, and the doses of > vitamins they do contain usually deviate far from their RDAs. ). > > Is the solution to eat meat for a month every 5 years? > > Barrie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Maybe not the medical schooling where you attended Janet, but for the most part most medical schools are not teaching truth, they are teaching pharmaceutical endorsed lies. There may be more and more doctors and nurses who are beginning to see the light but there are still way too many of them pushing ignorance, lies and deceit onto an ignorant public that does not wish to educate itself, for the most part, on what true health really is. Yes you can be vegan and get all the B12 you need but if you have an absorption problem, taking more B12 is not going to do any good unless you take it sublingually or injected. No IF means no B12 absorption, unless you take like 1200 mg orally, then maybe you might be able to ram rod enough through the small intestines. However, all one needs to do is find a qualified fasting coach and do a fast to allow the digestive tract to heal itself. When this happens the stomach returns to its normally scheduled programming, unless it is too far gone from abuse. don Janet Hamilton wrote: > > You are right about the media and meat industry, but not the medical > community – at least not current schooling. B12 deficiency occurs when > you don’t eat a good variety of fruits, veggies, nuts, etc. You can be > a vegan and get plenty of B12 unless you have an absorption problem > which can still be corrected by food choices. The current teaching is > NOT to take supplements but to eat whole foods. The natural bacteria > that live in our guts make B vitamins, so as long as your body is in > balance your vitamins will be too. > > Janet > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* health > [mailto:health ] *On Behalf Of *Don Eitner > *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 10:10 AM > *To:* health > *Subject:* Re: For Vegans > > ;-) > > Don > > SV wrote: > >> Another article from Raw School by a 25+ year raw vegan.... read the >> entire article at: http://snipurl.com/u0nz <http://snipurl.com/u0nz> >> Shari >> >> **The B12 issue is an " in the head " game. It's a head *** >> **game used by the meat industry and a misinformed ** >> **nutrition/medical/supplement-exspurt industry. It hooks people into >> meat eating, supplement eating, following ** >> **exspurts, and otherwise remaining " in the head " and not learning >> how to follow and trust their own full senses. ** >> **No other species plays head games with its diet. It is ** >> **not necessary for life. What is necessary is to follow ** >> **the full senses when making food choices. It takes a ** >> **processed food eater (cooking is a processing) many ** >> **years to slowly tune into their full senses again as ** >> **s/he gradually improves the diet from an intellectual ** >> **artificial diet to a natural, normal full sense-based ** >> **diet.*** >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Also, California, Oregon and Washington are much more progressive than most of the eastern med schools. All major med schools are still under control of pharmaceutical interests and that is not about to change anytime soon. Don Congrats on finishing your first year Janet. Janet Hamilton wrote: > > You are right about the media and meat industry, but not the medical > community – at least not current schooling. B12 deficiency occurs when > you don’t eat a good variety of fruits, veggies, nuts, etc. You can be > a vegan and get plenty of B12 unless you have an absorption problem > which can still be corrected by food choices. The current teaching is > NOT to take supplements but to eat whole foods. The natural bacteria > that live in our guts make B vitamins, so as long as your body is in > balance your vitamins will be too. > > Janet > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* health > [mailto:health ] *On Behalf Of *Don Eitner > *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 10:10 AM > *To:* health > *Subject:* Re: For Vegans > > ;-) > > Don > > SV wrote: > >> Another article from Raw School by a 25+ year raw vegan.... read the >> entire article at: http://snipurl.com/u0nz <http://snipurl.com/u0nz> >> Shari >> >> **The B12 issue is an " in the head " game. It's a head *** >> **game used by the meat industry and a misinformed ** >> **nutrition/medical/supplement-exspurt industry. It hooks people into >> meat eating, supplement eating, following ** >> **exspurts, and otherwise remaining " in the head " and not learning >> how to follow and trust their own full senses. ** >> **No other species plays head games with its diet. It is ** >> **not necessary for life. What is necessary is to follow ** >> **the full senses when making food choices. It takes a ** >> **processed food eater (cooking is a processing) many ** >> **years to slowly tune into their full senses again as ** >> **s/he gradually improves the diet from an intellectual ** >> **artificial diet to a natural, normal full sense-based ** >> **diet.*** >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 I know I am cynical, but most doctors are not doctors for higher idealistic healing virtues. They are in it for the money. Gayla Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html Bill Barnhill is our Rainbow Example! aeranch@... ----- Original Message ----- From: " Don Eitner " <mysticalherbalist@...> <health > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: For Vegans > Also, California, Oregon and Washington are much more progressive than > most of the eastern med schools. All major med schools are still under > control of pharmaceutical interests and that is not about to change > anytime soon. > > Don > > Congrats on finishing your first year Janet. > > Janet Hamilton wrote: >> >> You are right about the media and meat industry, but not the medical >> community – at least not current schooling. B12 deficiency occurs when >> you don’t eat a good variety of fruits, veggies, nuts, etc. You can be >> a vegan and get plenty of B12 unless you have an absorption problem >> which can still be corrected by food choices. The current teaching is >> NOT to take supplements but to eat whole foods. The natural bacteria >> that live in our guts make B vitamins, so as long as your body is in >> balance your vitamins will be too. >> >> Janet >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* health >> [mailto:health ] *On Behalf Of *Don Eitner >> *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 10:10 AM >> *To:* health >> *Subject:* Re: For Vegans >> >> ;-) >> >> Don >> >> SV wrote: >> >>> Another article from Raw School by a 25+ year raw vegan.... read the >>> entire article at: http://snipurl.com/u0nz <http://snipurl.com/u0nz> >>> Shari >>> >>> **The B12 issue is an " in the head " game. It's a head *** >>> **game used by the meat industry and a misinformed ** >>> **nutrition/medical/supplement-exspurt industry. It hooks people into >>> meat eating, supplement eating, following ** >>> **exspurts, and otherwise remaining " in the head " and not learning >>> how to follow and trust their own full senses. ** >>> **No other species plays head games with its diet. It is ** >>> **not necessary for life. What is necessary is to follow ** >>> **the full senses when making food choices. It takes a ** >>> **processed food eater (cooking is a processing) many ** >>> **years to slowly tune into their full senses again as ** >>> **s/he gradually improves the diet from an intellectual ** >>> **artificial diet to a natural, normal full sense-based ** >>> **diet.*** >>> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Cynical or not this is a true enough statement. Actually, I believe that many doctors start out with a true wish and desire to help humanity. However, when you are raised onto a platform of being a near deity it does things to ones ego. There are a lot of people who come really close to worshipping their doctors. Is it any wonder that so many of them are in it for the money? Of course greed from kickbacks and such also plays a major role as does the threat of losing ones position in life because one refuses to play the pharmaceutical game or refuses to bow down to the almighty AMA. As I mentioned, this is beginning to change, albeit very slowly. A doctor is nothing more than a teacher but we, the masses, are the ones responsible for their elevation to near godhood. We have no one to blame but ourselves because we all made the choice to put responsibility for our health into their hands. Now we can all choose to do the opposite but one really needs to educate oneself as to what the laws of nature are. Your health, my health and anyone else's health are all governed by the laws of nature, whether we choose to learn them or remain ignorant of them, and our own choices in following those laws or going against those laws. Our health depends on nothing more nor less. It really is all about choice. What you choose to believe, what you choose to understand, what you choose to think, what you choose to feel about anything is all your own individual choice. Of course, you can choose to be influenced by those who are known as " spin doctors " and who are so craftily employed by the medical establishment, pharmaceutical establishment, government, media, etc. Or you can begin your journey of learning the about the laws of nature, the truth about your own body, how it works, how it is put together, how it functions, what damages it. It really is quite simple but does take you to make it happen. No one else can give this to you, you have to discover it for yourself. It is a very personal journey, I can only share my findings and my truths. Funny and strange as that may seem this is just how this works. My truth may not be yours. To be free or not to be free, that is truly the question at hand. Don Gayla wrote: > I know I am cynical, but most doctors are not doctors for higher idealistic > healing virtues. They are in it for the money. > Gayla > Always Enough Ranch > Acampo, California > http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html > Bill Barnhill is our Rainbow Example! > aeranch@... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Don Eitner " <mysticalherbalist@...> > <health > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:51 PM > Subject: Re: For Vegans > > > >> Also, California, Oregon and Washington are much more progressive than >> most of the eastern med schools. All major med schools are still under >> control of pharmaceutical interests and that is not about to change >> anytime soon. >> >> Don >> >> Congrats on finishing your first year Janet. >> >> Janet Hamilton wrote: >> >>> You are right about the media and meat industry, but not the medical >>> community – at least not current schooling. B12 deficiency occurs when >>> you don’t eat a good variety of fruits, veggies, nuts, etc. You can be >>> a vegan and get plenty of B12 unless you have an absorption problem >>> which can still be corrected by food choices. The current teaching is >>> NOT to take supplements but to eat whole foods. The natural bacteria >>> that live in our guts make B vitamins, so as long as your body is in >>> balance your vitamins will be too. >>> >>> Janet >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* health >>> [mailto:health ] *On Behalf Of *Don Eitner >>> *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 10:10 AM >>> *To:* health >>> *Subject:* Re: For Vegans >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> Don >>> >>> SV wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Another article from Raw School by a 25+ year raw vegan.... read the >>>> entire article at: http://snipurl.com/u0nz <http://snipurl.com/u0nz> >>>> Shari >>>> >>>> **The B12 issue is an " in the head " game. It's a head *** >>>> **game used by the meat industry and a misinformed ** >>>> **nutrition/medical/supplement-exspurt industry. It hooks people into >>>> meat eating, supplement eating, following ** >>>> **exspurts, and otherwise remaining " in the head " and not learning >>>> how to follow and trust their own full senses. ** >>>> **No other species plays head games with its diet. It is ** >>>> **not necessary for life. What is necessary is to follow ** >>>> **the full senses when making food choices. It takes a ** >>>> **processed food eater (cooking is a processing) many ** >>>> **years to slowly tune into their full senses again as ** >>>> **s/he gradually improves the diet from an intellectual ** >>>> **artificial diet to a natural, normal full sense-based ** >>>> **diet.*** >>>> >>>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Many thanks for your response Don, et al We sometimes are or become products of our environments and sometimes refocussing is required to combat the system of attrition that adverserial forces instill upon us. Perhaps I have been chosen to become the latest statistic? Barrie ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Eitner health Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: Re: For Vegans .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 The only non-animal food that I know of that contains bioavailable B12 is aphanizominon flos aquae (AFA) (http://tinyurl.com/g1iz). I have been a vegetarian for maybe 10 years and have been eating AFA for about 8 years, and I have never had a blood test that shows a deficiency of B12. I eat about a gram or two a day. You also need to be sure that you have a well-working intestinal system so your body can assimilate the nutrients. Carol Posted by: " Vryland2003 " vryland2003@... vryland2003 To me the problem is B12. Because vitamin B12 is found in animal but not vegetable foods, complete vegetarianism may lead to deficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Don so true. My both parents worshipped their doctors who killed them by my parents saying yes to the doctors wishes. They did make a choice and I am not blaming the doctors but the consumer. I am presently in a continued battle with my dentist. Basically, always had dental problems, sought help, and got bad help. At times very unaffordable so could be losses attributed to that. Recently got great dental insurance so I took advantage of treatments. Dentist said as soon as my crowns are put on, the work is completed. They did some fillings too, etc. However upon further evaluation by a specialist for root canals and my 2 visits to 2 different dental programs at the schools here, I was was told I had massive amount of work needing to still be done when the other dentist all completed. So, back to the dentist this week trying to ask him how did you not see the other problems...poor lie he gave me and told me I didn't want put root canals and crowns on all the other teeth. I said I never knew they had cavities that needed to be addressed nor did you tell me about the root canals/crowns in this area...he tried to blame it on money factor which was total lie since insurance paid hugh amount of the expenses...he ended up taking full set of xrays of mouth and going to go through each tooth to tell me what he sees, but I told him too what the dentals schoolS said...I am not interested in his treatment plans as I don't have an trust in what he has to say now, but wanted to take the xrays just to show him the lies...now that the dental insurance may not be there any longer but may kick into Cobra plans...can't trust his words any longer.........I believe he lied as an educated consumer too.... CarolgDon Eitner <mysticalherbalist@...> wrote: Cynical or not this is a true enough statement. Actually, I believe that many doctors start out with a true wish and desire to help humanity. However, when you are raised onto a platform of being a near deity it does things to ones ego. There are a lot of people who come really close to worshipping their doctors. Is it any wonder that so many of them are in it for the money? Of course greed from kickbacks and such also plays a major role as does the threat of losing ones position in life because one refuses to play the pharmaceutical game or refuses to bow down to the almighty AMA.As I mentioned, this is beginning to change, albeit very slowly. A doctor is nothing more than a teacher but we, the masses, are the ones responsible for their elevation to near godhood. We have no one to blame but ourselves because we all made the choice to put responsibility for our health into their hands. Now we can all choose to do the opposite but one really needs to educate oneself as to what the laws of nature are. Your health, my health and anyone else's health are all governed by the laws of nature, whether we choose to learn them or remain ignorant of them, and our own choices in following those laws or going against those laws. Our health depends on nothing more nor less. It really is all about choice.What you choose to believe, what you choose to understand, what you choose to think, what you choose to feel about anything is all your own individual choice. Of course, you can choose to be influenced by those who are known as "spin doctors" and who are so craftily employed by the medical establishment, pharmaceutical establishment, government, media, etc. Or you can begin your journey of learning the about the laws of nature, the truth about your own body, how it works, how it is put together, how it functions, what damages it. It really is quite simple but does take you to make it happen. No one else can give this to you, you have to discover it for yourself. It is a very personal journey, I can only share my findings and my truths. Funny and strange as that may seem this is just how this works. My truth may not be yours.To be free or not to be free, that is truly the question at hand.DonGayla wrote:> I know I am cynical, but most doctors are not doctors for higher idealistic > healing virtues. They are in it for the money.> Gayla > Always Enough Ranch> Acampo, California> http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html> Bill Barnhill is our Rainbow Example!> aeranch@...>> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Eitner" > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:51 PM> Subject: Re: For Vegans>>> >> Also, California, Oregon and Washington are much more progressive than>> most of the eastern med schools. All major med schools are still under>> control of pharmaceutical interests and that is not about to change>> anytime soon.>>>> Don>>>> Congrats on finishing your first year Janet.>>>> Janet Hamilton wrote:>> >>> You are right about the media and meat industry, but not the medical>>> community – at least not current schooling. B12 deficiency occurs when>>> you don’t eat a good variety of fruits, veggies, nuts, etc. You can be>>> a vegan and get plenty of B12 unless you have an absorption problem>>> which can still be corrected by food choices. The current teaching is>>> NOT to take supplements but to eat whole foods. The natural bacteria>>> that live in our guts make B vitamins, so as long as your body is in>>> balance your vitamins will be too.>>>>>> Janet>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------>>>>>> *From:* health >>> [mailto:health ] *On Behalf Of *Don Eitner>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2006 10:10 AM>>> *To:* health >>> *Subject:* Re: For Vegans>>>>>> ;-)>>>>>> Don>>>>>> SV wrote:>>>>>> >>>> Another article from Raw School by a 25+ year raw vegan.... read the>>>> entire article at: http://snipurl.com/u0nz >>>> Shari>>>>>>>> **The B12 issue is an "in the head" game. It's a head ***>>>> **game used by the meat industry and a misinformed **>>>> **nutrition/medical/supplement-exspurt industry. It hooks people into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 The only thing with algae is, if you are prone to liver problems stay away. Weird livers run in my family and I'm not about the push my boundaries so I quit taking this product after an article came out about a specific algae found in this particular brand. Don't ask me which one an don't ask me about the article. It was pre raw food and I didn't save anything about that era. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Hi Carol When you say you are a vegetarian, do you just not eat meat? What about poultry, fish or milk? I'll check this website out later(It's 0325am here) Barrie ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Minnick health Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Re: For Vegans The only non-animal food that I know of that contains bioavailable B12 is aphanizominon flos aquae (AFA) (http://tinyurl.com/g1iz). I have been a vegetarian for maybe 10 years and have been eating AFA for about 8 years, and I have never had a blood test that shows a deficiency of B12. I eat about a gram or two a day. You also need to be sure that you have a well-working intestinal system so your body can assimilate the nutrients. Carol Posted by: "Vryland2003" vryland2003 (DOT) co.uk vryland2003 To me the problem is B12. Because vitamin B12 is found in animal but not vegetable foods, complete vegetarianism may lead to deficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Hi Janet Unfortunately or fortunately as the case is I am already supplementing and I must say it has rectified a problem. I was feeling lethargic with low energy levels, heavy limb movements etc but I have not seen a physician. Don't think there is a need to. Barrie ----- Original Message ----- From: Janet Hamilton health Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:41 PM Subject: RE: For Vegans Barrie, don’t supplement unless you have a known deficiency. You are probably getting plenty of B12 in the foods you are eating. If you have a good healthy digestive tract you are getting all the B vitamins you need without supplements. Janet From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Vryland2003Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:13 AMhealth Subject: For Vegans For all pure vegetarians No doubt there must be something in the files for the following ,nevertheless , being a vegetarian on and off for some time and now the longest period of time I have been a vegan,(6 years) I came across a potential problem that I have now corrected. To me the problem is B12. Because vitamin B12 is found in animal but not vegetable foods, complete vegetarianism may lead to deficiency. Vitamin B12 was the last of the vitamins to be isolated (in 1948). It is water-soluble, has the highest molecular weight (1,355) of any vitamin, and is absorbed by a complex mechanism. Failure of absorption (pernicious anemia) is more common than dietary deficiency. Vitamin B12 is found only in animal foods, so that vegans (pure vegetarians) are at risk of deficiency over the course of several years. The requirement of vitamin B12 is (with vitamin D) the smallest of all the vitamins, only two micrograms per day, with liver stores usually enough to last for five years of deprivation. Vitamin B12 participates with folic acid in DNA synthesis so its deficiency leads to a similar anemia. There is a separate effect of vitamin B12 deficiency on the nervous system. The problem was excacurbated by the fact that I don't drink milk or eat butter(animal fats) ( I just don't like the taste). So all ye Vegans out there can you possibly add anything to this . I am now taking a supplement that contains B12 and thiamine and my supplement conforms to all 13 true vitamins.( Most multivitamin preparations do not contain all 13 true vitamins, and the doses of vitamins they do contain usually deviate far from their RDAs. ). Is the solution to eat meat for a month every 5 years? Barrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Shari, I don’t know where you got this information from, but it is not correct. I don’t know what you mean by “a specific algae found in this particular brand”. In the brand that I use, there is only one type of algae, and that is AFA. There may be other companies who aren’t quite as fastidious in their processing, where you may find more than one type of algae in a capsule, but not the brand I use. The company has been in business since 1982 and has never had one reported problem. Carol Posted by: " SV " shavig@... shavig The only thing with algae is, if you are prone to liver problems stay away. Weird livers run in my family and I'm not about the push my boundaries so I quit taking this product after an article came out about Don't ask me which one an don't ask me about the article. It was pre raw food and I didn't save anything about that era. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Hi Barrie, I do not eat any dairy products. I will eat maybe fish or turkey one meal every other month or so, if we happen to go to friend’s house for dinner – I’ll eat what they serve and not make a big deal of it with them. Carol Posted by: " Vryland2003 " vryland2003@... vryland2003 Hi Carol When you say you are a vegetarian, do you just not eat meat? What about poultry, fish or milk? I'll check this website out later(It's 0325am here) Barrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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