Re: low blood sugar episodes -

[Guest guest]

My advice...

Call your Surgeon-Dr. Rutledge immediately!!!! You don't want to waste time

writing to the board - this is what I would consider a medical emergency - and I

did it once, I'd be on the phone and on my way to the nearest dr. or E.R.

Please take care of yourself and talk to - Dr. Rutledge (Private cell phone)

702-953-7066 or 702-215-9550 - ASAP!! Best of luck !!!

A very concerned Michele in GA please update us when you are up to it!

O'Neill <threedognitemare@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have had several episodes of what I believe to be extremely low blood

sugar- just wondering if anyone else has had this. I am not sure what brings

it on- but when I am awake- my mind goes numb, I have intense sweating, I am

almost incoherent- usually needing assistance to walk- then I become

extremely tired and fall into a deep sleep. Sweat literally drips from then

ends of my hair- and have tried drinking pepsi- eating something sugary- but

it doesn't really seem to help. Usually I wake up about 3-4 hours later and

I am back to normal. It is pretty scary. I have looked up low blood sugar on

the internet and these are considered moderate symptoms. What I read says

that if your stomach empties too rapidly you can have this problem. I am

wondering if this is common for gastric bypass patients.

O'Neill

7/1/2003 Dr. R

222/145

---------------------------------

All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your concern. This situation has only happened a few times-

separated by months. So I don't feel it is a medical emergency unless it is

happening frequently or right now. I do plan on speaking to my regular

doctor about it- and I sent Dr R an email- but I haven't heard anything.

Thanks again

>From: Chels <chels_70@...>

>MGB Post-op Group < >,

>threedognitemare@...

>Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:40:52 -0700 (PDT)

>

>My advice...

>

> Call your Surgeon-Dr. Rutledge immediately!!!! You don't want to waste

>time writing to the board - this is what I would consider a medical

>emergency - and I did it once, I'd be on the phone and on my way to the

>nearest dr. or E.R.

>

> Please take care of yourself and talk to - Dr. Rutledge (Private cell

>phone) 702-953-7066 or 702-215-9550 - ASAP!! Best of luck !!!

>

> A very concerned Michele in GA please update us when you are up to it!

>

> O'Neill <threedognitemare@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

>I have had several episodes of what I believe to be extremely low blood

>sugar- just wondering if anyone else has had this. I am not sure what

>brings

>it on- but when I am awake- my mind goes numb, I have intense sweating, I

>am

>almost incoherent- usually needing assistance to walk- then I become

>extremely tired and fall into a deep sleep. Sweat literally drips from then

>ends of my hair- and have tried drinking pepsi- eating something sugary-

>but

>it doesn't really seem to help. Usually I wake up about 3-4 hours later and

>I am back to normal. It is pretty scary. I have looked up low blood sugar

>on

>the internet and these are considered moderate symptoms. What I read says

>that if your stomach empties too rapidly you can have this problem. I am

>wondering if this is common for gastric bypass patients.

>

> O'Neill

>7/1/2003 Dr. R

>222/145

>

>

>

>

>

>

>---------------------------------

> All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done

>faster.

[Guest guest]

It is always best to call Dr. Rutledge. Can you imagine how many e-mails he

gets in one day and how easy it is for them to get lost. Call him if your

having real problems.

Hugs,

Dr. Rutledge

5/17/06

246/196/140 = 50 lbs

high/today/goal

34 minutes/6 ft. by-pass

[Guest guest]

8/25/2006, threedognitemare@... writes: << Thank you for your

concern. This situation has only happened a few times- separated by months. So

I

don't feel it is a medical emergency unless it is happening frequently or right

now. I do plan on speaking to my regular doctor about it- and I sent Dr R an

email- but I haven't heard anything.>>

Hi ,

I have developed the same problem of, what feels like, hypoglycemic

" episodes " since my MGB; never really had it before the surgery unless I

ingested

insane amounts of sugary foods (but even at 253 lbs, was not my main caloric

intake problem - I just liked to eat a LOT).

I have never been diabetic nor hypoglycemic before. According to medical

definition, I'm still neither of these 2 things. But as of the last 2 or so

years, I sometimes space out, can't carry conversations, go into " auto pilot

mode " of basic instincts in order to avoid getting hurt, etc etc. Just a few

weeks ago I drove right by the interstate exit to my house, like it was

nothing.

I went into auto-pilot mode and wound up " waking up " on a back road to my

house some 10 minutes later. Don't remember how I got there...I just got there.

I haven't lived in this town but for 6 months, so I thought maybe I just

displaced myself on the highway, but when I " woke up " on the back road, it took

me a minute to recognise where I was. I hadn't felt that frightened in a

longggggggg time.

I have been tested over and over and over again and there is not one stitch

of medical evidence that my body is going through any physiological changes so

all of my Docs are baffled, and quite frankly, not seemingly too concerned!

There is no rhyme or reason when these episodes happen.

There is only one thing that remains a constant if I let it - (and I dislike

this because my Hubby and I only get 1 day a week to enjoy mornings

together) - a proper Sunday breakfast - a, as in one singular, cup of coffee

(yes, a

cardinal MGB no-no), a serving of fruit or 2-4 oz yogurt, an egg, 1 slice

bacon, 1 slice low carb toast w/tsp peanut butter or some simply fruit spread -

DOES NOT, and I mean DOES NOT stay with me. I am guaranteed a mental-stupid

episode within 1 hr of eating. I'm better off eating just a Tb of peanut

butter, period. Go figure.

In any event, I hope they figure out what is causing your ailments. In the

meantime, I keep plugging on, just hoping that I make it through whenever it

happens.

BTW, you may wish to keep a snack in your purse and car at all times

(haven't kept up with your posts, sorry if you already made mention of this). It

has

bailed me out plenty of times in 1-2 hr traffic jams going up I-85!

*huggs*

Best regards,

Patty Arthur

5'3 " , 253/145.5/???

8/25/03, MGB, Stsvl, Drs. R & Chery

*** CHOOSE YOUR PLASTIC SURGEON WISELY *** AVOID COSTLY MISTAKES!!! ***

12/2/04, TT & BA: 5/31/05, Arm tuck, donut lift, TT rev, Legs lipo: 8/25/05,

Thighs: Chlt, Dr.P.Tucker

8/16/06, *corrections* to legs, Mastopexy w/implant removal: Chlt, Dr. S.

Don

[Guest guest]

I'd like to know what Dr. R says. I had a couple of episodes like this a few

months ago, in the middle of the night. I honestly thought I was going to

die...it scared my husband to death. It was like I was on the very verge of

passing out but it lasted for a few minutes....it kept stroking my forehead

telling me it would be ok. After the episode was over, I waited a few minutes,

go up to go to the bathroom and BAM...it hit again. VERY VERY scary.

Marie P/Florida

MGB 3/2001

Re: low blood sugar episodes -

>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:40:52 -0700 (PDT)

>

>My advice...

>

> Call your Surgeon-Dr. Rutledge immediately!!!! You don't want to waste

>time writing to the board - this is what I would consider a medical

>emergency - and I did it once, I'd be on the phone and on my way to the

>nearest dr. or E.R.

>

> Please take care of yourself and talk to - Dr. Rutledge (Private cell

>phone) 702-953-7066 or 702-215-9550 - ASAP!! Best of luck !!!

>

> A very concerned Michele in GA please update us when you are up to it!

>

> O'Neill <threedognitemare@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

>I have had several episodes of what I believe to be extremely low blood

>sugar- just wondering if anyone else has had this. I am not sure what

>brings

>it on- but when I am awake- my mind goes numb, I have intense sweating, I

>am

>almost incoherent- usually needing assistance to walk- then I become

>extremely tired and fall into a deep sleep. Sweat literally drips from then

>ends of my hair- and have tried drinking pepsi- eating something sugary-

>but

>it doesn't really seem to help. Usually I wake up about 3-4 hours later and

>I am back to normal. It is pretty scary. I have looked up low blood sugar

>on

>the internet and these are considered moderate symptoms. What I read says

>that if your stomach empties too rapidly you can have this problem. I am

>wondering if this is common for gastric bypass patients.

>

> O'Neill

>7/1/2003 Dr. R

>222/145

>

>

>

>

>

>

>---------------------------------

> All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done

>faster.

[Guest guest]

Thank you to everyone for you insights. The weird thing is that I do eat

regularly, for the most part- I am trying to see if there might be a

pattern. Another weird thing is that the episodes usually occurs 1-2 hours

after I eat. When I looked up the info for low blood sugar on google- there

was one site that did say episodes could be brought on by rapid emptying of

the stomach- I am wondering if that is what it is.

I have had a few epidsodes with the shakiness and dizziness that is cured by

eating. But this is much different. I really feel that my mind has gone

numb, the sweating is so severe that it is dripping off the ends of my hair,

I am unable to function- carry on a conversation, walk steadily, I actually

need assistance. The last time this happened I was on vacation- my husband

helped me back to our room and I drank pepsi and had a piece of fudge- I

felt a little better- but extremely tired- I then fell into a deep sleep-

and didn't move an inch for about 3-4 hours before I woke up and then I was

fine.

The other times it has happened I have been at home and I have just gone to

sleep. I am going to check with my regular doctor and watch what I eat to

see if there is a pattern. Again this has happened about 4-5 times over the

past year so it is unpredictable. I now carry glucose tablets in my purse to

see if that will help. I haven't tried eating protein when it happens but

that is because I have been alone and really out of it- to know what to do

other than sleep. For the very mild symptoms of shakiness and weakness- I do

eat cheese and crackers or peanut butter and crackers and I feel better. But

again this is very different and I usually do eat every 2-4 hours.

Thanks again,

>From: NCGorgeous1963@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:11:12 EDT

>

>

>

>8/25/2006, threedognitemare@... writes: << Thank you for your

>concern. This situation has only happened a few times- separated by

>months. So I

>don't feel it is a medical emergency unless it is happening frequently or

>right

>now. I do plan on speaking to my regular doctor about it- and I sent Dr R

>an

>email- but I haven't heard anything.>>

>

>Hi ,

>

>

>

>I have developed the same problem of, what feels like, hypoglycemic

> " episodes " since my MGB; never really had it before the surgery unless I

>ingested

>insane amounts of sugary foods (but even at 253 lbs, was not my main

>caloric

>intake problem - I just liked to eat a LOT).

>

>I have never been diabetic nor hypoglycemic before. According to medical

>definition, I'm still neither of these 2 things. But as of the last 2 or so

>years, I sometimes space out, can't carry conversations, go into " auto

>pilot

>mode " of basic instincts in order to avoid getting hurt, etc etc. Just a

>few

>weeks ago I drove right by the interstate exit to my house, like it was

>nothing.

>I went into auto-pilot mode and wound up " waking up " on a back road to my

>house some 10 minutes later. Don't remember how I got there...I just got

>there.

>I haven't lived in this town but for 6 months, so I thought maybe I just

>displaced myself on the highway, but when I " woke up " on the back road, it

>took

>me a minute to recognise where I was. I hadn't felt that frightened in a

>longggggggg time.

>

>I have been tested over and over and over again and there is not one stitch

>of medical evidence that my body is going through any physiological changes

>so

> all of my Docs are baffled, and quite frankly, not seemingly too

>concerned!

>There is no rhyme or reason when these episodes happen.

>

>There is only one thing that remains a constant if I let it - (and I

>dislike

>this because my Hubby and I only get 1 day a week to enjoy mornings

>together) - a proper Sunday breakfast - a, as in one singular, cup of

>coffee (yes, a

>cardinal MGB no-no), a serving of fruit or 2-4 oz yogurt, an egg, 1 slice

>bacon, 1 slice low carb toast w/tsp peanut butter or some simply fruit

>spread -

>DOES NOT, and I mean DOES NOT stay with me. I am guaranteed a

>mental-stupid

>episode within 1 hr of eating. I'm better off eating just a Tb of peanut

>butter, period. Go figure.

>

>In any event, I hope they figure out what is causing your ailments. In the

>meantime, I keep plugging on, just hoping that I make it through whenever

>it

>happens.

>BTW, you may wish to keep a snack in your purse and car at all times

>(haven't kept up with your posts, sorry if you already made mention of

>this). It has

>bailed me out plenty of times in 1-2 hr traffic jams going up I-85!

>

>*huggs*

>Best regards,

>Patty Arthur

>5'3 " , 253/145.5/???

>8/25/03, MGB, Stsvl, Drs. R & Chery

>*** CHOOSE YOUR PLASTIC SURGEON WISELY *** AVOID COSTLY MISTAKES!!! ***

>12/2/04, TT & BA: 5/31/05, Arm tuck, donut lift, TT rev, Legs lipo:

>8/25/05,

>Thighs: Chlt, Dr.P.Tucker

>8/16/06, *corrections* to legs, Mastopexy w/implant removal: Chlt, Dr. S.

>Don

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just wondering if either of you have had your nutrition levels checks. I

have another friend (postMGB 6 years) who has had some serious cognitive

problems that I believe were related to B vitamins. Her levels were NORMAL,

but low. Once she got them back to much higher ranges, it went away. She

was being given the name of a person on her cell phone while driving and she

couldn't repeat the name back to the person correctly. Pretty scary. Just

a thought;, although I have to admit what you describe sounds much more like

blood sugar issues to me, too. I am CERTAIN, from my own experiences, that

our nutritional levels need to be better, higher than just within the normal

range. Just remember that our family doctors frequently don't really

understand all the issues that go with WLS patients...we have to learn from

each other, do our own research, and push doctors to consider things they

might not otherwise consider.

Right now, I am on a MISSION to figure out the source of my edema. I know

that it can be the result of a weak heart muscle...pretty scary since we can

lose muscle mass while losing weight and our hearts are muscles. I know

kidney disease can impact it at as well.. I have had a complete work up and

that is not the issue....And then their is protein that can impact water

retention. I am still working on getting my protein level higher than just

in the range...right now I am 3.4 with 3.5 being the bottom of the range.

Once I get that higher, I want SOMEONE to help be figure out how to NOT need

to take lasix. I am 50 and don't want to take them for the rest of my life

but am miserable without them. My concern is that part of it is the salt we

need. I hope not, because that would be hard to fix. I think that exercise

may improve the circulation and help as well. As soon as I can add that back

into my life...that will be my next step.

Anyway, I ramble. Good luck with figuring this out but DON'T stop...get

SOMEONE to figure this out for you.

V

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of NCGorgeous1963@...

Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:11 AM

Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

8/25/2006, threedognitemare@ <mailto:threedognitemare%40hotmail.com>

hotmail.com writes: << Thank you for your

concern. This situation has only happened a few times- separated by months.

So I

don't feel it is a medical emergency unless it is happening frequently or

right

now. I do plan on speaking to my regular doctor about it- and I sent Dr R an

email- but I haven't heard anything.>>

Hi ,

I have developed the same problem of, what feels like, hypoglycemic

" episodes " since my MGB; never really had it before the surgery unless I

ingested

insane amounts of sugary foods (but even at 253 lbs, was not my main caloric

intake problem - I just liked to eat a LOT).

I have never been diabetic nor hypoglycemic before. According to medical

definition, I'm still neither of these 2 things. But as of the last 2 or so

years, I sometimes space out, can't carry conversations, go into " auto pilot

mode " of basic instincts in order to avoid getting hurt, etc etc. Just a few

weeks ago I drove right by the interstate exit to my house, like it was

nothing.

I went into auto-pilot mode and wound up " waking up " on a back road to my

house some 10 minutes later. Don't remember how I got there...I just got

there.

I haven't lived in this town but for 6 months, so I thought maybe I just

displaced myself on the highway, but when I " woke up " on the back road, it

took

me a minute to recognise where I was. I hadn't felt that frightened in a

longggggggg time.

I have been tested over and over and over again and there is not one stitch

of medical evidence that my body is going through any physiological changes

so

all of my Docs are baffled, and quite frankly, not seemingly too concerned!

There is no rhyme or reason when these episodes happen.

There is only one thing that remains a constant if I let it - (and I dislike

this because my Hubby and I only get 1 day a week to enjoy mornings

together) - a proper Sunday breakfast - a, as in one singular, cup of coffee

(yes, a

cardinal MGB no-no), a serving of fruit or 2-4 oz yogurt, an egg, 1 slice

bacon, 1 slice low carb toast w/tsp peanut butter or some simply fruit

spread -

DOES NOT, and I mean DOES NOT stay with me. I am guaranteed a mental-stupid

episode within 1 hr of eating. I'm better off eating just a Tb of peanut

butter, period. Go figure.

In any event, I hope they figure out what is causing your ailments. In the

meantime, I keep plugging on, just hoping that I make it through whenever it

happens.

BTW, you may wish to keep a snack in your purse and car at all times

(haven't kept up with your posts, sorry if you already made mention of

this). It has

bailed me out plenty of times in 1-2 hr traffic jams going up I-85!

*huggs*

Best regards,

Patty Arthur

5'3 " , 253/145.5/???

8/25/03, MGB, Stsvl, Drs. R & Chery

*** CHOOSE YOUR PLASTIC SURGEON WISELY *** AVOID COSTLY MISTAKES!!! ***

12/2/04, TT & BA: 5/31/05, Arm tuck, donut lift, TT rev, Legs lipo: 8/25/05,

Thighs: Chlt, Dr.P.Tucker

8/16/06, *corrections* to legs, Mastopexy w/implant removal: Chlt, Dr. S.

Don

[Guest guest]

Are you sure you are not dumping?

>

> Thank you to everyone for you insights. The weird thing is that I

do eat

> regularly, for the most part- I am trying to see if there might be

a

> pattern. Another weird thing is that the episodes usually occurs 1-

2 hours

> after I eat. When I looked up the info for low blood sugar on

google- there

> was one site that did say episodes could be brought on by rapid

emptying of

> the stomach- I am wondering if that is what it is.

>

> I have had a few epidsodes with the shakiness and dizziness that

is cured by

> eating. But this is much different. I really feel that my mind has

gone

> numb, the sweating is so severe that it is dripping off the ends

of my hair,

> I am unable to function- carry on a conversation, walk steadily, I

actually

> need assistance. The last time this happened I was on vacation- my

husband

> helped me back to our room and I drank pepsi and had a piece of

fudge- I

> felt a little better- but extremely tired- I then fell into a deep

sleep-

> and didn't move an inch for about 3-4 hours before I woke up and

then I was

> fine.

>

> The other times it has happened I have been at home and I have

just gone to

> sleep. I am going to check with my regular doctor and watch what I

eat to

> see if there is a pattern. Again this has happened about 4-5 times

over the

> past year so it is unpredictable. I now carry glucose tablets in

my purse to

> see if that will help. I haven't tried eating protein when it

happens but

> that is because I have been alone and really out of it- to know

what to do

> other than sleep. For the very mild symptoms of shakiness and

weakness- I do

> eat cheese and crackers or peanut butter and crackers and I feel

better. But

> again this is very different and I usually do eat every 2-4 hours.

>

> Thanks again,

>

>

>

>

> >From: NCGorgeous1963@...

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

> >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:11:12 EDT

> >

> >

> >

> >8/25/2006, threedognitemare@... writes: << Thank you for your

> >concern. This situation has only happened a few times- separated

by

> >months. So I

> >don't feel it is a medical emergency unless it is happening

frequently or

> >right

> >now. I do plan on speaking to my regular doctor about it- and I

sent Dr R

> >an

> >email- but I haven't heard anything.>>

> >

> >Hi ,

> >

> >

> >

> >I have developed the same problem of, what feels like,

hypoglycemic

> > " episodes " since my MGB; never really had it before the surgery

unless I

> >ingested

> >insane amounts of sugary foods (but even at 253 lbs, was not my

main

> >caloric

> >intake problem - I just liked to eat a LOT).

> >

> >I have never been diabetic nor hypoglycemic before. According to

medical

> >definition, I'm still neither of these 2 things. But as of the

last 2 or so

> >years, I sometimes space out, can't carry conversations, go

into " auto

> >pilot

> >mode " of basic instincts in order to avoid getting hurt, etc etc.

Just a

> >few

> >weeks ago I drove right by the interstate exit to my house, like

it was

> >nothing.

> >I went into auto-pilot mode and wound up " waking up " on a back

road to my

> >house some 10 minutes later. Don't remember how I got there...I

just got

> >there.

> >I haven't lived in this town but for 6 months, so I thought

maybe I just

> >displaced myself on the highway, but when I " woke up " on the

back road, it

> >took

> >me a minute to recognise where I was. I hadn't felt that

frightened in a

> >longggggggg time.

> >

> >I have been tested over and over and over again and there is not

one stitch

> >of medical evidence that my body is going through any

physiological changes

> >so

> > all of my Docs are baffled, and quite frankly, not seemingly

too

> >concerned!

> >There is no rhyme or reason when these episodes happen.

> >

> >There is only one thing that remains a constant if I let it -

(and I

> >dislike

> >this because my Hubby and I only get 1 day a week to enjoy

mornings

> >together) - a proper Sunday breakfast - a, as in one singular,

cup of

> >coffee (yes, a

> >cardinal MGB no-no), a serving of fruit or 2-4 oz yogurt, an

egg, 1 slice

> >bacon, 1 slice low carb toast w/tsp peanut butter or some simply

fruit

> >spread -

> >DOES NOT, and I mean DOES NOT stay with me. I am guaranteed a

> >mental-stupid

> >episode within 1 hr of eating. I'm better off eating just a Tb

of peanut

> >butter, period. Go figure.

> >

> >In any event, I hope they figure out what is causing your

ailments. In the

> >meantime, I keep plugging on, just hoping that I make it through

whenever

> >it

> >happens.

> >BTW, you may wish to keep a snack in your purse and car at all

times

> >(haven't kept up with your posts, sorry if you already made

mention of

> >this). It has

> >bailed me out plenty of times in 1-2 hr traffic jams going up I-

85!

> >

> >*huggs*

> >Best regards,

> >Patty Arthur

> >5'3 " , 253/145.5/???

> >8/25/03, MGB, Stsvl, Drs. R & Chery

> >*** CHOOSE YOUR PLASTIC SURGEON WISELY *** AVOID COSTLY

MISTAKES!!! ***

> >12/2/04, TT & BA: 5/31/05, Arm tuck, donut lift, TT rev, Legs

lipo:

> >8/25/05,

> >Thighs: Chlt, Dr.P.Tucker

> >8/16/06, *corrections* to legs, Mastopexy w/implant removal:

Chlt, Dr. S.

> >Don

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

8/29/2006, _threedognitemare@..._

(mailto:threedognitemare@...) writes: << Thank you to everyone for you

insights. The weird thing is

that I do eat regularly, for the most part- I am trying to see if there might be

a pattern. Another weird thing is that the episodes usually occurs 1-2 hours

after I eat. When I looked up the info for low blood sugar on google- there

was one site that did say episodes could be brought on by rapid emptying of

the stomach- I am wondering if that is what it is.>>

Dear ,

Please keep us posted. I am particularly interested to see if your docs

figure it out. Outside of the deep, hours-long sleeping and severe shaking, our

symptoms sound identical but I have not made the connection (apparently

neither have my docs) about the rapid tummy emptying! We might all learn

something

very valuable here.

Good luck, Gal. I can definitely relate to the " pains " of it all; it's never

any fun to drench yourself in sweat or (temporarily, but literally) lose

your mind.

BTW, are you near menopausal age? My gyno keeps telling me I " might " be

starting menopause - hummmmmmm. Have you had any plastic surgery? I wonder if

that could be a factor too? Heck, I'm no wiser now than I was 5 minutes ago

before typing this email.

Best regards,

Patty Arthur

5'3 " , 253/145.5/???

8/25/03, MGB, Stsvl, Drs. R & Chery

*** CHOOSE YOUR PLASTIC SURGEON WISELY *** AVOID COSTLY MISTAKES!!! ***

12/2/04, TT & BA: 5/31/05, Arm tuck, donut lift, TT rev, Legs lipo: 8/25/05,

Thighs: Chlt, Dr.P.Tucker

8/16/06, *corrections* to legs, Mastopexy w/implant removal: Chlt, Dr. S.

Don

[Guest guest]

8/29/2006, valmaboyz@... writes: << Just wondering if either of you

have had your nutrition levels checks. I have another friend (postMGB 6 years)

who has had some serious cognitive problems that I believe were related to B

vitamins. Her levels were NORMAL, but low. Once she got them back to much

higher ranges, it went away.>>

All my labs keep coming back " perfect " , EXCEPT one time I had a vitamin D &

vitamin K deficiency (didn't even know it), and I developed anemia after my

first plastic surgery (now stabilized, thank God).

<< Just remember that our family doctors frequently don't really understand

all the issues that go with WLS patients...we have to learn from each other,

do our own research, and push doctors to consider things they might not

otherwise consider.>>

AMEN to that!

<< Right now, I am on a MISSION to figure out the source of my edema. ...>>

I'm so sorry that you are going through that. I suffered from edema pre-MGB

and they found out it was my potassium levels. Edema can be quite painful. I

hope you get sorted out soon.

*huggs*

Patty Arthur

5'3 " , 253/145.5/???

8/25/03, MGB, Stsvl, Drs. R & Chery

*** CHOOSE YOUR PLASTIC SURGEON WISELY *** AVOID COSTLY MISTAKES!!! ***

12/2/04, TT & BA: 5/31/05, Arm tuck, donut lift, TT rev, Legs lipo: 8/25/05,

Thighs: Chlt, Dr.P.Tucker

8/16/06, *corrections* to legs, Mastopexy w/implant removal: Chlt, Dr. S. Don

[Guest guest]

I had my MGB almost two years ago. Before I lost 140 pounds my sugar ran in the

3 and 4 hundreds. I was taking 5 insulin shots a day had a yeast infection for 4

months straight (no kidding). From the day of my surgery I have been off all

meds and insulin. My sugar runs around 100 to 120. I do get low sugars

sometimes. It has been as low as 17. I have the same symptoms as you. It drains

me and I sleep for hours. It makes me act like a looney. Once I was outside in

my gown looking for squirrels, and another time I was talking to the statue of

Mc in Wal-Mart. I know I must look drunk but I don't drink. I carry

glucose tablets with me. They cost a dollar or two and help. The only problem is

sometimes it comes on so fast I don't realize its low until its really low. I

still have to watch my sugar intake since my body is over producing insulin now

when I eat to much sugar or too many carbs. Be careful what you eat and make

sure eat frequently. This doesn't happen

often with me either maybe once every two or three months. Jill Lakeland,

Fl. Dr. R. in Statesville

O'Neill <threedognitemare@...> wrote: Thank you for your

concern. This situation has only happened a few times-

separated by months. So I don't feel it is a medical emergency unless it is

happening frequently or right now. I do plan on speaking to my regular

doctor about it- and I sent Dr R an email- but I haven't heard anything.

Thanks again

>From: Chels <chels_70@...>

>MGB Post-op Group < >,

>threedognitemare@...

>Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:40:52 -0700 (PDT)

>

>My advice...

>

> Call your Surgeon-Dr. Rutledge immediately!!!! You don't want to waste

>time writing to the board - this is what I would consider a medical

>emergency - and I did it once, I'd be on the phone and on my way to the

>nearest dr. or E.R.

>

> Please take care of yourself and talk to - Dr. Rutledge (Private cell

>phone) 702-953-7066 or 702-215-9550 - ASAP!! Best of luck !!!

>

> A very concerned Michele in GA please update us when you are up to it!

>

> O'Neill <threedognitemare@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

>I have had several episodes of what I believe to be extremely low blood

>sugar- just wondering if anyone else has had this. I am not sure what

>brings

>it on- but when I am awake- my mind goes numb, I have intense sweating, I

>am

>almost incoherent- usually needing assistance to walk- then I become

>extremely tired and fall into a deep sleep. Sweat literally drips from then

>ends of my hair- and have tried drinking pepsi- eating something sugary-

>but

>it doesn't really seem to help. Usually I wake up about 3-4 hours later and

>I am back to normal. It is pretty scary. I have looked up low blood sugar

>on

>the internet and these are considered moderate symptoms. What I read says

>that if your stomach empties too rapidly you can have this problem. I am

>wondering if this is common for gastric bypass patients.

>

> O'Neill

>7/1/2003 Dr. R

>222/145

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for your response. I have had plastic surgery- breast lift with

augmentation- in Feb. but these episodes started before that and seem to be

completely unrelated to that surgery. I am almost 47 years old- but I don't

think I am anywhere near menopausal- due to the fact that my period is like

clock work - every 28 days and I am not on the pill. I do believe it could

be rapid emptying of the stomach- in addition to whatever else I eat.

Because I can eat the same thing and not have the same effect. I did have a

typical low blood sugar episode the other day when I went too long without

eating- queasy and dizzy- and then I had something to eat and was better in

a few minutes- these other episodes are much worse. I haven't made it to my

doc yet but I will hopefully in the next week.

>From: NCGorgeous1963@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:38:38 EDT

>

>

>

>8/29/2006, _threedognitemare@..._

>(mailto:threedognitemare@...) writes: << Thank you to everyone

>for you insights. The weird thing is

>that I do eat regularly, for the most part- I am trying to see if there

>might be

> a pattern. Another weird thing is that the episodes usually occurs 1-2

>hours

> after I eat. When I looked up the info for low blood sugar on google-

>there

>was one site that did say episodes could be brought on by rapid emptying of

>the stomach- I am wondering if that is what it is.>>

>

>

>

>Dear ,

>

>Please keep us posted. I am particularly interested to see if your docs

>figure it out. Outside of the deep, hours-long sleeping and severe

>shaking, our

>symptoms sound identical but I have not made the connection (apparently

>neither have my docs) about the rapid tummy emptying! We might all learn

>something

>very valuable here.

>

>Good luck, Gal. I can definitely relate to the " pains " of it all; it's

>never

>any fun to drench yourself in sweat or (temporarily, but literally) lose

>your mind.

>

>BTW, are you near menopausal age? My gyno keeps telling me I " might " be

>starting menopause - hummmmmmm. Have you had any plastic surgery? I wonder

>if

>that could be a factor too? Heck, I'm no wiser now than I was 5 minutes

>ago

>before typing this email.

>

>

>

>Best regards,

>Patty Arthur

>5'3 " , 253/145.5/???

>8/25/03, MGB, Stsvl, Drs. R & Chery

>*** CHOOSE YOUR PLASTIC SURGEON WISELY *** AVOID COSTLY MISTAKES!!! ***

>12/2/04, TT & BA: 5/31/05, Arm tuck, donut lift, TT rev, Legs lipo:

>8/25/05,

>Thighs: Chlt, Dr.P.Tucker

>8/16/06, *corrections* to legs, Mastopexy w/implant removal: Chlt, Dr. S.

>Don

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wow thanks for your info. Do you get really sweaty with this?- surprisingly

it is mainly my face that sweats- not really the rest of my body. It does

come on suddenly and sometimes you don't realize you even know it is

happening until you are in the middle of it. Glad to know someone else has

experienced it.

>From: Jill <carolyn.smith01@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:27:23 -0700 (PDT)

>

>I had my MGB almost two years ago. Before I lost 140 pounds my sugar ran in

>the 3 and 4 hundreds. I was taking 5 insulin shots a day had a yeast

>infection for 4 months straight (no kidding). From the day of my surgery I

>have been off all meds and insulin. My sugar runs around 100 to 120. I do

>get low sugars sometimes. It has been as low as 17. I have the same

>symptoms as you. It drains me and I sleep for hours. It makes me act like a

>looney. Once I was outside in my gown looking for squirrels, and another

>time I was talking to the statue of Mc in Wal-Mart. I know I

>must look drunk but I don't drink. I carry glucose tablets with me. They

>cost a dollar or two and help. The only problem is sometimes it comes on so

>fast I don't realize its low until its really low. I still have to watch my

>sugar intake since my body is over producing insulin now when I eat to much

>sugar or too many carbs. Be careful what you eat and make sure eat

>frequently. This doesn't happen

> often with me either maybe once every two or three months. Jill

>Lakeland, Fl. Dr. R. in Statesville

>

> O'Neill <threedognitemare@...> wrote: Thank you for

>your concern. This situation has only happened a few times-

>separated by months. So I don't feel it is a medical emergency unless it is

>happening frequently or right now. I do plan on speaking to my regular

>doctor about it- and I sent Dr R an email- but I haven't heard anything.

>

>Thanks again

>

>

>

> >From: Chels <chels_70@...>

> >MGB Post-op Group < >,

> >threedognitemare@...

> >Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:40:52 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >My advice...

> >

> > Call your Surgeon-Dr. Rutledge immediately!!!! You don't want to waste

> >time writing to the board - this is what I would consider a medical

> >emergency - and I did it once, I'd be on the phone and on my way to the

> >nearest dr. or E.R.

> >

> > Please take care of yourself and talk to - Dr. Rutledge (Private cell

> >phone) 702-953-7066 or 702-215-9550 - ASAP!! Best of luck !!!

> >

> > A very concerned Michele in GA please update us when you are up to it!

> >

> > O'Neill <threedognitemare@...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> >I have had several episodes of what I believe to be extremely low blood

> >sugar- just wondering if anyone else has had this. I am not sure what

> >brings

> >it on- but when I am awake- my mind goes numb, I have intense sweating, I

> >am

> >almost incoherent- usually needing assistance to walk- then I become

> >extremely tired and fall into a deep sleep. Sweat literally drips from

>then

> >ends of my hair- and have tried drinking pepsi- eating something sugary-

> >but

> >it doesn't really seem to help. Usually I wake up about 3-4 hours later

>and

> >I am back to normal. It is pretty scary. I have looked up low blood sugar

> >on

> >the internet and these are considered moderate symptoms. What I read says

> >that if your stomach empties too rapidly you can have this problem. I am

> >wondering if this is common for gastric bypass patients.

> >

> > O'Neill

> >7/1/2003 Dr. R

> >222/145

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >---------------------------------

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> >faster.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> C.Jill

>

>---------------------------------

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Good question- I reviewed the symptoms of dumping, I don't have nausea,

diarrhea or dizziness- during these episodes- so I don't think that is it.

>From: " wilsonci " <wilsonci@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:33:06 -0000

>

>Are you sure you are not dumping?

>

>

> >

> > Thank you to everyone for you insights. The weird thing is that I

>do eat

> > regularly, for the most part- I am trying to see if there might be

>a

> > pattern. Another weird thing is that the episodes usually occurs 1-

>2 hours

> > after I eat. When I looked up the info for low blood sugar on

>google- there

> > was one site that did say episodes could be brought on by rapid

>emptying of

> > the stomach- I am wondering if that is what it is.

> >

> > I have had a few epidsodes with the shakiness and dizziness that

>is cured by

> > eating. But this is much different. I really feel that my mind has

>gone

> > numb, the sweating is so severe that it is dripping off the ends

>of my hair,

> > I am unable to function- carry on a conversation, walk steadily, I

>actually

> > need assistance. The last time this happened I was on vacation- my

>husband

> > helped me back to our room and I drank pepsi and had a piece of

>fudge- I

> > felt a little better- but extremely tired- I then fell into a deep

>sleep-

> > and didn't move an inch for about 3-4 hours before I woke up and

>then I was

> > fine.

> >

> > The other times it has happened I have been at home and I have

>just gone to

> > sleep. I am going to check with my regular doctor and watch what I

>eat to

> > see if there is a pattern. Again this has happened about 4-5 times

>over the

> > past year so it is unpredictable. I now carry glucose tablets in

>my purse to

> > see if that will help. I haven't tried eating protein when it

>happens but

> > that is because I have been alone and really out of it- to know

>what to do

> > other than sleep. For the very mild symptoms of shakiness and

>weakness- I do

> > eat cheese and crackers or peanut butter and crackers and I feel

>better. But

> > again this is very different and I usually do eat every 2-4 hours.

> >

> > Thanks again,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >From: NCGorgeous1963@...

> > >Reply-

> > >

> > >Subject: Re: low blood sugar episodes -

> > >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:11:12 EDT

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >8/25/2006, threedognitemare@... writes: << Thank you for your

> > >concern. This situation has only happened a few times- separated

>by

> > >months. So I

> > >don't feel it is a medical emergency unless it is happening

>frequently or

> > >right

> > >now. I do plan on speaking to my regular doctor about it- and I

>sent Dr R

> > >an

> > >email- but I haven't heard anything.>>

> > >

> > >Hi ,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >I have developed the same problem of, what feels like,

>hypoglycemic

> > > " episodes " since my MGB; never really had it before the surgery

>unless I

> > >ingested

> > >insane amounts of sugary foods (but even at 253 lbs, was not my

>main

> > >caloric

> > >intake problem - I just liked to eat a LOT).

> > >

> > >I have never been diabetic nor hypoglycemic before. According to

>medical

> > >definition, I'm still neither of these 2 things. But as of the

>last 2 or so

> > >years, I sometimes space out, can't carry conversations, go

>into " auto

> > >pilot

> > >mode " of basic instincts in order to avoid getting hurt, etc etc.

>Just a

> > >few

> > >weeks ago I drove right by the interstate exit to my house, like

>it was

> > >nothing.

> > >I went into auto-pilot mode and wound up " waking up " on a back

>road to my

> > >house some 10 minutes later. Don't remember how I got there...I

>just got

> > >there.

> > >I haven't lived in this town but for 6 months, so I thought

>maybe I just

> > >displaced myself on the highway, but when I " woke up " on the

>back road, it

> > >took

> > >me a minute to recognise where I was. I hadn't felt that

>frightened in a

> > >longggggggg time.

> > >

> > >I have been tested over and over and over again and there is not

>one stitch

> > >of medical evidence that my body is going through any

>physiological changes

> > >so

> > > all of my Docs are baffled, and quite frankly, not seemingly

>too

> > >concerned!

> > >There is no rhyme or reason when these episodes happen.

> > >

> > >There is only one thing that remains a constant if I let it -

>(and I

> > >dislike

> > >this because my Hubby and I only get 1 day a week to enjoy

>mornings

> > >together) - a proper Sunday breakfast - a, as in one singular,

>cup of

> > >coffee (yes, a

> > >cardinal MGB no-no), a serving of fruit or 2-4 oz yogurt, an

>egg, 1 slice

> > >bacon, 1 slice low carb toast w/tsp peanut butter or some simply

>fruit

> > >spread -

> > >DOES NOT, and I mean DOES NOT stay with me. I am guaranteed a

> > >mental-stupid

> > >episode within 1 hr of eating. I'm better off eating just a Tb

>of peanut

> > >butter, period. Go figure.

> > >

> > >In any event, I hope they figure out what is causing your

>ailments. In the

> > >meantime, I keep plugging on, just hoping that I make it through

>whenever

> > >it

> > >happens.

> > >BTW, you may wish to keep a snack in your purse and car at all

>times

> > >(haven't kept up with your posts, sorry if you already made

>mention of

> > >this). It has

> > >bailed me out plenty of times in 1-2 hr traffic jams going up I-

>85!

> > >

> > >*huggs*

> > >Best regards,

> > >Patty Arthur

> > >5'3 " , 253/145.5/???

> > >8/25/03, MGB, Stsvl, Drs. R & Chery

> > >*** CHOOSE YOUR PLASTIC SURGEON WISELY *** AVOID COSTLY

>MISTAKES!!! ***

> > >12/2/04, TT & BA: 5/31/05, Arm tuck, donut lift, TT rev, Legs

>lipo:

> > >8/25/05,

> > >Thighs: Chlt, Dr.P.Tucker

> > >8/16/06, *corrections* to legs, Mastopexy w/implant removal:

>Chlt, Dr. S.

> > >Don

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >