Re: 30 Rock

[Guest guest]

Well...I had a different take on the show, especially in the end.? When

Dinklages' character walked away from Fey when she again made the child

connection with his size, I thought that was great!

Kate

[Guest guest]

If you missed the episode it's available here

http://www.nbc.com/30_Rock/video/episodes/#vid=920961

>

> Well...I had a different take on the show, especially in the end.?

When Dinklages' character walked away from Fey when she again made the

child connection with his size, I thought that was great!

>

> Kate

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with Kate on this one; it was actually very well done.

The ending couldn't have been better!

And it's not like I'm a fan of the show, this is the first time I've

seen an episode of 30 Rock.

> >

> > Well...I had a different take on the show, especially in the end.?

> When Dinklages' character walked away from Fey when she again made

the child connection with his size, I thought that was great!

> >

> > Kate

>

[Guest guest]

I'm also a fan of the show, but truthfully, it wasn't one of their

funnier episodes.

And it wasn't because of the running gag with Dinklage. They do this

all the time, poking fun at stereotypes (black culture, gays,

hillbillies). I thought Dinklage was fine, and it wasn't over the

top. It was just boring. And predictable.

Although I did like sub plot developing between Alec Baldwin's

character and Selma Hayek.

Bill

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, M <petite_isla@...> wrote:

> I have to agree with Kate on this one; it was actually very well done.

> The ending couldn't have been better!

>

> And it's not like I'm a fan of the show, this is the first time I've

> seen an episode of 30 Rock.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree I thought it was fabulous!?

Marcia from Michigan

Re: 30 Rock

I have to agree with Kate on this one; it was actually very well done.

The ending couldn't have been better!

And it's not like I'm a fan of the show, this is the first time I've

seen an episode of 30 Rock.

> >

> > Well...I had a different take on the show, especially in the end.?

> When Dinklages' character walked away from Fey when she again made

the child connection with his size, I thought that was great!

> >

> > Kate

>

[Guest guest]

I liked the fact that even though Tina Fey's character thought he was a child at

first, she didn't turn him down for coffee. They could've easily made a mockery

of it and her friend was even open to her dating him whereas in life sometimes

the person is interested but don't pursue because of friends that " don't agree. "

I also liked that when he was in his office and she called him to meet at the

bridge on Saturday at 2 that he wasn't very quick to say yes and it didn't even

bother me that she mistook the child at the bridge for Dinklage because that

happens, it is a reality. What bothered me was that Dinklage's character got

upset for mistaking him for a child. To me, that showed lack of self esteem.

It's a reality that people get confused at times and see us as children. It has

happened to me and I just simply tell them, it's ok, I understand and move on

from there. Why am I going to get upset at something they did completely

unintentionally. It's when things are done intentionally that we should get

upset at and walk away from. But that's my two cents worth here... o k now I

gotta get back to my books... Have a great day! -

-- " Bill Bradford " <tslug1@...> wrote:

I'm also a fan of the show, but truthfully, it wasn't one of their

funnier episodes.

And it wasn't because of the running gag with Dinklage. They do this

all the time, poking fun at stereotypes (black culture, gays,

hillbillies). I thought Dinklage was fine, and it wasn't over the

top. It was just boring. And predictable.

Although I did like sub plot developing between Alec Baldwin's

character and Selma Hayek.

Bill

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, M <petite_isla@...> wrote:

> I have to agree with Kate on this one; it was actually very well done.

> The ending couldn't have been better!

>

> And it's not like I'm a fan of the show, this is the first time I've

> seen an episode of 30 Rock.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hmmm. Well, the black, deaf and disabled community may have said they

are equal, but I don't think they get treated as equals.

How many deaf actors do you see on a regular basis? And when you see

them, how often is their deafness not a part of their role? Roles are

getting better for blacks, but they are still depicted, far too often,

as criminals or athletes. Maybe now, with Obama, we'll see them shown

as heads of state or CEOs.

The problem we face is pure numerical disadvantage. We have demanded

equality, but we don't have the critical mass to change public

perception (although, that has gotten a lot better in the past 30

years). What LPs should be doing is allying themselves with other

disability advocacy organizations. Too many of us think " disabled " is

a four-letter word.

Bill

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Marcia <crazycatlady2003@...> wrote:

> I agree- this is sad. Just another validation that we, as a community, need

> to STOP this kind of behavior. As an actor myself, I won't take roles that

> are demeaning, like this one. But at this time, that means I am not working

> as an actor- there is no other work to be had these days. The black

> community, deaf community, disabled community in general, you name it- the

> minorities " have said they were equal, but not us.

> Marcia

[Guest guest]

The deaf community has a thriving theatre community- and theatre is the true

test of acting skills.And they are depicted on TV and in film as human

beings, not as creatures or people to be made fun of, when they are on TV.

And I don't know what other people are watching, but I see many African

Americans as attorneys, doctors, and again, PEOPLE these days- and they are

pretty visible most of the time.

But you are really correct in saying we need to ally ourselves with the

disability community. They are creating a big push to the industry this

year- and we need to be a part of it.

Marcia

-- Re: 30 Rock

Hmmm. Well, the black, deaf and disabled community may have said they

are equal, but I don't think they get treated as equals.

How many deaf actors do you see on a regular basis? And when you see

them, how often is their deafness not a part of their role? Roles are

getting better for blacks, but they are still depicted, far too often,

as criminals or athletes. Maybe now, with Obama, we'll see them shown

as heads of state or CEOs.

The problem we face is pure numerical disadvantage. We have demanded

equality, but we don't have the critical mass to change public

perception (although, that has gotten a lot better in the past 30

years). What LPs should be doing is allying themselves with other

disability advocacy organizations. Too many of us think " disabled " is

a four-letter word.

Bill

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Marcia <crazycatlady2003@...> wrote:

> I agree- this is sad. Just another validation that we, as a community,

need

> to STOP this kind of behavior. As an actor myself, I won't take roles that

> are demeaning, like this one. But at this time, that means I am not

working

> as an actor- there is no other work to be had these days. The black

> community, deaf community, disabled community in general, you name it- the

> minorities " have said they were equal, but not us.

> Marcia

[Guest guest]

All;

30 Rock is probably one of my favorite shows on TV right now. I was a

bit nervous about Dinklage being on the show knowing that they have

said midget before, but then I remembered that Dinklage didn't seem

like the kind of guy to put up with that kind of crap! I didn't find

anything offensive about the episode; even though Liz (Tina Fey's

character) was mortified when she realized she mistook Dinklage for a

child, she ended up developing real feelings for him. This is a

common occurrence for her character, to say and do the wrong thing at

the wrong time -- that's what made it funny. She just couldn't let

that first encounter go and that kept interfering with their

interactions. If you don't regularly watch the show, then you might

not have caught on to the fact that she is almost always this awkward

when it comes to dating and men.

I loved the fact that he worked for the UN (and that a car arrived at

the snap of his fingers), and that you were able to see him in his

office...obviously in charge. I liked that he kept up in banter with

Jack Donaghy (Alec Baldwin) and that Jack liked him. I liked when Liz

heard Kenny ask which bridge Dinklage lived under, again she was

mortified. Come on...how many of us haven't had some dimwit ask us a

stupid question like that?! All of the characters that you would have

expected to have an issue with his height, didn't. And that's what

made it wonderful. I was, however, upset that he did walk away from

her at the end...I didn't think that her walking up from behind and

mistaking a child for him was a dump-worthy offense...but that's just

me. As someone else said, it's reality...it happens! I really would

have liked to see him become a regular guest on the show to explore

their relationship more.

Tricia

[Guest guest]

I just watched the episode online and thought I'd weigh in quickly.

I had not seen this show before because I don't watch much TV in

general (or else how would I have time to feed my internet

addiction?). I can see how it fits into a long tradition of comedy

that can appear to be mocking a minority group at first, when it is

really poking fun at the majority's absurd response to that group.

Does the role emphasize the fact that Dinklage is an LP rather than

just portraying him as a " normal guy? " Absolutely, but in a way that

isn't really mocking him, but rather Tina Fey's over the top response.

She worries about ordering a " tall coffee " and the whole scenario is

very much in line with her character that is mocking the young 30s,

professional, single woman stereo type that was made sexy by Sex and

the City. What makes the episode funny is not Dinklage's size but

Fey's complete inability to handle it like a rational adult.

I did find Dinklage's character to be a bit puffed up and

oversensitive, but didn't think it was beyond the pale given that

every character in the show seemed to have some serious quirks.

However, I do see a bit of a pattern emerging of Dinklage mocking the

" oversensitive egomaniac dwarf that takes himself too seriously "

stereotype, but maybe that is because i watched Elf last week. I hope

these kinds of roles and his lack of involvement in LPA don't indicate

that he is, himself stereotyping our community and it's responses to

discrimination. While his critique would be accurate in some

individual cases, it is in the end a stereotype (which is never

accurate or useful as a general rule).

>

> Grady probably sent out a message about this but a reminder that

Dinklage will appear on the show 30 Rock tonight at 8:30

p.m. central time. 

>  

> I don't know much about the episode but I think Dinklage appears as

a potential romantic interest for the Tina Fey character.  I think

this is great in the context of a line the Fey character delivered a

season or two ago --  " I am going home to eat cheese and watch that

show about midgets. " -- in a moment of angst. 

>  

> thanks,

>  

> gary arnold 

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I am very glad to have been in the minority opinion about 30 Rock. After

reading your reactions, I am able to see that perhaps I made a snap judgement

about it. I chalk it up to being an overprotective mom with very few patience

for anything condescending towards little people. But, I do the positive side

now too.

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