Re: I apologize .. I apparently misunderstood the question

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Being fairly new to this process, only 4 months post op today! I more then

appreciate your straight forward answers, you , Kathy and Jami have been an

inspiration and a great help to me. I am attributing my great results to

following the manual as closely as possible. I have many times wanted to

answer

a question with the question " HAVE YOU READ THE MANUAL? " Not because a

question is stupid or silly, but because having read the whole manual at least

4

times cover to cover plus having used the manual more times then I can count

since surgery to look up questions that I had or simply did not remember, you

can tell that there are some people who are skimming through the manual to

answer their patient letter questions and not looking back.

I personally do not believe in reinventing the wheel, Dr Rutledge has spent

countless hours of his personal time and research to put together a manual

that will help us be as successful as we possibly can with this surgery! Dr

Rutledge invented this wheel! I am just along for the ride! I am down 85 lbs

in 4 months since surgery, 108 lbs since I decided to have the MGB! Please

remember, I weighed 407 when I started this journey, I weighed 384 the day of

surgery, I had a BMI of 58 and I had an 8 ft bypass. I excersize everyday, I

had my first bloodwork done and all is well except, my thyroid number is

high (this ahs been a medicated condition for me for 14 years so it is no

surprise) and my protien was just a hair low! So every day I have to

concentrate,

protein, protein, protein!

Sorry this became such a long winded post, but, I just wanted to let the old

timers know, your input is greatly appreciated and to let the newbies know,

read your manual it is full of good and helpful info!

in Fla

407/384/299/160

hi/perop/now/goal

[Guest guest]

I am an old timer(dec 17, 2001 with Dr R) and you and a few others

always seem to have so much time on your hands to respond to people in a

negative way. I have only posted once in the last 2 years because of the so

called " straight forward " responses. Being an old timer doesn't give you the

right to be rude and condescending. And yes, you should move on with your

life, isn't that why you had the surgery in the first place. Since you are

so comfortable dishing it out I hope you read this and learn something from

an old timer.

from FL

I apologize .. I apparently misunderstood the question

> Since I have now been called " mean " by several let me say that I have

> gone back and re-read the original post from and I apparently

> misunderstood her basic question.

>

> I looked at the question and thought she was asking about fish oil in

> general, which of course is a recommended supplement, and I jumped to

> the assumption that anyone that new postop should, I would think, be

> very familiar with the recommendations from CLOS. But .. you know

> what they say about assumptions (when you assume you make an " a** "

> out of you and me... and in my case my assumption did it's job on me

> anyway.

>

> Apparently was asking more about the effects of the fish oil

> than whether or not it should be taken. I responded to the question

> that she wasn't asking. My apologies to .

>

> I didn't think my post was " mean " . I do think it was " to the point " .

>

> Again let me try and explain where I and some of the other postops

> who get accused of being too " straightforward " are coming from ....

> it seems that the more surgeries that are done, the more centers that

> are opened, etc. the " bible " , aka the manual, is becoming less and

> less important. When we had surgery there was one surgeon, one set

> of rules, etc. Now there are mutliple surgeons, multiple sets of

> rules, and sometimes people are abiding by them, making up their

> own .. or ignoring them all together.

>

> We see people trying to take " shortcuts " , not take the supplements,

> hurry the process, " why do I need to take this " ....etc. That does

> not mean that everyone does it ... but it seems that several do and

> it concerns us.

>

> We as " old timers " are here because we want to help ... whether you

> believe that always or not. We are definitely in the minority.

> Maybe because our experience was so different than most of yours we

> should move on with our lives ... who knows?

>

> When we ask whether you have read, re-read and read again the manual

> it is because there are some out there that have not .... and they

> are putting themselves in danger. We truly are trying to help -- at

> least I personally am - and I obviously don't always go about in the

> best way possible.

>

> Again ... my apologies to all.

>

> in GA

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . You sound like you are doing well... continued

success.

in GA

>

> Dear ,

>

> Being fairly new to this process, only 4 months post op today! I

more then

> appreciate your straight forward answers, you , Kathy and Jami have

been an

> inspiration and a great help to me. I am attributing my great

results to

> following the manual as closely as possible. I have many times

wanted to answer

> a question with the question " HAVE YOU READ THE MANUAL? " Not

because a

> question is stupid or silly, but because having read the whole

manual at least 4

> times cover to cover plus having used the manual more times then I

can count

> since surgery to look up questions that I had or simply did not

remember, you

> can tell that there are some people who are skimming through the

manual to

> answer their patient letter questions and not looking back.

>

> I personally do not believe in reinventing the wheel, Dr Rutledge

has spent

> countless hours of his personal time and research to put together a

manual

> that will help us be as successful as we possibly can with this

surgery! Dr

> Rutledge invented this wheel! I am just along for the ride! I am

down 85 lbs

> in 4 months since surgery, 108 lbs since I decided to have the

MGB! Please

> remember, I weighed 407 when I started this journey, I weighed 384

the day of

> surgery, I had a BMI of 58 and I had an 8 ft bypass. I excersize

everyday, I

> had my first bloodwork done and all is well except, my thyroid

number is

> high (this ahs been a medicated condition for me for 14 years so

it is no

> surprise) and my protien was just a hair low! So every day I have

to concentrate,

> protein, protein, protein!

>

> Sorry this became such a long winded post, but, I just wanted to

let the old

> timers know, your input is greatly appreciated and to let the

newbies know,

> read your manual it is full of good and helpful info!

>

> in Fla

> 407/384/299/160

> hi/perop/now/goal

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Come on Guys. I joined this board recently because I am now almost 11 months

post-op and the pre-op board tends to be mostly about pre-op issues as it

should. I still read it regularly and I now feel comfortable enough to be a

contact. I feel that there is a lot of negativity on this board and it

disheartens me. I want to hear about your successes and YES your failures. We

are not perfect and we are all human beings. We are a special group and no one

else truly understands our experiences except us. I hope we can keep the board

supportive so we can be there for each other. And yes go on living, this has

been a gift for me with a weight loss of 111 lbs and I am enjoying every minute

of it. Just remember we have a responsibility to ourselves and each other. O.K

enough from me.

Happy New Year

Janet Traverse

Ontario, Canada

DR P/DR R Las Vegas

February 8, 2005

PRE-OP 290 NOW 179 Hopefully 140

Scorzetti <denisekp@...> wrote:

I am an old timer(dec 17, 2001 with Dr R) and you and a few others

always seem to have so much time on your hands to respond to people in a

negative way. I have only posted once in the last 2 years because of the so

called " straight forward " responses. Being an old timer doesn't give you the

right to be rude and condescending. And yes, you should move on with your

life, isn't that why you had the surgery in the first place. Since you are

so comfortable dishing it out I hope you read this and learn something from

an old timer.

from FL

I apologize .. I apparently misunderstood the question

> Since I have now been called " mean " by several let me say that I have

> gone back and re-read the original post from and I apparently

> misunderstood her basic question.

>

> I looked at the question and thought she was asking about fish oil in

> general, which of course is a recommended supplement, and I jumped to

> the assumption that anyone that new postop should, I would think, be

> very familiar with the recommendations from CLOS. But .. you know

> what they say about assumptions (when you assume you make an " a** "

> out of you and me... and in my case my assumption did it's job on me

> anyway.

>

> Apparently was asking more about the effects of the fish oil

> than whether or not it should be taken. I responded to the question

> that she wasn't asking. My apologies to .

>

> I didn't think my post was " mean " . I do think it was " to the point " .

>

> Again let me try and explain where I and some of the other postops

> who get accused of being too " straightforward " are coming from ....

> it seems that the more surgeries that are done, the more centers that

> are opened, etc. the " bible " , aka the manual, is becoming less and

> less important. When we had surgery there was one surgeon, one set

> of rules, etc. Now there are mutliple surgeons, multiple sets of

> rules, and sometimes people are abiding by them, making up their

> own .. or ignoring them all together.

>

> We see people trying to take " shortcuts " , not take the supplements,

> hurry the process, " why do I need to take this " ....etc. That does

> not mean that everyone does it ... but it seems that several do and

> it concerns us.

>

> We as " old timers " are here because we want to help ... whether you

> believe that always or not. We are definitely in the minority.

> Maybe because our experience was so different than most of yours we

> should move on with our lives ... who knows?

>

> When we ask whether you have read, re-read and read again the manual

> it is because there are some out there that have not .... and they

> are putting themselves in danger. We truly are trying to help -- at

> least I personally am - and I obviously don't always go about in the

> best way possible.

>

> Again ... my apologies to all.

>

> in GA

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>