Re: Queen of slow losers here.

[Guest guest]

Well I have been out of pocket for 2 weeks due to company but now all will

return to normal I hope. I have only lost 2 lbs since July 1, and it really is

starting to get to me. I share this at the risk of getting jump on by some

but it is a reality for me and this board is about truth if it's about anything.

If not, than why do we communicate with each other. People deciding on

this surgery need to know that not everyone loses the same. It has been over 8

months for me and I have lost 61 lbs. Over 45 lbs was in the first 3 months.

I have been taking my creatine and glutamine and getting the protien in

without much change in weight loss. It is almost getting too painful to see

others

weight loss who had surgery at the same time or after me that have lost so

much weight. But I am so greatful for the weight I have lost and I pray that I

will continue to lose even more.

[Guest guest]

donna.... why would anyone jump on you for not losing weight? I had

a 7 week plateau that i didnt lose one single ounce! when it broke i

lost 4 pounds and promptly went into a 5 week plateau. We

understand ....we have all been there. yes, you are losing very

slowly. I am so sorry and i know it is difficult times. Evenentually

iwent on to lose 60 more pounds, so maybe you will too.

By the way....Are you just venting or wanting suggestions?

be well and let us know when the plateau breaks!

xoxoxoox

cathy s in va

> Well I have been out of pocket for 2 weeks due to company but now

all will

> return to normal I hope. I have only lost 2 lbs since July 1, and

it really is

> starting to get to me. I share this at the risk of getting jump on

by some

> but it is a reality for me and this board is about truth if it's

about anything.

> If not, than why do we communicate with each other. People

deciding on

> this surgery need to know that not everyone loses the same. It has

been over 8

> months for me and I have lost 61 lbs. Over 45 lbs was in the first

3 months.

> I have been taking my creatine and glutamine and getting the

protien in

> without much change in weight loss. It is almost getting too

painful to see others

> weight loss who had surgery at the same time or after me that have

lost so

> much weight. But I am so greatful for the weight I have lost and I

pray that I

> will continue to lose even more.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Miriam here,

girls, girls. I am out one year and still did not reach the 100 lb mark.

Trust me, I am not complaining. But just to say your are not alone. I think slow

is good. Gives our body time to adjust.

7/1/03

250/155/150

Dr. R.

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

I really feel for you. At 14 months, I am stuck. I stopped losing at six

months. It is painful. I go to the gym regularly and have just a couple of

weeks ago started going to Curves. I work out for an hour instead of the

recommended 30 minutes, plus walk an hour every day. I only weigh once a month

now, so it will be a few more days before I know if it is making a difference.

I will let you know. Everything else is by the book. I sure do know how you

feel. It is painful to watch others pass you by. I knew from the getgo that

this was not a sure thing. But, I have never read here about anyone not losing.

Makes it seem like a sure thing, doesn't?

C.

Re: Queen of slow losers here.

Well I have been out of pocket for 2 weeks due to company but now all will

return to normal I hope. I have only lost 2 lbs since July 1, and it really

is

starting to get to me. I share this at the risk of getting jump on by some

but it is a reality for me and this board is about truth if it's about

anything.

If not, than why do we communicate with each other. People deciding on

this surgery need to know that not everyone loses the same. It has been over

8

months for me and I have lost 61 lbs. Over 45 lbs was in the first 3 months.

I have been taking my creatine and glutamine and getting the protien in

without much change in weight loss. It is almost getting too painful to see

others

weight loss who had surgery at the same time or after me that have lost so

much weight. But I am so greatful for the weight I have lost and I pray that

I

will continue to lose even more.

[Guest guest]

Donna,

I feel your pain!!!!! Hang in there. I too am a slow loser and April,

May and June were horrible months for me...1-3 pounds a month...very

depressing. Then all of the sudden July rebounded with a vengence...12

pounds and August is looking pretty good, so far 5 pounds. I am doing

the same things I have always done. But July brought back the Orange

Team Status like crazy...so guess our bodies will let us know when it is

" safe " to start dropping again. I hope all goes well for you and that

you start losing again soon.

PS/ Out of pocket...you are such a SWEET POTATO QUEEN!!!!

Love

Kim W

Dr. H 10-20-03

273-188.5

[Guest guest]

Donna,

My heart goes out to you. I started the creatine about the same time or after

you and every time I put it into my shake or juice I thought of you. I have

lost 10 pounds since then and I think it was that I started walking also in

addition to the creatine. It is too hot to walk now so I haven't done it. I

did notice that I haven't lost anything this week. That tells me that it is the

combination of proteins and exercise that seems to work for me. I will pray for

you every time I put the creatine in my shakes and juice (2x a day). Don't give

up hope, a pound lost is a pound lost forever.

in Phoenix

Dr. Hargroder

02/19/04

261/199/120 5'2 "

Re: Queen of slow losers here.

Well I have been out of pocket for 2 weeks due to company but now all will

return to normal I hope. I have only lost 2 lbs since July 1, and it really

is

starting to get to me. I share this at the risk of getting jump on by some

but it is a reality for me and this board is about truth if it's about

anything.

If not, than why do we communicate with each other. People deciding on

this surgery need to know that not everyone loses the same. It has been over

8

months for me and I have lost 61 lbs. Over 45 lbs was in the first 3 months.

I have been taking my creatine and glutamine and getting the protien in

without much change in weight loss. It is almost getting too painful to see

others

weight loss who had surgery at the same time or after me that have lost so

much weight. But I am so greatful for the weight I have lost and I pray that

I

will continue to lose even more.

[Guest guest]

Donna,

I can really sympathize with you, for I too am losing slower than most. I am

3 months out and have lost 33 pounds. I am 64 years old and understand that

the older patients lose more slowly than the younger ones. One email that I

got from someone (don't remember who) really encouraged me. She said that

she sat at 250 lbs from July until November (I think that was the time

span). When winter set in, she went on to loose down to 180. Who knows why?

I know what you mean about watching others pass you by. You rejoice with

them on their loss, but would love to be on that same train. The good Lord

provided a miracle for me to have this surgery and I know He will see us

through. Be encouraged, He isn't through with us yet,

Regards,

Rhue Green

5/6/04

Dr. Dasher

>From: pintoauto@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Queen of slow losers here.

>Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:25:21 EDT

>

>Well I have been out of pocket for 2 weeks due to company but now all will

>return to normal I hope. I have only lost 2 lbs since July 1, and it

>really is

>starting to get to me. I share this at the risk of getting jump on by some

>but it is a reality for me and this board is about truth if it's about

>anything.

> If not, than why do we communicate with each other. People deciding on

>this surgery need to know that not everyone loses the same. It has been

>over 8

>months for me and I have lost 61 lbs. Over 45 lbs was in the first 3

>months.

>I have been taking my creatine and glutamine and getting the protien in

>without much change in weight loss. It is almost getting too painful to

>see others

>weight loss who had surgery at the same time or after me that have lost so

>much weight. But I am so greatful for the weight I have lost and I pray

>that I

>will continue to lose even more.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna, I'm sorry about the plateau -- it sounds like NO fun! How's the

exercise going?! I just joined Curves, and it seems like a great way to get

into " the game " . It's just for women, and most of the gals at my club are

older (40+) and at least somewhat overweight. Very comfortable atmosphere.

If you aren't already working out somewhere, you might want to check it out

-- in the meantime, keep your chin up -- and keep posting here -- because I

really enjoy reading your posts.

Take care, sweetie!

Joanie

5/25/04

Drs. Walsh and Rutledge

>From: pintoauto@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Queen of slow losers here.

>Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:25:21 EDT

>

>Well I have been out of pocket for 2 weeks due to company but now all will

>return to normal I hope. I have only lost 2 lbs since July 1, and it

>really is

>starting to get to me. I share this at the risk of getting jump on by some

>but it is a reality for me and this board is about truth if it's about

>anything.

> If not, than why do we communicate with each other. People deciding on

>this surgery need to know that not everyone loses the same. It has been

>over 8

>months for me and I have lost 61 lbs. Over 45 lbs was in the first 3

>months.

>I have been taking my creatine and glutamine and getting the protien in

>without much change in weight loss. It is almost getting too painful to

>see others

>weight loss who had surgery at the same time or after me that have lost so

>much weight. But I am so greatful for the weight I have lost and I pray

>that I

>will continue to lose even more.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there, Miriam here,

What is cortislim. sounds like some pills to loose weight.

[Guest guest]

Miriam here,

So, now lets see. Tried all the diets, lost 30 gained 40, lost 20 gained 40

get the picture.

One year ago I was 250 lbs. July 1st 2003 I had surgery and it went like

this.

JULY 2003 20 LBS.

AUGUST 14 LBS

SEPT, 9

OCT 6 OOPS NOV 2

DEC 4

JAN 9

FEB 4

MARCH 6

APRIL 4

MAY 6

JUNE 6

JULY 3

AUGUST 2

AS LONG AS THIS WEIGHT DOESN'T COME BACK I WILL BE HAPPY THE REST OF MY LIFE.

FOR THE OPPORTUNITY OF LEADING A BETTER LIFE.

[Guest guest]

Questions, are the revisions, expensive.????????? Just out of curiosity.

Miriam

7/1/03

250/155/150

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/13/2004 12:37:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

SCAFFOLD77@... writes:

>

> Questions, are the revisions, expensive.????????? Just out of curiosity.

>

> Miriam

> 7/1/03

> 250/155/150

Hi Miriam,

The revisions are the same exact price as the MGB.

Hoping I dont have to have one, but if I do I will in a heartbeat!

Take care,

ne

1/5/04

310/221

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to talk about

it.

Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are? Maybe it's

just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There seems to be more

and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then there are

people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost 3000 surgerys

there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you expect

results after all don't we do this because we have failed at other diets and

consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot that aren't

making it.

If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a month. At

the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If you could of

stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that for a whole

lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of needed this

surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this surgery is a

success?

Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just things that need

to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about it or they

wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of people with

weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with losing as

fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that everyone in that

area has a problem but a lot do.

We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs to be talked

about as well.

I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same sucess as others

do. I know they try just

as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

KJ

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[Guest guest]

Hi KJ,

As you know, and as we've all said before, we're all different. There is no

" magic " number of the amount of weight we will lose. Just because someone

looses 120 pounds in one year, and someone looses 95 pounds in 2 years

doesn't mean their surgery wasn't successful. When was the last time anyone

lost weight and kept it off? Never I would guess since we've all had the

surgery. I can only speak for myself, but in my lifetime of dieting, I have

never lost this much weight, let alone kept it off. The only thing this

surgery does it put us on equal footing with " normal " people, that is, those

that seem to be able to keep weight off and not gain. It is nothing but a

tool to help us in our weight loss and on to a healthy life.

As far as the success stories on the board and the picture people, there are

far more who don't post and don't have pics posted than there are that do.

Only a few of the thousands of patients take the time to post/help

pre-ops/post pics as inspiration to others. I know when I was first

researching this surgery, I saw posts from Margaret Bell all the time - now,

not so much. Does that mean she's given us up? Absolutely not!! In fact,

she's probably out enjoying her new life more and doesn't have quite the

same amount of time on her hands to post everyday.

Have you checked out the pics from past picnics? There are so many people

there enjoying each other - I have yet to see anyone looking dejected and

depressed because they feel like a failure or that their surgery didn't

work. We all lose at different rate. Dr. R. said (and says in the manual)

that the AVERAGE weight loss is about 100 pounds in one year. That doesn't

mean we will all lose 100 pounds in the first year. I'm not a math person

by any means, but if you took everyone's weight and divided it, you would

see that probably a lot of them do lose 100 in the first year, but there

will be many others that lose less, or some that lose more. You can't

determine this surgery by a set amount of pounds lost or you might as well

not have it. You'll always be disppointed.

I had this surgery to get healthy - losing weight is icing on the cake. My

cholesterol dropped 100 points the first month after surgery - that is a

success! My triglycerides dropped almost as much too - that is a success.

I don't have sleep apnea, high blood pressure, aching joints, don't get out

of breath when tying my shoes, can play with my dogs and actually play with

them and the list could go on and on - that is a success!!!!!

I hope you won't consider your surgery a failure just because you might not

be losing as fast as others that post. This surgery is nothing but an aid,

a tool for us. If we still eat doughnuts, greasy fried foods, and the

like......yeah, we'll probably gain weight. I know I do - I gained four

pounds this week because I went on a pizza/mexican food binge. Do I know I

did it to myself - you're darned tootin! Do I know I'll drop it when I go

back to sensible eating? You betcha! Am I frustrated at myself for doing

that - a big ol yes!! But I don't consider that because I gained weight,

that the surgery was a failure. I don't consider myself a failure either -

I just slipped off the good eating plan wagon and now I've hopped right back

up and am in the swing again.

Just my two cents! - No boxing gloves here - Love ya KJ!

Kellie in OKC

304/215/???

12-19-03 Dr. R.

Kellie in OKC

12-19-03

>From: " KJ _ " <kay_jays_here@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Queen of slow losers here.

>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:02:24 -0500

>

>Hello everyone,

>

>I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to talk about

>it.

>Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are? Maybe it's

>just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There seems to be

>more

>and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then there are

>people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost 3000 surgerys

>there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you expect

>results after all don't we do this because we have failed at other diets

>and

>consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot that aren't

>making it.

>

>If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a month. At

>the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If you could of

>stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that for a whole

>lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of needed this

>surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this surgery is a

>success?

>

>Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just things that need

>to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about it or they

>wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of people with

>weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with losing as

>fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that everyone in that

>area has a problem but a lot do.

>

>We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs to be talked

>about as well.

>I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same sucess as others

>do. I know they try just

>as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

>

>Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

>KJ

>

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>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi KJ,

Being a slow loser is very frustrating. I was a slow loser also, I

even had a revision....two in fact, just so I could reach my goal

weight of being at a healthy " normal " weight. If I could have taken

the weight off with Slim Fast and kept it off that would have been my

choice instead of surgery. But we all know that wasn't going to

happen....it never worked before and there was NOTHING to convince me

that it would EVER work.

So to reach my goal of permanent weight loss I opted to have gastric

bypass surgery. After CAREFUL RESEARCH and much consideration I knew

that I was undergoing a MAJOR surgery with possibilities of

complications and it came with a price tag of several thousand

dollars. I knew there were no guarantees.....I knew that as with ALL

weight loss surgeries there were FAST losers, SLOW losers, some that

reached goal and some that did NOT reach goal. I even knew that I had

the possibility of DYING but my health depended on losing the weight.

So as it turned out, in order to reach an acceptable weight I asked

Dr. R to operate on me THREE times. The first surgery was a relatively

moderate success but I was still 60 pounds from goal. The second

surgery came with a complication and required an extended operating

time and extended hospital stay. It wasn't sucessful because I

developed a FISTULA that allowed food to dump into my large stomach

therefore negating my bypass. This complication required a third

surgery that ultimately resulted in my additional weight loss. Was I

happy about having THREE surgeries???? NO......Am I happy about my

weight loss???? YES!!!!! .....Did I go into these surgeries with

REALISTIC expectations knowing all the risks and knowing that there

were no guarantees?????? YES!!!!! My set of circumstances is very

unique and thank God I had Dr.R in control of my surgeries with my

life in his hands.

We all have choices....I've made mine and they worked out for me even

with a few detours. Some people have an easier time losing their

weight than others either with or without surgery. That's what makes

us individuals. Doctors and scientists don't know why this happens,

that's why they do studies. I pray to God that they discover the CURE

for obesity so that my Grandchildren won't have to endure what their

Grandmother had to endure just because they inherited an obesity gene.

Life isn't always fair and it doesn't come with any guarantees so we

just have to play the cards life has dealt us.

I hope we all reach our goals and I pray for a successful journey for

us all.

Genz ( Genzel)

MGB 5-31-00

Revision 6-3-02

Revision 3-24-03

249/145

> Hello everyone,

>

> I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to talk

about

> it.

> Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are? Maybe

it's

> just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There seems to

be more

> and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then there

are

> people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost 3000

surgerys

> there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you expect

> results after all don't we do this because we have failed at other

diets and

> consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot that

aren't

> making it.

>

> If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a

month. At

> the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If you

could of

> stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that for a

whole

> lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of

needed this

> surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this surgery is a

> success?

>

> Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just things

that need

> to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about it

or they

> wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of people with

> weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with

losing as

> fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that everyone in

that

> area has a problem but a lot do.

>

> We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs to be

talked

> about as well.

> I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same sucess as

others

> do. I know they try just

> as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

>

> Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

> KJ

>

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[Guest guest]

I think that you have to look at who is posting- a lot of people who are

satisfied walk away and never look back- at least some of them- some are not

into posting-I know 5 people including myself who have had the surgery and I

am the only one who even reads the post op board. Out of the 5 of us- 2 have

actually lost too much and and least one could be looking at a revision-

that is my mother in law- she is about 67 had her surgery 7/10/03 Dr. R and

she has gone from approx 250 to 127 in less than 1 year her goal was 150. My

husband weighed approx 340 and is down to 166- 20 lbs less than his goal-

his surgery was 6/10/03- and he had lost over 150 lbs by the 1 year mark.

My brother in law and myself are probably poster children for this surgery-

I still need to lose about 10-15 more pounds-I went from 222-146 goal was

130- but I am wearing a 6-8 and I am 5'6 " . My brother in law- went from

approx 290-163- he is really below his goal weight- but be needs to reduce a

little around his stomach (according to him) he may need lipo or tummy tuck

for that

The 5th person- moved to a different job and I don't know how she is

doing-she did seem to slow down in her weight loss- but she also told me

that she was eating a pint of ice cream everynight-she had about 30-40

pounds left to lose when she hit the one year mark.

I think that most of the people that post are people with

questions/problems/concerns or encouragement I read this board because of my

mother in law- because she had so many concerns- first she was nauseous all

the time- and now she is worried she has lost too much weight- but she

doesn't know how to access and read the board even though I showed her.

Bottom line is - you are going to get more posts from people that have

problems - that is why it may appear that everyone is losing slowly- because

the ones that are losing at a normal rate are not posting-

Just my 2 cents

>From: " KJ _ " <kay_jays_here@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Queen of slow losers here.

>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:02:24 -0500

>

>Hello everyone,

>

>I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to talk about

>it.

>Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are? Maybe it's

>just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There seems to be

>more

>and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then there are

>people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost 3000 surgerys

>there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you expect

>results after all don't we do this because we have failed at other diets

>and

>consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot that aren't

>making it.

>

>If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a month. At

>the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If you could of

>stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that for a whole

>lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of needed this

>surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this surgery is a

>success?

>

>Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just things that need

>to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about it or they

>wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of people with

>weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with losing as

>fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that everyone in that

>area has a problem but a lot do.

>

>We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs to be talked

>about as well.

>I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same sucess as others

>do. I know they try just

>as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

>

>Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

>KJ

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Okay, I just had to get in on this. I'm only 2 months out of

surgery, and I think I'm probably going to be a " slow loser " . To

date, I've lost 32 pounds. The way I look at it, there's no other

way in the world I could have lost 32 pounds in 2 months and kept it

off. Also, I do want to lose, but I don't want to lose so rapidly

that it's unhealthy or that I start looking sick. If it's gradual,

I think my body will have time to adjust, and somehow, I don't think

there will be quite as many " sags and bags " , because I'll have time

to firm up as I go along.

Success? I think all of us here are here because nothing else

has worked. Is there any other diet you could go on that you could

lose even 1 or 2 pounds a month and keep it off??? For me there

wasn't. So losing anything and keeping it off is a success for me.

If you read your manual and the papers you signed, you know that

there are no guarantees about weight loss with the MGB. However,

I'm trying to stay positive with this. All my " littermates " have

lost faster than I'm losing, but---- I AM LOSING!!

Anne

Dr. Dasher 6/10/04

> Hello everyone,

>

> I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to

talk about

> it.

> Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are?

Maybe it's

> just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There seems

to be more

> and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then

there are

> people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost 3000

surgerys

> there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you

expect

> results after all don't we do this because we have failed at other

diets and

> consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot that

aren't

> making it.

>

> If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a

month. At

> the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If you

could of

> stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that for

a whole

> lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of

needed this

> surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this surgery

is a

> success?

>

> Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just things

that need

> to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about it

or they

> wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of people

with

> weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with

losing as

> fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that everyone

in that

> area has a problem but a lot do.

>

> We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs to

be talked

> about as well.

> I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same sucess

as others

> do. I know they try just

> as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

>

> Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

> KJ

>

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OK-...Guess its time to chime in and do my duty-and post!

I had my surgery with Dr Hargroder in December this year(December 16th) in

Joplin MO. and have gone from 275 to 165 in 7 months...look great-feel great!!!

I was a size 24/26 and I just slipped on my size 12 jeans this morning to come

in to work...I am eating most foods successfully and I would't change a thing

about my choice to have this surgery-and where to have it.

I have had a lift and tuck up top...that with this weight loss, has really made

me look better proportioned. I am contemplating a tummy tuck-but my husband says

no need-(You really cant tell anything is pooochy except when nude..)

If you have any question as to how successful this surgery is-please look at our

alternatives...If we could do it on slimfast ..WE WOULD...but some folks-most

folks this overweight ..cant. Thanks to Dr Hargroders office for giving me an

alternative..and a happier life. I'll look much better next month when I turn 40

then I have in a very long time!!

ahna

O'Neill <threedognitemare@...> wrote:

I think that you have to look at who is posting- a lot of people who are

satisfied walk away and never look back- at least some of them- some are not

into posting-I know 5 people including myself who have had the surgery and I

am the only one who even reads the post op board. Out of the 5 of us- 2 have

actually lost too much and and least one could be looking at a revision-

that is my mother in law- she is about 67 had her surgery 7/10/03 Dr. R and

she has gone from approx 250 to 127 in less than 1 year her goal was 150. My

husband weighed approx 340 and is down to 166- 20 lbs less than his goal-

his surgery was 6/10/03- and he had lost over 150 lbs by the 1 year mark.

My brother in law and myself are probably poster children for this surgery-

I still need to lose about 10-15 more pounds-I went from 222-146 goal was

130- but I am wearing a 6-8 and I am 5'6 " . My brother in law- went from

approx 290-163- he is really below his goal weight- but be needs to reduce a

little around his stomach (according to him) he may need lipo or tummy tuck

for that

The 5th person- moved to a different job and I don't know how she is

doing-she did seem to slow down in her weight loss- but she also told me

that she was eating a pint of ice cream everynight-she had about 30-40

pounds left to lose when she hit the one year mark.

I think that most of the people that post are people with

questions/problems/concerns or encouragement I read this board because of my

mother in law- because she had so many concerns- first she was nauseous all

the time- and now she is worried she has lost too much weight- but she

doesn't know how to access and read the board even though I showed her.

Bottom line is - you are going to get more posts from people that have

problems - that is why it may appear that everyone is losing slowly- because

the ones that are losing at a normal rate are not posting-

Just my 2 cents

>From: " KJ _ "

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Queen of slow losers here.

>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:02:24 -0500

>

>Hello everyone,

>

>I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to talk about

>it.

>Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are? Maybe it's

>just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There seems to be

>more

>and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then there are

>people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost 3000 surgerys

>there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you expect

>results after all don't we do this because we have failed at other diets

>and

>consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot that aren't

>making it.

>

>If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a month. At

>the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If you could of

>stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that for a whole

>lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of needed this

>surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this surgery is a

>success?

>

>Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just things that need

>to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about it or they

>wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of people with

>weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with losing as

>fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that everyone in that

>area has a problem but a lot do.

>

>We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs to be talked

>about as well.

>I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same sucess as others

>do. I know they try just

>as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

>

>Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

>KJ

>

>_________________________________________________________________

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>

>

>

>

>

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Kelli,

I appreciate your reply and all the other reply's I was sure I would get

from people that have done well but this has all been said before. The one

thing I did read that is most likely the case is we see more of the problems

here then we do the good results. I like everyone else am very happy with

the weight loss I have had and couldn't of done it without this surgery. We

need to talk more about why it does happen. There has to be help for the

ones losing so slowly....I am sure in time if anyone can come up with a

solution it will be Dr. R.

I don't now or will I ever consider my surgery a failure...I am sure I will

be at the 100 mark or over at one year and I couldn't ask for anything more.

I just feel for the ones that have spent so

much money and don't lose much. This is something that needs to be talked

about and just not put aside to be that person is a slow lose just hang in

there it will get better....there has to be a reason. Why does it take most

of us one year and some only six months?

That's what research is for...Love ya as well Kelli :-).

KJ

>From: " Kellie L " <smallby2004@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Queen of slow losers here.

>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:48:42 +0000

>

>Hi KJ,

>

>As you know, and as we've all said before, we're all different. There is

>no

> " magic " number of the amount of weight we will lose. Just because someone

>looses 120 pounds in one year, and someone looses 95 pounds in 2 years

>doesn't mean their surgery wasn't successful. When was the last time

>anyone

>lost weight and kept it off? Never I would guess since we've all had the

>surgery. I can only speak for myself, but in my lifetime of dieting, I

>have

>never lost this much weight, let alone kept it off. The only thing this

>surgery does it put us on equal footing with " normal " people, that is,

>those

>that seem to be able to keep weight off and not gain. It is nothing but a

>tool to help us in our weight loss and on to a healthy life.

>

>As far as the success stories on the board and the picture people, there

>are

>far more who don't post and don't have pics posted than there are that do.

>Only a few of the thousands of patients take the time to post/help

>pre-ops/post pics as inspiration to others. I know when I was first

>researching this surgery, I saw posts from Margaret Bell all the time -

>now,

>not so much. Does that mean she's given us up? Absolutely not!! In fact,

>she's probably out enjoying her new life more and doesn't have quite the

>same amount of time on her hands to post everyday.

>

>Have you checked out the pics from past picnics? There are so many people

>there enjoying each other - I have yet to see anyone looking dejected and

>depressed because they feel like a failure or that their surgery didn't

>work. We all lose at different rate. Dr. R. said (and says in the manual)

>that the AVERAGE weight loss is about 100 pounds in one year. That doesn't

>mean we will all lose 100 pounds in the first year. I'm not a math person

>by any means, but if you took everyone's weight and divided it, you would

>see that probably a lot of them do lose 100 in the first year, but there

>will be many others that lose less, or some that lose more. You can't

>determine this surgery by a set amount of pounds lost or you might as well

>not have it. You'll always be disppointed.

>

>I had this surgery to get healthy - losing weight is icing on the cake. My

>cholesterol dropped 100 points the first month after surgery - that is a

>success! My triglycerides dropped almost as much too - that is a success.

>I don't have sleep apnea, high blood pressure, aching joints, don't get out

>of breath when tying my shoes, can play with my dogs and actually play with

>them and the list could go on and on - that is a success!!!!!

>

>I hope you won't consider your surgery a failure just because you might not

>be losing as fast as others that post. This surgery is nothing but an aid,

>a tool for us. If we still eat doughnuts, greasy fried foods, and the

>like......yeah, we'll probably gain weight. I know I do - I gained four

>pounds this week because I went on a pizza/mexican food binge. Do I know I

>did it to myself - you're darned tootin! Do I know I'll drop it when I go

>back to sensible eating? You betcha! Am I frustrated at myself for doing

>that - a big ol yes!! But I don't consider that because I gained weight,

>that the surgery was a failure. I don't consider myself a failure either -

>I just slipped off the good eating plan wagon and now I've hopped right

>back

>up and am in the swing again.

>

>Just my two cents! - No boxing gloves here - Love ya KJ!

>

>Kellie in OKC

>304/215/???

>12-19-03 Dr. R.

>

>

>

>Kellie in OKC

>12-19-03

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They are the same price 17.000.00

>From: genie7368@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Queen of slow losers here.

>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:45:50 EDT

>

>In a message dated 8/13/2004 12:37:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>SCAFFOLD77@... writes:

>

> >

> > Questions, are the revisions, expensive.????????? Just out of curiosity.

> >

> > Miriam

> > 7/1/03

> > 250/155/150

>

>Hi Miriam,

>The revisions are the same exact price as the MGB.

>Hoping I dont have to have one, but if I do I will in a heartbeat!

>Take care,

>ne

>1/5/04

>310/221

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't know if this is the reason for all the slow losers, but I know some

haven't had as many feet bypassed - some only two feet, some four - I think

it depended on current health situations, etc.... One lady I heard they

found some liver damage and could only bypass two feet. I get where you're

coming from, and I think I remember reading a post from someone at CLOS that

said Dr. R. is beginning to research why some lose more/faster than others

with the same situations. I will be anxious to read his findings - he is a

very intelligent physician and researcher, I'm sure and if anyone can find

the reason, he can. Talk to you later ;-)

Kellie in OKC

12-19-03

>From: " KJ _ " <kay_jays_here@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Queen of slow losers here.

>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:58:08 -0500

>

>Kelli,

>

>I appreciate your reply and all the other reply's I was sure I would get

>from people that have done well but this has all been said before. The one

>thing I did read that is most likely the case is we see more of the

>problems

>here then we do the good results. I like everyone else am very happy with

>the weight loss I have had and couldn't of done it without this surgery. We

>need to talk more about why it does happen. There has to be help for the

>ones losing so slowly....I am sure in time if anyone can come up with a

>solution it will be Dr. R.

>

>I don't now or will I ever consider my surgery a failure...I am sure I will

>be at the 100 mark or over at one year and I couldn't ask for anything

>more.

> I just feel for the ones that have spent so

>much money and don't lose much. This is something that needs to be talked

>about and just not put aside to be that person is a slow lose just hang in

>there it will get better....there has to be a reason. Why does it take

>most

>of us one year and some only six months?

>

>That's what research is for...Love ya as well Kelli :-).

>KJ

>

>

>

>

>

> >From: " Kellie L " <smallby2004@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: Queen of slow losers here.

> >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:48:42 +0000

> >

> >Hi KJ,

> >

> >As you know, and as we've all said before, we're all different. There is

> >no

> > " magic " number of the amount of weight we will lose. Just because

>someone

> >looses 120 pounds in one year, and someone looses 95 pounds in 2 years

> >doesn't mean their surgery wasn't successful. When was the last time

> >anyone

> >lost weight and kept it off? Never I would guess since we've all had the

> >surgery. I can only speak for myself, but in my lifetime of dieting, I

> >have

> >never lost this much weight, let alone kept it off. The only thing this

> >surgery does it put us on equal footing with " normal " people, that is,

> >those

> >that seem to be able to keep weight off and not gain. It is nothing but

>a

> >tool to help us in our weight loss and on to a healthy life.

> >

> >As far as the success stories on the board and the picture people, there

> >are

> >far more who don't post and don't have pics posted than there are that

>do.

> >Only a few of the thousands of patients take the time to post/help

> >pre-ops/post pics as inspiration to others. I know when I was first

> >researching this surgery, I saw posts from Margaret Bell all the time -

> >now,

> >not so much. Does that mean she's given us up? Absolutely not!! In

>fact,

> >she's probably out enjoying her new life more and doesn't have quite the

> >same amount of time on her hands to post everyday.

> >

> >Have you checked out the pics from past picnics? There are so many

>people

> >there enjoying each other - I have yet to see anyone looking dejected and

> >depressed because they feel like a failure or that their surgery didn't

> >work. We all lose at different rate. Dr. R. said (and says in the

>manual)

> >that the AVERAGE weight loss is about 100 pounds in one year. That

>doesn't

> >mean we will all lose 100 pounds in the first year. I'm not a math

>person

> >by any means, but if you took everyone's weight and divided it, you would

> >see that probably a lot of them do lose 100 in the first year, but there

> >will be many others that lose less, or some that lose more. You can't

> >determine this surgery by a set amount of pounds lost or you might as

>well

> >not have it. You'll always be disppointed.

> >

> >I had this surgery to get healthy - losing weight is icing on the cake.

>My

> >cholesterol dropped 100 points the first month after surgery - that is a

> >success! My triglycerides dropped almost as much too - that is a

>success.

> >I don't have sleep apnea, high blood pressure, aching joints, don't get

>out

> >of breath when tying my shoes, can play with my dogs and actually play

>with

> >them and the list could go on and on - that is a success!!!!!

> >

> >I hope you won't consider your surgery a failure just because you might

>not

> >be losing as fast as others that post. This surgery is nothing but an

>aid,

> >a tool for us. If we still eat doughnuts, greasy fried foods, and the

> >like......yeah, we'll probably gain weight. I know I do - I gained four

> >pounds this week because I went on a pizza/mexican food binge. Do I know

>I

> >did it to myself - you're darned tootin! Do I know I'll drop it when I

>go

> >back to sensible eating? You betcha! Am I frustrated at myself for

>doing

> >that - a big ol yes!! But I don't consider that because I gained weight,

> >that the surgery was a failure. I don't consider myself a failure either

>-

> >I just slipped off the good eating plan wagon and now I've hopped right

> >back

> >up and am in the swing again.

> >

> >Just my two cents! - No boxing gloves here - Love ya KJ!

> >

> >Kellie in OKC

> >304/215/???

> >12-19-03 Dr. R.

> >

> >

> >

> >Kellie in OKC

> >12-19-03

>

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I DONT THINK MGB IS AS RELIABLE(WEIGHT LOSS-WISE) AS RNY..... BUT

THEN THE MORTALITY RATE IS LESS THAN 1 IN 1000 COMPARED TO 1 IN 200

(AT BEST)THAT IS WHY I CHOSE MGB. MGBERS KEEP IT OFF THOUGH AND RNY

FOLKS SEEM TO REGAIN A LOT.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO LOSE A POUND A WEEK ON SLIM FAST GO AHEAD..... I

TRIED IT AND COULD NOT.

I AM NOT SURE THAT PEOPLE FOLLOW THE " RULES " AS THEY SHOULD EITHER...

(MY GUARD UP NOW ! lol)

MGBERS USED TO BE SCREENED MUCH MORE STRINGENTLY

SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE SLOW LOSERS BECAUSE THEY " ONLY " LOST 60

POUNDS IN 6 MONTHS.... THAT'S NOT SLOW.... PEOPLE ARE CONVINCED THEY

SHOULD DROP WEIGHT LIKE A STONE UNTIL IT IS ALL GONE.... ONE GAL WAS

2 WEEKS OUT AND SAID SHE HAD NOT LOST EVEN 1 SIZE YET! SHE HAD LOST

ONLY 18 POUNDS AND HER PANTS WEREN'T EVEN LOOSE GEEEEZ

I SAW THE SUCCESS RATE GO DOWN WHEN THEY LET UP ON THE STRICTNESS OF

ACCEPTING PATIENTS.

WHEN I HAD MY SURGERY, IF I HAD SAID I COULDNT LIVE WITHOUT DIET COKE

OR COFFEE OR CIGARETTES AND THAT CITRUCEL MADE ME GAG, I THINK HE

WOULD HAVE TOLD ME TO GO HOME. I REALLY DO. SHOOT- I HAD TO SHOW

PROOF I HAD A GYM MEMBERSHIP!! DURING MY " CLINIC " A WOMAN COMPLAINED

SHE WOULD REALLY REALY REALLY MISS HER MORNING COFFEE - HE TOLD HER

SHE NEEDED TO THINK ABOUT HER DECISION MORE CLOSELY AND POSSIBLY

RECONSIDER BECAUSE COFFEE WAS NOT ALLOWED. I DIDNT GET A DATE UNTIL

HE HAD A CHANCE TO PERUSE MY APPLICATION IN DETAIL. EVERY COMPONENT

HAD TO BE COMPLETE. THEN IN A WEEK OR 2 I WAS CALLED AND A DATE WAS

ARRANGED. SOUNDS OBSESSIVE AND OVER THE TOP BUT I THINK THOSE PEOPLE

LOST BETTER THAN THE ONES WHO GET THEIR DATES SO EASILY.

MY OPINION. NOT WORTH A FIG FOR ANY REAL PURPOSE.....BUT THERE IT IS.

OK FOLKS WHO CAN'T STAND ME..... BRING IT!!

LOL

CATHY S IN VA

(SORRY FOR CAPS-- A COMPUTER PROBLEM HERE)

> Hello everyone,

>

> I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to talk

about

> it.

> Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are? Maybe

it's

> just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There seems

to be more

> and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then

there are

> people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost 3000

surgerys

> there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you

expect

> results after all don't we do this because we have failed at other

diets and

> consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot that

aren't

> making it.

>

> If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a

month. At

> the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If you

could of

> stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that for

a whole

> lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of

needed this

> surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this surgery is

a

> success?

>

> Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just things

that need

> to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about it

or they

> wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of people

with

> weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with

losing as

> fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that everyone

in that

> area has a problem but a lot do.

>

> We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs to be

talked

> about as well.

> I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same sucess

as others

> do. I know they try just

> as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

>

> Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

> KJ

>

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LET ME ADD THIS..... THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DID EVERYTHING

THEY COULD DO AND STILL LOST SLOWLY! IT IS LUCK OF THE DRAW

SOMETIMES, TOO!! GENZ IS A GOOD EXAMPLE! LOVE YOU GENZIE......

XOXOOX

CATHY S IN VA

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to

talk

> about

> > it.

> > Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are?

Maybe

> it's

> > just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There seems

to

> be more

> > and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then

there

> are

> > people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost 3000

> surgerys

> > there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you

expect

> > results after all don't we do this because we have failed at other

> diets and

> > consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot that

> aren't

> > making it.

> >

> > If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a

> month. At

> > the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If you

> could of

> > stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that

for a

> whole

> > lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of

> needed this

> > surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this surgery

is a

> > success?

> >

> > Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just things

> that need

> > to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about it

> or they

> > wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of

people with

> > weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with

> losing as

> > fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that everyone

in

> that

> > area has a problem but a lot do.

> >

> > We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs to

be

> talked

> > about as well.

> > I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same sucess

as

> others

> > do. I know they try just

> > as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

> >

> > Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

> > KJ

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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,

I am in strong agreement with you on this one and in fact have

relayed some similar concerns on my follow-up forms. About 6 years

ago I had the privilege of being involved with a new hospice

organization--starting from scratch. It was amazing the

individualized attention we could give each patient. I saw each

person 2-3x/week (the usual is 1-2x/mo). We knew intimate details

of every patient and their family. As the program grew, we

continued to offer better than average care, but visit frequencies

declined, and we knew less about our clients. I believe the same

thing has happened with this program. I have seen and or spoken

with Dr. H. maybe a total of 45mins-1hr including my clinic visit,

hospital DC and 1 month f/u. At my 1 month visit he asked me if I

was one year out at that visit. I felt he had no idea who I was.

I'm pretty sure thatwas not the experience you had. I am not trying

to be critical, but I do believe that many standards have been

dropped by the wayside as the " program " has grown. As a result

there will be increasing numbers of people who have negative results

or feel disappointed by their experience or outcomes. We all have

the same info, but the support is clearly not here as it was 4-5

years ago. I'm so happy that you had that wonderful support, that's

what I was hoping for as an extra boost, but I wasn't there.

Hopefully the pendulum will begin to swing back the other way.

Kelli in KC

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to

talk

> about

> > it.

> > Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are?

Maybe

> it's

> > just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There

seems

> to be more

> > and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then

> there are

> > people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost 3000

> surgerys

> > there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you

> expect

> > results after all don't we do this because we have failed at

other

> diets and

> > consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot

that

> aren't

> > making it.

> >

> > If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a

> month. At

> > the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If you

> could of

> > stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that

for

> a whole

> > lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of

> needed this

> > surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this surgery

is

> a

> > success?

> >

> > Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just

things

> that need

> > to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about

it

> or they

> > wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of

people

> with

> > weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with

> losing as

> > fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that

everyone

> in that

> > area has a problem but a lot do.

> >

> > We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs to

be

> talked

> > about as well.

> > I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same

sucess

> as others

> > do. I know they try just

> > as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

> >

> > Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

> > KJ

> >

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actually i have had little contact by choice/convenience with dr R

since MGB he is busy and so am i.... i live thousands of miles from

him... i just see my PCP and hug RR when i see him one or two times

a year at a social gathering. he is a nice guy i just have not

needed intense support since surgery i have been fine. i feel he

WOULD be there for me if i needed him.... i really do. my point is

that he had me so prepared BEFORE surgery that when i got to clinic i

only had one very minor question. i knew that procedure inside and

out! day of surgery i was as calm as i have ever been in my life...

i KNEW what i was facing.... i KNEW i would have to live on broth

and gatorade for a while.... i KNEW i could have complications.... i

KNEW i would have to do and eat unpleasant things. i had my eyes

wide open. i think that is where things are different. people are

let onto the pre op site whether they are serious or not.... informed

or not.... seen the website or not.... thus all the questions about

cost and that they are deciding whether to have MGB in Atlanta or

Knoxville.. they have no idea the surgery is not performed either

place they think we all had a lap RNY! those people would not have

been on the group at all. i dont mind the questions.... but i do

think there needs to be that screening again..... i know they are

expanding.... i just dont want the effectiveness to suffer.... i am

devoted to this surgery. it saved me.

xooxo

cathy

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > I know this is going to be a touchy subject but someone has to

> talk

> > about

> > > it.

> > > Is anybody concerned with the amount of slow loser there are?

> Maybe

> > it's

> > > just my thinking but there seems to be a lot of them. There

> seems

> > to be more

> > > and more slow losers and people that don't hit their goal then

> > there are

> > > people that do. Look at the mgb friends board out of almost

3000

> > surgerys

> > > there are not many sucess stories there. You pay 17.000.00 you

> > expect

> > > results after all don't we do this because we have failed at

> other

> > diets and

> > > consider this our last chance? There just seems to be a lot

> that

> > aren't

> > > making it.

> > >

> > > If it took two years to lose 95 pounds that's about 4 pounds a

> > month. At

> > > the cost of this surgery how can you say that is success? If

you

> > could of

> > > stuck with a slim fast diet you could of done better then that

> for

> > a whole

> > > lot less money. I know if we could of done that we wouldn't of

> > needed this

> > > surgery. Does that mean if you lost anything at all this

surgery

> is

> > a

> > > success?

> > >

> > > Come on jump on me I am ready for it :-)....these are just

> things

> > that need

> > > to be addressed. I mean after all clos must be concerned about

> it

> > or they

> > > wouldn't be doing a study on it. I have noticed a trend of

> people

> > with

> > > weight of 240-280 are the ones that have the most problems with

> > losing as

> > > fast. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm not saying that

> everyone

> > in that

> > > area has a problem but a lot do.

> > >

> > > We talk about the sucess I think this is something that needs

to

> be

> > talked

> > > about as well.

> > > I really feel for the slow losers they should get the same

> sucess

> > as others

> > > do. I know they try just

> > > as hard if not harder to loss their weight.

> > >

> > > Guard is up ready for the punches :-),

> > > KJ

> > >

> > >

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