Re: Kathie265@aol great comments!

[Guest guest]

wonderful way of thinking deb and you know now that my last child graduated

more time for me and my hubby and i just might have to find out when and

where they have belly dancing lessons hey its a great way if nothing else

to exercise right (lol and that could be both ways ) di

Re: Kathie265@aol great comments!

> Kathie265@..., I really like you input! Weight loss surgery is only a

> tool to lose weight, it is not the cure!

>

> On Discovery Health Channel, the program " Medical Diary, " it profiled a RN

> Manager of a Cardiac Cath Lab that weighed almost 600 lbs and had WLS. 90

> days after the surgery he had lost 90 lbs! He stated that the decision

for

> WLS was to have a " change in life style, " not a diet or the thought this

was

> a " cure. "

>

> He too has transferred his passion for food to other activities, mainly

> " appreciating life. " He is gardening, can take long walks with his wife,

and

> has gained a passion for exercise! His wife stated that he is not

hesitant

> to try new things anymore!

>

> Oh! I so understand! I see life as so precious and not to waste! I have

> made a list of things I want to do, see, experience before I die.

>

> When I think about eating something that is not healthy for my body, I

think,

> what will I miss out on if my body is not healthy enough to take me!

After

> all food will only turn to " poop! " Do not want a picture of that, but a

> picture of me skydiving!--Oh yeah!

>

> I decided to share the following because we can transfer our food passions

to

> our sexual lives. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs lists sex with air, food,

> water, shelter!

> Although my sex life was great before the MGB, it is even better now!

Let's

> face it, the fatter you are, the limitations of positions! My hubby,

Mike,

> have a greater level of intimacy which is deepening because I am more

> conformable to allow him to freely explore my body! We do this often to

just

> relax without even having intercourse. We love to " MOONBATH! " We do this

> fully clothed, but you do not have to stay this way! Mike and I take a

> blanket out on the lawn. We just sit under the moon and moonbath

or----just

> massage each other! I finally realized, duh!, that he married me fat

because

> he loved me, not because of my fat, because of me! Whether I am fat or

not,

> he loves me! Marriage vows say, For better or worse! " No one can be

perfect

> and should never strive for it. We all have good and bad things about us!

> For others to accept this----we must accept we are that way too!

>

> Mike and I were married 2 years on March 29, 2001. At 320 lbs. and with 7

> kids he loved me! I was single for a total of 11 years. I dated all the

> time even though I was a huge size of 320 lbs.! 95% of the men I dated

were

> not even overweight and their age range was 22-35 years old! I was 44

years

> old when Mike and I married, so I was not a young babe! Some of these men

> had not ever dated a fat woman before, but when I asked them why they took

me

> out, they stated to have fun and wanted to be with a woman that could

> converse about various subjects. I am not a super looker nor any thing

else

> special! Both men and women are wanting relationships with people that

are

> real!

>

> I constantly had Instant Messages from married men wanting to go out even

> though I was fat. I would and did not go out with a married man. I

conversed

> with these men over various periods of time with them by Instant Messages

> because I wanted to gleam an understanding of why these men would risk

> everything for sex! I did this because many of these men were

successfully

> financial and did not want to leave their wives! These were professional

men

> that could also suffer dire consequences professionally! As a RN, I was

> interested in " why they would chance sexual encounters that could destroy

> their marriage and finances. " I used therapeutic communication to gather

my

> data. Every man, in their own language without prompting from me, stated

they

> wanted their wives to quit being " hung up " on their bodies and just enjoy

> each other! Men and women need and want intimacy, but men and women view

> intimacy differently. One man stated to me, " I just want to have sex with

my

> wife on top of the covers, in the living room, the pool, etc. He and

others

> stated that their wives undresses in the bathroom, the lights must be out,

> she would get under the covers, very little to no foreplay, missionary

> position only, and tells them to hurry if they were not through within a

> couple of minutes! How sad! God made us sensual beings!

>

> I encourage all women to go to belly dancing classes or even strip dance,

lap

> dance classes for the sole reason to dance and undress for an audience of

1,

> your mate!

>

> If you go to a strip club in your town, you will see that the majority of

> these women do not have perfect bodies! As a nurse, I rarely see body

> beautiful! These women understand what men want! How many hubbies would

not

> stray to these clubs or have an affair if we as wives provided this

> entertainment at home! But the key is to enjoy enticing our hubbies!--by

not

> having too much expectations of body perfection and understanding and

> releasing our own God given sensuality towards our mates!

>

> Any comments?

>

>

> Debra in Tulsa

> MGB with Dr. R. 03/14/01

> 320/220

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathie265@..., I really like you input! Weight loss surgery is only a

tool to lose weight, it is not the cure!

On Discovery Health Channel, the program " Medical Diary, " it profiled a RN

Manager of a Cardiac Cath Lab that weighed almost 600 lbs and had WLS. 90

days after the surgery he had lost 90 lbs! He stated that the decision for

WLS was to have a " change in life style, " not a diet or the thought this was

a " cure. "

He too has transferred his passion for food to other activities, mainly

" appreciating life. " He is gardening, can take long walks with his wife, and

has gained a passion for exercise! His wife stated that he is not hesitant

to try new things anymore!

Oh! I so understand! I see life as so precious and not to waste! I have

made a list of things I want to do, see, experience before I die.

When I think about eating something that is not healthy for my body, I think,

what will I miss out on if my body is not healthy enough to take me! After

all food will only turn to " poop! " Do not want a picture of that, but a

picture of me skydiving!--Oh yeah!

I decided to share the following because we can transfer our food passions to

our sexual lives. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs lists sex with air, food,

water, shelter!

Although my sex life was great before the MGB, it is even better now! Let's

face it, the fatter you are, the limitations of positions! My hubby, Mike,

have a greater level of intimacy which is deepening because I am more

conformable to allow him to freely explore my body! We do this often to just

relax without even having intercourse. We love to " MOONBATH! " We do this

fully clothed, but you do not have to stay this way! Mike and I take a

blanket out on the lawn. We just sit under the moon and moonbath or----just

massage each other! I finally realized, duh!, that he married me fat because

he loved me, not because of my fat, because of me! Whether I am fat or not,

he loves me! Marriage vows say, For better or worse! " No one can be perfect

and should never strive for it. We all have good and bad things about us!

For others to accept this----we must accept we are that way too!

Mike and I were married 2 years on March 29, 2001. At 320 lbs. and with 7

kids he loved me! I was single for a total of 11 years. I dated all the

time even though I was a huge size of 320 lbs.! 95% of the men I dated were

not even overweight and their age range was 22-35 years old! I was 44 years

old when Mike and I married, so I was not a young babe! Some of these men

had not ever dated a fat woman before, but when I asked them why they took me

out, they stated to have fun and wanted to be with a woman that could

converse about various subjects. I am not a super looker nor any thing else

special! Both men and women are wanting relationships with people that are

real!

I constantly had Instant Messages from married men wanting to go out even

though I was fat. I would and did not go out with a married man. I conversed

with these men over various periods of time with them by Instant Messages

because I wanted to gleam an understanding of why these men would risk

everything for sex! I did this because many of these men were successfully

financial and did not want to leave their wives! These were professional men

that could also suffer dire consequences professionally! As a RN, I was

interested in " why they would chance sexual encounters that could destroy

their marriage and finances. " I used therapeutic communication to gather my

data. Every man, in their own language without prompting from me, stated they

wanted their wives to quit being " hung up " on their bodies and just enjoy

each other! Men and women need and want intimacy, but men and women view

intimacy differently. One man stated to me, " I just want to have sex with my

wife on top of the covers, in the living room, the pool, etc. He and others

stated that their wives undresses in the bathroom, the lights must be out,

she would get under the covers, very little to no foreplay, missionary

position only, and tells them to hurry if they were not through within a

couple of minutes! How sad! God made us sensual beings!

I encourage all women to go to belly dancing classes or even strip dance, lap

dance classes for the sole reason to dance and undress for an audience of 1,

your mate!

If you go to a strip club in your town, you will see that the majority of

these women do not have perfect bodies! As a nurse, I rarely see body

beautiful! These women understand what men want! How many hubbies would not

stray to these clubs or have an affair if we as wives provided this

entertainment at home! But the key is to enjoy enticing our hubbies!--by not

having too much expectations of body perfection and understanding and

releasing our own God given sensuality towards our mates!

Any comments?

Debra in Tulsa

MGB with Dr. R. 03/14/01

320/220

[Guest guest]

You said it! Life is too short! Thanks for sharing you wonderful and

delightful message.......we all need to know that others are experiencing

this wonderful thing called life!

Deb

[Guest guest]

Debra,

It sounds like you have a great sex life..more power to you and your hubby!

I will say I do not believe a word any married man on the prowl says about

his wife, however. A friend of mine, who is very sensual and lovely, has a

husband who cheated on her. She has shared with me that HE is the one with

sexual problems. Unless it's " on the sly " he isn't interested.

Any man on the internet looking for " love " isn't giving the TRUE intimacy of

communication to his wife. Maybe if he " unplugged " and shared his feelings

with his wife, maybe even by encouraging her about her body, she would open

up to him. Just a thought....nothing makes a woman frigid quicker than a

spouse who doesn't appreciate her. I can't imagine any married man prowling

and saying, " Yes, I have a great wife who would love to have intimacy with me

in and out of bed, but I work long hours and when I'm off, I find it more

thrilling to have fresh flesh then a willing wife. Fantasy is better than

reality because reality insists that, I, too, am open and honest " .

Hugs,

in ARk

[Guest guest]

You got it........All of these classes are great exercises!

Deb

[Guest guest]

Comments - Debra you are truly an inspiration! I too married my husband

large - in a size 24W wedding dress. He loves me fat, he loves me know not

so fat! We have a great sex life too however I can already of course tell

the differences. I am feeling much better about myself and that reflects on

ALL aspects of my life. For Valentine's day my husband gave me a massage

table (he is my masseuse of course!) The other night when the weather was

absolutely perfect he set up the table on our deck and I received a

wonderful massage under the star-lit sky! It was heaven! Life is much too

good to waste!

on

MGB 10/04/00

280/196

Re: Kathie265@aol great comments!

> Kathie265@..., I really like you input! Weight loss surgery is only a

> tool to lose weight, it is not the cure!

>

> On Discovery Health Channel, the program " Medical Diary, " it profiled a RN

> Manager of a Cardiac Cath Lab that weighed almost 600 lbs and had WLS. 90

> days after the surgery he had lost 90 lbs! He stated that the decision

for

> WLS was to have a " change in life style, " not a diet or the thought this

was

> a " cure. "

>

> He too has transferred his passion for food to other activities, mainly

> " appreciating life. " He is gardening, can take long walks with his wife,

and

> has gained a passion for exercise! His wife stated that he is not

hesitant

> to try new things anymore!

>

> Oh! I so understand! I see life as so precious and not to waste! I have

> made a list of things I want to do, see, experience before I die.

>

> When I think about eating something that is not healthy for my body, I

think,

> what will I miss out on if my body is not healthy enough to take me!

After

> all food will only turn to " poop! " Do not want a picture of that, but a

> picture of me skydiving!--Oh yeah!

>

> I decided to share the following because we can transfer our food passions

to

> our sexual lives. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs lists sex with air, food,

> water, shelter!

> Although my sex life was great before the MGB, it is even better now!

Let's

> face it, the fatter you are, the limitations of positions! My hubby,

Mike,

> have a greater level of intimacy which is deepening because I am more

> conformable to allow him to freely explore my body! We do this often to

just

> relax without even having intercourse. We love to " MOONBATH! " We do this

> fully clothed, but you do not have to stay this way! Mike and I take a

> blanket out on the lawn. We just sit under the moon and moonbath

or----just

> massage each other! I finally realized, duh!, that he married me fat

because

> he loved me, not because of my fat, because of me! Whether I am fat or

not,

> he loves me! Marriage vows say, For better or worse! " No one can be

perfect

> and should never strive for it. We all have good and bad things about us!

> For others to accept this----we must accept we are that way too!

>

> Mike and I were married 2 years on March 29, 2001. At 320 lbs. and with 7

> kids he loved me! I was single for a total of 11 years. I dated all the

> time even though I was a huge size of 320 lbs.! 95% of the men I dated

were

> not even overweight and their age range was 22-35 years old! I was 44

years

> old when Mike and I married, so I was not a young babe! Some of these men

> had not ever dated a fat woman before, but when I asked them why they took

me

> out, they stated to have fun and wanted to be with a woman that could

> converse about various subjects. I am not a super looker nor any thing

else

> special! Both men and women are wanting relationships with people that

are

> real!

>

> I constantly had Instant Messages from married men wanting to go out even

> though I was fat. I would and did not go out with a married man. I

conversed

> with these men over various periods of time with them by Instant Messages

> because I wanted to gleam an understanding of why these men would risk

> everything for sex! I did this because many of these men were

successfully

> financial and did not want to leave their wives! These were professional

men

> that could also suffer dire consequences professionally! As a RN, I was

> interested in " why they would chance sexual encounters that could destroy

> their marriage and finances. " I used therapeutic communication to gather

my

> data. Every man, in their own language without prompting from me, stated

they

> wanted their wives to quit being " hung up " on their bodies and just enjoy

> each other! Men and women need and want intimacy, but men and women view

> intimacy differently. One man stated to me, " I just want to have sex with

my

> wife on top of the covers, in the living room, the pool, etc. He and

others

> stated that their wives undresses in the bathroom, the lights must be out,

> she would get under the covers, very little to no foreplay, missionary

> position only, and tells them to hurry if they were not through within a

> couple of minutes! How sad! God made us sensual beings!

>

> I encourage all women to go to belly dancing classes or even strip dance,

lap

> dance classes for the sole reason to dance and undress for an audience of

1,

> your mate!

>

> If you go to a strip club in your town, you will see that the majority of

> these women do not have perfect bodies! As a nurse, I rarely see body

> beautiful! These women understand what men want! How many hubbies would

not

> stray to these clubs or have an affair if we as wives provided this

> entertainment at home! But the key is to enjoy enticing our hubbies!--by

not

> having too much expectations of body perfection and understanding and

> releasing our own God given sensuality towards our mates!

>

> Any comments?

>

>

> Debra in Tulsa

> MGB with Dr. R. 03/14/01

> 320/220

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debra.

It sounds like you found yourself a great man! Enjoy!

MGB 12/20/00

-75 pounds

[Guest guest]

The best......

Deb