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I've read about all sorts of nerve pain from CMT and other peripheral

neuropathies, and I experience many of them every day.

Some descriptive phrases of how the nerve pain may feel:

burning

freezing

wrenching spasms

cramping muscles

zapping electric jolts

firecrackers under the skin

bee stings

shooting, stabbing pains

being electrocuted from inside

hot electric wires stinging

Neurontin or other meds may reduce the various pains (or not), but most

CMTers who have pain learn they must live with it at some level. It won't

normally be eliminated, but may become tolerable. We are all different in how

much we may be helped as well as by how much we can or will tolerate. The

scale doctors use for evaluating pain is helpful for an individual, but it's

still subjective. My 10 (worst pain) will probably not be the same as your

10.

Pain is very subjective. What doesn't seem too bad to me may seem to be

almost impossible to bear for someone else. Or vice versa.

Speaking subjectively, women who have given birth are more pain tolerant than

people who haven't. The pain may be comparable, but moms are more apt to know

that they can tolerate more (usually! - in life I have learned absolutes are

rare).

Some CMTers have no significant pain, or only have it occasionally. Even that

is quite different from the CMTers who have it 24 hours a day, every day.

We are all so different.

Those are my thoughts on the matter (subjective, I know)

Kat

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Gretchen -- FYI -- I did some reading on CMT and blood sugar levels.

Diabetics deal with peripheral neuropathy, but the cause is different from

CMT. However, some research has been done that indicates people with CMT

may also be intolerant to high sugar intake. I don't have diabetes, but

when I've been over-indulging (the holidays!!) it seems that the burning

pain in my feet increases. While my experience isn't as a result of

" scientific study " , I know that my foot pain is less when I eat a

well-balanced diet with minimal refined sugar. nne

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From: Gretchen Glick <liliwigg@...>

<onelist>

Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 10:54 AM

Subject: [] pain

>From: Gretchen Glick <liliwigg@...>

>

>Hi Becky and Dimitrios, I also wonder about pain. Anyone who doesn't

>have CMT can't possibly know it DOES mean pain! (probably most of the

>researchers/doctors) etc. My pain has gotten better, tho, but standing

>on my feet (in one place) for any length of time will bring it back

>quickly, and then the pain is in my feet and back. If I keep moving, I

>mean, moving my feet, the pain doesn't come back. The Neurontin works

>well for me, also helps with sleep. I used to take Elavil (also known as

>amitriptyline) which helped also. My feet still can do that " burn " at

>night, for no reason, but if I lie on the floor, with knees bent on the

>couch, then cross my feet, so feet are higher that knees and hips, this

>burning goes away. In the summer I ice my feet.

>Gretchen

>

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Hi all, Ruth warren here,

I am fascinated hearing about the hot, burning pain that some of you

experience. My 9-yr-old Katey complains constantly of being hot or

" burning. " This is not a kind of pain that I experience with my CMT so I am

not always very sympathetic. Now I have a better reference to understand

what she may be trying to tell me. Thank you!

Ruth

>From: Gretchen Glick <liliwigg@...>

>Reply-onelist

> <onelist>

>Subject: [] pain

>Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:49:18 -0800

>

>From: Gretchen Glick <liliwigg@...>

>

>Hi Becky and Dimitrios, I also wonder about pain. Anyone who doesn't

>have CMT can't possibly know it DOES mean pain! (probably most of the

>researchers/doctors) etc. My pain has gotten better, tho, but standing

>on my feet (in one place) for any length of time will bring it back

>quickly, and then the pain is in my feet and back. If I keep moving, I

>mean, moving my feet, the pain doesn't come back. The Neurontin works

>well for me, also helps with sleep. I used to take Elavil (also known as

>amitriptyline) which helped also. My feet still can do that " burn " at

>night, for no reason, but if I lie on the floor, with knees bent on the

>couch, then cross my feet, so feet are higher that knees and hips, this

>burning goes away. In the summer I ice my feet.

>Gretchen

>

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Hello,

I find that when I eat something extra salty like pretzels or popcorn I have

more pain in my hands and feet than usual. Also, if I walk a few minutes on

my treadmill before I go to sleep my feet and legs feel better at night.

My neighbor told me to put a drawer handle, the c-shaped kind, on the wood

around my front door, in a vertical position. It makes an excellent handle

to hold on to when I go up the entry step to my house. My husband also put

one on piano bench type hinges so it can swing out of the way and not get in

the way of closing the door.

Hope this is helpful.

Joan

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Hi Alisha,

I also think that the pain is not in your head it is real. Since 1997 I also

have pain. It started with a lumbago and became fibromyalgia. The problem with

pain is that the body is able not to notice the pain anymore after a time, it

hurts but on a lower level. In 1997 I was at home for three months, in 1998 I

couldn' t go to work for 4 months (and therefor I lost my job).

In my case I also had " big " depressions and my neurologist tried to lower the

pain by giving me fluctin (prozac). It helped for the depression but not for the

pain, but I found out that the pain is a sign of too much stress for my body.

Reducing the stress meant reducing the pain.

At the moment I am lucky: After the surgery my nerves have to work so much in

coping with my operated feet (the surgery-pain, the missing balance), I don't

feel pain in the rest of my body (not true: sometimes I notice pain in my back

but it is not so strong). But this will change as soon as my feet belong to my

body again.

What the doctor told you is probably not true. Always remember: He is a doctor

but does not have to live with cmt and it is possible that his knowledge of cmt

is " old-fashioned " . Perhaps, as Gretchen said, you should look for a new doctor.

Bye,

Alisha Peckham schrieb:

> From: " Alisha Peckham " <fivertherabbit@...>

>

> alisha here,

> i am able to talk to my friends and psychologist. my GP thinks that it is in

> my head. i just have been about to get on the computer today b/c the pain is

> less in my hands. i haven't been at school in about 10 days and i am being

> asked to go back but i don't want to. i have been using via voice and its

> hard to use it since i haven't used it in a while.

>

> " I am not crazy, I am just a teenager! "

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HI SANDRA

I AM DIMITRIOS FROM GREECE( WITH CMT 2).

MY GREAT PROBLEM IS THE PAIN THAT IS SO AWFUL THAT I COULD WORK.

WHAT IS THIS << SURGERY>>? IS IT A THERAPY ABOUT THE PAIN?

HAVE A GOOD TIME

REGARDS

DIMITRIOS

Theyskens wrote:

> From: Theyskens <st@...>

>

> Hi Alisha,

>

> I also think that the pain is not in your head it is real. Since 1997 I also

> have pain. It started with a lumbago and became fibromyalgia. The problem with

> pain is that the body is able not to notice the pain anymore after a time, it

> hurts but on a lower level. In 1997 I was at home for three months, in 1998 I

> couldn' t go to work for 4 months (and therefor I lost my job).

> In my case I also had " big " depressions and my neurologist tried to lower the

> pain by giving me fluctin (prozac). It helped for the depression but not for

the

> pain, but I found out that the pain is a sign of too much stress for my body.

> Reducing the stress meant reducing the pain.

> At the moment I am lucky: After the surgery my nerves have to work so much in

> coping with my operated feet (the surgery-pain, the missing balance), I don't

> feel pain in the rest of my body (not true: sometimes I notice pain in my back

> but it is not so strong). But this will change as soon as my feet belong to my

> body again.

>

> What the doctor told you is probably not true. Always remember: He is a doctor

> but does not have to live with cmt and it is possible that his knowledge of

cmt

> is " old-fashioned " . Perhaps, as Gretchen said, you should look for a new

doctor.

>

> Bye,

>

>

> Alisha Peckham schrieb:

>

> > From: " Alisha Peckham " <fivertherabbit@...>

> >

> > alisha here,

> > i am able to talk to my friends and psychologist. my GP thinks that it is in

> > my head. i just have been about to get on the computer today b/c the pain is

> > less in my hands. i haven't been at school in about 10 days and i am being

> > asked to go back but i don't want to. i have been using via voice and its

> > hard to use it since i haven't used it in a while.

> >

> > " I am not crazy, I am just a teenager! "

> > http://home.talkcity.com/OceanBlvd/cmtx/index.html

> > ICQ # 47695812

> > for information on CMT go here

> > www.cmtint.org/

> > are u a kid or teenager with CMT???

> > wanna talk to others with CMT????

> > join here if u want to

> > CMTchildren-subscribeonelist

> >

> > ______________________________________________________

> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

> >

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Hi Dimitrios,

welcome to the list.

The surgery that I had made in january was a achilles-tendon-lenghtening and a

transfer of the tibialis-posterior tendon. It

was done because of my pes cavus and it should make me walk better. It is not a

pain therapy but it could help to lower the

pain thar exists because of wrong walking. I have a lot of problems with my

spine, my hips and my knees (it is often very

painful) and my doctors believe that I have this pain because of wrong walking

(I walked on my toes). After the surgery I

should be able to walk in a " normal " way (on my whole foot) and this

could/should lower the pain.

But I have to say that I am very desperate at the moment. Through the surgery I

lost my balance and it didn' t come back yet.

So walking is very hard for me and I still use crutches to walk outside. Because

of all that I am very depressed at the

moment. I hope this soon will change.

Best wishes,

ÐáðáäïêùóôÜêçò Ðïëýâéïò schrieb:

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F=F2?= <polyvios@...>

>

> HI SANDRA

>

> I AM DIMITRIOS FROM GREECE( WITH CMT 2).

> MY GREAT PROBLEM IS THE PAIN THAT IS SO AWFUL THAT I COULD WORK.

> WHAT IS THIS << SURGERY>>? IS IT A THERAPY ABOUT THE PAIN?

>

> HAVE A GOOD TIME

> REGARDS

> DIMITRIOS

>

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I had surgery about four months ago and experienced a real problem with

balance. It is getting better though and I think the problems came as a

result of reorienting my foot to walk on the whole foot in a fairly normal

configuration. My body was so trained to compensate for the bad walking

that it was taken by surprise and needed time to adjust.

Keep up your courage. It sounds like you got a good result from the surgery

as to your foot position and the balance should get better over time.

nne

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From: Theyskens <st@...>

onelist <onelist>

Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 3:51 AM

Subject: Re: [] pain

>From: Theyskens <st@...>

>

>Hi Dimitrios,

>

>welcome to the list.

>The surgery that I had made in january was a achilles-tendon-lenghtening

and a transfer of the tibialis-posterior tendon. It

>was done because of my pes cavus and it should make me walk better. It is

not a pain therapy but it could help to lower the

>pain thar exists because of wrong walking. I have a lot of problems with my

spine, my hips and my knees (it is often very

>painful) and my doctors believe that I have this pain because of wrong

walking (I walked on my toes). After the surgery I

>should be able to walk in a " normal " way (on my whole foot) and this

could/should lower the pain.

>

>But I have to say that I am very desperate at the moment. Through the

surgery I lost my balance and it didn' t come back yet.

>So walking is very hard for me and I still use crutches to walk outside.

Because of all that I am very depressed at the

>moment. I hope this soon will change.

>

>Best wishes,

>

>

>ÐáðáäïêùóôÜêçò Ðïëýâéïò schrieb:

>

>> From:

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E9=EF=F2?= <polyvios@...>

>>

>> HI SANDRA

>>

>> I AM DIMITRIOS FROM GREECE( WITH CMT 2).

>> MY GREAT PROBLEM IS THE PAIN THAT IS SO AWFUL THAT I COULD WORK.

>> WHAT IS THIS << SURGERY>>? IS IT A THERAPY ABOUT THE PAIN?

>>

>> HAVE A GOOD TIME

>> REGARDS

>> DIMITRIOS

>>

>

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HI SANDRA

ABOUT THE <<Through the surgery I lost my balance and it didn' t come back

yet.>>. I HANE A FRIEND WHO IS GYMNAST. SOME OF HIS

CLIENTS ARE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.SO HE MENTIONED A WOMAN WITH BALANCE

PROBLEM AND HE TOLD ME THAT SHE WALK MUCH BETTER AFTER

A SPECIAL TRAINNING. CAN YOU ASK SOMEONE ABOUT THAT?

I BELIEVE THAT I CAN SEND YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.

(I DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH VERY WELL, SO I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ME)

DIMITRIOS

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> From: Theyskens <st@...>

>

> Hi Dimitrios,

>

> welcome to the list.

> The surgery that I had made in january was a achilles-tendon-lenghtening and a

transfer of the tibialis-posterior tendon. It

> was done because of my pes cavus and it should make me walk better. It is not

a pain therapy but it could help to lower the

> pain thar exists because of wrong walking. I have a lot of problems with my

spine, my hips and my knees (it is often very

> painful) and my doctors believe that I have this pain because of wrong walking

(I walked on my toes). After the surgery I

> should be able to walk in a " normal " way (on my whole foot) and this

could/should lower the pain.

>

> But I have to say that I am very desperate at the moment. Through the surgery

I lost my balance and it didn' t come back yet.

> So walking is very hard for me and I still use crutches to walk outside.

Because of all that I am very depressed at the

> moment. I hope this soon will change.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

> ÐáðáäïêùóôÜêçò Ðïëýâéïò schrieb:

>

> > From:

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F=F2?= <polyvios@...>

> >

> > HI SANDRA

> >

> > I AM DIMITRIOS FROM GREECE( WITH CMT 2).

> > MY GREAT PROBLEM IS THE PAIN THAT IS SO AWFUL THAT I COULD WORK.

> > WHAT IS THIS << SURGERY>>? IS IT A THERAPY ABOUT THE PAIN?

> >

> > HAVE A GOOD TIME

> > REGARDS

> > DIMITRIOS

> >

>

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A few days ago I discussed only nerve pain because that is what I have, but

I'm well aware of the terrible structural pain many CMTers have from the

stress on their joints and muscles. Some CMTers are tormented by severe

cramps, too.

Every few years my spine gets cranky and I'm reminded of how difficult it is

to have acute pain caused by simply moving.

CMT clearly causes many types of pain.

About 50% of CMTers don't have CMT pain. I guess those are the only ones

some doctors talk to.

Kat

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In a message dated 5/17/00 1:28:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

KathleenLS@... writes:

<< About 50% of CMTers don't have CMT pain. I guess those are the only ones

some doctors talk to.

Kat

>^,^< >>

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either that or those are the only ones the doctors listen to... LOL Jeanie

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Hello Dreamer.. i wish i could help you on this but i don't have much information on theEmbril. i have found for me, that Naproxin which is a prescription brand for Aleve (my Naproxin comes in 500mg or 550mg or more where the over the counter Aleve is i think about 200 mg) seems to pretty well do the job with less side effects than many others that i have taken. It doesn't give total relief but i can live with what's left <G>! I am trying to find more information on Humiran other than what the manufacturer has to say <G>, like how it is effecting the end user!

any way, there are not too many folks on this list so i am replying to you in order to welcome you until someone else can give you better information.love.. granny lee

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It took almost a year for the doctors to diagnois my RA. I think I am still in a bit of denial. Methotrexate helped and I thought Oh Boy, no pain, now the pain is back, my hair is falling out quickly and he wants me to start on Embril. How difficult are the injections to give and will there be relief in How long? I have much difficulty picking up my new grandchildren and am frustrated. It is mostly in my wrists but is spreading.

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Hi, All,

I did Enbrel for a while and it did seem to help a lot. Like someone said, the needles are small and it is done twice a week and not bad at all. I recall having good relief after a couple of weeks but they said it would take longer. My problem with Enbrel was I would keep getting a sinus infection and have to stop shots and take antibiotics to clear up sinus infection. It ended up a vicious cycle - infection - antibiotics - shots - over and over. So I quit Enbrel. Good luck to you...

Kay

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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:30 PM

Subject: pain

It took almost a year for the doctors to diagnois my RA. I think I am still in a bit of denial. Methotrexate helped and I thought Oh Boy, no pain, now the pain is back, my hair is falling out quickly and he wants me to start on Embril. How difficult are the injections to give and will there be relief in How long? I have much difficulty picking up my new grandchildren and am frustrated. It is mostly in my wrists but is spreading.

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KLSIRDDOGS@... wrote:

> *It has been told to me that people with FMS (etc..) tend to take

> longer to heal. My rib(s) still hurt just about as bad as it/they did

> when I hurt it/they. It has been a week and a half. Do these things

> tend to just all of a sudden heal and be gone with the pain? or do

> they heal slowly so they get a little better each day? I have been

> icing and heating it/they. Thanks, D*

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Hi Deborah,

Ribs take a long time to heal when they are injured. Usually a painfully

long time (pun intended). Just keep up with the icing and heating and do

your best not to aggravate them. In time the pain will eventually

disappear. But ever so slowly.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

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