Melatonin

June 29, 1999

Josiane,

Melatonin is available OTC in the US, as it is classified as a " dietary

supplement " and not as a drug. My personal experience of taking it every night

for a couple of years is that it is both safe and very effective; I sleep deeply

and wake feeling refreshed in a way I have not since adolescence. Before I

started taking it I researched it and found that the US military tested it

extensively in the 1950s and found that it caused no permanent ill effects even

in extremely high doses.

There are a number of Internet pharmacies based in the US. Here is one that

says it ships internationally (many do not):

http://www.prices-power.com/fax.htm

Good luck.

Mark Lumsden

mailto:marklumsden@...

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/7253/

josianeherben/43:56 AM

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Subject: melatonin

From: josiane herben <josianeherben@...>

The nights with our little girl are becoming terrible. I understand that

melatonin is being used by some of you to help these problems. However,

melatonin is not available here in Belgium. So could someone please answer

these questions :

a/ is melatonin available " over the counter " in the U.S. ?

b/ could it be post ordered ? Where ?

c/ is it effective ?

d/ is it save ? are there any side effects ?

Thank you.

Josiane, Marjolein's mother.

---------------------------

June 30, 1999

Mark,

Thank you for replying. Josiane.

>From: mlumsden@...

>Reply-onelist

>onelist

>CC: josianeherben@...

>Subject: Re: melatonin

>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:56:04 -0400

>

>From: mlumsden@...

>

>Josiane,

>

>Melatonin is available OTC in the US, as it is classified as a " dietary

>supplement " and not as a drug. My personal experience of taking it every

>night

>for a couple of years is that it is both safe and very effective; I sleep

>deeply

>and wake feeling refreshed in a way I have not since adolescence. Before I

>started taking it I researched it and found that the US military tested it

>extensively in the 1950s and found that it caused no permanent ill effects

>even

>in extremely high doses.

>

>There are a number of Internet pharmacies based in the US. Here is one

>that

>says it ships internationally (many do not):

>http://www.prices-power.com/fax.htm

>

>Good luck.

>Mark Lumsden

>mailto:marklumsden@...

>http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/7253/

>

>josianeherben/43:56 AM

>

>Please respond to onelist

>

> onelist

>cc: (bcc: Mark Lumsden/Raleigh/IBM)

>Subject: melatonin

>

>From: josiane herben <josianeherben@...>

>

>The nights with our little girl are becoming terrible. I understand that

>melatonin is being used by some of you to help these problems. However,

>melatonin is not available here in Belgium. So could someone please answer

>these questions :

>a/ is melatonin available " over the counter " in the U.S. ?

>b/ could it be post ordered ? Where ?

>c/ is it effective ?

>d/ is it save ? are there any side effects ?

>Thank you.

>Josiane, Marjolein's mother.

>

>---------------------------

August 11, 2000

<< Both have asthma and

allergies. At 41/2 I stopped milk with improvement in asthma. >>

Asthma can be due to elevated sulfur (thiol) levels, and milk is a major

dietary source of sulfur - this isn't necessarily due to casein exclusion.

Andy

August 11, 2000

Thanks, I needed to talk to my neuro about that becuse I have seen

many medlines on mercury and melatonin. Have you ever read any

work by ANDREA AXT? She has a fascinating web site on that

where she states kids with autism have pineal gland malfunction, this

would explain the shunted seratonin problems they have (too much

or too little). And also the sleep problems. This is all interconnected

I feel with the heavy metal toxicity as well as endocrine disruptors

which controls hormonal loops.

Kathy

[ ] melatonin

>Jim I checked with the harvard neurology web site and the doctor

>there didn't feel it would be a problem and thought it was a really

>safe supplement for sleep at 1 to 1 1/2mg at bed time.

>

August 11, 2000

I give my daughter without seizures this and have seen a difference, now it

is my sons turn. I give them Mannatonin which also has a bit a valarian

root

too. How about valerian?

Kathy

[ ] melatonin

>Jim I checked with the harvard neurology web site and the doctor

>there didn't feel it would be a problem and thought it was a really

>safe supplement for sleep at 1 to 1 1/2mg at bed time.

>

August 11, 2000

NO but I will read her research too. Our kids problems are complex

and are likely due to multiple toxic effects of meavy metals and

other toxins, so the more you can cleanse them and normalize the

disrupted functions the better our kids should get. I am still

looking for the end point when I can stop the interventions. I will

withdraw the seemingly least helpful and largely resolved first and

so on and see what happens. I will reintroduce if they regress of

stall out and so on. Beverly

> Thanks, I needed to talk to my neuro about that becuse I have seen

> many medlines on mercury and melatonin. Have you ever read any

> work by ANDREA AXT? She has a fascinating web site on that

> where she states kids with autism have pineal gland malfunction,

this

> would explain the shunted seratonin problems they have (too much

> or too little). And also the sleep problems. This is all

interconnected

> I feel with the heavy metal toxicity as well as endocrine disruptors

> which controls hormonal loops.

> Kathy

> [ ] melatonin

>

> >Jim I checked with the harvard neurology web site and the doctor

> >there didn't feel it would be a problem and thought it was a

really

> >safe supplement for sleep at 1 to 1 1/2mg at bed time.

> >

August 12, 2000

Beverly,

It is so wonderful to hear about the success you have had with your

children!!!

Would you please tell me how your children reacted while they were taking

DMSA? Tired? Short Tempered? We are going to start detox soon and I want

to be prepared. Thank you for sharing with us!

Trudy

At 06:36 PM 08/11/2000 -0000, you wrote:

>when my kids were 3 1/2 they were 1st dx. I started speech.By 4

>my daughter got tubes for chronic otitis media. By 4y 3m both had

>AIT with minimal but noticeable improv. Both have asthma and

>allergies. At 41/2 I stopped milk with improvement in asthma. Hair

>analysis showed lead and mercury and copper and stool alot of yeast.

>Started anti yeast diet and 6 mo of 2million units nystatin powder

>mixed with food twice daily. My daughters disruptive behavior

>improved somewhat but both kids still had gross and fine motor

>problems as well as a severe auditory processing problem. My

>daughter learned to lip read with some relief from her tremendous

>frustrations and my son remained withdrawn, quiet and angry. Started

>sensory integration PT and Ot with speech about this time too. A

>couple of months later both were started on transdermal secretin

>cream. At 4 years and 10 mo both finally became toilet trained!! At

>about 4 1/2 i started vitamine C, and a slew of antioxidants. By 5

>their behavior improved somewhat but they still had a severe

>auditory processing problem and difficulty in social situations and

>very tryinng to take any where. My daughters fine motor skills

>showed some improvements and her coordination was better but my son

>still couldn't use scizzors or make a circle. He was still quiet and

>distant. I stopped secretin for a few Months and while my kids

>didn't regress they didn't improve much either. I restarted secretin

>in Feburary and had them extensively tested. I stoped the mega dose

>of vitamine C and antioxidants and gave them a kids multivitamin and

>calcium/magnesium supplement. Tests showed lead, copper and mercury

>in that order. They had all the vaccines and than some( annual flu

>shots for 3 years) Their failure to progress after their fifth

>birthday may be due to the fact they both got flu shots with

>thermosol at the time we quit secretin. On June 6 th this year I

>started both on 140mgs of DMAS (70 in am and 70 in pm) 3 consecutive

>days per week. They weighed 40 lbs. I also eliminated all allergens

>from their diet. I started 1mg melatonin in April at bedtime. After

>5 weeks a ped neuro said they had no dev. problems and no pdd or

>anything and rec. I quit all therapies! I saw a alt MD who cont

>detox. Last week They had a formal assessment by their therapists

>and have been cleared. The speech therapist said she had other kids

>recently get better after heavy metal detox too, but was

>particularily impressed with the degree of my kids auditory

>processing recovery. In July they had immune studies preformed and

>found to to be immune to MMR and DPT to qualify not to get any

>boosters! They also had titers to Human herpies 6 ( causes fifth

>disease). They also had anti myelin antibodies. They had numerous

>upper respiratory infections and ear infections and 15 plus courses

>of antibiotics. Befor their 3rd birthday. They also dev normally

>until 2 yr 3 mo when my son stopped speaking and by daughter was in

>her own world with pecurliar speech. They started acylovar (ZOVIRAX)

>800 mg in divided doses and their HHV 6 titers will be rechecked this

>fall to see if there is more than a 20% fluctuation(on the may be

>that this virus is a factor see Dr Micheal Goldbergs web site for his

>ttheories). But the improvement seen the day following each 3 day

>cycle was dramatic and noticable to all involved. It is clear the

>detox is so far the most clearly evident factor. We are successfully

>reintroducing foods back into their diet (Allergies get better once

>the mercury is out). My son the weaker and smaller of the two ( he

>did weigh mor at birth though) is much stronger and gained 5 lbs and

>grew an inch in 6 weeks ( heavy metals even at low levels can

>interfere with growth). The swiss study in the Journal of

>Neurochemistry clearly shows that at least in vitro, melatonin is a

>brain mercury chelator and or or both also an antioxidant specific to

>mercury and brain tissue. As a new twist I read a research article

>that seratonin with N A C is a potent brain antioxidant as well. So

>may be the secretin helped by increasing serotin levels as it is

>known to do. Autistic kids often have low serotin in CSF but high

>in circulating platletts (Is it being used up for detox in these kids

>leaving the brain in a deficit situation?) The most dramatic and

>complete recovery was seen this summer and in weekly steps during

>DMSA and Melatonin ( I cont the secretin cream as well)

>sincerly, Beverly

>

August 12, 2000

> >when my kids were 3 1/2 they were 1st dx. I started speech.By 4

> >my daughter got tubes for chronic otitis media. By 4y 3m both had

> >AIT with minimal but noticeable improv. Both have asthma and

> >allergies. At 41/2 I stopped milk with improvement in asthma.

Hair

> >analysis showed lead and mercury and copper and stool alot of

yeast.

> >Started anti yeast diet and 6 mo of 2million units nystatin powder

> >mixed with food twice daily. My daughters disruptive behavior

> >improved somewhat but both kids still had gross and fine motor

> >problems as well as a severe auditory processing problem. My

> >daughter learned to lip read with some relief from her tremendous

> >frustrations and my son remained withdrawn, quiet and angry.

Started

> >sensory integration PT and Ot with speech about this time too. A

> >couple of months later both were started on transdermal secretin

> >cream. At 4 years and 10 mo both finally became toilet trained!!

At

> >about 4 1/2 i started vitamine C, and a slew of antioxidants. By

5

> >their behavior improved somewhat but they still had a severe

> >auditory processing problem and difficulty in social situations

and

> >very tryinng to take any where. My daughters fine motor skills

> >showed some improvements and her coordination was better but my

son

> >still couldn't use scizzors or make a circle. He was still quiet

and

> >distant. I stopped secretin for a few Months and while my kids

> >didn't regress they didn't improve much either. I restarted

secretin

> >in Feburary and had them extensively tested. I stoped the mega

dose

> >of vitamine C and antioxidants and gave them a kids multivitamin

and

> >calcium/magnesium supplement. Tests showed lead, copper and

mercury

> >in that order. They had all the vaccines and than some( annual

flu

> >shots for 3 years) Their failure to progress after their fifth

> >birthday may be due to the fact they both got flu shots with

> >thermosol at the time we quit secretin. On June 6 th this year I

> >started both on 140mgs of DMAS (70 in am and 70 in pm) 3

consecutive

> >days per week. They weighed 40 lbs. I also eliminated all

allergens

> >from their diet. I started 1mg melatonin in April at bedtime.

After

> >5 weeks a ped neuro said they had no dev. problems and no pdd or

> >anything and rec. I quit all therapies! I saw a alt MD who cont

> >detox. Last week They had a formal assessment by their therapists

> >and have been cleared. The speech therapist said she had other

kids

> >recently get better after heavy metal detox too, but was

> >particularily impressed with the degree of my kids auditory

> >processing recovery. In July they had immune studies preformed

and

> >found to to be immune to MMR and DPT to qualify not to get any

> >boosters! They also had titers to Human herpies 6 ( causes fifth

> >disease). They also had anti myelin antibodies. They had

numerous

> >upper respiratory infections and ear infections and 15 plus

courses

> >of antibiotics. Befor their 3rd birthday. They also dev normally

> >until 2 yr 3 mo when my son stopped speaking and by daughter was

in

> >her own world with pecurliar speech. They started acylovar

(ZOVIRAX)

> >800 mg in divided doses and their HHV 6 titers will be rechecked

this

> >fall to see if there is more than a 20% fluctuation(on the may be

> >that this virus is a factor see Dr Micheal Goldbergs web site for

his

> >ttheories). But the improvement seen the day following each 3 day

> >cycle was dramatic and noticable to all involved. It is clear the

> >detox is so far the most clearly evident factor. We are

successfully

> >reintroducing foods back into their diet (Allergies get better

once

> >the mercury is out). My son the weaker and smaller of the two (

he

> >did weigh mor at birth though) is much stronger and gained 5 lbs

and

> >grew an inch in 6 weeks ( heavy metals even at low levels can

> >interfere with growth). The swiss study in the Journal of

> >Neurochemistry clearly shows that at least in vitro, melatonin is

a

> >brain mercury chelator and or or both also an antioxidant specific

to

> >mercury and brain tissue. As a new twist I read a research

article

> >that seratonin with N A C is a potent brain antioxidant as well.

So

> >may be the secretin helped by increasing serotin levels as it is

> >known to do. Autistic kids often have low serotin in CSF but

high

> >in circulating platletts (Is it being used up for detox in these

kids

> >leaving the brain in a deficit situation?) The most dramatic and

> >complete recovery was seen this summer and in weekly steps during

> >DMSA and Melatonin ( I cont the secretin cream as well)

> >sincerly, Beverly

> >

August 12, 2000

Trudy, they were neither tired nore short tempered. Once my daughter

said her head hurt , but it was short lived. They were pretty good,

but by the day after the three day cycle they would be unusually

bright and showed definite improvement. After 6 weeks they leveled

off but cont. to get better. I stoped twice for colds or fever and

made sure to give calcium magnesium zinc iorn and trace minerals as

detox with dmsa also takes out good minerals with the metals. A good

diet and nights sleep are important as you're putting their bodies

thru a big change. melatonin, 1mg , at bed time does alot to get

them a good nights rest too. good luck, beverly

> >when my kids were 3 1/2 they were 1st dx. I started speech.By 4

> >my daughter got tubes for chronic otitis media. By 4y 3m both had

> >AIT with minimal but noticeable improv. Both have asthma and

> >allergies. At 41/2 I stopped milk with improvement in asthma.

Hair

> >analysis showed lead and mercury and copper and stool alot of

yeast.

> >Started anti yeast diet and 6 mo of 2million units nystatin powder

> >mixed with food twice daily. My daughters disruptive behavior

> >improved somewhat but both kids still had gross and fine motor

> >problems as well as a severe auditory processing problem. My

> >daughter learned to lip read with some relief from her tremendous

> >frustrations and my son remained withdrawn, quiet and angry.

Started

> >sensory integration PT and Ot with speech about this time too. A

> >couple of months later both were started on transdermal secretin

> >cream. At 4 years and 10 mo both finally became toilet trained!!

At

> >about 4 1/2 i started vitamine C, and a slew of antioxidants. By

5

> >their behavior improved somewhat but they still had a severe

> >auditory processing problem and difficulty in social situations

and

> >very tryinng to take any where. My daughters fine motor skills

> >showed some improvements and her coordination was better but my

son

> >still couldn't use scizzors or make a circle. He was still quiet

and

> >distant. I stopped secretin for a few Months and while my kids

> >didn't regress they didn't improve much either. I restarted

secretin

> >in Feburary and had them extensively tested. I stoped the mega

dose

> >of vitamine C and antioxidants and gave them a kids multivitamin

and

> >calcium/magnesium supplement. Tests showed lead, copper and

mercury

> >in that order. They had all the vaccines and than some( annual

flu

> >shots for 3 years) Their failure to progress after their fifth

> >birthday may be due to the fact they both got flu shots with

> >thermosol at the time we quit secretin. On June 6 th this year I

> >started both on 140mgs of DMAS (70 in am and 70 in pm) 3

consecutive

> >days per week. They weighed 40 lbs. I also eliminated all

allergens

> >from their diet. I started 1mg melatonin in April at bedtime.

After

> >5 weeks a ped neuro said they had no dev. problems and no pdd or

> >anything and rec. I quit all therapies! I saw a alt MD who cont

> >detox. Last week They had a formal assessment by their therapists

> >and have been cleared. The speech therapist said she had other

kids

> >recently get better after heavy metal detox too, but was

> >particularily impressed with the degree of my kids auditory

> >processing recovery. In July they had immune studies preformed

and

> >found to to be immune to MMR and DPT to qualify not to get any

> >boosters! They also had titers to Human herpies 6 ( causes fifth

> >disease). They also had anti myelin antibodies. They had

numerous

> >upper respiratory infections and ear infections and 15 plus

courses

> >of antibiotics. Befor their 3rd birthday. They also dev normally

> >until 2 yr 3 mo when my son stopped speaking and by daughter was

in

> >her own world with pecurliar speech. They started acylovar

(ZOVIRAX)

> >800 mg in divided doses and their HHV 6 titers will be rechecked

this

> >fall to see if there is more than a 20% fluctuation(on the may be

> >that this virus is a factor see Dr Micheal Goldbergs web site for

his

> >ttheories). But the improvement seen the day following each 3 day

> >cycle was dramatic and noticable to all involved. It is clear the

> >detox is so far the most clearly evident factor. We are

successfully

> >reintroducing foods back into their diet (Allergies get better

once

> >the mercury is out). My son the weaker and smaller of the two (

he

> >did weigh mor at birth though) is much stronger and gained 5 lbs

and

> >grew an inch in 6 weeks ( heavy metals even at low levels can

> >interfere with growth). The swiss study in the Journal of

> >Neurochemistry clearly shows that at least in vitro, melatonin is

a

> >brain mercury chelator and or or both also an antioxidant specific

to

> >mercury and brain tissue. As a new twist I read a research

article

> >that seratonin with N A C is a potent brain antioxidant as well.

So

> >may be the secretin helped by increasing serotin levels as it is

> >known to do. Autistic kids often have low serotin in CSF but

high

> >in circulating platletts (Is it being used up for detox in these

kids

> >leaving the brain in a deficit situation?) The most dramatic and

> >complete recovery was seen this summer and in weekly steps during

> >DMSA and Melatonin ( I cont the secretin cream as well)

> >sincerly, Beverly

> >

August 13, 2000

Beverly,

This is a remarkable story. Can I add your twins to my case studies which

are posted on my website. You can go to

http://tlredwood.home .mindspring.com to read a few. Information is posted

with initials. You can see the format that I use. I need known exposurers

and any quotes from formal evaluations before and after treatment from

professional also help to document that the improvement is not just parent

perception. Also if any other parents what to share their childs progress

now that we have a number of parents chelating, please email me as well. I

hope to get the case studies up and running again and please remind me if I

have left out your child. This information really helps when we go to FDA,

CDC, NIH and can say we have documented evidence of mercury body burdens in

autistic children whose symptoms are documented to improve after treatment.

Lyn

[ ] melatonin

> when my kids were 3 1/2 they were 1st dx. I started speech.By 4

> my daughter got tubes for chronic otitis media. By 4y 3m both had

> AIT with minimal but noticeable improv. Both have asthma and

> allergies. At 41/2 I stopped milk with improvement in asthma. Hair

> analysis showed lead and mercury and copper and stool alot of yeast.

> Started anti yeast diet and 6 mo of 2million units nystatin powder

> mixed with food twice daily. My daughters disruptive behavior

> improved somewhat but both kids still had gross and fine motor

> problems as well as a severe auditory processing problem. My

> daughter learned to lip read with some relief from her tremendous

> frustrations and my son remained withdrawn, quiet and angry. Started

> sensory integration PT and Ot with speech about this time too. A

> couple of months later both were started on transdermal secretin

> cream. At 4 years and 10 mo both finally became toilet trained!! At

> about 4 1/2 i started vitamine C, and a slew of antioxidants. By 5

> their behavior improved somewhat but they still had a severe

> auditory processing problem and difficulty in social situations and

> very tryinng to take any where. My daughters fine motor skills

> showed some improvements and her coordination was better but my son

> still couldn't use scizzors or make a circle. He was still quiet and

> distant. I stopped secretin for a few Months and while my kids

> didn't regress they didn't improve much either. I restarted secretin

> in Feburary and had them extensively tested. I stoped the mega dose

> of vitamine C and antioxidants and gave them a kids multivitamin and

> calcium/magnesium supplement. Tests showed lead, copper and mercury

> in that order. They had all the vaccines and than some( annual flu

> shots for 3 years) Their failure to progress after their fifth

> birthday may be due to the fact they both got flu shots with

> thermosol at the time we quit secretin. On June 6 th this year I

> started both on 140mgs of DMAS (70 in am and 70 in pm) 3 consecutive

> days per week. They weighed 40 lbs. I also eliminated all allergens

> from their diet. I started 1mg melatonin in April at bedtime. After

> 5 weeks a ped neuro said they had no dev. problems and no pdd or

> anything and rec. I quit all therapies! I saw a alt MD who cont

> detox. Last week They had a formal assessment by their therapists

> and have been cleared. The speech therapist said she had other kids

> recently get better after heavy metal detox too, but was

> particularily impressed with the degree of my kids auditory

> processing recovery. In July they had immune studies preformed and

> found to to be immune to MMR and DPT to qualify not to get any

> boosters! They also had titers to Human herpies 6 ( causes fifth

> disease). They also had anti myelin antibodies. They had numerous

> upper respiratory infections and ear infections and 15 plus courses

> of antibiotics. Befor their 3rd birthday. They also dev normally

> until 2 yr 3 mo when my son stopped speaking and by daughter was in

> her own world with pecurliar speech. They started acylovar (ZOVIRAX)

> 800 mg in divided doses and their HHV 6 titers will be rechecked this

> fall to see if there is more than a 20% fluctuation(on the may be

> that this virus is a factor see Dr Micheal Goldbergs web site for his

> ttheories). But the improvement seen the day following each 3 day

> cycle was dramatic and noticable to all involved. It is clear the

> detox is so far the most clearly evident factor. We are successfully

> reintroducing foods back into their diet (Allergies get better once

> the mercury is out). My son the weaker and smaller of the two ( he

> did weigh mor at birth though) is much stronger and gained 5 lbs and

> grew an inch in 6 weeks ( heavy metals even at low levels can

> interfere with growth). The swiss study in the Journal of

> Neurochemistry clearly shows that at least in vitro, melatonin is a

> brain mercury chelator and or or both also an antioxidant specific to

> mercury and brain tissue. As a new twist I read a research article

> that seratonin with N A C is a potent brain antioxidant as well. So

> may be the secretin helped by increasing serotin levels as it is

> known to do. Autistic kids often have low serotin in CSF but high

> in circulating platletts (Is it being used up for detox in these kids

> leaving the brain in a deficit situation?) The most dramatic and

> complete recovery was seen this summer and in weekly steps during

> DMSA and Melatonin ( I cont the secretin cream as well)

> sincerly, Beverly

>

August 15, 2000

<< So melatonin does detoxify some heavy metals from the brain but just not

mercury? >>

melatonin doesn't detoxify any heavy metals from anywhere.

Andy

August 15, 2000

The current research into melatonin show it binds a number of heavy

metals, reverses oxidative stress, increases brain antioxidants and

protects the brain from damage from metals. It also seemed to

substantially prolong life of experimental animals. It is also said

to be very safe. Beverly

> I am trying to understand all of the melatonin talk. So melatonin

does

> detoxify some heavy metals from the brain but just not mercury? Is

that

> right?

>

> thanks

> Pam

August 15, 2000

<< We have not started our son on chelation therapy yet because we haven't

received the heavy metals test results back yet. However, I was wondering if

we should start our son on a bit of melatonin in the interim. Or should we

wait until we start chelating first? Andy? Anyone? >>

Feel free to use the melatonin. Since it is not a chelating agent at the

relevant concentrations you don't have to worry about it mobilizing metals.

Andy

August 15, 2000

We have not started our son on chelation therapy yet because we haven't

received the heavy metals test results back yet. However, I was wondering if

we should start our son on a bit of melatonin in the interim. Or should we

wait until we start chelating first? Andy? Anyone?

Al Asker

aka@...

[ ] Re: melatonin

> The current research into melatonin show it binds a number of heavy

> metals, reverses oxidative stress, increases brain antioxidants and

> protects the brain from damage from metals. It also seemed to

> substantially prolong life of experimental animals. It is also said

> to be very safe. Beverly

>

> > I am trying to understand all of the melatonin talk. So melatonin

> does

> > detoxify some heavy metals from the brain but just not mercury? Is

> that

> > right?

> >

> > thanks

> > Pam

>

August 15, 2000

> << So melatonin does detoxify some heavy metals from the brain but

just not

> mercury? >>

>

> melatonin doesn't detoxify any heavy metals from anywhere.

>

> Andy No offense, but if you want to take issue with the research

results as published in the Journal of Neurochemistry and Juornal of

Pineal Research, you ought to read it first. If you did, than I

will not be the one to question your motovations for disagreeing with

these studies. It is clear melatonin is helpful in detoxifing the

brain from heavy metals. I am certain reducing the total body load

with other chelators is highly desireable as well. I do not attack

your ALA theory, but I cannot find research to support it. I am

interested in learning more about ALA but I need to read research to

understand the actions you allege it has. Please cite them for us

and be careful , nobody knows everything about anything. Not even me.

August 15, 2000

I see no reason not to give 1mg at bedtime. Beverly

> > > I am trying to understand all of the melatonin talk. So

melatonin

> > does

> > > detoxify some heavy metals from the brain but just not

mercury? Is

> > that

> > > right?

> > >

> > > thanks

> > > Pam

> >

August 15, 2000

> > << So melatonin does detoxify some heavy metals from the brain

but

> just not

> > mercury? >>

> >

> > melatonin doesn't detoxify any heavy metals from anywhere.

> >

> > Andy No offense, but if you want to take issue with the research

> results as published in the Journal of Neurochemistry and Juornal

of

> Pineal Research, you ought to read it first. If you did, than I

> will not be the one to question your motovations for disagreeing

with

> these studies. It is clear melatonin is helpful in detoxifing the

> brain from heavy metals. I am certain reducing the total body load

> with other chelators is highly desireable as well. I do not attack

> your ALA theory, but I cannot find research to support it. I am

> interested in learning more about ALA but I need to read research

to

> understand the actions you allege it has. Please cite them for us

> and be careful , nobody knows everything about anything. Not even

me.

August 23, 2000

My son also has a bad reaction to melatonin. The next day he is more easily

upset. He also has a difficult time with tryptophan or should I say

tryptophan doesn't work on him the way it should. I got a Rx for it and

thought it would help him sleep or at least get sleepy in the evening so he

would go to bed before midnight, but no matter how much I gave him it didn't

work. Then I tried 5HTP and still no shuteye. Maybe because melatonin is

made from tryptophan there is some connection.

Janet

In a message dated 8/23/00 12:42:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

peart@... writes:

<< I have some questions about melatonin. Any comments

will be appreciated. I recently started giving my son 1 mg melatonin

at bedtime. Within two days, some symptoms got noticeably worse, in

particular emotional volatility, and the worst bags under his eyes we

had seen in some time. As melatonin seemed to be the only change in

his regimen, I stopped it, and the next day his behaviour was

improved. It is often difficult to know what to attribute symptom

changes to. Here there seemed to be some association with melatonin,

of course it may be coincidental. We are about to start on DMSA.

Given that others have used melatonin as part of a successful

treatment, I am of course wondering what to do now about the

melatonin. Back in, or leave it out? Wait until we start DMSA+LA,

then put it back in? Could the worse symptoms have been caused by

the melatonin? If so, why? Have others had reactions to melatonin?

Thanks in advance for any answers, suggestions, or comments.

Gerard.

>>

August 23, 2000

I have some questions about melatonin. Any comments