Re: to Mike & Rosemary

June 28, 2001

Diet and exercise ALWAYS worked for me the problem with me was I didn't

stick to it!!!!!

vellucci

Re: to Mike & Rosemary

<<<Making my way back to Durham for a clinic after two years was worth it

just to have this discussion with Dr. Rutledge. If diets and exercise

did not work prior to surgery, there is no reason to expect them to work

after surgery. Having said that, I still try to eat healthy and work out

as much as I can for all of the other benefits associated with a healthy

diet and regular exercise: reduced risk of heart disease, decreased risk

of cancer, less loss of bone mass, etc>>>

Mike & Rosemary,

I tend to disagree as far as that diets and exercise don't work post-op. I

weighed 384 when I met Dr R. I got down to about 210 without really trying.

I did however " diet " (hi protein, lo carb) to get to 354 to have surgery.

So, with that in mind, I have lost 144 lbs with this surgery. That is

without serious exercise nor following a decent eating regimen. Once I could

eat what I wanted, I did. I know that prevented me from losing more weight.

I feel that having gotten the majority of my weight off, I can now take the

final steps on my own through healthy eating (ie Weight Watchers, which

isn't called a diet) and exercise. At 384 or even 354, I just had too far to

go to successfully stick to the program. I can see the end in sight and I am

so much more happy with my body image that I don't get depressed and binge

or eat poorly. I want to lose down to about 165-170. I already have

undergrown 16's and wearing some 14's and that is weighing 196. I am very

large framed and 5'7 thus 170 lbs will put me about a size 10/12. I have

absolutely NO problem being that size.

Rosemary, I know how you feel about having so much to lose. I have been

there done that. Just know that YOU can do this. I don't know your eating

habits so I can't say what will get you to your goal. I know I didn't

follow the recommendations and change my eating patterns. I ate whatever I

wanted to. It can eventually catch up to you. I know some people who have

gained. Doesn't it make sense that eventually that could happen if we keep

eating the way we did, which led us to be morbidly obese.

Keep talking girl, ask for support and if you can increase your exercise and

eat sensibly.

Take care,

Cheryl

June 28, 2001

so, what is the answer for us?????????

Re: to Mike & Rosemary

<<<Making my way back to Durham for a clinic after two years was worth

it

just to have this discussion with Dr. Rutledge. If diets and exercise

did not work prior to surgery, there is no reason to expect them to work

after surgery. Having said that, I still try to eat healthy and work out

as much as I can for all of the other benefits associated with a healthy

diet and regular exercise: reduced risk of heart disease, decreased risk

of cancer, less loss of bone mass, etc>>>

Mike & Rosemary,

I tend to disagree as far as that diets and exercise don't work post-op.

I

weighed 384 when I met Dr R. I got down to about 210 without really

trying.

I did however " diet " (hi protein, lo carb) to get to 354 to have

surgery.

So, with that in mind, I have lost 144 lbs with this surgery. That is

without serious exercise nor following a decent eating regimen. Once I

could

eat what I wanted, I did. I know that prevented me from losing more

weight.

I feel that having gotten the majority of my weight off, I can now take

the

final steps on my own through healthy eating (ie Weight Watchers, which

isn't called a diet) and exercise. At 384 or even 354, I just had too

far to

go to successfully stick to the program. I can see the end in sight and

I am

so much more happy with my body image that I don't get depressed and

binge

or eat poorly. I want to lose down to about 165-170. I already have

undergrown 16's and wearing some 14's and that is weighing 196. I am

very

large framed and 5'7 thus 170 lbs will put me about a size 10/12. I have

absolutely NO problem being that size.

Rosemary, I know how you feel about having so much to lose. I have been

there done that. Just know that YOU can do this. I don't know your

eating

habits so I can't say what will get you to your goal. I know I didn't

follow the recommendations and change my eating patterns. I ate whatever

I

wanted to. It can eventually catch up to you. I know some people who

have

gained. Doesn't it make sense that eventually that could happen if we

keep

eating the way we did, which led us to be morbidly obese.

Keep talking girl, ask for support and if you can increase your exercise

and

eat sensibly.

Take care,

Cheryl

June 28, 2001

Ditto. Worked so well that I lost probably over 1,000 pounds over the

years. But ALWAYS gained back what was lost plus a little more. And

that's the problem - most people (I think the number is over 90%) gain

back any loses from dieting within two years.

Mike.....

Re: to Mike & Rosemary

<<<Making my way back to Durham for a clinic after two years was worth

it

just to have this discussion with Dr. Rutledge. If diets and exercise

did not work prior to surgery, there is no reason to expect them to work

after surgery. Having said that, I still try to eat healthy and work out

as much as I can for all of the other benefits associated with a healthy

diet and regular exercise: reduced risk of heart disease, decreased risk

of cancer, less loss of bone mass, etc>>>

Mike & Rosemary,

I tend to disagree as far as that diets and exercise don't work post-op.

I

weighed 384 when I met Dr R. I got down to about 210 without really

trying.

I did however " diet " (hi protein, lo carb) to get to 354 to have

surgery.

So, with that in mind, I have lost 144 lbs with this surgery. That is

without serious exercise nor following a decent eating regimen. Once I

could

eat what I wanted, I did. I know that prevented me from losing more

weight.

I feel that having gotten the majority of my weight off, I can now take

the

final steps on my own through healthy eating (ie Weight Watchers, which

isn't called a diet) and exercise. At 384 or even 354, I just had too

far to

go to successfully stick to the program. I can see the end in sight and

I am

so much more happy with my body image that I don't get depressed and

binge

or eat poorly. I want to lose down to about 165-170. I already have

undergrown 16's and wearing some 14's and that is weighing 196. I am

very

large framed and 5'7 thus 170 lbs will put me about a size 10/12. I have

absolutely NO problem being that size.

Rosemary, I know how you feel about having so much to lose. I have been

there done that. Just know that YOU can do this. I don't know your

eating

habits so I can't say what will get you to your goal. I know I didn't

follow the recommendations and change my eating patterns. I ate whatever

I

wanted to. It can eventually catch up to you. I know some people who

have

gained. Doesn't it make sense that eventually that could happen if we

keep

eating the way we did, which led us to be morbidly obese.

Keep talking girl, ask for support and if you can increase your exercise

and

eat sensibly.

Take care,

Cheryl

June 28, 2001

I know that when I was successful with dieting, it ALWAYS was with weight

watchers and I can make every dish imaginable, my problem is overeating in

times of stress and I am in therapy for this but I don't know if I'll ever

overcome the problem

Re: to Mike & Rosemary

,

IMHO " diet " is the way to go. I truly don't consider WW a diet. I consider

it a management of my eating habits. I didn't start keeping my food journal

until about 8 weeks after my surgery. I was AMAZED that I was within my

points range even with my little stomach. That told me that I could easily

" overeat " even with the surgery and that if I wanted to lose the weight I

would have to eat within my points (not allowing for the intestinal part of

the surgery since we don't really know how much of the food we malabsorb -

it is really just a guess). From a scientific standpoint I don't see how it

is possible for me not to lose the weight if I am eating less then the

recommended points for someone of my size - which means I am consuming less

calories than my body actually needs. The exercise will of course help. I

like WW because there is no food that is off limits if I am willing to use

the points for it. This is what I believe will work for me. You have to

find what you can live with and what you think will work for you.

in GA

Re: to Mike & Rosemary

>

> <<<Making my way back to Durham for a clinic after two years was worth

> it

> just to have this discussion with Dr. Rutledge. If diets and exercise

> did not work prior to surgery, there is no reason to expect them to work

> after surgery. Having said that, I still try to eat healthy and work out

> as much as I can for all of the other benefits associated with a healthy

> diet and regular exercise: reduced risk of heart disease, decreased risk

> of cancer, less loss of bone mass, etc>>>

>

> Mike & Rosemary,

>

> I tend to disagree as far as that diets and exercise don't work post-op.

> I

> weighed 384 when I met Dr R. I got down to about 210 without really

> trying.

> I did however " diet " (hi protein, lo carb) to get to 354 to have

> surgery.

> So, with that in mind, I have lost 144 lbs with this surgery. That is

> without serious exercise nor following a decent eating regimen. Once I

> could

> eat what I wanted, I did. I know that prevented me from losing more

> weight.

>

> I feel that having gotten the majority of my weight off, I can now take

> the

> final steps on my own through healthy eating (ie Weight Watchers, which

> isn't called a diet) and exercise. At 384 or even 354, I just had too

> far to

> go to successfully stick to the program. I can see the end in sight and

> I am

> so much more happy with my body image that I don't get depressed and

> binge

> or eat poorly. I want to lose down to about 165-170. I already have

> undergrown 16's and wearing some 14's and that is weighing 196. I am

> very

> large framed and 5'7 thus 170 lbs will put me about a size 10/12. I have

> absolutely NO problem being that size.

>

> Rosemary, I know how you feel about having so much to lose. I have been

> there done that. Just know that YOU can do this. I don't know your

> eating

> habits so I can't say what will get you to your goal. I know I didn't

> follow the recommendations and change my eating patterns. I ate whatever

> I

> wanted to. It can eventually catch up to you. I know some people who

> have

> gained. Doesn't it make sense that eventually that could happen if we

> keep

> eating the way we did, which led us to be morbidly obese.

>

> Keep talking girl, ask for support and if you can increase your exercise

> and

> eat sensibly.

>

> Take care,

>

> Cheryl

>

June 28, 2001