Re: Re: OT - very sad but desperately need help

[Guest guest]

Dear Jane,

There are biological disorders associated with autism that can cause

aggression. Heavy metal poisoning is one. Has your son gotten a laboratory hair

analysis? That would reveal heavy metal poisoning if present, and there is

treatment for it. Also destruction of the myelin sheath on the cranial nerves

can

cause violence. A book about that is: " Vaccination, Social Violence, And

Criminality: The Medical Assault On the American Brain " by Coulter. In

his

book he states that there is no way to repair the myelin sheath, however, it

is repairable. You can get some info about that from _www.drcarley.com_

(http://www.drcarley.com) . Also MSM has been used to repair the myelin sheath.

MSM is an ingredient in Sulfurzyme, which you can get from

_www.youngliving.com_ (http://www.youngliving.com) . Also _www.truehope.com_

(http://www.truehope.com) may be able to help with your son. Digestive

disorders, blood sugar

disorders, and sensory disorders can all lead to violence. You may be able to

find some info and help from _www.thedaviscenter.com_

(http://www.thedaviscenter.com) and _www.autismresearchinstitute.com_

(http://www.autismresearchinstitute.com) and by going to the Pfeiffer

Treatment Center's web site. My

autistic son (age 25) is presently incarcerated. He is honestly legally not

guilty.

The scientific evidence that would have proven his innocence did not come

out in court. He was sentenced to 14 to 28 years in prison. My son is being

punished for having a treatable biological disorder. I am struggling to raise

the money needed to hire a lawyer who will bring out the truth and set my son

free. Please pray for my son. His name is . If any one wishes to donate

to his legal expenses, please write to _FreeRabold@..._

(mailto:FreeRabold@...) for more info. I wish you the best for your

beautiful

son. Search for everything he needs to be well. Never give up.

Sincerely,

Debby

In a message dated 7/17/2006 9:08:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

dannenedrummond@... writes:

I don't have any advice, I just want to say I feel for you and what

you are going through. I hope your little guy gets the help he

needs to be able to deal with these issues. Just remember that he

really is not a malicious person, he probably can't control

himself. I know my son can't control himself. Take care hon.

>

> Yesterday my 10-year old autistic son hit our 11/2 year old yellow

lab so hard that she ended up in the animal ER with traumatic head

injury. We had her put to sleep just 2 hours ago.

> Aside from the fact that I am a giant mess over having lost our

beloved dog, I need some advice on how to deal with . He

simply does not understand that he did anything wrong. What upset

him the most was seeing me cry, but he got over it really fast. How

can I help him deal with anger? Anyone know if counseling would

help? It is a tough one since it involves the emotion issue.

> If anyone has any experience with this kind of stuff or could

offer some advice, i would greatly appreciate it.

> Jane

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you so much. just informed me that he is not the least bit

upset about the dog which of course upset me even more.

I know he doesn't understand it, but I still feel that there should be some

consequences for killing the family pet. I just don't know how to make him get

the connection.

Jane

dannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote:

I don't have any advice, I just want to say I feel for you and what

you are going through. I hope your little guy gets the help he

needs to be able to deal with these issues. Just remember that he

really is not a malicious person, he probably can't control

himself. I know my son can't control himself. Take care hon.

>

> Yesterday my 10-year old autistic son hit our 11/2 year old yellow

lab so hard that she ended up in the animal ER with traumatic head

injury. We had her put to sleep just 2 hours ago.

> Aside from the fact that I am a giant mess over having lost our

beloved dog, I need some advice on how to deal with . He

simply does not understand that he did anything wrong. What upset

him the most was seeing me cry, but he got over it really fast. How

can I help him deal with anger? Anyone know if counseling would

help? It is a tough one since it involves the emotion issue.

> If anyone has any experience with this kind of stuff or could

offer some advice, i would greatly appreciate it.

> Jane

>

>

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[Guest guest]

is on the GF/CF diet, probiotics, MB12, spectrum complete, DHA, and

digestive enzymes. We have seen huge improvements in him, but the dog problem

has been ongoing from the time we got the dog. Angel would steal his toys (just

a puppy mind you) and it would send him into a rage. We tried everything we

could possibly think of but nothing helped. He has absolutely no violent

tendencies other than wresteling with daddy (but daddy teases him a lot).

Jane

lanellici <lanellici@...> wrote:

>

> Yesterday my 10-year old autistic son hit our 11/2 year old yellow

lab so hard that she ended up in the animal ER with traumatic head

injury. We had her put to sleep just 2 hours ago.

> Aside from the fact that I am a giant mess over having lost our

beloved dog, I need some advice on how to deal with .

So sorry about your dog and the whole thing.

What are you doing biomedically for him? My son was aggressive and

violent, and the Feingold diet, Houston enzymes, yeast and bacteria

treatment, and lots of chelation brought him out of it.

My son was Asperger's, no language problems at all -- but I found

talking and teaching to be next to useless for any kind of social or

emotional situation. Biomed fixed it though.

Nell

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We have never gotten the hair test done although we are doing the biomedical

stuff leading to chelation.

I will definitely check out the info you provided.

I am praying for your son as well.

Jane

Rabold92@... wrote:

Dear Jane,

There are biological disorders associated with autism that can cause

aggression. Heavy metal poisoning is one. Has your son gotten a laboratory hair

analysis? That would reveal heavy metal poisoning if present, and there is

treatment for it. Also destruction of the myelin sheath on the cranial nerves

can

cause violence. A book about that is: " Vaccination, Social Violence, And

Criminality: The Medical Assault On the American Brain " by Coulter. In

his

book he states that there is no way to repair the myelin sheath, however, it

is repairable. You can get some info about that from _www.drcarley.com_

(http://www.drcarley.com) . Also MSM has been used to repair the myelin sheath.

MSM is an ingredient in Sulfurzyme, which you can get from

_www.youngliving.com_ (http://www.youngliving.com) . Also _www.truehope.com_

(http://www.truehope.com) may be able to help with your son. Digestive

disorders, blood sugar

disorders, and sensory disorders can all lead to violence. You may be able to

find some info and help from _www.thedaviscenter.com_

(http://www.thedaviscenter.com) and _www.autismresearchinstitute.com_

(http://www.autismresearchinstitute.com) and by going to the Pfeiffer Treatment

Center's web site. My

autistic son (age 25) is presently incarcerated. He is honestly legally not

guilty.

The scientific evidence that would have proven his innocence did not come

out in court. He was sentenced to 14 to 28 years in prison. My son is being

punished for having a treatable biological disorder. I am struggling to raise

the money needed to hire a lawyer who will bring out the truth and set my son

free. Please pray for my son. His name is . If any one wishes to donate

to his legal expenses, please write to _FreeRabold@..._

(mailto:FreeRabold@...) for more info. I wish you the best for your

beautiful

son. Search for everything he needs to be well. Never give up.

Sincerely,

Debby

In a message dated 7/17/2006 9:08:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

dannenedrummond@... writes:

I don't have any advice, I just want to say I feel for you and what

you are going through. I hope your little guy gets the help he

needs to be able to deal with these issues. Just remember that he

really is not a malicious person, he probably can't control

himself. I know my son can't control himself. Take care hon.

>

> Yesterday my 10-year old autistic son hit our 11/2 year old yellow

lab so hard that she ended up in the animal ER with traumatic head

injury. We had her put to sleep just 2 hours ago.

> Aside from the fact that I am a giant mess over having lost our

beloved dog, I need some advice on how to deal with . He

simply does not understand that he did anything wrong. What upset

him the most was seeing me cry, but he got over it really fast. How

can I help him deal with anger? Anyone know if counseling would

help? It is a tough one since it involves the emotion issue.

> If anyone has any experience with this kind of stuff or could

offer some advice, i would greatly appreciate it.

> Jane

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It's great that you are doing everything you can to help your son while he

is little. This info was not available when was young. Thank you so much

for your prayers. God will rescue my son. He has been giving me info and

working miracles that will lead to 's release. I can't wait.

Debby

Please don't feel bad that your son shows no remorse about the dog. It's

part of the syndrome. It will change when he is well.

In a message dated 7/17/2006 11:12:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

autismjtm@... writes:

We have never gotten the hair test done although we are doing the biomedical

stuff leading to chelation.

I will definitely check out the info you provided.

I am praying for your son as well.

Jane

Rabold92@... wrote:

Dear Jane,

There are biological disorders associated with autism that can cause

aggression. Heavy metal poisoning is one. Has your son gotten a laboratory

hair

analysis? That would reveal heavy metal poisoning if present, and there is

treatment for it. Also destruction of the myelin sheath on the cranial

nerves can

cause violence. A book about that is: " Vaccination, Social Violence, And

Criminality: The Medical Assault On the American Brain " by Coulter.

In his

book he states that there is no way to repair the myelin sheath, however, it

is repairable. You can get some info about that from _www.drcarley.com_

(http://www.drcarley.com) . Also MSM has been used to repair the myelin

sheath.

MSM is an ingredient in Sulfurzyme, which you can get from

_www.youngliving.com_ (http://www.youngliving.com) . Also _www.truehope.com_

(http://www.truehope.com) may be able to help with your son. Digestive

disorders, blood sugar

disorders, and sensory disorders can all lead to violence. You may be able

to

find some info and help from _www.thedaviscenter.com_

(http://www.thedaviscenter.com) and _www.autismresearchinstitute.com_

(http://www.autismresearchinstitute.com) and by going to the Pfeiffer

Treatment Center's web site. My

autistic son (age 25) is presently incarcerated. He is honestly legally not

guilty.

The scientific evidence that would have proven his innocence did not come

out in court. He was sentenced to 14 to 28 years in prison. My son is being

punished for having a treatable biological disorder. I am struggling to

raise

the money needed to hire a lawyer who will bring out the truth and set my

son

free. Please pray for my son. His name is . If any one wishes to donate

to his legal expenses, please write to _FreeRabold@..._

(mailto:FreeRabold@...) for more info. I wish you the best for your

beautiful

son. Search for everything he needs to be well. Never give up.

Sincerely,

Debby

In a message dated 7/17/2006 9:08:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

dannenedrummond@... writes:

I don't have any advice, I just want to say I feel for you and what

you are going through. I hope your little guy gets the help he

needs to be able to deal with these issues. Just remember that he

really is not a malicious person, he probably can't control

himself. I know my son can't control himself. Take care hon.

>

> Yesterday my 10-year old autistic son hit our 11/2 year old yellow

lab so hard that she ended up in the animal ER with traumatic head

injury. We had her put to sleep just 2 hours ago.

> Aside from the fact that I am a giant mess over having lost our

beloved dog, I need some advice on how to deal with . He

simply does not understand that he did anything wrong. What upset

him the most was seeing me cry, but he got over it really fast. How

can I help him deal with anger? Anyone know if counseling would

help? It is a tough one since it involves the emotion issue.

> If anyone has any experience with this kind of stuff or could

offer some advice, i would greatly appreciate it.

> Jane

>

>

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I definitely know it is because of the toy stealing thing because at other times

he would be hugging all over the dog and telling it that he loved it.

Jane

danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

>

> is on the GF/CF diet, probiotics, MB12, spectrum

complete, DHA, and digestive enzymes.

For my #3, mB12 caused problems with aggression and a few other

things, until I gave it with folic acid and an increased yeast protocol.

For my #2, CLO or any other EFAs made him mean and aggressive, until I

gave them with mito cocktail and amino acids.

Can you ask him why he does not like the dog? Or do you know it is

because the dog was stealing his toys?

Dana

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Dana, what is CLO and what is a mito cocktail?

--- danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

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>

> For my #3, mB12 caused problems with aggression

> and a few other

> things, until I gave it with folic acid and an

> increased yeast protocol.

>

> For my #2, CLO or any other EFAs made him mean

> and aggressive, until I

> gave them with mito cocktail and amino acids.

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CLO=cod liver oil

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Ok now this one I have a few problems with. First of all, where in the good

lord's name would I get a hold of an illegal substance.

Second of all it is my understanding that that the gluten and casein proteins

already creates conditions similar to " being high " . Although you said the

brownie does not make him high, it still creates the calming effect which to me

is pretty much the same thing. Am I wrong in assuming that this is the state of

mind that we are trying to get our kids out of?

Please don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your advice, I am just having a

hard time understanding where the marijuana fit in. I am not familiar with the

SAM project - please explain. I apologize for being ignorant about all of this.

Jane

forcurley <thisiskathys@...> wrote:

I'm so sorry for what you are going through.

I have some suggestions, but these are not from my own experience,

just from listening/watching the DAN! Videos. If you haven't watched

every single one of them, please, do yourself a favor and take the

time to do just that. You will never regret it.

I would start with these things, if he were my boy:

I would increase his B6/Magnesium. There are many, many testimonials

about overcoming aggression with higher doses of B6.

If those things didn't help, or maybe even first, I would try

marijuana. The SAM Project started because of a mom who's son was so

out of control he had been thrown out of several group homes. She

gave him a brownie with marijuana in it and the aggression stopped.

Now she (and many, many others) give 1/4 of a brownie a day to their

kids. It doesn't get them high, but helps level their chemestry.

If you go on the ARI website, there is a lot of infor about all of

these things.

I would go to a gastrointerologist and have him scoped and see if he

has gut pain. If he did, I would switch to a CF version of the

Specific Carbohydrate Diet.

I'll be thinking of your boy and sending my best to all of you.

>

> Yesterday my 10-year old autistic son hit our 11/2 year old yellow

lab so hard that she ended up in the animal ER with traumatic head

injury. We had her put to sleep just 2 hours ago.

> Aside from the fact that I am a giant mess over having lost our

beloved dog, I need some advice on how to deal with . He

simply does not understand that he did anything wrong. What upset him

the most was seeing me cry, but he got over it really fast. How can I

help him deal with anger? Anyone know if counseling would help? It is

a tough one since it involves the emotion issue.

> If anyone has any experience with this kind of stuff or could

offer some advice, i would greatly appreciate it.

> Jane

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In many states marajuana can be prescribed by a doctor, and it is not illegal

to have in that case. I know two people who get medical marajuana from their

doctors and use it for chronic pain. Neither one of them use it to get high

(although considering the amount of pain they have without it, I wouldn't blame

them if they did).

I don't know enough about the chemistry of marajuana to give amounts, but

from what I've read, the amount which I am speaking of doesn't make anyone

high. It's not at all the same as an opioid, which is like opium or heroin,

which I wouldn't give to anyone.

I'm not trying to talk you into doing something against your beliefs. I

just know that if I were terrified about my child's behavior I would be willing

to consider anything. Many parents say this helps their children and no, they

are not getting their kids high.

Perscription medicine is used for aggression every day. Prozac for older

kids and Ritalin for children, these are popular and considered safe. But

every day kids get sick from their side effects. So far as I know, marajuana

has no side effects at all.

But...if this sounds too far outside of what you are comfortable doing, why

not go online and download the DAN! lectures about Vitamin B6/magnesium. Dr.

Rimland gives a very convincing talk about their safety and their use for

agression and other behavioral problems. It is safe, very effective and legal

everywhere. : D

jane milota <autismjtm@...> wrote:

Ok now this one I have a few problems with. First of all, where in the good

lord's name would I get a hold of an illegal substance.

Second of all it is my understanding that that the gluten and casein proteins

already creates conditions similar to " being high " . Although you said the

brownie does not make him high, it still creates the calming effect which to me

is pretty much the same thing. Am I wrong in assuming that this is the state of

mind that we are trying to get our kids out of?

Please don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your advice, I am just having

a hard time understanding where the marijuana fit in. I am not familiar with

the SAM project - please explain. I apologize for being ignorant about all of

this.

Jane

forcurley <thisiskathys@...> wrote:

I'm so sorry for what you are going through.

I have some suggestions, but these are not from my own experience,

just from listening/watching the DAN! Videos. If you haven't watched

every single one of them, please, do yourself a favor and take the

time to do just that. You will never regret it.

I would start with these things, if he were my boy:

I would increase his B6/Magnesium. There are many, many testimonials

about overcoming aggression with higher doses of B6.

If those things didn't help, or maybe even first, I would try

marijuana. The SAM Project started because of a mom who's son was so

out of control he had been thrown out of several group homes. She

gave him a brownie with marijuana in it and the aggression stopped.

Now she (and many, many others) give 1/4 of a brownie a day to their

kids. It doesn't get them high, but helps level their chemestry.

If you go on the ARI website, there is a lot of infor about all of

these things.

I would go to a gastrointerologist and have him scoped and see if he

has gut pain. If he did, I would switch to a CF version of the

Specific Carbohydrate Diet.

I'll be thinking of your boy and sending my best to all of you.

>

> Yesterday my 10-year old autistic son hit our 11/2 year old yellow

lab so hard that she ended up in the animal ER with traumatic head

injury. We had her put to sleep just 2 hours ago.

> Aside from the fact that I am a giant mess over having lost our

beloved dog, I need some advice on how to deal with . He

simply does not understand that he did anything wrong. What upset him

the most was seeing me cry, but he got over it really fast. How can I

help him deal with anger? Anyone know if counseling would help? It is

a tough one since it involves the emotion issue.

> If anyone has any experience with this kind of stuff or could

offer some advice, i would greatly appreciate it.

> Jane

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Wow, that is all news to me. I guess I am just having a hard time with the

though of giving that stuff to a 10-year old.

On the anger issue, this has never been a problem for us before. That is why I

was having such a hard time when he said that he hit the dog. The kind of blow

it would take to send a strong yellow lab into a 45 minute convulsion was just

beyond what I thought my son was capable of. And it turned out that he did not

do it after all.

Jane

bnana <thisiskathys@...> wrote:

In many states marajuana can be prescribed by a doctor, and it is not

illegal to have in that case. I know two people who get medical marajuana from

their doctors and use it for chronic pain. Neither one of them use it to get

high (although considering the amount of pain they have without it, I wouldn't

blame them if they did).

I don't know enough about the chemistry of marajuana to give amounts, but from

what I've read, the amount which I am speaking of doesn't make anyone high. It's

not at all the same as an opioid, which is like opium or heroin, which I

wouldn't give to anyone.

I'm not trying to talk you into doing something against your beliefs. I just

know that if I were terrified about my child's behavior I would be willing to

consider anything. Many parents say this helps their children and no, they are

not getting their kids high.

Perscription medicine is used for aggression every day. Prozac for older kids

and Ritalin for children, these are popular and considered safe. But every day

kids get sick from their side effects. So far as I know, marajuana has no side

effects at all.

But...if this sounds too far outside of what you are comfortable doing, why not

go online and download the DAN! lectures about Vitamin B6/magnesium. Dr. Rimland

gives a very convincing talk about their safety and their use for agression and

other behavioral problems. It is safe, very effective and legal everywhere. : D

jane milota <autismjtm@...> wrote: Ok now this one I have a few problems

with. First of all, where in the good lord's name would I get a hold of an

illegal substance.

Second of all it is my understanding that that the gluten and casein proteins

already creates conditions similar to " being high " . Although you said the

brownie does not make him high, it still creates the calming effect which to me

is pretty much the same thing. Am I wrong in assuming that this is the state of

mind that we are trying to get our kids out of?

Please don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your advice, I am just having a

hard time understanding where the marijuana fit in. I am not familiar with the

SAM project - please explain. I apologize for being ignorant about all of this.

Jane

forcurley <thisiskathys@...> wrote:

I'm so sorry for what you are going through.

I have some suggestions, but these are not from my own experience,

just from listening/watching the DAN! Videos. If you haven't watched

every single one of them, please, do yourself a favor and take the

time to do just that. You will never regret it.

I would start with these things, if he were my boy:

I would increase his B6/Magnesium. There are many, many testimonials

about overcoming aggression with higher doses of B6.

If those things didn't help, or maybe even first, I would try

marijuana. The SAM Project started because of a mom who's son was so

out of control he had been thrown out of several group homes. She

gave him a brownie with marijuana in it and the aggression stopped.

Now she (and many, many others) give 1/4 of a brownie a day to their

kids. It doesn't get them high, but helps level their chemestry.

If you go on the ARI website, there is a lot of infor about all of

these things.

I would go to a gastrointerologist and have him scoped and see if he

has gut pain. If he did, I would switch to a CF version of the

Specific Carbohydrate Diet.

I'll be thinking of your boy and sending my best to all of you.

>

> Yesterday my 10-year old autistic son hit our 11/2 year old yellow

lab so hard that she ended up in the animal ER with traumatic head

injury. We had her put to sleep just 2 hours ago.

> Aside from the fact that I am a giant mess over having lost our

beloved dog, I need some advice on how to deal with . He

simply does not understand that he did anything wrong. What upset him

the most was seeing me cry, but he got over it really fast. How can I

help him deal with anger? Anyone know if counseling would help? It is

a tough one since it involves the emotion issue.

> If anyone has any experience with this kind of stuff or could

offer some advice, i would greatly appreciate it.

> Jane

>

>

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