Guest guest Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Ted, Sue problably doesn't think she needs CIs because she is able to lipread as well as she does. Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I think lip reading is not only about lip reading. Its all about _reading_ the whole situation at once, take what you hear, see, know and use some logical deduction to understand whats going on. If you get some clues this way it will be easier to lip read too. As we all know most deaf people are not truly deaf. Most of them hear some sound and speech. Many of them actually hear very well with hearing aids. If you see yourself as deaf or hard of hearing is more about identity, what language you prefer, signlanguage or speech, if you have deaf or hearing friends... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 No matter how well you read lips/faces there are a hundred situations that occur where you're talking to person A and then person B or C or D make a comment and someone else then follows up and the Lip reader is hopelessly behind the curve. Plus all the times someone may talk to you when you're not looking or continue talking after you've started to walk away (and you continue to do so leaving the other person either annoyed or bewildered why). While a great ability, Lip Reading doesn't come close to giving what a CI give us every day in all those and countless other situations. Bruce > > Ted, > > Sue problably doesn't think she needs CIs because she is able to lipread as well as she does. > > > Bilateral Cochlear CIs > December 2004 and February 2006 > Deafblind/Postlingual > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I think the same can be said for the way someone uses their residual hearing. When I could still hear well enough to use an FM system, I used the context of a sentence, the environment I was in and my overall knowledge of a subject to help me understand what was being said. Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingual ---- bradyjake16 <bradyjake16@...> wrote: > I think lip reading is not only about lip reading. > Its all about _reading_ the whole situation at once, take what you hear, see, know and use some logical deduction to understand whats going on. If you get some clues this way it will be easier to lip read too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Mona , That is exactly what most people do anyway I believe. The same principle can be applied to reading. We dont actually read something word for word. But put me in a totally different situation, and I am lost for a bit. You ever notice that? Oh, no, I dont mean, do you notice I get lost? LOL *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* Why is it that people say they " slept like a baby " when babies wake up like every two hours? & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- rclark0276@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 , That's true. Even people with normal hearing do these things especially if they have difficulty hearing in a noisy environment. You have problems getting lost? Hmmm. We'll have to do something about that. Come to Wisconsin and I'll let you borrow my BrailleNote GPS. Problem solved. LOL! Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I agree Bruce. That's why I don't understand how Sue is able to lipread as well as she does on the show. On the program I saw last week, she was able to lipread two people whose back was turned towards here. (My sighted friend who was watching the show told me this.) I know it's a TV program, but it gives hearing people an unrealistic idea of what lipreading is all about. ---- Bruce <bachip@...> wrote: > No matter how well you read lips/faces there are a hundred situations > that occur where you're talking to person A and then person B or C or D > make a comment and someone else then follows up and the Lip reader is > hopelessly behind the curve. > Plus all the times someone may talk to you when you're not looking or > continue talking after you've started to walk away (and you continue to > do so leaving the other person either annoyed or bewildered why). > > While a great ability, Lip Reading doesn't come close to giving what a > CI give us every day in all those and countless other situations. > > Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Aww Mona you are a wonderful person. Actually, I have tried to get grants to get a new Braille Sense Plus with gps but I guess the economy made that impossible. But I will save my pennies and maybe have one by Christmas. Of course, I much rather not have to wait that long. LOL *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* A smile is the same in any language. & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- rclark0276@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 The only way she could is by CHEATING, someone(s) on the show are communicating to her behind the scenes. I don't know this show, but is she is aying like she can do this, it's a Terrible Lie to me. > > No matter how well you read lips/faces there are a hundred situations > > that occur where you're talking to person A and then person B or C or D > > make a comment and someone else then follows up and the Lip reader is > > hopelessly behind the curve. > > Plus all the times someone may talk to you when you're not looking or > > continue talking after you've started to walk away (and you continue to > > do so leaving the other person either annoyed or bewildered why). > > > > While a great ability, Lip Reading doesn't come close to giving what a > > CI give us every day in all those and countless other situations. > > > > Bruce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Might not be their choice or they might not be a candidates. Both the real and the actor Sue's have been exposed to the option through their life experieces, Ruth From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ted F. Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Sue I wonder why she never tried cochlear implants? Ted F. > > The website of the real Sue : http://www.suethomas.info/index.shtml Ruth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 , Have you tried the Lions Club? Perhaps they could purchase a Braille Sense with GPS for you. Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Mona , A previous experience wiht the Lions, when I lived in Portland, was less than fun. But I have been invited to speak to the Lions here this month about my experiences with guide dogs, so I may drop that on them. Be interesting to see how many jaws drop when I mention the price tag of $5,995. LOL *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* On the other hand, you have different fingers. & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- rclark0276@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I saw an article just last week that was an interview with Deanne Bray, the actress playing Sue . I think it was on About.com. In the interview she said that the real Sue had insisted they use a deaf actress to keep things more realistic. It also had a lot about how Deanne had trouble with the group scenes in the office and how there was no way she could lipread all that and how she had to try to make other actors adapt so that it was more realistic. That some would only want to face the camera when she needed them to face her. There aren't interpreters on the show because the real Sue never used them. Anyway, interesting intervew. Sorry I don't have the link, my iPhone can't cut and paste it anyway. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 We are after all talking about Hollywood which by its very nature will fudge reality to make their shows interesting to the general viewing public. To expect otherwise is to invite great disappointment. Enjoy the shows and allow yourselves to fall into dreamland where anything can, and does happen. *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* Can vegetarians eat animal crackers? & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- rclark0276@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 My guess is that she's using an ASL terp behind the scenes. Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 , The Lions Club paid for my computer in 1989 and if I remember correctly, it was around $3,000 total given the cost of the screen reader and computer itself. In my area, the Lions Club raises money by participating in a summer parade sponsored by the suburb in which I live. Mona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 It is unrealistic but it does bring hearing loss in front of the world at large and I saw many aspect of my life as a person with hearing loss highlighted such as social isolation. There are some incredibly excellent lipreaders out there…not all of us fit that category. We have to remember that TV shows are scripted and pieced together. Spoken lines are memorized, scenes are shot in segments and don’t occur simultaneously until they reach the editing room. I was cruising the net about Deanne Bray and came across her website. You will see that she has residual hearing to aid her lip reading but sees herself as culturally Deaf. http://www.deannebray.com Ruth From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of lkozlik@... Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sue I agree Bruce. That's why I don't understand how Sue is able to lipread as well as she does on the show. On the program I saw last week, she was able to lipread two people whose back was turned towards here. (My sighted friend who was watching the show told me this.) I know it's a TV program, but it gives hearing people an unrealistic idea of what lipreading is all about. .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=7962067/grpspId=1705013490/msgId=623\ 29/stime=1239557237/nc1=5658267/nc2=5202321/nc3=5689707> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 http://deafness.about.com/od/deafpeople/a/braykotsur.htm is this your article Sara? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sara G Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Sue I saw an article just last week that was an interview with Deanne Bray, the actress playing Sue . I think it was on About.com. In the interview she said that the real Sue had insisted they use a deaf actress to keep things more realistic. It also had a lot about how Deanne had trouble with the group scenes in the office and how there was no way she could lipread all that and how she had to try to make other actors adapt so that it was more realistic. That some would only want to face the camera when she needed them to face her. There aren't interpreters on the show because the real Sue never used them. Anyway, interesting intervew. Sorry I don't have the link, my iPhone can't cut and paste it anyway. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 How much residual hearing does Deanne have? Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 , Why do you prefer Braille sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 , Last year I was able to get my hands on all the note takers and tryt them on for size. The Braille Sense Plus has everything built in, no add ons are needed. Its one neat package that has Ethernet, as well as wireless networking and bluetooth capability. The only add on needed, if one wants it, is gps. The Braille Note is a nice unit too but the PacMate imprressed me the least and it was the heaviest of the 3. *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* Keep smiling! And...if you see someone's missing one....give them one of yours! & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- rclark0276@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Mona , I will sure see if I can interest the Lions in my quest for the Braille Plus! *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* Keep smiling! And...if you see someone's missing one....give them one of yours! & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- rclark0276@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 , Good summary. But I have to ask, why are some of your posts showing with a date of 11/8/2004? They end up at the bottom of my email pile (which is sorted by send date) and I have to go look for them. Can you please check your pc's clock date? Thanks, Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Kat, needs a new computer or new battery, whichever comes first. LOL *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* Isn't Disney World a people trap operated by a mouse? & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- rclark0276@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 , Deanne’s website says she has 85dB loss in one ear and wears a hearing aid. With the hearing aid she can hear many sounds and it helps her to lipread. Without it she hears nothing. The opposing ear is profoundly deaf. This would be quite compromised hearing as it is unilateral making groups, directionality and any noise particularly difficult even with a good hearing aid. But it can help face to face lip reading in reasonably quiet places. I remember those days myself. Ruth From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of lkozlik@... Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: RE: Re: Sue How much residual hearing does Deanne have? Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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