Re: Jane M./was: Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

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Thanks, hope I didn't stir up any additional painful thoughts with that question, but I couldn't get it out of my mind. Is weird that the vets didn't consider antifreeze poisoning as that happens to a LOT of dogs, unfortunately.

So glad, although not for the dog, that this turned out the way it did.

As far as the empathy is concerned, in my experience, chelation is the only way to get empathy. Empathic feelings are located in the same part of the brain said to be affected by mercury, so get the mercury out and the empathy will come. In my experience it is next to impossible to "teach" empathy and is akin to trying to explain the color red to a blind person.

Empathy requires "theory of mind" something that is lacking in all ASD kids to one extent or another. Theory of mind, is easy to test, as some ASD kids can tell you by looking at a picture of someone with a frown on their face what they are thinking. But if you add another person and ask the child "what is this person thinking about what the frowning person is thinking" it will stump about 99% of ASD kids.

Empathy is the ability to feel "as if" someone else, and to me, is the true test of telling whether an ASD child has lost their diagnosis. And there are some non ASD people that I have met, antisocial personalities, who also lack the capacity to feel "as if". In the case of the ASPD, there is no remediation as this is a function of their personality. Normally, the ASPD, had disruptions in or inadequate care or some kind of emotional trauma as a young child which causes them to not to develop empathic feelings.

With ASD kids, it is simply a matter of mercury poisoning, which can be remediated, through chelation. So chelate, chelate and chelate some more.

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From: jane milota

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:42 AM

Subject: Re: [ ]Jane M./was: Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

Well that is exactly the question. Because we told the vet that had hit the dog they never did an x-ray or anything. They just went with the assumption that it was traumatic head injury. This still bothers me because I really think that they should have confirmed the injury. Personally I think they had already given up on the dog and was simply trying to make it as comfortable as possible until we could make the decision.

The symptoms between head injury and chemical poisoning are pretty much the same with the convulsions being the biggest issue.

There was no visible signs of a head injury on Angel.

Jane Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Jane,

Sorry, but when I thought about this yesterday at work, I had a question about what happened to your dog.

How could the antifreeze have caused a massive head wound on the dog? Perhaps I am not understanding this, so forgive my confusion.

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From: Trish

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:40 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

Hi Jane, My dd (not Noah's mom), her husband and my grandaughter have a St. Bernard, an older german shepard-collie mix and an 8 month old boxer that they just got from the pound...can't believe that someone would give up such a beautiful well behaved dog! Anyway, the St. Bernard, Maya, is a very gentle, sweet albiet plus sized, young lady. The bad news is that she slobbers a lot!!! I do think that there are dry mouths, but you don't know if that will be the case if you get a puppy. The shedding isn't much worse than any other long haired dog. They keep the "kids" brushed, they vaccuum a lot and have a carpet cleaner at the ready. The outdoor clean-up is extensive. The end products coinside well with the size of each dog, if you know what I mean.... The good news is that Maya is very quiet and barks only when she feels the need. She is strong, compassionate and very loving. I don't know if by trait they are all this good, but she loves people and is well behaved around children. They are not for everybody, but there is no one dog that is! You might want to visit someone who has a St. Bernard, and spend some time with it. Talk to a St. Bernard Rescue person... ask why people give them up, and what attracts THEM to the breed. They are beautiful dogs and they definately make their presence known. If you have the space, A St. Bernard may be a good choice. Do some research and really talk it over as a family. I know how terrible you feel about losing your dog. You won't ever forget him, I know, but another pet will definately help you to move on as a family. Good luck to you in deciding on a breed.-Trish> Oh my gosh...that must be a relief. I bet you feel like someone just took a 2,000 pound weight off your chest! I know I would! I'm still very sorry about the loss of your dog, but it must be very comforting to know that your son did not cause your dog's demise. > > Best of luck with getting your new dog tomorrow!> > --Suzanne> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.>

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The vet did keep on asking if we were sure Angel did not get into anything but hubby kept saying no because he didn't even consider the paint. This just adds to his guilt feelings. As far as chelation is concerned, we are on our way. i have had some problems getting back on the diet but we should be just about set. I have to get some bloodwork done - which I am dreading because every time we go to the doc tells me "no blood shots, right?" Jane PS: No, you did not stir up any feelings that was not already there. I still have some concerns about why an x-ray was not done, but it is by no means anything that I am going to do anything about - I am grieving enough as it is. Now I have to give the puppy a bath. She STINKS!!!!! Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote: Thanks, hope I didn't stir up any additional painful thoughts with that question, but I couldn't get it out of my mind. Is weird that the vets didn't consider antifreeze poisoning as that happens to a LOT of dogs, unfortunately. So glad, although not for the dog, that this turned out the way it did. As far as the empathy is concerned, in my experience, chelation is

the only way to get empathy. Empathic feelings are located in the same part of the brain said to be affected by mercury, so get the mercury out and the empathy will come. In my experience it is next to impossible to "teach" empathy and is akin to trying to explain the color red to a blind person. Empathy requires "theory of mind" something that is lacking in all ASD kids to one extent or another. Theory of mind, is easy to test, as some ASD kids can tell you by looking at a picture of someone with a frown on their face what they are thinking. But if you add another person and ask the child "what is this person thinking about what the frowning person is thinking" it will stump about 99% of ASD kids. Empathy is the ability to feel "as if" someone

else, and to me, is the true test of telling whether an ASD child has lost their diagnosis. And there are some non ASD people that I have met, antisocial personalities, who also lack the capacity to feel "as if". In the case of the ASPD, there is no remediation as this is a function of their personality. Normally, the ASPD, had disruptions in or inadequate care or some kind of emotional trauma as a young child which causes them to not to develop empathic feelings. With ASD kids, it is simply a matter of mercury poisoning, which can be remediated, through chelation. So chelate, chelate and chelate some more.

----- Original Message ----- From: jane milota Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [ ]Jane M./was: Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog Well that is exactly the question. Because we told the vet that had hit the dog they never did an x-ray or anything. They just went with the assumption that it was traumatic head injury. This still bothers me because I really think that they should have confirmed the injury. Personally I

think they had already given up on the dog and was simply trying to make it as comfortable as possible until we could make the decision. The symptoms between head injury and chemical poisoning are pretty much the same with the convulsions being the biggest issue. There was no visible signs of a head injury on Angel. Jane Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote: Jane, Sorry, but when I thought about this yesterday at work, I had a question about what happened to your dog. How could the antifreeze have caused a massive head wound

on the dog? Perhaps I am not understanding this, so forgive my confusion. ----- Original Message ----- From: Trish Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: [ ] Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog Hi Jane, My dd (not Noah's mom), her husband and my grandaughter have a St. Bernard, an older german shepard-collie

mix and an 8 month old boxer that they just got from the pound...can't believe that someone would give up such a beautiful well behaved dog! Anyway, the St. Bernard, Maya, is a very gentle, sweet albiet plus sized, young lady. The bad news is that she slobbers a lot!!! I do think that there are dry mouths, but you don't know if that will be the case if you get a puppy. The shedding isn't much worse than any other long haired dog. They keep the "kids" brushed, they vaccuum a lot and have a carpet cleaner at the ready. The outdoor clean-up is extensive. The end products coinside well with the size of each dog, if you know what I mean.... The good news is that Maya is very quiet and barks only when she feels the need. She is strong, compassionate and very loving. I don't know if by trait they are all this good, but she loves people and is well behaved around children. They are not for everybody, but there is no

one dog that is! You might want to visit someone who has a St. Bernard, and spend some time with it. Talk to a St. Bernard Rescue person... ask why people give them up, and what attracts THEM to the breed. They are beautiful dogs and they definately make their presence known. If you have the space, A St. Bernard may be a good choice. Do some research and really talk it over as a family. I know how terrible you feel about losing your dog. You won't ever forget him, I know, but another pet will definately help you to move on as a family. Good luck to you in deciding on a breed.-Trish> Oh my gosh...that must be a relief. I bet you feel like someone just took a 2,000 pound weight off your chest! I know I would! I'm still very sorry about the loss of your dog, but it must be very comforting to know that your son did not cause your dog's demise. > > Best of luck with getting your new dog tomorrow!> > --Suzanne> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at

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Jane, have you used the Emla cream that you can get at any kid's drug store to numb his arm?

We had great success with that until one time when the really, really stupid (and I am being nice) phlebotomist decided to put the needle in OUTSIDE the clearly marked red areas which were numb, so next time when we went for blood work, the same lab tech came and we sent her away with an explanation to the nurse manager about what she had done. The nurse manager was completely understanding and said she would take care of her.

Anyway, they cannot feel anything when the bloodwork is taken and it makes things so much easier. Do you have a Kids and Cures pharmacy in your area?

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From: jane milota

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:25 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]Jane M./was: Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

The vet did keep on asking if we were sure Angel did not get into anything but hubby kept saying no because he didn't even consider the paint. This just adds to his guilt feelings.

As far as chelation is concerned, we are on our way. i have had some problems getting back on the diet but we should be just about set. I have to get some bloodwork done - which I am dreading because every time we go to the doc tells me "no blood shots, right?"

Jane

PS: No, you did not stir up any feelings that was not already there. I still have some concerns about why an x-ray was not done, but it is by no means anything that I am going to do anything about - I am grieving enough as it is.

Now I have to give the puppy a bath. She STINKS!!!!!

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks, hope I didn't stir up any additional painful thoughts with that question, but I couldn't get it out of my mind. Is weird that the vets didn't consider antifreeze poisoning as that happens to a LOT of dogs, unfortunately.

So glad, although not for the dog, that this turned out the way it did.

As far as the empathy is concerned, in my experience, chelation is the only way to get empathy. Empathic feelings are located in the same part of the brain said to be affected by mercury, so get the mercury out and the empathy will come. In my experience it is next to impossible to "teach" empathy and is akin to trying to explain the color red to a blind person.

Empathy requires "theory of mind" something that is lacking in all ASD kids to one extent or another. Theory of mind, is easy to test, as some ASD kids can tell you by looking at a picture of someone with a frown on their face what they are thinking. But if you add another person and ask the child "what is this person thinking about what the frowning person is thinking" it will stump about 99% of ASD kids.

Empathy is the ability to feel "as if" someone else, and to me, is the true test of telling whether an ASD child has lost their diagnosis. And there are some non ASD people that I have met, antisocial personalities, who also lack the capacity to feel "as if". In the case of the ASPD, there is no remediation as this is a function of their personality. Normally, the ASPD, had disruptions in or inadequate care or some kind of emotional trauma as a young child which causes them to not to develop empathic feelings.

With ASD kids, it is simply a matter of mercury poisoning, which can be remediated, through chelation. So chelate, chelate and chelate some more.

----- Original Message -----

From: jane milota

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:42 AM

Subject: Re: [ ]Jane M./was: Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

Well that is exactly the question. Because we told the vet that had hit the dog they never did an x-ray or anything. They just went with the assumption that it was traumatic head injury. This still bothers me because I really think that they should have confirmed the injury. Personally I think they had already given up on the dog and was simply trying to make it as comfortable as possible until we could make the decision.

The symptoms between head injury and chemical poisoning are pretty much the same with the convulsions being the biggest issue.

There was no visible signs of a head injury on Angel.

Jane Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Jane,

Sorry, but when I thought about this yesterday at work, I had a question about what happened to your dog.

How could the antifreeze have caused a massive head wound on the dog? Perhaps I am not understanding this, so forgive my confusion.

----- Original Message -----

From: Trish

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:40 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

Hi Jane, My dd (not Noah's mom), her husband and my grandaughter have a St. Bernard, an older german shepard-collie mix and an 8 month old boxer that they just got from the pound...can't believe that someone would give up such a beautiful well behaved dog! Anyway, the St. Bernard, Maya, is a very gentle, sweet albiet plus sized, young lady. The bad news is that she slobbers a lot!!! I do think that there are dry mouths, but you don't know if that will be the case if you get a puppy. The shedding isn't much worse than any other long haired dog. They keep the "kids" brushed, they vaccuum a lot and have a carpet cleaner at the ready. The outdoor clean-up is extensive. The end products coinside well with the size of each dog, if you know what I mean.... The good news is that Maya is very quiet and barks only when she feels the need. She is strong, compassionate and very loving. I don't know if by trait they are all this good, but she loves people and is well behaved around children. They are not for everybody, but there is no one dog that is! You might want to visit someone who has a St. Bernard, and spend some time with it. Talk to a St. Bernard Rescue person... ask why people give them up, and what attracts THEM to the breed. They are beautiful dogs and they definately make their presence known. If you have the space, A St. Bernard may be a good choice. Do some research and really talk it over as a family. I know how terrible you feel about losing your dog. You won't ever forget him, I know, but another pet will definately help you to move on as a family. Good luck to you in deciding on a breed.-Trish> Oh my gosh...that must be a relief. I bet you feel like someone just took a 2,000 pound weight off your chest! I know I would! I'm still very sorry about the loss of your dog, but it must be very comforting to know that your son did not cause your dog's demise. > > Best of luck with getting your new dog tomorrow!> > --Suzanne> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.>

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We had an issue at Akron Children's Hospital with our 4 year old son getting a blood draw. To make a long story short, we were very worried that he would have behavior problems with a blood draw. We called the hospital clinic in advance, even though there are not set appointments, and spoke to the director of the clinic to tell them he has autism and all of our concerns. As a result, they set us up with a very senior nurse and were prepared in advance for our visit. As soon as we got into the room for the blood draw, my wife pulled out a new toy and told him it was his if he was good and sat still. The nurse then did 11 blood draws (off of a single needle) and he never flinched or even looked at his arm.

I don't know what works for everyone, but advance preparation, both with the child and the clinic worked. Having it at a children's hospital that has dealt with special needs kids also made it work better.

Good luck.

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jane milotaSent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [ ]Jane M./was: Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

The vet did keep on asking if we were sure Angel did not get into anything but hubby kept saying no because he didn't even consider the paint. This just adds to his guilt feelings.

As far as chelation is concerned, we are on our way. i have had some problems getting back on the diet but we should be just about set. I have to get some bloodwork done - which I am dreading because every time we go to the doc tells me "no blood shots, right?"

Jane

PS: No, you did not stir up any feelings that was not already there. I still have some concerns about why an x-ray was not done, but it is by no means anything that I am going to do anything about - I am grieving enough as it is.

Now I have to give the puppy a bath. She STINKS!!!!!

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks, hope I didn't stir up any additional painful thoughts with that question, but I couldn't get it out of my mind. Is weird that the vets didn't consider antifreeze poisoning as that happens to a LOT of dogs, unfortunately.

So glad, although not for the dog, that this turned out the way it did.

As far as the empathy is concerned, in my experience, chelation is the only way to get empathy. Empathic feelings are located in the same part of the brain said to be affected by mercury, so get the mercury out and the empathy will come. In my experience it is next to impossible to "teach" empathy and is akin to trying to explain the color red to a blind person.

Empathy requires "theory of mind" something that is lacking in all ASD kids to one extent or another. Theory of mind, is easy to test, as some ASD kids can tell you by looking at a picture of someone with a frown on their face what they are thinking. But if you add another person and ask the child "what is this person thinking about what the frowning person is thinking" it will stump about 99% of ASD kids.

Empathy is the ability to feel "as if" someone else, and to me, is the true test of telling whether an ASD child has lost their diagnosis. And there are some non ASD people that I have met, antisocial personalities, who also lack the capacity to feel "as if". In the case of the ASPD, there is no remediation as this is a function of their personality. Normally, the ASPD, had disruptions in or inadequate care or some kind of emotional trauma as a young child which causes them to not to develop empathic feelings.

With ASD kids, it is simply a matter of mercury poisoning, which can be remediated, through chelation. So chelate, chelate and chelate some more.

----- Original Message -----

From: jane milota

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:42 AM

Subject: Re: [ ]Jane M./was: Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

Well that is exactly the question. Because we told the vet that had hit the dog they never did an x-ray or anything. They just went with the assumption that it was traumatic head injury. This still bothers me because I really think that they should have confirmed the injury. Personally I think they had already given up on the dog and was simply trying to make it as comfortable as possible until we could make the decision.

The symptoms between head injury and chemical poisoning are pretty much the same with the convulsions being the biggest issue.

There was no visible signs of a head injury on Angel.

Jane Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Jane,

Sorry, but when I thought about this yesterday at work, I had a question about what happened to your dog.

How could the antifreeze have caused a massive head wound on the dog? Perhaps I am not understanding this, so forgive my confusion.

----- Original Message -----

From: Trish

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:40 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

Hi Jane, My dd (not Noah's mom), her husband and my grandaughter have a St. Bernard, an older german shepard-collie mix and an 8 month old boxer that they just got from the pound...can't believe that someone would give up such a beautiful well behaved dog! Anyway, the St. Bernard, Maya, is a very gentle, sweet albiet plus sized, young lady. The bad news is that she slobbers a lot!!! I do think that there are dry mouths, but you don't know if that will be the case if you get a puppy. The shedding isn't much worse than any other long haired dog. They keep the "kids" brushed, they vaccuum a lot and have a carpet cleaner at the ready. The outdoor clean-up is extensive. The end products coinside well with the size of each dog, if you know what I mean.... The good news is that Maya is very quiet and barks only when she feels the need. She is strong, compassionate and very loving. I don't know if by trait they are all this good, but she loves people and is well behaved around children. They are not for everybody, but there is no one dog that is! You might want to visit someone who has a St. Bernard, and spend some time with it. Talk to a St. Bernard Rescue person... ask why people give them up, and what attracts THEM to the breed. They are beautiful dogs and they definately make their presence known. If you have the space, A St. Bernard may be a good choice. Do some research and really talk it over as a family. I know how terrible you feel about losing your dog. You won't ever forget him, I know, but another pet will definately help you to move on as a family. Good luck to you in deciding on a breed.-Trish> Oh my gosh...that must be a relief. I bet you feel like someone just took a 2,000 pound weight off your chest! I know I would! I'm still very sorry about the loss of your dog, but it must be very comforting to know that your son did not cause your dog's demise. > > Best of luck with getting your new dog tomorrow!> > --Suzanne> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.>

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In a message dated 7/20/2006 11:11:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Ladyshrink111@... writes:

As far as the empathy is concerned, in my experience, chelation is the only way to get empathy. Empathic feelings are located in the same part of the brain said to be affected by mercury, so get the mercury out and the empathy will come. In my experience it is next to impossible to "teach" empathy and is akin to trying to explain the color red to a blind person.

I disagree. We have always taught empathy to our son. He's never had any chelation anything. You also can't "get" empathy. If this were true, why wouldn't all your kids be running around empathizing. ly, they all wouldn't even be autistic anymore from reading all the emails lately. It's just not so simple, IMO. It's a lot of work. And as for NT people who lack empathy, I don't think it's like an "on/off" button. People have varying degrees just like any personality trait. Sometimes people are just not tuned in to others and they weren't tortured as children...they just are not good at it. There probably weren't even "mercury poisoned" either. They just aren't good at it.

Roxanna

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The word autism comes from the Latin word "auto" meaning self focus. Lack of "theory of mind" is THE hallmark characteristic of autism, this is not my opinion, this is the generally accepted amongst practitioners. If a child can understand "get" empathy, they are by working definition, NOT autistic. This lack of empathy and/or the "theory of mind" is at the core of the difficulties ASD kids have with social issues.

Also, my example of ASPD was the most polar form of lack of empathy, and yes, the switch is in the off position for them, the majority of the time this is permanent. For other people, yes, not so clear cut or they may be empathic to some things but not others. People do differ in their ability to empathize, but people who cannot empathize are not connected to others in the truest sense.

The most basic trait that connects us to others is the ability to "tune" into what others motives and thinking are. IMO, this is not teachable, if the machinery is not working.

And, not so hard work, rather easy really, when the machinery is not bogged down with mercury and bismuth.

Just my opinion and our experience,

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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:55 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]Jane M./was: Re: OT - it was paint that killed my dog

In a message dated 7/20/2006 11:11:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Ladyshrink111@... writes:

As far as the empathy is concerned, in my experience, chelation is the only way to get empathy. Empathic feelings are located in the same part of the brain said to be affected by mercury, so get the mercury out and the empathy will come. In my experience it is next to impossible to "teach" empathy and is akin to trying to explain the color red to a blind person.

I disagree. We have always taught empathy to our son. He's never had any chelation anything. You also can't "get" empathy. If this were true, why wouldn't all your kids be running around empathizing. ly, they all wouldn't even be autistic anymore from reading all the emails lately. It's just not so simple, IMO. It's a lot of work. And as for NT people who lack empathy, I don't think it's like an "on/off" button. People have varying degrees just like any personality trait. Sometimes people are just not tuned in to others and they weren't tortured as children...they just are not good at it. There probably weren't even "mercury poisoned" either. They just aren't good at it.

Roxanna

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In a message dated 7/20/2006 10:42:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Ladyshrink111@... writes:

The word autism comes from the Latin word "auto" meaning self focus. Lack of "theory of mind" is THE hallmark characteristic of autism, this is not my opinion, this is the generally accepted amongst practitioners. If a child can understand "get" empathy, they are by working definition, NOT autistic. This lack of empathy and/or the "theory of mind" is at the core of the difficulties ASD kids have with social issues.

I did not disagree with this.

<< The most basic trait that connects us to others is the ability to "tune" into what others motives and thinking are. IMO, this is not teachable, if the machinery is not working.>>

I disagreed with this.

Roxanna