Guest guest Posted July 9, 2003 Report Share Posted July 9, 2003 Reg Reynolds Sunil, think of VB as ABA. What is called VB is merely ABA that uses a bunch teaching methods which seem to be particularly useful for many kids PLUS a focus on " language from a functional perspective " (e.g., as exemplified by the ABLLS, the Assessment of Basic Language and Learning Skills). You don't have to ignore social or motor skills in order to employ the teaching methods associated with VB! > From: sunil menon <sunil_menon21@...> > Subject: ABA or VB - need to make a decision , please help!! > > Dear all, > We are in a big time dilemma. Our son had been doing ABA for the last 2 years but the progress had been rather limited. Though he has mastered number of sitting but his ability to generalize what he has learnt had been very poor. However irony is that he learns things faster outside the classroom. He is five is years old and non-verbal but otherwise an extremely social boy who loves people, open spaces, car rides... > ABA progress had been so frustrating that the school district is bent upon showing it as a big failure and thereby refusing to send an aide with him. Though my son had made lots of progress with the program but it is still not sufficient with regard to the age. Initially we felt that he is slow to learn and the reinforcers were poor making him badly motivated. Our ABA consultant banked on this issue for long but now we started feeling that it is not that reason. Infact he is not motivated because he extreme > ly bored and annoyed by the programs. we have seen him banging his head and we thought he needs compliance. But now we started getting the idea that after all he is also human and how long can he take the torture. I think ABA-lovaas method is very structured and somewhat robotic way of teaching , especially the compliance and the sitting interval. Since every child is wired differently, ABA-Lovaas intervention may not be ideal for all children. Moreover we felt that our consultant > follows the cookie-cutter methods as per the ABA rules. programs are never tailor-made or adjusted based on my childs needs. > > Cutting the email short, we are thinking of moving to VB . But we have heard stories that kids forget whatever they learnt in ABA once they move to VB. Moreover VB is more focused on verbal aspect but does not give emphasis on motor skills. Howfar this is true we need your advise. > > Please help us in making this decision. My son is nearly six two months from now and he is not verbal and does not enjoy toy play, sharing, taking turns etc which we beleive are fundametals for entering the normal school curriculum. > > Thankyou in advance > sunil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 hi laurie, I am a aba teacher and I think I mostly run my sessions like vb. I think it's great. I get sooo much more talking from my students when I don't do knee-to-knee sitting in chair trials. I use play (what they are interested in) try to work on the programs and expand their play skills. They don't even feel like they are working. One of the things that I don't like about aba is that they learn skills in one chair and in one room. I work in all rooms, all sitting positions (on the floor, in my lap, while playing), standing so they know they could answer anywhere. I always get crazy when these children can't answer simple questions in another setting, people say they don't know what's going on. I say they sure do they just don't want you to know it.(lol) teacher to the most unique, beautiful smart students ever and mom to -apraxia and emma-almost 2 beautiful terrible toddler Laurie Drago <mick8_7@...> wrote: Thanks Judi, thats exactly the artical I was going to send I did a 3 day workshop on VB and Mic is in the echoic stage now at least.I do not know if it will help apraxia but even if Mic approximates words at least he communicating and people who are close to him will understand him.I did a 3 day workshop on VB before I came to fla and intend to put Mic in an ABA school next year.For us it could be a godsend being Mic is downsyndrome/autism/apraxic/SID and a number of other labels I could use.Some of Mics speech problems are due to hypotonia{low muscle tone in mouth} but his connections from brain to mouth are misfiring also.Any form of communication is so pleasing to us.I just found that there is a verbal behavior group on at .Please forgive me if I get names mixed up I am in more than 10 groups and do get confused.I know that when someone walks in and Mic says o he means hello and for us is a huge step.Next step is manding for us.Mic has jumped from a 9 to 15 month level to a 2 year old level in 2 months and we havent seen this in a year hes 4 now.They tell me if there wasnt autism he would be high function downsyndrome.We do expect regression because when he spurts he also loses some of what hes gained after about 2 months thats the way autism works for us.I would love to hear from anyone with apraxia kids that have tried VB or ABA from my understanding Vb is not near as strict as ABA thanks again, Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 what you would say, if anything, is the difference between then what you do and play therapy? What I am wondering about is since most people will see that natural environment and playful, fun exchange helps more than a strict approach with many kids, is there any purpose to calling a program aba rather than just play therapy? thanks > hi laurie, > I am a aba teacher and I think I mostly run my sessions like vb. I think it's great. I get sooo much more talking from my students when I don't do knee-to-knee sitting in chair trials. I use play (what they are interested in) try to work on the programs and expand their play skills. They don't even feel like they are working. One of the things that I don't like about aba is that they learn skills in one chair and in one room. I work in all rooms, all sitting positions (on the floor, in my lap, while playing), standing so they know they could answer anywhere. I always get crazy when these children can't answer simple questions in another setting, people say they don't know what's going on. I say they sure do they just don't want you to know it.(lol) > > teacher to the most unique, beautiful smart students ever and mom to -apraxia and emma-almost 2 beautiful terrible toddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 A good workshop to attend is by Vince Carbone. His info is at Drcarbone.net. He has a workshop coming up in VA in June...If you can afford it, he is very educational and you walk away with a lot of ideas (not for Aspergers...just autism, particularly language delayed.) Another site that has a manual that is a good reference is www.Mariposaschool.org....be forewarned when you print the manual it is long, but it is good reading. They also follow the ABLLS which is by Sundberg and Partington. I have some other cool sites I will try and find and forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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