Re: Questions for my program

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In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:07:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, SMD@... writes:

Not trying to read too much into it but when you say he stips down and then plays with his toys, is he dressed in his after school clothes or in his birthday suit? First and foremost I would try and make playing with his toys contingent on being dressed if that's the case. Our children are stigmatized enough, IMHO, and anything we can do to lessen that is in our best interest.

ITA! It is funny also because my ds is a stripper as well. We did finally get him to wear his undies. But at home, he is in his undies all the time. And he's 9! Getting him to wear clothes in the world outside our house took many hours of work on my part. I feel more successful now at home because he does realize, if someone comes over, he has to run and get dressed. But I have been unable to have him stay dressed (laziness on my part, I'm sure.)

<<One thing we can be sure of is if your child has access to FAO Shwartz all the time you won't be able to use anything to your advantage due to satiation or the concept of I can just have that latter. In ABA there are things called 'setting events', 'establishing operations', or 'motivating operations' depending on the decade or the author. All this fancy talk really means is doing things to establish the effectiveness of something. Example, a man crawling through the dessert wants water more than someone who just got done with Thanksgiving dinner. The setting events, i.e. the dessert or being full with dinner set up how well something will work for you, i.e the glass or water. Maybe putting some of his toys away for certain times will increase your ability to use them as a reinforcer for contingent behavior. Or even putting them up high so he has to use rich language to get them.>>

Yes, and also you can use the toys during ABA as his motivation. If the guy I work with is stimming on a toy, I end up taking it with me into his ABA session and he can work for it. For instance, every time he says what I want, he gets to push a button or put a ball on the track or add a star to the pyramid we are making. This works really well. And he has fun too. And the parents took all the toys he stims over away so he would really want them to establish motivation.

Roxanna ô¿öAutism Happens

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In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:17:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, rmaher1969@... writes:

The thing is, our NT son also parades around in his underwear, so I don't see as being an autistic thing as being that we are just hillbillies! ROFL!!

ROFL! THis is my 9 yo also! Same problem, same relaxed attitude at home. And here we are referred to as "the hicks." lol.

Roxanna ô¿öAutism Happens

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Dear Group,

Today I began to get ready for our summer and our new adventure. I have decided to use many of the wonderful resources that you all have provided to help get me started. I was wondering, my son has a bedroom that rivals FAO Shwartz (HUGE toystore in Manhattan). His daily routine when he comes home from school is to strip down all of his clothes and then he retrieves whatever toys that strike his fancy for that moment and he will then play with them. One of his favorites is his muppet characters. He will then request a muppet video and he will reinact scenes from the videos. Often I am required to play along (NEVER TOUCH his dolls though) I am required to say a corresponding line from the script or to just watch and comment. He seeks my comments like "Yes, I see Kermit is dancing!" I have always let him do this partly b/c I feel like it's his "down time" after school and partly b/c he is being imaginative and is seeking me out for attention.

Should all his various "sets" of stimmy toys go away for a while so that I can engage him? When he has his toys, it's on HIS terms. Perhaps getting rid of them will force him to become engaged in what I want to do with him. Beleive me, I'm not dumb enough to think that this won't elicit some "behaviors", but in the long run, will it help me establish some kind of program at home without the competition of Kermit and Fozzie to contend with?

----- Original Message -----

From: ziahsmomma

Sent: 5/22/2006 8:10:26 AM

Subject: [ ] New To Area - Again!

Hi NorthEast Cleveland, I have returned to Ohio after being in NY for 8 years. While in NY had my children. My oldest son (6) is autistic. I'd love to make a few connects, tap some local resources and hear from anyone. I'm in the twinsburg area, I homeschool my son for many MANY reasons, one because it's what is best for him. He gets me unlimited, all the time but especially because he's medically fragile.. Hope to hear from some of you. Kim

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Not trying to read too much into it but when you say he stips down

and then plays with his toys, is he dressed in his after school

clothes or in his birthday suit? First and foremost I would try and

make playing with his toys contingent on being dressed if that's the

case. Our children are stigmatized enough, IMHO, and anything we

can do to lessen that is in our best interest.

One thing we can be sure of is if your child has access to FAO

Shwartz all the time you won't be able to use anything to your

advantage due to satiation or the concept of I can just have that

latter. In ABA there are things called 'setting

events', 'establishing operations', or 'motivating operations'

depending on the decade or the author. All this fancy talk really

means is doing things to establish the effectiveness of something.

Example, a man crawling through the dessert wants water more than

someone who just got done with Thanksgiving dinner. The setting

events, i.e. the dessert or being full with dinner set up how well

something will work for you, i.e the glass or water. Maybe putting

some of his toys away for certain times will increase your ability

to use them as a reinforcer for contingent behavior. Or even

putting them up high so he has to use rich language to get them.

--- In , " rmaher1969@... " <rmaher1969@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Today I began to get ready for our summer and our new

adventure. I have decided to use many of the wonderful resources

that you all have provided to help get me started. I was wondering,

my son has a bedroom that rivals FAO Shwartz (HUGE toystore in

Manhattan). His daily routine when he comes home from school is to

strip down all of his clothes and then he retrieves whatever toys

that strike his fancy for that moment and he will then play with

them. One of his favorites is his muppet characters. He will then

request a muppet video and he will reinact scenes from the videos.

Often I am required to play along (NEVER TOUCH his dolls though) I

am required to say a corresponding line from the script or to just

watch and comment. He seeks my comments like " Yes, I see

Kermit is dancing! " I have always let him do this partly b/c I feel

like it's his " down time " after school and partly b/c he is being

imaginative and is seeking me out for attention.

>

> Should all his various " sets " of stimmy toys go away for a while

so that I can engage him? When he has his toys, it's on HIS terms.

Perhaps getting rid of them will force him to become engaged in what

I want to do with him. Beleive me, I'm not dumb enough to think

that this won't elicit some " behaviors " , but in the long run, will

it help me establish some kind of program at home without the

competition of Kermit and Fozzie to contend with?

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: ziahsmomma

>

> Sent: 5/22/2006 8:10:26 AM

> Subject: [ ] New To Area - Again!

>

>

> Hi NorthEast Cleveland, I have returned to Ohio after being in NY

for

> 8 years. While in NY had my children. My oldest son (6) is

autistic.

> I'd love to make a few connects, tap some local resources and hear

from

> anyone. I'm in the twinsburg area, I homeschool my son for many

MANY

> reasons, one because it's what is best for him. He gets me

unlimited,

> all the time but especially because he's medically fragile.. Hope

to

> hear from some of you. Kim

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *note:

> When Adding to your email address book, don't forget to

include the s in groups. Here is the complete address:

> ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

> is a networking and support group

> of " Parent to Parent for Autism " .

> Website: http://hometown.aol.com/parentschat/homepage.html

>

>

>

>

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<<Not trying to read too much into it but when you say he stips down and then plays with his toys, is he dressed in his after school clothes or in his birthday suit? First and foremost I would try and make playing with his toys contingent on being dressed if that's the case. Our children are stigmatized enough, IMHO, and anything we can do to lessen that is in our best interest.>>

LOL...well, sometimes in his underwear, other times naked.

Thanks, you reinforced what I suspected. Most of the toys are going away and I'll keep some around for motivation.

As for the stripping, I agree with you that our kids are stigamtized, but I think it's a matter of familiail customs. I know there are some people who would consider nakedness as inappropriate. Our family is surely lacking in modesty. knows when he must be clothed, when we are out (obviously) and when we have company. He will RUN to get dressed if the doorbell rings. The thing is, our NT son also parades around in his underwear, so I don't see as being an autistic thing as being that we are just hillbillies! ROFL!!

----- Original Message -----

From: smdscott141

Sent: 5/22/2006 11:05:45 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Questions for my program

Not trying to read too much into it but when you say he stips down and then plays with his toys, is he dressed in his after school clothes or in his birthday suit? First and foremost I would try and make playing with his toys contingent on being dressed if that's the case. Our children are stigmatized enough, IMHO, and anything we can do to lessen that is in our best interest. One thing we can be sure of is if your child has access to FAO Shwartz all the time you won't be able to use anything to your advantage due to satiation or the concept of I can just have that latter. In ABA there are things called 'setting events', 'establishing operations', or 'motivating operations' depending on the decade or the author. All this fancy talk really means is doing things to establish the effectiveness of something. Example, a man crawling through the dessert wants water more than someone who just got done with Thanksgiving dinner. The setting events, i.e. the dessert or being full with dinner set up how well something will work for you, i.e the glass or water. Maybe putting some of his toys away for certain times will increase your ability to use them as a reinforcer for contingent behavior. Or even putting them up high so he has to use rich language to get them. >> Dear Group,> > Today I began to get ready for our summer and our new adventure. I have decided to use many of the wonderful resources that you all have provided to help get me started. I was wondering, my son has a bedroom that rivals FAO Shwartz (HUGE toystore in Manhattan). His daily routine when he comes home from school is to strip down all of his clothes and then he retrieves whatever toys that strike his fancy for that moment and he will then play with them. One of his favorites is his muppet characters. He will then request a muppet video and he will reinact scenes from the videos. Often I am required to play along (NEVER TOUCH his dolls though) I am required to say a corresponding line from the script or to just watch and comment. He seeks my comments like "Yes, I see Kermit is dancing!" I have always let him do this partly b/c I feel like it's his "down time" after school and partly b/c he is being imaginative and is seeking me out for attention. > > Should all his various "sets" of stimmy toys go away for a while so that I can engage him? When he has his toys, it's on HIS terms. Perhaps getting rid of them will force him to become engaged in what I want to do with him. Beleive me, I'm not dumb enough to think that this won't elicit some "behaviors", but in the long run, will it help me establish some kind of program at home without the competition of Kermit and Fozzie to contend with?> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ziahsmomma > > Sent: 5/22/2006 8:10:26 AM > Subject: [ ] New To Area - Again!> > > Hi NorthEast Cleveland, I have returned to Ohio after being in NY for > 8 years. While in NY had my children. My oldest son (6) is autistic. > I'd love to make a few connects, tap some local resources and hear from > anyone. I'm in the twinsburg area, I homeschool my son for many MANY > reasons, one because it's what is best for him. He gets me unlimited, > all the time but especially because he's medically fragile.. Hope to > hear from some of you. Kim> > > > > > > *note:> When Adding to your email address book, don't forget to include the s in groups. Here is the complete address: > ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~> is a networking and support group> of "Parent to Parent for Autism".> Website: http://hometown.aol.com/parentschat/homepage.html > > > >

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Good deal...sounds like you have everything well in hand. My son,

daughter and I are also sometimes clothing challenged and hang out

in our pajamas (read underwear) and at least I know to run and get

dressed when the doorbell rings.

As for the toys you might want to make them disappear a

few/handful at a time as to not create culture shock. I love to

spoil my kids and when I find a toy my son is interested I'm getting

it, but what a great tool to have in our arsenal if we can use it to

teach as well as have fun...lots of luck...

Shane

SMD@...

> >

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > Today I began to get ready for our summer and our new

> adventure. I have decided to use many of the wonderful resources

> that you all have provided to help get me started. I was

wondering,

> my son has a bedroom that rivals FAO Shwartz (HUGE toystore in

> Manhattan). His daily routine when he comes home from school is

to

> strip down all of his clothes and then he retrieves whatever toys

> that strike his fancy for that moment and he will then play with

> them. One of his favorites is his muppet characters. He will

then

> request a muppet video and he will reinact scenes from the

videos.

> Often I am required to play along (NEVER TOUCH his dolls though)

I

> am required to say a corresponding line from the script or to just

> watch and comment. He seeks my comments like " Yes, I see

> Kermit is dancing! " I have always let him do this partly b/c I

feel

> like it's his " down time " after school and partly b/c he is being

> imaginative and is seeking me out for attention.

> >

> > Should all his various " sets " of stimmy toys go away for a while

> so that I can engage him? When he has his toys, it's on HIS

terms.

> Perhaps getting rid of them will force him to become engaged in

what

> I want to do with him. Beleive me, I'm not dumb enough to think

> that this won't elicit some " behaviors " , but in the long run, will

> it help me establish some kind of program at home without the

> competition of Kermit and Fozzie to contend with?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: ziahsmomma

> >

> > Sent: 5/22/2006 8:10:26 AM

> > Subject: [ ] New To Area - Again!

> >

> >

> > Hi NorthEast Cleveland, I have returned to Ohio after being in

NY

> for

> > 8 years. While in NY had my children. My oldest son (6) is

> autistic.

> > I'd love to make a few connects, tap some local resources and

hear

> from

> > anyone. I'm in the twinsburg area, I homeschool my son for many

> MANY

> > reasons, one because it's what is best for him. He gets me

> unlimited,

> > all the time but especially because he's medically fragile..

Hope

> to

> > hear from some of you. Kim

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *note:

> > When Adding to your email address book, don't forget to

> include the s in groups. Here is the complete address:

>

> > ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

> > is a networking and support group

> > of " Parent to Parent for Autism " .

> > Website: http://hometown.aol.com/parentschat/homepage.html

> >

> >

> >

> >

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<<It is funny also because my ds is a stripper as well. We did finally get him to wear his undies. But at home, he is in his undies all the time. And he's 9! Getting him to wear clothes in the world outside our house took many hours of work on my part. I feel more successful now at home because he does realize, if someone comes over, he has to run and get dressed. But I have been unable to have him stay dressed (laziness on my part, I'm sure.)>>

I believe that home is a comfort zone. When I get home at the end of a long day the first thing I do is take off my bra! LOL.

It took forever for to get the idea that you bathe naked, you swim in a bathing suit. He still can't stand to stay in a wet suit and he must change into dry clothes as soon as he is done swimming. But he finally has the concept of being embarrassed. I told you about how he was embarrassed when I caught him peeking up Miss Piggy's dress! I realized, that was the day my niece was here and she wet her pants (she's two) she stripped naked and saw her. He seemed puzzled. I think he thought everyone had "Male plumbing" and when he saw her, the lightbulb lit up! There's a differnce between boys and girls!?!

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From:

Sent: 5/22/2006 11:20:26 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Questions for my program

In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:07:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, SMD@... writes:

Not trying to read too much into it but when you say he stips down and then plays with his toys, is he dressed in his after school clothes or in his birthday suit? First and foremost I would try and make playing with his toys contingent on being dressed if that's the case. Our children are stigmatized enough, IMHO, and anything we can do to lessen that is in our best interest.

ITA! It is funny also because my ds is a stripper as well. We did finally get him to wear his undies. But at home, he is in his undies all the time. And he's 9! Getting him to wear clothes in the world outside our house took many hours of work on my part. I feel more successful now at home because he does realize, if someone comes over, he has to run and get dressed. But I have been unable to have him stay dressed (laziness on my part, I'm sure.)

<<One thing we can be sure of is if your child has access to FAO Shwartz all the time you won't be able to use anything to your advantage due to satiation or the concept of I can just have that latter. In ABA there are things called 'setting events', 'establishing operations', or 'motivating operations' depending on the decade or the author. All this fancy talk really means is doing things to establish the effectiveness of something. Example, a man crawling through the dessert wants water more than someone who just got done with Thanksgiving dinner. The setting events, i.e. the dessert or being full with dinner set up how well something will work for you, i.e the glass or water. Maybe putting some of his toys away for certain times will increase your ability to use them as a reinforcer for contingent behavior. Or even putting them up high so he has to use rich language to get them.>>

Yes, and also you can use the toys during ABA as his motivation. If the guy I work with is stimming on a toy, I end up taking it with me into his ABA session and he can work for it. For instance, every time he says what I want, he gets to push a button or put a ball on the track or add a star to the pyramid we are making. This works really well. And he has fun too. And the parents took all the toys he stims over away so he would really want them to establish motivation.

Roxanna ô¿öAutism Happens

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Isn't it great how we can find so much joy in what others find as

ordinary or even embarrassing.

When my son actually sticks up for himself and refuses to let

his sister take a toy from him I want to scream for joy and jump up

and down (actually I do scream and jump up and down). Others

parents would probably look at me like I'm crazy b/c at the same

time they're trying to teach there kid to share.

The fact he got embarrassed and figured out the 'plumbing'

thing is great. We have to always glean joy out of the little

things as well as the big.

--- In , " rmaher1969@... " <rmaher1969@...>

wrote:

>

> <<It is funny also because my ds is a stripper as well. We did

finally get him to wear his undies. But at home, he is in his

undies all the time. And he's 9! Getting him to wear clothes in

the world outside our house took many hours of work on my part. I

feel more successful now at home because he does realize, if someone

comes over, he has to run and get dressed. But I have been unable

to have him stay dressed (laziness on my part, I'm sure.)>>

>

> I believe that home is a comfort zone. When I get home at the

end of a long day the first thing I do is take off my bra! LOL.

> It took forever for to get the idea that you bathe naked, you

swim in a bathing suit. He still can't stand to stay in a wet suit

and he must change into dry clothes as soon as he is done swimming.

But he finally has the concept of being embarrassed. I told you

about how he was embarrassed when I caught him peeking up Miss

Piggy's dress! I realized, that was the day my niece was here and

she wet her pants (she's two) she stripped naked and saw her.

He seemed puzzled. I think he thought everyone had " Male plumbing "

and when he saw her, the lightbulb lit up! There's a differnce

between boys and girls!?!

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From:

>

> Sent: 5/22/2006 11:20:26 AM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Questions for my program

>

>

> In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:07:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,

SMD@... writes:

> Not trying to read too much into it but when you say he stips down

> and then plays with his toys, is he dressed in his after school

> clothes or in his birthday suit? First and foremost I would try

and

> make playing with his toys contingent on being dressed if that's

the

> case. Our children are stigmatized enough, IMHO, and anything we

> can do to lessen that is in our best interest.

>

> ITA! It is funny also because my ds is a stripper as well. We

did finally get him to wear his undies. But at home, he is in his

undies all the time. And he's 9! Getting him to wear clothes in

the world outside our house took many hours of work on my part. I

feel more successful now at home because he does realize, if someone

comes over, he has to run and get dressed. But I have been unable

to have him stay dressed (laziness on my part, I'm sure.)

>

> <<One thing we can be sure of is if your child has access to FAO

> Shwartz all the time you won't be able to use anything to your

> advantage due to satiation or the concept of I can just have that

> latter. In ABA there are things called 'setting

> events', 'establishing operations', or 'motivating operations'

> depending on the decade or the author. All this fancy talk really

> means is doing things to establish the effectiveness of

something.

> Example, a man crawling through the dessert wants water more than

> someone who just got done with Thanksgiving dinner. The setting

> events, i.e. the dessert or being full with dinner set up how well

> something will work for you, i.e the glass or water. Maybe

putting

> some of his toys away for certain times will increase your ability

> to use them as a reinforcer for contingent behavior. Or even

> putting them up high so he has to use rich language to get them.

> >>

>

> Yes, and also you can use the toys during ABA as his motivation.

If the guy I work with is stimming on a toy, I end up taking it with

me into his ABA session and he can work for it. For instance, every

time he says what I want, he gets to push a button or put a ball on

the track or add a star to the pyramid we are making. This works

really well. And he has fun too. And the parents took all the toys

he stims over away so he would really want them to establish

motivation.

>

> Roxanna ô¿ö

> Autism Happens

>

>

> *note:

> When Adding to your email address book, don't forget to

include the s in groups. Here is the complete address:

> ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

> is a networking and support group

> of " Parent to Parent for Autism " .

> Website: http://hometown.aol.com/parentschat/homepage.html

>

>

>

>