Re: Fwd: Mand Training June 24

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In a message dated 5/21/2006 10:29:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, ddkadansky9901@... writes:

We have a son, 6, who is one the spectrum. We started ABA 2 and a half years ago and changed to Verbal Behavior summer of 2004. This has made a huge difference in his verbal skills. Along with VB, our son is GF/CF/SF and also corn, rice and potato free. I know...what does this kid eat...? Long story. We also started biomecial March of 2004. January 2006 we started utilizing the Autism Scholarship.

Hi Debbie,

I just joined two VBA groups. Can you explain to me the difference between ABA and VBA? I want to learn more about verbal behavior as the little guy I work with, while he can talk, doesn't. So I was wondering what else we can do to improve that.

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In a message dated 5/21/2006 1:52:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ddkadansky9901@... writes:

I guess the best way to descibe VB vs. ABA, is in VB you teach "errorlessly" (is this a word?). You never give the child a chance to get a answer wrong and you do not use the word "NO"... instead of waiting for the child to answer a question or telling them "NO, try again"...and then giving it to them you simply prompt if they do not answer you immediately...there is much more to this, but that is the easiest way for me to explain it.

Is that the difference? I think I do this anyway. I've been teaching my friend how to say "yes" and "no" to questions and I have found the best way to do it is to give him the answer before he comes up with one on his own. Otherwise, we get sidetracked about what he answered being wrong instead of teaching him what I want him TO answer. Hope that made some sense. Anyway, I do think I am starting to get him to "get" it today and feel it is working.

<< Thank you for posting the link to the DAFEAT workshop...I am not very good on the computer...LOL.

You should try and come to our workshop. The presenters Amber and have both attended the Carbone workshop and are WONDERFUL!!!!!!!>>

No problem. I would really like to go to something like this. The only thing holding me back is the long drive. I am up here in Medina. Do we have a FEAT anywhere up this way or just yours?

Roxanna ô¿öAutism Happens

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... Thank you for your interest. go to our website www.dafeat.org and I am not sure where the registration for is located, usually under workshops. Sorry I cannot be of more help with registration, I am a dork on the computer. The 1 time membershiop fee ( 1 time meaning 1 year is only $36 and the rest of your workshops with DAFEAT for 1 year will be FREE! Debbie "rmaher1969@..." <rmaher1969@...> wrote: Debbie, Yes, I am interested. I have wanted to attend a Carbone worshop, but could not afford it. I am not a member as I live in Trumbull County. How do I register and

what is the cost involved? I have started an organization locally and I would also be interested in having a FEAT locally. There is virtually no aba/vb services available in this area and there are many families interested in these services. ----- Original Message ----- From: Deborah Kadansky Sent: 5/21/2006 10:28:14 AM Subject: [ ]

Fwd: Mand Training June 24 Hello. My name is Debbie Kadansky and I live in a suburb of Dayton called Bellbrook. I just recently joined your group. The reason for joining is I grew up in Cuyahoga County in Olmsted Falls. I still have family there and we visit as often as possible given our families crazy schedule. We have a son, 6, who is one the spectrum. We started ABA 2 and a half years ago and changed to Verbal Behavior summer of 2004. This has made a huge difference in his verbal skills. Along with VB, our son is GF/CF/SF and also corn, rice and potato free. I know...what does this kid eat...? Long story. We also started biomecial March of 2004. January 2006 we started utilizing the Autism Scholarship. The reason for my post is to introduce myself and to

pass along a workshop opportunity here in Dayton. I belong and am very active in our local FEAT group, and thought maybe someone would be interested. Please feel free to email me privatley if you ahve any questions. Thank you Debbie Kadansky Note: forwarded message attached. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

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Roxanna, I guess the best way to descibe VB vs. ABA, is in VB you teach "errorlessly" (is this a word?). You never give the child a chance to get a answer wrong and you do not use the word "NO"... instead of waiting for the child to answer a question or telling them "NO, try again"...and then giving it to them you simply prompt if they do not answer you immediately...there is much more to this, but that is the easiest way for me to explain it. Thank you for posting the link to the DAFEAT workshop...I am not very good on the computer...LOL. You should try and come to our workshop. The presenters Amber and have both attended the Carbone workshop and are WONDERFUL!!!!!!! Debbiekneeleee@... wrote: In a message dated 5/21/2006 10:29:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, ddkadansky9901@... writes: We have a son, 6, who is one the spectrum. We started ABA 2 and a half years ago and changed to Verbal Behavior summer of 2004. This has made a huge difference in his verbal skills. Along with VB, our son is GF/CF/SF and also corn, rice and potato free. I know...what does this kid eat...? Long story. We also started biomecial March of 2004. January 2006 we started utilizing the Autism Scholarship. Hi Debbie, I just joined two

VBA groups. Can you explain to me the difference between ABA and VBA? I want to learn more about verbal behavior as the little guy I work with, while he can talk, doesn't. So I was wondering what else we can do to improve that. Roxanna ô¿öAutism Happens

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Let's be very care here. This is how people become " campy "

or " campish " . Misinformation hurts everyone. Errorless learning

does NOT fall under the domain of either ABA or VB. Errorless

learning is another 'learning principle' that is used by practioners

of ABA which VB is a part of. The major difference is how they

break up language. Mands, tacts and intraverbals vs. expressive and

receptive language. Some ABA practicioners use VB termenology, some

use the expressive/receptive termonology. This paradigm difference

causes differnces in the progression of the program. Both the

Cleveland Clinic and the Columbus Children's Hospitals ABA program

which do not use VB use an errorless learning program.

> In a message dated 5/21/2006 10:29:06 AM Eastern Standard

Time, ddkadansky9901@... writes:

> We have a son, 6, who is one the spectrum. We started ABA 2

and a half years ago and changed to Verbal Behavior summer of 2004.

This has made a huge difference in his verbal skills. Along with

VB, our son is GF/CF/SF and also corn, rice and potato free. I

know...what does this kid eat...? Long story. We also started

biomecial March of 2004. January 2006 we started utilizing the

Autism Scholarship.

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> Hi Debbie,

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> I just joined two VBA groups. Can you explain to me the

difference between ABA and VBA? I want to learn more about verbal

behavior as the little guy I work with, while he can talk, doesn't.

So I was wondering what else we can do to improve that.

> Roxanna ô¿ö

> Autism Happens

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