Re: Yikes, Phil! Explanation still needed........

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Cindee:

Basicly what they are saying is that the low tones he

may have trouble with. Even thought it varies from

person to person the low tones are the ones tht

generally one of the ones that are affected. In my

case it was the hight and low tones, the mid tones are

the best of them. In some cases a digital hearing aid

correct this.

tom hansen

--- Cindee <grammas2boys@...> wrote:

> I did go to the sites you gave me but Stevie's

> audiologist confused

> me even more! He is saying that Stevie suffers from

> a hearing loss

> to low noise levels. His chart, in front of me,

> shows the X mark

> (left ear) steadily dropping downwards from the 2000

> HZ level ending

> at 35 at the 8000 HZ level. Wouldn't that mean that

> it's more

> difficult to hear higher pitches or am I still

> confused?

>

> Better way to explain it? X's are pretty much at

> the 20 line going

> across to the 2000 Hz area, then it drops to 25 at

> the 4000 Hz and 35

> at the 8000 Hz. Hope that explains it......

>

> His right ear on the other hand reads at the 10 line

> mark across

> until the 2000 Hz goes to 5 at the 4000 Hz and back

> down to 10 at

> 8000Hz.

>

> Reminder: Left ear is the c-toma ear

> Thanks,

> Cindee

>

>

> > Hi Cindee

> >

> > A hole i an eardrum will dullen and diminsh sound

> but mostly it's

> the loss of some or all of the middle ear bones that

> cause serious

> conductive deafness.

> >

> > Hearing loss given as a percentage isn't very

> meaningful. What

> usually happens is that people take a decibel figure

> and call it a

> percent - which It isn't, of course. If an

> audiologist tells you that

> your hearing loss is x%... well, they really

> shouldn't do that. This

> article will explain why:

> >

> >

> http://www.hearinglosshelp.com/decibelsvspercent.htm

> >

> > In an audiogram the left ear is shown X symbols

> and the right O's.

> If there is a line with [ symbols, it refers to

> bone conduction

> hearing , Low frequencies are on the left of the

> chart and high ones

> on the right. Quiet is at the top of the chart and

> loudness at the

> bottom. Most people with hearing loss have a chart

> that shows the

> hearing level down slightly in the low frequencies,

> rising slightly

> in the middle and then dipping sharply in the high

> frequencies. So a

> hearing loss figure is usually given as the best

> decibel reading in

> the middle frequencies. It's a little misleading

> because we are

> always have a different level of deafness at

> different frequency

> ranges. Taht makes it complicated and it's usually

> more meaningful

> just to refer to deafness in terms of mild or

> moderate etc.

> >

> > 30 to 40db loss is considered mild, 50 to 60

> moderate and 70 to 90

> is severe and above that is profound. Here's a

> useful site that shows

> you how to read an audiogram:

> >

> > http://www.earinfo.com/howread1.html

> >

> > Phil

> > How much hearing can expect to be lost if the

> eardrum is

> removed?

> > Many replied to explain this " window " my doctor

> intented to keep

> open

> > to monitor the ear post op. If it is the

> eardrum, considering

> > Stevie's grew back in 03, he may decide to keep

> a larger portion

> > open. Also, how can you tell the actually

> percentage of hearing

> loss

> > from the audiogram? People talk about 35%, 40%

> etc.....and I am

> not

> > sure if they are told this information or got it

> from the

> audiologic

> > evaluation sheet. I have a copy of Stevie's but

> need help

> > understanding it!

> > **I could also be wrong and the " window " could

> be the canal wall

> down

> > procedure but just curious! Thanks! Sorry for

> all the questions!

> >

> > Cindee

> >

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HI Cindee

I think I may be about to confuse you a little bit further, not least because my reading of your descroption is the opposite of what Tom just said. The chart you describe drops towards the high frequencies which is really what you would expect. I think that when the audiologist referred to low noise levels he was meaning low volume, not low tones as opposed to high ones. It might mean that if someone who was softly spoken with high voice were speaking on your bad ear side, then you would miss more of what they are saying than if they had a deep voice. For instance, women and children are usually a little more difficult to hear than men - a telephone ring which was set at low volume would be harder to detect.

Stevie's hearing at moment is what you call mild high tone loss. It isn't that bad that it would cause any real impediment, especially since his good right ear has excellent hearing. If your hearing is down a little (or even a lot) on one side, then you adjust instinctively by rurning and focussing your good ear in the direction of a sound.

Phil

Yikes, Phil! Explanation still needed........

I did go to the sites you gave me but Stevie's audiologist confused me even more! He is saying that Stevie suffers from a hearing loss to low noise levels. His chart, in front of me, shows the X mark(left ear) steadily dropping downwards from the 2000 HZ level ending at 35 at the 8000 HZ level. Wouldn't that mean that it's more difficult to hear higher pitches or am I still confused? Better way to explain it? X's are pretty much at the 20 line going across to the 2000 Hz area, then it drops to 25 at the 4000 Hz and 35 at the 8000 Hz. Hope that explains it...... His right ear on the other hand reads at the 10 line mark across until the 2000 Hz goes to 5 at the 4000 Hz and back down to 10 at 8000Hz. Reminder: Left ear is the c-toma earThanks,Cindee > Hi Cindee> > A hole i an eardrum will dullen and diminsh sound but mostly it's the loss of some or all of the middle ear bones that cause serious conductive deafness.> > Hearing loss given as a percentage isn't very meaningful. What usually happens is that people take a decibel figure and call it a percent - which It isn't, of course. If an audiologist tells you that your hearing loss is x%... well, they really shouldn't do that. This article will explain why:> > http://www.hearinglosshelp.com/decibelsvspercent.htm> > In an audiogram the left ear is shown X symbols and the right O's. If there is a line with [ symbols, it refers to bone conduction hearing , Low frequencies are on the left of the chart and high ones on the right. Quiet is at the top of the chart and loudness at the bottom. Most people with hearing loss have a chart that shows the hearing level down slightly in the low frequencies, rising slightly in the middle and then dipping sharply in the high frequencies. So a hearing loss figure is usually given as the best decibel reading in the middle frequencies. It's a little misleading because we are always have a different level of deafness at different frequency ranges. Taht makes it complicated and it's usually more meaningful just to refer to deafness in terms of mild or moderate etc. > > 30 to 40db loss is considered mild, 50 to 60 moderate and 70 to 90 is severe and above that is profound. Here's a useful site that shows you how to read an audiogram:> > http://www.earinfo.com/howread1.html> > Phil> How much hearing can expect to be lost if the eardrum is removed? > Many replied to explain this "window" my doctor intented to keep open > to monitor the ear post op. If it is the eardrum, considering > Stevie's grew back in 03, he may decide to keep a larger portion > open. Also, how can you tell the actually percentage of hearing loss > from the audiogram? People talk about 35%, 40% etc.....and I am not > sure if they are told this information or got it from the audiologic > evaluation sheet. I have a copy of Stevie's but need help > understanding it! > **I could also be wrong and the "window" could be the canal wall down > procedure but just curious! Thanks! Sorry for all the questions!> > Cindee> > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05/07/04

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The big factor is that it realy varies from person to

person on the type of hearing loss. Thats one that

even the best of Doc's can't predict, the best that

they tell folks expect some type of loss. You would

have a better chance predicting the weather....

tom hansen

--- Phil <psmorris@...> wrote:

> HI Cindee

>

> I think I may be about to confuse you a little bit

> further, not least because my reading of your

> descroption is the opposite of what Tom just said.

> The chart you describe drops towards the high

> frequencies which is really what you would expect. I

> think that when the audiologist referred to low

> noise levels he was meaning low volume, not low

> tones as opposed to high ones. It might mean that if

> someone who was softly spoken with high voice were

> speaking on your bad ear side, then you would miss

> more of what they are saying than if they had a deep

> voice. For instance, women and children are usually

> a little more difficult to hear than men - a

> telephone ring which was set at low volume would be

> harder to detect.

>

> Stevie's hearing at moment is what you call mild

> high tone loss. It isn't that bad that it would

> cause any real impediment, especially since his good

> right ear has excellent hearing. If your hearing is

> down a little (or even a lot) on one side, then you

> adjust instinctively by rurning and focussing your

> good ear in the direction of a sound.

>

> Phil

>

> Yikes, Phil! Explanation

> still needed........

>

>

> I did go to the sites you gave me but Stevie's

> audiologist confused

> me even more! He is saying that Stevie suffers

> from a hearing loss

> to low noise levels. His chart, in front of me,

> shows the X mark

> (left ear) steadily dropping downwards from the

> 2000 HZ level ending

> at 35 at the 8000 HZ level. Wouldn't that mean

> that it's more

> difficult to hear higher pitches or am I still

> confused?

>

> Better way to explain it? X's are pretty much at

> the 20 line going

> across to the 2000 Hz area, then it drops to 25 at

> the 4000 Hz and 35

> at the 8000 Hz. Hope that explains it......

>

> His right ear on the other hand reads at the 10

> line mark across

> until the 2000 Hz goes to 5 at the 4000 Hz and

> back down to 10 at

> 8000Hz.

>

> Reminder: Left ear is the c-toma ear

> Thanks,

> Cindee

>

>

> > Hi Cindee

> >

> > A hole i an eardrum will dullen and diminsh

> sound but mostly it's

> the loss of some or all of the middle ear bones

> that cause serious

> conductive deafness.

> >

> > Hearing loss given as a percentage isn't very

> meaningful. What

> usually happens is that people take a decibel

> figure and call it a

> percent - which It isn't, of course. If an

> audiologist tells you that

> your hearing loss is x%... well, they really

> shouldn't do that. This

> article will explain why:

> >

> >

> http://www.hearinglosshelp.com/decibelsvspercent.htm

> >

> > In an audiogram the left ear is shown X symbols

> and the right O's.

> If there is a line with [ symbols, it refers to

> bone conduction

> hearing , Low frequencies are on the left of the

> chart and high ones

> on the right. Quiet is at the top of the chart and

> loudness at the

> bottom. Most people with hearing loss have a chart

> that shows the

> hearing level down slightly in the low

> frequencies, rising slightly

> in the middle and then dipping sharply in the high

> frequencies. So a

> hearing loss figure is usually given as the best

> decibel reading in

> the middle frequencies. It's a little misleading

> because we are

> always have a different level of deafness at

> different frequency

> ranges. Taht makes it complicated and it's

> usually more meaningful

> just to refer to deafness in terms of mild or

> moderate etc.

> >

> > 30 to 40db loss is considered mild, 50 to 60

> moderate and 70 to 90

> is severe and above that is profound. Here's a

> useful site that shows

> you how to read an audiogram:

> >

> > http://www.earinfo.com/howread1.html

> >

> > Phil

> > How much hearing can expect to be lost if the

> eardrum is

> removed?

> > Many replied to explain this " window " my

> doctor intented to keep

> open

> > to monitor the ear post op. If it is the

> eardrum, considering

> > Stevie's grew back in 03, he may decide to

> keep a larger portion

> > open. Also, how can you tell the actually

> percentage of hearing

> loss

> > from the audiogram? People talk about 35%,

> 40% etc.....and I am

> not

> > sure if they are told this information or got

> it from the

> audiologic

> > evaluation sheet. I have a copy of Stevie's

> but need help

> > understanding it!

> > **I could also be wrong and the " window " could

> be the canal wall

> down

> > procedure but just curious! Thanks! Sorry

> for all the questions!

> >

> > Cindee

> >

> >

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