Guest guest Posted September 22, 2000 Report Share Posted September 22, 2000 Dear Jim, You are correct. Thickening of the blood often indicates the formation of " rouleaux " or pile-of-coins, where the red blood cells line up and stick to one another. Since the smallest capillaries are three microns and the ordinary red blood cell is 7 microns, they have to contort to get down to the furthest extremities. They can't do this if they are stuck to their neighbor. Methylene blue will often cause the red blood cells to separate. It is contraindicated for glaucoma and people with G-6-PD deficiency and renal failure. It may interfere with some drugs, but I haven't found a source that tells me which ones yet. Taken orally, it is very safe, and has an antiseptic capability as well. There is a US patent granted to a doctor in November 1996 for use of methylene blue to eliminate HIV in stored blood. Long term use of Warfarin, heparin, coumadin and the like will cause kidney disintegration. My father-in-law died of that 9 years ago. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein Re: Vitamin K and Blood Thinners > > , > > Is the need for blood thinners just a statement that the body has a lot > of carbon monoxide in their hemoglobin due to hypoxia & fermentation? If > I was in that condition I would take methylene blue, a good source of > iron & some homozon to see if that would prevent the blood thickening. > Warfarin can't be the right answer! > > If on medicines, check to make sure methylene blue isn't > contraindicated. I don't know much about it but I believe it is safe. > > jim > > jackson wrote: > > > > > This idea reminds me of my ex-mother-in-law. Her doctor gave her a > > > warning with a new medicine: she must not eat any green leafy > > > vegetables! > > > > > > > This sounds like the use of blood thinners like warfarin > > contraindicating too much vitamin K. There is a chart on this site of > > the vitamin K content of foods: http://www.dietitian.com/vitamink.html > > > ----- > For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is > always wrong -- H.L. Mencken > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > http://www.entrance.to/poetry > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2000 Report Share Posted September 22, 2000 Dear , My choice would be flax oil, instead. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein Re: Blood Thinners > > Saul, > Will Methylene Blue also help relieve hypertension? > > > Dear Jim, > > > > You are correct. Thickening of the blood often indicates the formation > > of " rouleaux " or pile-of-coins, where the red blood cells line up and > > stick to one another. Since the smallest capillaries are three microns > > and the ordinary red blood cell is 7 microns, they have to contort to > > get down to the furthest extremities. They can't do this if they are > > stuck to their neighbor. > > > > Methylene blue will often cause the red blood cells to separate. It is > > contraindicated for glaucoma and people with G-6-PD deficiency and > > renal failure. It may interfere with some drugs, but I haven't found a > > source that tells me which ones yet. > > > > Taken orally, it is very safe, and has an antiseptic capability as > > well. There is a US patent granted to a doctor in November 1996 for > > use of methylene blue to eliminate HIV in stored blood. > > > > Long term use of Warfarin, heparin, coumadin and the like will cause > > kidney disintegration. My father-in-law died of that 9 years ago. > > > > Best of Health! > > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh > > > > URL: http://www.plasmafire.com > > email: saul@... > > > > " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that > > created them " . - Einstein > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2000 Report Share Posted September 22, 2000 Saul, Will Methylene Blue also help relieve hypertension? > Dear Jim, > > You are correct. Thickening of the blood often indicates the formation > of " rouleaux " or pile-of-coins, where the red blood cells line up and > stick to one another. Since the smallest capillaries are three microns > and the ordinary red blood cell is 7 microns, they have to contort to > get down to the furthest extremities. They can't do this if they are > stuck to their neighbor. > > Methylene blue will often cause the red blood cells to separate. It is > contraindicated for glaucoma and people with G-6-PD deficiency and > renal failure. It may interfere with some drugs, but I haven't found a > source that tells me which ones yet. > > Taken orally, it is very safe, and has an antiseptic capability as > well. There is a US patent granted to a doctor in November 1996 for > use of methylene blue to eliminate HIV in stored blood. > > Long term use of Warfarin, heparin, coumadin and the like will cause > kidney disintegration. My father-in-law died of that 9 years ago. > > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh > > URL: http://www.plasmafire.com > email: saul@... > > " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that > created them " . - Einstein > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 You can take it orally as well (Heparin) I took 600 shots. Then changed to Coumadin. Was told by physician that someone does an oral sublingual type. Search this list fot the place. Was posted here. No need for shots. Those $600 were very, very well spent. > In a message dated 11/27/02 3:42:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > @y... writes: > > > > I have a coagulation problem. There are many different kinds. Mine started > > with bruises. My problem is my blood is too thick so I have to take a blood > > thinner (Coumadin). I was told that how thick or thin your blood is does > > make a difference in things. I was having pain near my heart and another > > patient told me that she had that problem too when her blood was too thick! > > Also, I've heard that blood pressure can be involved with CFIDS. I get my > > blood tested every 1-2 weeks for the thickness/thinness level. The test is > > called a Protime. I think you are on the right tract. > > > > Teena > > > > Hello Teena or anyone else. I know some swear by heparin and I think I > remember one guy in the last week said he could tell his brain fog majorly > subsided after the very first injection. Ken, the now 110% remitted > moderator also used heparin? Cheney likes the stuff and that is where I > first learned of it--that and so many folks on here doing it. What drove me > away from ever considering it is that it seems like a person needs to do 1-2 > injections every single day and that is after paying for a $600 HEMEX ISAC > panal? What about the above listed Protime that Teena takes? And isn't > coumadin simply the ingredient of tumeric, an herb/spice? I heard there was > a newer form of heparin that was inhalable. Is this correct? I also > remember someone telling me they don't trust heparin b/c you just never know > for sure consequences of putting these unnatural things into the body and for > instance she told me (again, if my memory serves me correctly, which I can > never fully trust) that the inhalable stuff had a recall due to some kind of > problem (toxicity?). Any details on all this would be nice. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 Actually, heparin is a chemical produced by mast cells in the body. So it is a natural chemical, although the drug heparin is probably man-made. I'm not sure if it is the same identical heparin that the body produces, but at the least, I know they have the same name. lindaj@... blood thinners > In a message dated 11/27/02 3:42:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > writes: > > > > I have a coagulation problem. There are many different kinds. Mine started > > with bruises. My problem is my blood is too thick so I have to take a blood > > thinner (Coumadin). I was told that how thick or thin your blood is does > > make a difference in things. I was having pain near my heart and another > > patient told me that she had that problem too when her blood was too thick! > > Also, I've heard that blood pressure can be involved with CFIDS. I get my > > blood tested every 1-2 weeks for the thickness/thinness level. The test is > > called a Protime. I think you are on the right tract. > > > > Teena > > > > Hello Teena or anyone else. I know some swear by heparin and I think I > remember one guy in the last week said he could tell his brain fog majorly > subsided after the very first injection. Ken, the now 110% remitted > moderator also used heparin? Cheney likes the stuff and that is where I > first learned of it--that and so many folks on here doing it. What drove me > away from ever considering it is that it seems like a person needs to do 1-2 > injections every single day and that is after paying for a $600 HEMEX ISAC > panal? What about the above listed Protime that Teena takes? And isn't > coumadin simply the ingredient of tumeric, an herb/spice? I heard there was > a newer form of heparin that was inhalable. Is this correct? I also > remember someone telling me they don't trust heparin b/c you just never know > for sure consequences of putting these unnatural things into the body and for > instance she told me (again, if my memory serves me correctly, which I can > never fully trust) that the inhalable stuff had a recall due to some kind of > problem (toxicity?). Any details on all this would be nice. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 I found a natural blood thinner that I just started taking and I think it makes me feel good: Nattokinase from the soy food Natto. www.allergyresearchgroup.com. Their August newsletter is all about it and has an article about the general issue by Berg of Hemex. > In a message dated 11/28/02 3:45:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, > @y... writes: > > > > You can take it orally as well (Heparin) > > > > I took 600 shots. Then changed to Coumadin. > > Was told by physician that someone does an oral > > sublingual type. > > > > Why'd you change to Coumadin? Where do you get Coumadin? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 , Depending on what your particular issues are, you might also consider bromelain and flax oil. According to Berg of www.hemex.com, if you have an infection that is causing hypercoagulation by ISAC (immune system activation of coagulation), it is very important to go after the infection at the same time that you " thin " your blood, such as with antivirals or transfer factors. If you only " thin " your blood, such as by using nattokinase, you can actually make your situation worse, because this does not shut down the production of fibrin. He presented this at a recent conference. Rich > I have searched the archives on this topic and am still looking for > clearer cases of improvement using natural supplements: has anybody > had clear progress? It also seems hard to find health practitioners > who can really focus on this. I live in the San Francisco bay area. > > What I am going to experiment with: > > Cod liver oil: Premier or Carlson (feels great so far!) > Vitamin E: Unique E > Turmeric > Nattokinase > Homeopathics > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Bromelain (without meals) and gingko also. Thanks, Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Thanks Rich and Doris. It is an interesting idea to go after the infection and thin the blood at the same time. I am taking transfer factor and a homeopathic anti-bacterial. I want to try olive leaf extract. The blood thinners I started taking and results: cod liver oil: more energy turmeric: 1/4 teaspoon each meal, energizing Borage oil: uncertain E, Unique E all with first meal: felt good I have taken Mucor before and liked it but lost focus. Has anybody else used Mucor? I have never found a good bromelian product that is pure. > > I have searched the archives on this topic and am still looking > for > > clearer cases of improvement using natural supplements: has > anybody > > had clear progress? It also seems hard to find health > practitioners > > who can really focus on this. I live in the San Francisco bay area. > > > > What I am going to experiment with: > > > > Cod liver oil: Premier or Carlson (feels great so far!) > > Vitamin E: Unique E > > Turmeric > > Nattokinase > > Homeopathics > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Hi Diane, The injections are really simple and it's a small needle. You just pinch a bit of love handle and jab yourself (someone else can do it for you). It's over before you know it. Good luck with the surgery. Jeff ________________________________ From: nikkismom58 <nikkismom58@...> Joint Replacement Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:51:38 PM Subject: blood thinners many thanks to everyone that has answered my questions, and of course i have another one. my bi-lateral TKR is scheduled for this coming tuesday, and one of the things im afraid of (among others) is the blood thinner injections. can anyone tell me about this? i hate needles especially if it involves sticking myself, i just need to know what to expect. thanks again diane ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 I appreciate all the information - you can never be too informed. Thanks so much. -- Re: blood thinners > > I tried to talk my surgeon into using Lovenox but ended up on > Coumadin. I > ll never take Coumadin again due to the side effects. I ran a low > grade > fever, was constantly fatigued, and mentally out of it. > > My first INR was just 1.4 with a target of 2.0. The MD wanted to > double the > dose! I told him that if the side effects were dose dependent I wasn't > going to be the one to find out and refused to increase the dose. He > relented and told me to keep the 5mg daily dose and add an aspirin a > day. > He still wanted to have blood drawn every 3 - 4 days. I never went > back for > more blood draws. But his nurse kept ordering them and wondering why > she > wasn't getting any results. Duh! > > I finally decided to quit the drug and just take large doses (975mg > 4 - 5 > times/day) of aspirin instead. The day after I quit the Coumadin, > all the > side effects disappeared. The surgeon wasn't a bit pleased with my > decision > but I survived without any blood clots. > > If there's a next time, it's either Lovenox or aspirin. > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > many thanks to everyone that has answered my questions, and of > > > course i have another one. my bi-lateral TKR is scheduled for this > > > coming tuesday, and one of the things im afraid of (among > others) is > > > the blood thinner injections. can anyone tell me about this? i > hate > > > needles especially if it involves sticking myself, i just need to > > > know what to expect. > > > thanks again > > > diane > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 I had asked the question regarding side effects of blood thinners. I had the identical problem with my first THR and coumadin. When I have my LTHR in August I am hoping to avoid taking coumadin. Glad to hear about Lovenox. Re: blood thinners I tried to talk my surgeon into using Lovenox but ended up on Coumadin. I'll never take Coumadin again due to the side effects. I ran a low grade fever, was constantly fatigued, and mentally out of it. My first INR was just 1.4 with a target of 2.0. The MD wanted to double the dose! I told him that if the side effects were dose dependent I wasn't going to be the one to find out and refused to increase the dose. He relented and told me to keep the 5mg daily dose and add an aspirin a day. He still wanted to have blood drawn every 3 - 4 days. I never went back for more blood draws. But his nurse kept ordering them and wondering why she wasn't getting any results. Duh! I finally decided to quit the drug and just take large doses (975mg 4 - 5 times/day) of aspirin instead. The day after I quit the Coumadin, all the side effects disappeared. The surgeon wasn't a bit pleased with my decision but I survived without any blood clots. If there's a next time, it's either Lovenox or aspirin. Bill > > > > > > > many thanks to everyone that has answered my questions, and of > > course i have another one. my bi-lateral TKR is scheduled for this > > coming tuesday, and one of the things im afraid of (among others) is > > the blood thinner injections. can anyone tell me about this? i hate > > needles especially if it involves sticking myself, i just need to > > know what to expect. > > thanks again > > diane > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I was wondering how long people are usually on blood thinners post-surgery? I have known since my first appointment with my OS (5/5) that I would be on blood thinners, starting after the first surgerry. I was orginally going to have bilateral TKR done the last week of July, but I've been having increased problems with pain the last two weeks, particularly at work. For this reason, I called the surgery scheduler at my OS office and am able to get in 11 days earlier....July 16 for the left and July 20 for the right. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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