Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity and TKR...

[Guest guest]

Back home after TKR. Nurses were shocked when I stretched 115 out of 120

degrees the first day after surgery. Surgeon said that was his record. Nurses

were all over trying my magic wand on their hurt spots. I bought two

bottles of hospital named bottle water and transferred my colloidal silver. No

body even looked twice at the water bottles. A nurse told me to get rid of

some of my cinnamon pills. She said their lab needed to test the cinnamon to

see if it was any good and bless its use. I sent all my vitamins back home

as it wasn't worth the effort. If I used the right cinnamon dose glucose

would be OK for one month.

My knee has now a bunch of pain and my stretch dropped to 90 degrees. The

Re-Hab place was filled so I need to look for another place for Re-Hab. I

am on Medicare/Medicaid and it would not accept Medicaid so maybe I was

lucky they would not take me.

Brickey

[Guest guest]

I never show nurses what I take when I am in hospital. You should have hidden

your cinnamon.

Keep stretching the knee. Do you really have to go to rehab? No one at home?

All the best, Joan

________________________________

From: " Skippyfj@... " <Skippyfj@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 3:38:52 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity

and TKR...

Back home after TKR. Nurses were shocked when I stretched 115 out of 120

degrees the first day after surgery. Surgeon said that was his record. Nurses

were all over trying my magic wand on their hurt spots. I bought two

bottles of hospital named bottle water and transferred my colloidal silver. No

body even looked twice at the water bottles. A nurse told me to get rid of

some of my cinnamon pills. She said their lab needed to test the cinnamon to

see if it was any good and bless its use. I sent all my vitamins back home

as it wasn't worth the effort. If I used the right cinnamon dose glucose

would be OK for one month.

My knee has now a bunch of pain and my stretch dropped to 90 degrees. The

Re-Hab place was filled so I need to look for another place for Re-Hab. I

am on Medicare/Medicaid and it would not accept Medicaid so maybe I was

lucky they would not take me.

Brickey

[Guest guest]

I am sorry to have to disagree with you,about the medication you choose to

take. !!!

you should tell your anesthetist and nurses of any drugs you are taking

being natural or

Main stream drugs.

Drugs interact with each other sometimes in adverse ways, and unless you

are trained in pharmacology you

Could be doing yourself great harm, some of the drugs they use whilst you

are " Under " are pretty heavy duty.

-- Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on

obesity

and TKR...

Back home after TKR. Nurses were shocked when I stretched 115 out of 120

degrees the first day after surgery. Surgeon said that was his record.

Nurses

were all over trying my magic wand on their hurt spots. I bought two

bottles of hospital named bottle water and transferred my colloidal silver.

No

body even looked twice at the water bottles. A nurse told me to get rid of

some of my cinnamon pills. She said their lab needed to test the cinnamon

to

see if it was any good and bless its use. I sent all my vitamins back home

as it wasn't worth the effort. If I used the right cinnamon dose glucose

would be OK for one month.

My knee has now a bunch of pain and my stretch dropped to 90 degrees. The

Re-Hab place was filled so I need to look for another place for Re-Hab. I

am on Medicare/Medicaid and it would not accept Medicaid so maybe I was

lucky they would not take me.

Brickey

[Guest guest]

You are probably right, but I have had problems with nurses and they have caused

me much distress because they would not give my some medications. Once i almost

had a severe asthma attack because they would not let me use my inhaler. After

that, I just keep mum and take the meds I need.

________________________________

From: Waspe <mary.waspe@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 11:31:00 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity

and TKR...

I am sorry to have to disagree with you,about the medication you choose to

take. !!!

you should tell your anesthetist and nurses of any drugs you are taking

being natural or

Main stream drugs.

Drugs interact with each other sometimes in adverse ways, and unless you

are trained in pharmacology you

Could be doing yourself great harm, some of the drugs they use whilst you

are " Under " are pretty heavy duty.

-- Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on

obesity

and TKR...

Back home after TKR. Nurses were shocked when I stretched 115 out of 120

degrees the first day after surgery. Surgeon said that was his record.

Nurses

were all over trying my magic wand on their hurt spots. I bought two

bottles of hospital named bottle water and transferred my colloidal silver.

No

body even looked twice at the water bottles. A nurse told me to get rid of

some of my cinnamon pills. She said their lab needed to test the cinnamon

to

see if it was any good and bless its use. I sent all my vitamins back home

as it wasn't worth the effort. If I used the right cinnamon dose glucose

would be OK for one month.

My knee has now a bunch of pain and my stretch dropped to 90 degrees. The

Re-Hab place was filled so I need to look for another place for Re-Hab. I

am on Medicare/Medicaid and it would not accept Medicaid so maybe I was

lucky they would not take me.

Brickey

[Guest guest]

Interesting thread here. They had fits about my nitro. I have nitro spray and

they took it away from me. I get heart spasms. I had to YELL for them when I

had one...(that is what they told me to do......the fools and I was a fool for

doing it.....)....and they can go into full heart attacks. I finally got the

hospital doctor to write in my file that it could stay by my bed. They had

already taken away all my minerals, told by my doctor to take, but not

prescription......so that put me into heart problems. THEN when I

yelled.........no one heard me..........and I yelled again...... well when I

wrote up my post hospital what I thought of the stay, I said all good

things,,,,,,,,,except on this..

I learned that " next " time, I hide my vitamins and minerals and take them anyway

and carry several nitros and hide that too.............then in the recovery room

they would not give me my cpap machine and were having fits because I kept

stopping breathing.......duh. dash

Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity

and TKR...

You are probably right, but I have had problems with nurses and they have caused

me much distress because they would not give my some medications. Once i almost

had a severe asthma attack because they would not let me use my inhaler. After

that, I just keep mum and take the meds I need.

[Guest guest]

I thought so too , but they refused to give it to me, my stay was over 10

days and I needed it.......and ended up in heart spasm because it was denied to

me. I otherwise agree with you, but there are sometimes when I guess I now will

lie. dash

Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity

and TKR...

I am sorry to have to disagree with you,about the medication you choose to

take. !!!

you should tell your anesthetist and nurses of any drugs you are taking

being natural or

Main stream drugs.

Drugs interact with each other sometimes in adverse ways, and unless you

are trained in pharmacology you

Could be doing yourself great harm, some of the drugs they use whilst you

are " Under " are pretty heavy duty.

[Guest guest]

¹s right here. People still do die under general anesthesia, though

very rarely, and one thing that can go wrong is unanticipated drug

interactions. Nurses in particular can be outrageous control freaks, but

on this one we have to tolerate them, for our own safety.

If the natural drugs you are taking are effective, they must be disclosed.

(If they¹re totally inert, no, but if they¹re totally inert why are you

taking them?)

F

on 7/21/10 3:31 AM, Waspe at mary.waspe@... wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> I am sorry to have to disagree with you,about the medication you choose to

> take. !!!

> you should tell your anesthetist and nurses of any drugs you are taking

> being natural or

> Main stream drugs.

>

> Drugs interact with each other sometimes in adverse ways, and unless you

> are trained in pharmacology you

> Could be doing yourself great harm, some of the drugs they use whilst you

> are " Under " are pretty heavy duty.

>

>

>

> -- Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on

> obesity

> and TKR...

>

>

> Back home after TKR. Nurses were shocked when I stretched 115 out of 120

> degrees the first day after surgery. Surgeon said that was his record.

> Nurses

> were all over trying my magic wand on their hurt spots. I bought two

> bottles of hospital named bottle water and transferred my colloidal silver.

> No

> body even looked twice at the water bottles. A nurse told me to get rid of

> some of my cinnamon pills. She said their lab needed to test the cinnamon

> to

> see if it was any good and bless its use. I sent all my vitamins back home

> as it wasn't worth the effort. If I used the right cinnamon dose glucose

> would be OK for one month.

>

> My knee has now a bunch of pain and my stretch dropped to 90 degrees. The

> Re-Hab place was filled so I need to look for another place for Re-Hab. I

> am on Medicare/Medicaid and it would not accept Medicaid so maybe I was

> lucky they would not take me.

> Brickey

>

>

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with you. My surgeon went through all my pills with me and OK'ed

all of them. I did, of course, stop taking aspirin two weeks before the

surgery. You are the person who knows your body best. J

________________________________

From: dash <dash4@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:03:53 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity

and TKR...

Interesting thread here. They had fits about my nitro. I have nitro spray and

they took it away from me. I get heart spasms. I had to YELL for them when I

had one...(that is what they told me to do......the fools and I was a fool for

doing it.....)....and they can go into full heart attacks. I finally got the

hospital doctor to write in my file that it could stay by my bed. They had

already taken away all my minerals, told by my doctor to take, but not

prescription......so that put me into heart problems. THEN when I

yelled.........no one heard me..........and I yelled again...... well when I

wrote up my post hospital what I thought of the stay, I said all good

things,,,,,,,,,except on this..

I learned that " next " time, I hide my vitamins and minerals and take them anyway

and carry several nitros and hide that too.............then in the recovery room

they would not give me my cpap machine and were having fits because I kept

stopping breathing.......duh. dash

Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity

and TKR...

You are probably right, but I have had problems with nurses and they have caused

me much distress because they would not give my some medications. Once i almost

had a severe asthma attack because they would not let me use my inhaler. After

that, I just keep mum and take the meds I need.

[Guest guest]

You are playing with fire if you hide your medication from your

medical personnel when you are having a procedure of any kind.

If it is necessary for you to have something at your bedside for a

bona fide emergency, then your doctor can write that in the orders. If

you need these items, your doctor was at fault for not ensuring that

they were available for you.

If something goes wrong, and you were found to have been sneaking

medication in, you would most likely lose the ability to claim

malpractice.

I can't claim to know what your ailments are but if you need emergency

nitro and stop breathing without a machine, you are certainly a

patient who is at high risk for any surgical procedure and all the

more reason to make sure that all medical personnel are completely

aware of everything you are taking and/or what needs to be done.

On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Joan Kell wrote:

> I totally agree with you. My surgeon went through all my pills with

> me and OK'ed

> all of them. I did, of course, stop taking aspirin two weeks before

> the

> surgery. You are the person who knows your body best. J

>

> ________________________________

> From: dash <dash4@...>

> Joint Replacement

> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:03:53 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results

> on obesity

> and TKR...

>

> Interesting thread here. They had fits about my nitro. I have nitro

> spray and

> they took it away from me. I get heart spasms. I had to YELL for

> them when I

> had one...(that is what they told me to do......the fools and I was

> a fool for

> doing it.....)....and they can go into full heart attacks. I finally

> got the

> hospital doctor to write in my file that it could stay by my bed.

> They had

> already taken away all my minerals, told by my doctor to take, but not

> prescription......so that put me into heart problems. THEN when I

> yelled.........no one heard me..........and I yelled again......

> well when I

> wrote up my post hospital what I thought of the stay, I said all good

> things,,,,,,,,,except on this..

>

> I learned that " next " time, I hide my vitamins and minerals and take

> them anyway

> and carry several nitros and hide that too.............then in the

> recovery room

> they would not give me my cpap machine and were having fits because

> I kept

> stopping breathing.......duh. dash

>

> Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results

> on obesity

> and TKR...

>

> You are probably right, but I have had problems with nurses and they

> have caused

>

> me much distress because they would not give my some medications.

> Once i almost

>

> had a severe asthma attack because they would not let me use my

> inhaler. After

> that, I just keep mum and take the meds I need.

>

>

[Guest guest]

As I said before, my surgeon was aware of all the stuff I had with me. The

hospitals say that they will give you the medication you need, but they really

don't, or make you wait forever for them. In fact, it was my surgeon who told

me to bring my inhaler this time and not count on the nurses giving me one.

At least this time, when I complained the day after the surgery that the urine

tube was giving me cystitis, they started me on the the proper pills

immediately. The last time it took a day and a half of agony before I could get

the proper meds. Hospitals can kill you.

________________________________

From: " jujulabee@... " <jujulabee@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 4:17:25 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity

and TKR...

You are playing with fire if you hide your medication from your

medical personnel when you are having a procedure of any kind.

If it is necessary for you to have something at your bedside for a

bona fide emergency, then your doctor can write that in the orders. If

you need these items, your doctor was at fault for not ensuring that

they were available for you.

If something goes wrong, and you were found to have been sneaking

medication in, you would most likely lose the ability to claim

malpractice.

I can't claim to know what your ailments are but if you need emergency

nitro and stop breathing without a machine, you are certainly a

patient who is at high risk for any surgical procedure and all the

more reason to make sure that all medical personnel are completely

aware of everything you are taking and/or what needs to be done.

On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Joan Kell wrote:

> I totally agree with you. My surgeon went through all my pills with

> me and OK'ed

> all of them. I did, of course, stop taking aspirin two weeks before

> the

> surgery. You are the person who knows your body best. J

>

> ________________________________

> From: dash <dash4@...>

> Joint Replacement

> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:03:53 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results

> on obesity

> and TKR...

>

> Interesting thread here. They had fits about my nitro. I have nitro

> spray and

> they took it away from me. I get heart spasms. I had to YELL for

> them when I

> had one...(that is what they told me to do......the fools and I was

> a fool for

> doing it.....)....and they can go into full heart attacks. I finally

> got the

> hospital doctor to write in my file that it could stay by my bed.

> They had

> already taken away all my minerals, told by my doctor to take, but not

> prescription......so that put me into heart problems. THEN when I

> yelled.........no one heard me..........and I yelled again......

> well when I

> wrote up my post hospital what I thought of the stay, I said all good

> things,,,,,,,,,except on this..

>

> I learned that " next " time, I hide my vitamins and minerals and take

> them anyway

> and carry several nitros and hide that too.............then in the

> recovery room

> they would not give me my cpap machine and were having fits because

> I kept

> stopping breathing.......duh. dash

>

> Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results

> on obesity

> and TKR...

>

> You are probably right, but I have had problems with nurses and they

> have caused

>

> me much distress because they would not give my some medications.

> Once i almost

>

> had a severe asthma attack because they would not let me use my

> inhaler. After

> that, I just keep mum and take the meds I need.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My surgeon was fine with all the stuff......it was the nurses that went nuts.

I was in a hospital and then moved. My original doctor was not on the case as

before.....and I had a hospital doc and it took him awhile to write the order.

The nurses took away my minerals at the second hospital. I was able to take

them at the first one.......was just a crazy journey. dash

Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results

> on obesity

> and TKR...

>

> You are probably right, but I have had problems with nurses and they

> have caused

>

> me much distress because they would not give my some medications.

> Once i almost

>

> had a severe asthma attack because they would not let me use my

> inhaler. After

> that, I just keep mum and take the meds I need.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree Joan. It is a real battle and the nurses have orders to do what they

do. It is really hard to fight it all. I was in hospital about 14 days. So

the first hospital didn't care but the second one did..... next time I am hiding

a second set of stuff into my bags. Once the procedure is over.....it is not

something they have to know....unless the presiding doc will write the order. I

need my nitro NOW when the heart attack starts, not later when they get

there.... only to find a dead body...... it was nuts. dash

Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity

and TKR...

As I said before, my surgeon was aware of all the stuff I had with me. The

hospitals say that they will give you the medication you need, but they really

don't, or make you wait forever for them. In fact, it was my surgeon who told

me to bring my inhaler this time and not count on the nurses giving me one.

At least this time, when I complained the day after the surgery that the urine

tube was giving me cystitis, they started me on the the proper pills

immediately. The last time it took a day and a half of agony before I could get

the proper meds. Hospitals can kill you.

[Guest guest]

And MY surgeon said all the pills were ok too, in fact he TOLD me to hide them

from the nurses.... but then I got moved to a different hospital.... and didn't

hide them.....I hate to lie.. and then I could have died from NOT having them.

dash

Re: Re: Fw: Re: Positive results on obesity

and TKR...

I totally agree with you. My surgeon went through all my pills with me and OK'ed

all of them. I did, of course, stop taking aspirin two weeks before the

surgery. You are the person who knows your body best. J