Re: Re: Pray that there is no Oh-Bummer Care

[Guest guest]

Oh please.

In a message dated 8/12/2009 7:40:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

mbwebman@... writes:

Actually, I have read a copy of what has been published, cover to cover

[Guest guest]

Plus there is, last I heard, no " one plan' to BE published. Reading one

or the other side's representations of " Here is what is being proposed " is

not the same as reading the actual bills as they are presented.

(My favorite line from teh crowds is still ' " Keep your government hands

off my Medicare! " )

In a message dated 8/12/2009 8:04:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jujulabee@... writes:

You could not have read the plan since there is NOTHING in the plan

which would bring " everyone under one plan " -- It is not even clear if

there will be a public option at this point.

[Guest guest]

You could not have read the plan since there is NOTHING in the plan

which would bring " everyone under one plan " -- It is not even clear if

there will be a public option at this point. The majority of those

under 65 still receive their health care through corporate plans which

are precluded from using the public option, it is mathematically

impossible.

Why wouldn't one use Medicare when the " perils of government

involvement are used to frighten people as the original poster did.

The original post stated that health care would be rationed. I merely

pointed out that hips are not rationed under Medicare which is a

SINGLE PAYER PLAN WHICH IS RUN BY THE US GOVERNMENT and public option

for those under 65 is would be a choice.

You are quite wrong on the health care delivery systems in the UK,

Canada, Germany, Switzerland and all the rest of the Western

Democracies. There are a number of Canadians on this thread who have

received excellent care and none of them have to worry about becoming

bankrupted by a medical emergency.

Again, this is not the appropriate forum for a political discussion --

especially one which is fueled by misinformation.

I apologize to the 99% of the list but the lies are insidious and

should be refuted by FACTS.

On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:40 AM, mbwebman wrote:

> Actually, I have read a copy of what has been published, cover to

> cover and that is what scares me the most. It really IS BAD. As for

> comparing it to medicare is not apples to apples. Medicare is

> designed for the elderly, this plan is designed to bring everyone

> under one plan and eliminate costs by eliminating care. Look at

> England, Canada and Germany to find out just how bad it can get.

>

>

> >

> > Alan,

> > You are terribly mistaken and misinformed. I suggest you actually

> read what is being suggested instead of listening to fix news. This

> country is in desperate need of health care reform and the only

> people who are against this issue are the insurance companies. our

> " representitves " who are being paid by those companies, and those

> that are misinformed as to what's actually being suggested.

> > Aside from that we have a government run medical system in place

> right now called medicare which seems to work just fine and I

> haven't heard too many stories of people being turned down ffor

> surgeries that are necessary.

> > I hope you will take the time to become educated before making any

> further false accusations about this much needed legislation.

> > Jeff

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: mbwebman <mbwebman@...>

> > Joint Replacement

> > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:29:52 AM

> > Subject: Pray that there is no Oh-Bummer

> Care

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > Right now we're all enjoying the ability to get our TKR's or THR's

> when we need them. If the BUMMER get's his way no one will be able

> to get TKR's or THR's in a reasonable time if ever. Make sure you

> let your congress representatives and senators know that you DON'T

> want Oh Bummer Care!!

> >

> > Alan

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Do you have a copy of the actual bill or a synopsis that has been published by

the insurance companies that is full of lies. There is absolutely no plan to

eliminate care, just usless excess tests. I our health care is so good as it is

why are we ranked 37th in the world behind all those countries that you

mentioned.

Again you are spreading untruths.

Jeff

________________________________

From: mbwebman <mbwebman@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:40:00 AM

Subject: Re: Pray that there is no Oh-Bummer Care

Actually, I have read a copy of what has been published, cover to cover and that

is what scares me the most.  It really IS BAD.  As for comparing it to medicare

is not apples to apples.  Medicare is designed for the elderly, this plan is

designed to bring everyone under one plan and eliminate costs by eliminating

care.  Look at England, Canada and Germany to find out just how bad it can get.

>

> Alan,

> You are terribly mistaken and misinformed. I suggest you actually read what is

being suggested instead of listening to fix news. This country is in desperate

need of health care reform and the only people who are against this issue are

the insurance companies. our " representitves " who are being paid by those

companies, and those that are misinformed as to what's actually being suggested.

> Aside from that we have a government run medical system in place right now

called medicare which seems to work just fine and I haven't heard too many

stories of people being turned down ffor surgeries that are necessary.

> I hope you will take the time to become educated before making any further

false accusations about this much needed legislation.

> Jeff

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: mbwebman <mbwebman@...>

> Joint Replacement

> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:29:52 AM

> Subject: Pray that there is no Oh-Bummer Care

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> Right now we're all enjoying the ability to get our TKR's or THR's when we

need them.  If the BUMMER get's his way no one will be able to get TKR's or

THR's in a reasonable time if ever.  Make sure you let your congress

representatives and senators know that you DON'T want Oh Bummer Care!!

>

> Alan

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jujulabee,

Unfortunately the people spreading these lies are not really interested in

facts. They listen to the fear tactics and the smear machine and take that for

truth because it's easier for them to do that rather than taking the time and

putting in the effort to do a little research.

I don't think you need to apologize for bringing out the truth. You (nor I)

brought up this topic and wouldn't have here but it is necessary to refute the

lies.

Thanks,

Jeff

 

________________________________

From: " jujulabee@... " <jujulabee@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:00:25 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Pray that there is no Oh-Bummer Care

You could not have read the plan since there is NOTHING in the plan 

which would bring " everyone under one plan " -- It is not even clear if 

there will be a public option at this point.  The majority of those 

under 65 still receive their health care through corporate plans which 

are precluded from using the public option, it is mathematically 

impossible.

Why wouldn't one use Medicare when the " perils of government 

involvement are used to frighten people as the original poster did. 

The original post stated that health care would be rationed.. I merely 

pointed out that hips are not rationed under Medicare which is a 

SINGLE PAYER PLAN WHICH IS RUN BY THE US GOVERNMENT and public option 

for those under 65 is would be a choice.

You are quite wrong on the health care delivery systems in the UK, 

Canada, Germany, Switzerland and all the rest of the Western 

Democracies. There are a number of Canadians on this thread who have 

received excellent care and none of them have to worry about becoming 

bankrupted by a medical emergency.

Again, this is not the appropriate forum for a political discussion -- 

especially one which is fueled by misinformation.

I apologize to the 99% of the list but the lies are insidious and 

should be refuted by FACTS.

On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:40 AM, mbwebman wrote:

> Actually, I have read a copy of what has been published, cover to 

> cover and that is what scares me the most. It really IS BAD. As for 

> comparing it to medicare is not apples to apples. Medicare is 

> designed for the elderly, this plan is designed to bring everyone 

> under one plan and eliminate costs by eliminating care. Look at 

> England, Canada and Germany to find out just how bad it can get.

>

>

> >

> > Alan,

> > You are terribly mistaken and misinformed. I suggest you actually 

> read what is being suggested instead of listening to fix news. This 

> country is in desperate need of health care reform and the only 

> people who are against this issue are the insurance companies. our 

> " representitves " who are being paid by those companies, and those 

> that are misinformed as to what's actually being suggested.

> > Aside from that we have a government run medical system in place 

> right now called medicare which seems to work just fine and I 

> haven't heard too many stories of people being turned down ffor 

> surgeries that are necessary.

> > I hope you will take the time to become educated before making any 

> further false accusations about this much needed legislation.

> > Jeff

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: mbwebman <mbwebman@...>

> > Joint Replacement

> > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:29:52 AM

> > Subject: Pray that there is no Oh-Bummer 

> Care

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > Right now we're all enjoying the ability to get our TKR's or THR's 

> when we need them.  If the BUMMER get's his way no one will be able 

> to get TKR's or THR's in a reasonable time if ever.  Make sure you 

> let your congress representatives and senators know that you DON'T 

> want Oh Bummer Care!!

> >

> > Alan

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/2009 1:38:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sparksals@... writes:

No system is perfect

Okay, there is the truest statement of the day! Whatever 'reform' is

enacted, I'm sure there will be some thign sI consider idiotic included, and

some thigns I consider critical left out...and peopel whose views are the

opposite of me will feel teh same way, only my diotic inclusiosn will be what

they like, my " I can't belivee they left this out! " will be thigns they

consider a joke...

BTW, the entire lable is really wrong, it has little to do with health

care reform, more to do with health insurance availablity reform.

[Guest guest]

Yes the single payer plan run by the US government.

The same forces attempted to scare the people back in 1965 by

shrieking about the horrors of government.

On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:15 AM, jarcher107@... wrote:

> Plus there is, last I heard, no " one plan' to BE published. Reading

> one

> or the other side's representations of " Here is what is being

> proposed " is

> not the same as reading the actual bills as they are presented.

>

> (My favorite line from teh crowds is still ' " Keep your government

> hands

> off my Medicare! " )

>

>

> In a message dated 8/12/2009 8:04:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jujulabee@... writes:

>

> You could not have read the plan since there is NOTHING in the plan

> which would bring " everyone under one plan " -- It is not even clear if

> there will be a public option at this point.

>

>

[Guest guest]

please stop.....everyone (not just this post). 

________________________________

From: <sparksals@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:36:23 PM

Subject: Re: Pray that there is no Oh-Bummer Care

 

Hmmm have your lived in Canada? Have you ever used the Canadian health system?

No, you are listening to the right wing propaganda from other media frenzies who

have never experienced the Canadian healthcare system.

The canadian system is TOP NOTCH. In fact, some of our standards are higher than

that of the US. The kicker... no one goes bankrupt in Canada because of medical

expenses. There may be a short wait for some procedures, non life threatening/

elective procedures, but you know what... the line is always open.

Unfortunately, there are many ill Americans who can't even get into the line b/c

they don't have affordable health insurance or can't get it b/c they have

pre-exisiting conditions.

I find it extremely hypocritical for people to criticize the Canadian system

when 1. they know nothing about it, 2. they have not experienced it, 3. they are

listening to media zealots who have not experienced it either.

No system is perfect. I grew up in Canada and now live in the US. I would take

the Canadian system any day period. I have had to wait months to see a primary

physician for a physical in the US. I waited months in AZ to see a dermatologist

when I had a skin condition that spread and resulted in additional lengthy care

to get rid of it. Never did I wait that long in CAnada. Ever.

I have elderly parents who are well taken care of medically b/c of the Canadian

system. Despite being on a fixed income, they can afford their prescriptions and

they don't have to worry about medical expenses.

Before you say how bad the CAnadian system is, I suggest you do your research

and not criticize something you know nothing about.

In Total_Joint_ Replacement, " mbwebman " <mbwebman@.. .> wrote:

>

> Actually, I have read a copy of what has been published, cover to cover and

that is what scares me the most. It really IS BAD. As for comparing it to

medicare is not apples to apples. Medicare is designed for the elderly, this

plan is designed to bring everyone under one plan and eliminate costs by

eliminating care. Look at England, Canada and Germany to find out just how bad

it can get.

>

>

> >

> > Alan,

> > You are terribly mistaken and misinformed. I suggest you actually read what

is being suggested instead of listening to fix news. This country is in

desperate need of health care reform and the only people who are against this

issue are the insurance companies. our " representitves " who are being paid by

those companies, and those that are misinformed as to what's actually being

suggested.

> > Aside from that we have a government run medical system in place right now

called medicare which seems to work just fine and I haven't heard too many

stories of people being turned down ffor surgeries that are necessary.

> > I hope you will take the time to become educated before making any further

false accusations about this much needed legislation.

> > Jeff

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: mbwebman <mbwebman@>

> > Total_Joint_ Replacement

> > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:29:52 AM

> > Subject: [Total_Joint_ Replacement] Pray that there is no Oh-Bummer Care

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > Right now we're all enjoying the ability to get our TKR's or THR's when we

need them.  If the BUMMER get's his way no one will be able to get TKR's or

THR's in a reasonable time if ever.  Make sure you let your congress

representatives and senators know that you DON'T want Oh Bummer Care!!

> >

> > Alan

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You are so right. If you don't vote and you have nothing to complain about.

And you said it so proudly.

Sheila

Re: Pray that there is no Oh-Bummer Care

If you don't vote, you have no right to complain.

>

>

> First of all I never vote I'm not a right wing or left wing, these topics

were what people were talking about I listed the bill so that people could

look at each one and read for there self what the bill says.

> I'm off this list one can't even list the bills were a person can read

them for them self with out getting all kinds of crap and words I don't need

this. I put out the statements people were making so they could see what it

said. I have looked for this bill for days wrote the white house (no answer)

to find it for myself. What did I get called a bunch of names for it so much

for people wanting to be informated.

> Sharon LeVine

>

>

>