RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

March 27, 2010

:

I'm anything but knowledgeable but I'll put my 2 cents in here. About 5:00

pm is when EITHER our circadian rythm changes and/or Cortisol levels change.

And they might be one and the same. If you had your Cortisol levels checked

(4 times in a day with saliva testing) you might see that around 5:00 pm

your Cortisol drops too quickly. There would be your answer RIGHT THERE. So

it might be an Adrenal issue.

Second, we all know with our children with colds and seasonal allergies that

once you get to this time of day, all congestion problems seem to get far

worse. Any doctor will tell you that. And of course, just lying down is a

problem.

Third, you MOST LIKELY have a Mycoplasma WHICH IS CAUSING THE Asthma.

Fourth, I have 2 Grandsons who have a marvelous inventive father (my son)

who GOT FED UP treating their Asthma (and one was USING a Ventilator or

whatever you call it) to have life-threatening shortness of breath which

scares everyone and took them to a SMART DOCTOR who checked them and found

they TOO had a Mycoplasma. Gave them a round of CERTAIN ANTIBIOTICS and

CURED BOTH OF THEM of their Asthma in their teens, when they had it for over

10 years.

It turned out they caught it from their Mother IN UTERO.

Bonnie

_____

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Atwood

Sent: March 27, 2010 7:54 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Hi All:

I'd like your opinion and or facts on an issue that's hard for me to

understand. I notice that by late afternoon, 5:00 PM and down I start to get

that nasty tightness, and congestion in my chest and sinus's from my Asthma,

and as the night wears on it gets worse, and wakes me up several times.

That's about the only time now that I really need the albuterol inhaler.

During the day I not perfect, but I don't need the inhaler. I'm in the

process of healing this issue, and I've determined from doing many different

tests, and therapies that my Asthma may be connected to thyroid dysfunction

and have had extensive tests done my an N.D., and will get results this next

week.

Anyway, how does the body change after a certain time in the afternoon, and

when a person lies down to make the Asthma so much worse at night than

during the day. Anyone know?

Grateful for any opinions or facts.

Atwood

http://www.traditio <http://www.traditionalcook.com> nalcook.com

March 27, 2010

Hi Bonnie:

Thanks so much, this is good info. I don't know about my cortisol or even if

that's one of the things that I was tested for. Probably not because I did not

do any kind of spit test. All of my tests were with drawn blood. Any good

natural ways to bring up the cortisol levels. and isn't that the good hormone

the Adrenal put out? I will question my Doctor about that. As for the

Mycoplasma, I did have them culture my sinus and also do a blood test for

another type of bacteria which I read about in Bruce Fife's book " Oil Pulling

Therapy " and he writes about a man that was in fact cured of Asthma with

anti-biotics. It will be very interesting to get the test results, but tell me

more about cortisol if you have the information there and handy.

Atwood

http://www.traditionalcook.com

:

From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...>

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

:

I'm anything but knowledgeable but I'll put my 2 cents in here. About 5:00

pm is when EITHER our circadian rythm changes and/or Cortisol levels change.

And they might be one and the same. If you had your Cortisol levels checked

(4 times in a day with saliva testing) you might see that around 5:00 pm

your Cortisol drops too quickly. There would be your answer RIGHT THERE. So

it might be an Adrenal issue.

Third, you MOST LIKELY have a Mycoplasma WHICH IS CAUSING THE Asthma.

Fourth, I have 2 Grandsons who have a marvelous inventive father (my son)

who GOT FED UP treating their Asthma (and one was USING a Ventilator or

whatever you call it) to have life-threatening shortness of breath which

scares everyone and took them to a SMART DOCTOR who checked them and found

they TOO had a Mycoplasma. Gave them a round of CERTAIN ANTIBIOTICS and

CURED BOTH OF THEM of their Asthma in their teens, when they had it for over

10 years.

It turned out they caught it from their Mother IN UTERO.

Bonnie

March 27, 2010

hi maria, i have read that it is histamine levels that begin to rise late in the

day and stay high thru the night until the morning.Â

A PA told me years ago that untreated sinusitis will turn into asthma. I

suffered for the first time with a bout of it which lasted for 5 or 6 months i

was very debilitated plus had chemical sensitivies..had all the allergy

tests...took shots for 6 months but got progressively worse. On fast and slow

inhalers...had breathing treatments at the specialist's office. .seemed the more

i used inhalers the more i needed them. A Physician's assistant finally

diagnosed me put me on a course of antibiotics. Over and done. Â I get a little

wheezy in winter but have never had to use inhalers in almost 12 years now. Very

weird my son was diagnosed that same year...he doesn't used inhalers now either.

Have you tried a neti pot for sinus?.

Â

From: Atwood <naturespharma@...>

Subject: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Coconut Oil

Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:54 PM

Â

Hi All:

I'd like your opinion and or facts on an issue that's hard for me to understand.

I notice that by late afternoon, 5:00 PM and down I start to get that nasty

tightness, and congestion in my chest and sinus's from my Asthma, and as the

night wears on it gets worse, and wakes me up several times. That's about the

only time now that I really need the albuterol inhaler. During the day I not

perfect, but I don't need the inhaler. I'm in the process of healing this issue,

and I've determined from doing many different tests, and therapies that my

Asthma may be connected to thyroid dysfunction and have had extensive tests done

my an N.D., and will get results this next week.

Anyway, how does the body change after a certain time in the afternoon, and when

a person lies down to make the Asthma so much worse at night than during the

day. Anyone know?

Grateful for any opinions or facts.

Atwood

http://www.traditio nalcook.com

March 27, 2010

:

I think your Cortisol levels can be checked with a urine test 4 times in a

day. Yes, Cortisol is the GOOD hormone but most people with any amount of

stress will MAKE TOO MUCH.

Tell you MORE about Cortisol? What do you want to know? Either yours is too

high or too low.

All you have to do is ask your doctor to blood-test you for a Mycoplasma.

Take Minocyclin and get rid of the Asthma. I bet you can learn more about

Asthma and the Virus Chlamydia Pneumonia at Google.

Why put up with it? About 60% of the population has Chlamydia Pnuemonia (an

airborne virus) and it causes Heart Disease and Asthma.

GO FOR IT.

Bonnie

_____

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Atwood

Sent: March 27, 2010 8:42 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Hi Bonnie:

Thanks so much, this is good info. I don't know about my cortisol or even if

that's one of the things that I was tested for. Probably not because I did

not do any kind of spit test. All of my tests were with drawn blood. Any

good natural ways to bring up the cortisol levels. and isn't that the good

hormone the Adrenal put out? I will question my Doctor about that. As for

the Mycoplasma, I did have them culture my sinus and also do a blood test

for another type of bacteria which I read about in Bruce Fife's book " Oil

Pulling Therapy " and he writes about a man that was in fact cured of Asthma

with anti-biotics. It will be very interesting to get the test results, but

tell me more about cortisol if you have the information there and handy.

Atwood

http://www.traditio <http://www.traditionalcook.com> nalcook.com

:

From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@sympatic <mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca>

o.ca>

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

:

I'm anything but knowledgeable but I'll put my 2 cents in here. About 5:00

pm is when EITHER our circadian rythm changes and/or Cortisol levels change.

And they might be one and the same. If you had your Cortisol levels checked

(4 times in a day with saliva testing) you might see that around 5:00 pm

your Cortisol drops too quickly. There would be your answer RIGHT THERE. So

it might be an Adrenal issue.

Third, you MOST LIKELY have a Mycoplasma WHICH IS CAUSING THE Asthma.

Fourth, I have 2 Grandsons who have a marvelous inventive father (my son)

who GOT FED UP treating their Asthma (and one was USING a Ventilator or

whatever you call it) to have life-threatening shortness of breath which

scares everyone and took them to a SMART DOCTOR who checked them and found

they TOO had a Mycoplasma. Gave them a round of CERTAIN ANTIBIOTICS and

CURED BOTH OF THEM of their Asthma in their teens, when they had it for over

10 years.

It turned out they caught it from their Mother IN UTERO.

Bonnie

March 27, 2010

Thanks Lee - Gosh you guys are OK :>) - Great suggestions. Do you know what will

bring down those histamine levels? - Over the counter anti-histamines are gross

for me. I'm hoping that the sinus culture my doctor did will shed some light on

the sinus infection angle, in the mean-time if you all know of natural powerful

anti histamines, I would be grateful knowing what they are. Isn't that a liver

dysfunction when we can't handle histamines?

Atwood

http://www.traditionalcook.com

:

From: Lee <artchick48@...>

Subject: Re: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

hi maria, i have read that it is histamine levels that begin to rise late in the

day and stay high thru the night until the morning.

A PA told me years ago that untreated sinusitis will turn into asthma. I

suffered for the first time with a bout of it which lasted for 5 or 6 months i

was very debilitated plus had chemical sensitivies..had all the allergy

tests...took shots for 6 months but got progressively worse.

March 27, 2010

Oh, that's interesting that you mentioned Chlamydia Pneumonia, as that's the

bacteria that Bruce Fife says is the one that causes Asthma, and that Oil

Pulling may heal. I had that blood test done for CP, and so hopefully it will be

positive, and I can get some anti-biotics from the doc. Great that you confirmed

my bacterial suspicions regarding the Asthma. I've been fighting it for over 15

years, and I believe the Asthma started after I got a very severe bronchial cold

that I did not take care of.

Atwood

http://www.traditinalcook.com

From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...>

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Coconut Oil

Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 1:00 AM

:

I think your Cortisol levels can be checked with a urine test 4 times in a

day. Yes, Cortisol is the GOOD hormone but most people with any amount of

stress will MAKE TOO MUCH.

All you have to do is ask your doctor to blood-test you for a Mycoplasma.

Take Minocyclin and get rid of the Asthma. I bet you can learn more about

Asthma and the Virus Chlamydia Pneumonia at Google.

Why put up with it? About 60% of the population has Chlamydia Pnuemonia (an

airborne virus) and it causes Heart Disease and Asthma.

GO FOR IT.

Bonnie

March 27, 2010

Sinus infections?

Have you tried treating them with salt water irrigation, like using a neti pot?

Colloidal silver in a vaporizor?

Eucalyptus oil ?

-richard, l.m.t.-

--- On Sat, 3/27/10, Atwood <naturespharma@...> wrote

shed some light on the sinus infection angle,

Atwood

http://www.traditio nalcook.com

:

Â

March 27, 2010

Hi :

Oh, yes - I've been doing the Neti pot with salt & goldenseal for years,

sometimes twice a day/morning & before going to bed. It helps a lot, but it has

not done much for the Asthma.

Atwood

http://www.traditionalcook.com

:

From: Silva <silvaworks@...>

Subject: Re: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Sinus infections?

Have you tried treating them with salt water irrigation, like using a neti pot?

Colloidal silver in a vaporizor?

Eucalyptus oil ?

-richard, l.m.t.-

March 27, 2010

BINGO. So you have heard of this virus. OIL PULLING can't KILL any virus.

All it can do is LESSEN THE TOXIN LOAD.

So it's very good for doing that but CP needs an Antibiotic. Did you read to

the bottom of my TOO LONG email where I mentioned my grandsons being

cured????

Bonnie

_____

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Atwood

Sent: March 27, 2010 9:10 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Oh, that's interesting that you mentioned Chlamydia Pneumonia, as that's the

bacteria that Bruce Fife says is the one that causes Asthma, and that Oil

Pulling may heal. I had that blood test done for CP, and so hopefully it

will be positive, and I can get some anti-biotics from the doc. Great that

you confirmed my bacterial suspicions regarding the Asthma. I've been

fighting it for over 15 years, and I believe the Asthma started after I got

a very severe bronchial cold that I did not take care of.

Atwood

http://www.traditin <http://www.traditinalcook.com> alcook.com

From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@sympatic <mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca>

o.ca>

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

coconut_oil_ <mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

open_forum

Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 1:00 AM

:

I think your Cortisol levels can be checked with a urine test 4 times in a

day. Yes, Cortisol is the GOOD hormone but most people with any amount of

stress will MAKE TOO MUCH.

All you have to do is ask your doctor to blood-test you for a Mycoplasma.

Take Minocyclin and get rid of the Asthma. I bet you can learn more about

Asthma and the Virus Chlamydia Pneumonia at Google.

Why put up with it? About 60% of the population has Chlamydia Pnuemonia (an

airborne virus) and it causes Heart Disease and Asthma.

GO FOR IT.

Bonnie

March 27, 2010

, once you KILL the virus, you won't need to find an anti-histamine

CAUSE YOU WON'T NEED IT.

But anyone who wants an Antihistamine that's natural just take lots of

Vitamin C to bowel tolerance.

Bonnie

_____

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Atwood

Sent: March 27, 2010 9:05 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Thanks Lee - Gosh you guys are OK :>) - Great suggestions. Do you know what

will bring down those histamine levels? - Over the counter anti-histamines

are gross for me. I'm hoping that the sinus culture my doctor did will shed

some light on the sinus infection angle, in the mean-time if you all know of

natural powerful anti histamines, I would be grateful knowing what they are.

Isn't that a liver dysfunction when we can't handle histamines?

Atwood

http://www.traditio <http://www.traditionalcook.com> nalcook.com

:

From: Lee <artchick48 (DOT) <mailto:artchick48%40> com>

Subject: Re: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

hi maria, i have read that it is histamine levels that begin to rise late in

the day and stay high thru the night until the morning.

A PA told me years ago that untreated sinusitis will turn into asthma. I

suffered for the first time with a bout of it which lasted for 5 or 6 months

i was very debilitated plus had chemical sensitivies..had all the allergy

tests...took shots for 6 months but got progressively worse.

March 27, 2010

Bonnie,

Am I understanding you correctly? You're saying that Coconut Oil will not

kill a virus and you are suggesting that an antibiotic will? I'm sorry but

that seems contrary to what I have learned. Can you please explain?

Regards,

Craig

March 27, 2010

Craig, I didn't say that EATING Coconut Oil wouldn't kill a virus, I said

that swishing the oil around in your mouth (oil pulling) wouldn't kill a

virus that had invaded your cells.

Eating the VCO is different.

Bonnie

_____

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Craig Steffes

Sent: March 27, 2010 10:03 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Bonnie,

Am I understanding you correctly? You're saying that Coconut Oil will not

kill a virus and you are suggesting that an antibiotic will? I'm sorry but

that seems contrary to what I have learned. Can you please explain?

Regards,

Craig

March 27, 2010

, i've never researched histamine how to reduce levels..that's really funny

b/c i research all kinds of health things that's how i found this forum Â

Â my dr would say I'm self medicating or self diagnosing... I figure if 10 drs

can't help me with their education and knowledge then i must try to help

myself..and i have thru natural methods...someone in here posted they knew more

than a dr and I agree b/c drs do not even read their JAMA apparently.Â I did in

my last dr visit and it said, lol, drs should be testing for vitamin D

levels..mine didn't....

From: Atwood <naturespharma@...>

Subject: Re: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Coconut Oil

Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 9:04 PM

Â

Thanks Lee - Gosh you guys are OK :>) - Great suggestions. Do you know

what will bring down those histamine levels? - Over the counter anti-histamines

are gross for me. I'm hoping that the sinus culture my doctor did will shed some

light on the sinus infection angle, in the mean-time if you all know of natural

powerful anti histamines, I would be grateful knowing what they are. Isn't that

a liver dysfunction when we can't handle histamines?

Atwood

http://www.traditio nalcook.com

:

From: Lee <artchick48 (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: [coconut_oil_ open_forum] OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

hi maria, i have read that it is histamine levels that begin to rise late in the

day and stay high thru the night until the morning.Â

A PA told me years ago that untreated sinusitis will turn into asthma. I

suffered for the first time with a bout of it which lasted for 5 or 6 months i

was very debilitated plus had chemical sensitivies. .had all the allergy

tests...took shots for 6 months but got progressively worse.

March 27, 2010

Sorry Bonnie,

I guess I assumed that someone oil pulling with VCO would also be consuming

it.

Regards,

Craig

March 28, 2010

According to Dr. Fife's book " Oil Pulling Therapy " he is saying that it does

take out/kill, nullify or whatever, the bacteria's is that cause these

illnesses. He goes into a lot of explanation of how it does it. Too long for an

email, but I would encourage to get a copy of the book. Its quite a read.

Totally fascinating.

Atwood

http://www.trditionalcook.com

From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...>

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Craig, I didn't say that EATING Coconut Oil wouldn't kill a virus, I said

that swishing the oil around in your mouth (oil pulling) wouldn't kill a

virus that had invaded your cells.

Eating the VCO is different.

Bonnie

March 28, 2010

Aha - Bonnie, THIS IS GREAT INFO. I wondered about what Vitamin C does, as it's

the number one defense against allergies but I did not know it was a natural

anti-histamine. Sounds like another of natures wonders: Crushed garlic cloves,

allowed to rest for 15 minutes to an hour is one of the most powerful natural

anti-biotics you can take. It will kill anything. I've just started using the

crushed garlic, waiting a half hour and then taking it. I've been doing 8-9

cloves a day, and it's starting to lessen the Asthma a great deal. Just nights

are still a little rough, but I'm thinking either the garlic or the thyroid

tests will be my cure.

I use a whole vitamin C - Royal-Camu from

http://store.wholeworldbotanicals.com/Royal-Camu-Powder-100g-p/c-colon-100g-colo\

n-rclp100.htm

It's a phenomenal product. THANKS!

Atwood

http://www.traditionalcook.com

From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...>

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

, once you KILL the virus, you won't need to find an anti-histamine

CAUSE YOU WON'T NEED IT.

But anyone who wants an Antihistamine that's natural just take lots of

Vitamin C to bowel tolerance.

Bonnie

March 28, 2010

Lee,

I agree with what you said about us doin research to determine what type of

treatments we need for healing and better health. IF I would have taken my past

family doc. treatment I would gotten heart attack or stayed sick forever. You

and I know te damm reasons why present drs. don't know or care, I hope that I

live long to past the word. Thanks, for your comment.

Have a nice healthy day!

Gerardo Barriga

March 28, 2010

Bonnie; Please answer Craigs question about using antibiotics for

killing virus .Makes no sense . Thanks,

March 28, 2010

Antibiotics killing viruses? Hmm, that's not how I learned it.

( " biotics " =bacteria, good & bad)

That would be antivirals, no?

-richard, l.m.t.-

Â

Bonnie; Please answer Craigs question about using antibiotics for

killing virus .Makes no sense . Thanks,

March 29, 2010

I agree with you about the garlic,I buy garlic peeled, and then I put it in a

little food processor to get it to a crushed consistence. I keep it in the

fridge and use it everyday, morning , noon and night. It has helped me so much,

along with 500mg. of the soft gel magnesium.and black seed cumin oil. " Sweet

Sunnah " has the best one I think.

From: Atwood <naturespharma@...>

Subject: RE: OT-Why Does This Happen To Asthmatics

Coconut Oil

Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 1:38 PM