Re: Need help in what formulation of the Vitamin B's to use

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Duncan. I appreciate your clarification.

Love and Laughter,

Anne

Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

I only use Kirklands multivitamin right now Anne because my father did some

shopping at Costco and gave me one. I don't like it as it contains USP minerals

and I wouldn't buy it as I don't use a multivitamin preparation anyway. I use

Shilajit and fulvic/humic acids for mineral.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan,

>

> I'm wondering how Kirkland multivites fit into your supplement/nutritional

planning. I could find little information about them and am wondering what you

may know about them that isn't readily published. I'm currently taking a

high-priced multi vitamin/mineral from Life Extension. I would love to get my

costs down if possible. Anything you can share would be most appreciated.

>

> Hope you and Jo are well.

>

> Love and Laughter,

> Anne Zipkes

> Hot Springs, AR

> 501-760-2082

>

>

[Guest guest]

No I don't think my low opinion of a high-carb diet needs refining, Dee, and I

am aware that there are contradictory opinions from some people who really like

carbs. You needn't have asked

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> Since the original poster (message #38271) to whom you replied said that

consuming lots of brown rice skillets contributed to her improved health, don't

you think your opinion might need revising? Here is an alternate (to yours)

opinion:

> http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/HealYourGut.html

>

[Guest guest]

It's not a high carb diet that's at issue Duncan - only the kind of carbs and

how they affect the digestive system. I also agree with a mainly low carb diet

and choose carbs selectively. Sweet potatoes, for example. Years ago I cured

myself of ulcerative cholitis by eating a sweet potato every day. I came up with

the idea after reading about an African tribe that ate a LOT of sweet potatoes

and, as a result, were free of intestinal problems.

Dee

> >

> > Duncan,

> >

> > Since the original poster (message #38271) to whom you replied said that

consuming lots of brown rice skillets contributed to her improved health, don't

you think your opinion might need revising? Here is an alternate (to yours)

opinion:

> > http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/HealYourGut.html

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-10-15 7:06 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> I have never heard complaints on that...

Doesn't mean it isn't true... although in many cases it isn't 'teenage

wanks', it is paid disinformation specialists (believe it or not) - and

the same goes for snopes (when it comes to 'controversial' subjects like

health).

[Guest guest]

The fiber component of sweet potatoes is the therapy, and the carb is known to

feed candida and dysbiosis. One one hand I had one lady in our group contend her

and her husband both " came down with " IBS since they got married and the only

carb they can eat is white rice. They still both have (untreated) IBS I figure,

diet-acquired. On the other hand your African tribe probably didn't have the

triggering antibiotic and low-fiber diet that causes bowel issues.

all good,

Duncan

>

> It's not a high carb diet that's at issue Duncan - only the kind of carbs and

how they affect the digestive system. I also agree with a mainly low carb diet

and choose carbs selectively. Sweet potatoes, for example. Years ago I cured

myself of ulcerative cholitis by eating a sweet potato every day. I came up with

the idea after reading about an African tribe that ate a LOT of sweet potatoes

and, as a result, were free of intestinal problems.

>

> Dee

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, twist it as you will this is just another example where personal

experience trumps theory.

Dee

> >

> > It's not a high carb diet that's at issue Duncan - only the kind of carbs

and how they affect the digestive system. I also agree with a mainly low carb

diet and choose carbs selectively. Sweet potatoes, for example. Years ago I

cured myself of ulcerative cholitis by eating a sweet potato every day. I came

up with the idea after reading about an African tribe that ate a LOT of sweet

potatoes and, as a result, were free of intestinal problems.

> >

> > Dee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dee, the research on dysbiosis is a record of many personal experiences, written

by duly qualified individuals. You can twist or fly your own experience any way

you like, dear, for the benefit of impressing other housewives, but you could at

least honour real research with the same degree of credibility you claim for

yourself.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > It's not a high carb diet that's at issue Duncan - only the kind of carbs

and how they affect the digestive system. I also agree with a mainly low carb

diet and choose carbs selectively. Sweet potatoes, for example. Years ago I

cured myself of ulcerative cholitis by eating a sweet potato every day. I came

up with the idea after reading about an African tribe that ate a LOT of sweet

potatoes and, as a result, were free of intestinal problems.

> > >

> > > Dee

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well Duncan.... I hadn't eaten any rice all summer and I just started back.

Was having a lot of trouble with the IBS issues and now, with the rice, its

going away.. go figure...

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, October 17, 2011 12:13:48 PM

Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

Dee, the research on dysbiosis is a record of many personal experiences, written

by duly qualified individuals. You can twist or fly your own experience any way

you like, dear, for the benefit of impressing other housewives, but you could at

least honour real research with the same degree of credibility you claim for

yourself.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > It's not a high carb diet that's at issue Duncan - only the kind of carbs

>and how they affect the digestive system. I also agree with a mainly low carb

>diet and choose carbs selectively. Sweet potatoes, for example. Years ago I

>cured myself of ulcerative cholitis by eating a sweet potato every day. I came

>up with the idea after reading about an African tribe that ate a LOT of sweet

>potatoes and, as a result, were free of intestinal problems.

> > >

> > > Dee

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Duncan but your response amounts to just more noise as you present none of

that " personal experience by duly qualified individuals " that you mention. And

btw, I consider my personal experience, as well as others here to be " duly

qualified " - while your opinion, based solely on a generalized condemnation of

any and all carbs is not, in my opinion, in any way qualified. Such is the case

with so many of your opinions. They are just too generalized to be truly useful.

Dee

> > > >

> > > > It's not a high carb diet that's at issue Duncan - only the kind of

carbs and how they affect the digestive system. I also agree with a mainly low

carb diet and choose carbs selectively. Sweet potatoes, for example. Years ago I

cured myself of ulcerative cholitis by eating a sweet potato every day. I came

up with the idea after reading about an African tribe that ate a LOT of sweet

potatoes and, as a result, were free of intestinal problems.

> > > >

> > > > Dee

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, in some people with dysbiosis the carbs in white rice and sugar are

assimilated before they get to the part of the intestine with the dysbiosis,

which is most often close to and beyond the ileo-caecal valve. They could be one

of the 5% of IBS sufferers that don't have dysbiosis. Some people, maybe for

this reason, do OK on the Specific Carb Diet, which allows many sugars and

starch that would be contrindicated in most cases of bowel dysbiosis.

When I discovered that a carb snack reduces HGH output and increases cortisol,

reduces white blood cell activity by up to half for around 5 hours, and carbs

contribute to the formation of advanced glycation end-products and its

associated high amount of oxidative stress throughout your life, I went off

carbs. I binge a little but generally avoid carbs because it seems we have not

evolved to use them without inducing disease; seems they should be in the diet

by casual exposure rather than as a main course. I even had to give up on

stabilised rice bran, a supernutrient source

My wife's IBS is down to almost nothing but she gets copious gas and bloating if

she has carbs including white rice. Her reaction is well-started within 3 hours

so it's likely to be a condition called SIBO, or Small Intestinal Bacterial

Overgrowth.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Well Duncan.... I hadn't eaten any rice all summer and I just started back.

> Was having a lot of trouble with the IBS issues and now, with the rice, its

> going away.. go figure...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Now I am just the opposite. I have copious amounts of gas and bloating when NOT

eating rice. Now I can eat oatmeal and a few other grains, but wheat.. that I

pay for. So it must not be true for everyone. I guess I am the exception to

the rule, if there is a rule..

...

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, October 17, 2011 7:05:39 PM

Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

, in some people with dysbiosis the carbs in white rice and sugar are

assimilated before they get to the part of the intestine with the dysbiosis,

which is most often close to and beyond the ileo-caecal valve. They could be one

of the 5% of IBS sufferers that don't have dysbiosis. Some people, maybe for

this reason, do OK on the Specific Carb Diet, which allows many sugars and

starch that would be contrindicated in most cases of bowel dysbiosis.

When I discovered that a carb snack reduces HGH output and increases cortisol,

reduces white blood cell activity by up to half for around 5 hours, and carbs

contribute to the formation of advanced glycation end-products and its

associated high amount of oxidative stress throughout your life, I went off

carbs. I binge a little but generally avoid carbs because it seems we have not

evolved to use them without inducing disease; seems they should be in the diet

by casual exposure rather than as a main course. I even had to give up on

stabilised rice bran, a supernutrient source

My wife's IBS is down to almost nothing but she gets copious gas and bloating if

she has carbs including white rice. Her reaction is well-started within 3 hours

so it's likely to be a condition called SIBO, or Small Intestinal Bacterial

Overgrowth.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Well Duncan.... I hadn't eaten any rice all summer and I just started back.

> Was having a lot of trouble with the IBS issues and now, with the rice, its

> going away.. go figure...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm definitely an exception as well, if there is a rule. I also do very well

with brown rice. I eat a wide variety of carbs, certainly not in excessive

amounts, generally whole and sprouted. I have no gut dysbiosis, no pain, no

disease, no excess weight, tons of energy and I look about 15 years younger than

my chronological age.

On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Cody wrote:

> Now I am just the opposite. I have copious amounts of gas and bloating when

NOT

> eating rice. Now I can eat oatmeal and a few other grains, but wheat.. that I

> pay for. So it must not be true for everyone. I guess I am the exception to

> the rule, if there is a rule..

>

> ...

>

[Guest guest]

Dee, since peer-reviewed science is what you're disputing the existance of, some

of the studies you need to review have been on my website for as long as ten

years:

http://tinyurl.com/inulin-references

I also follow anthropological evidence such as peer-reviewed papers from Jeff

Leach, who studies early diets:

http://paleobioticslab.com

I think that these researchers are qualified to report, and I also believe that

they have adequate data with which to spot a trend. This data is available for

everyone with decent reading and comprehension to draw their conclusion from.

I'm sure that reading a whole lot of this research over the years, and keeping

up with current research through my e-publications from Medline, compelled me to

form an opinion.

Your opinion is based on your own anecdotal information. It may also be of

interest but the other data is pretty compelling too. With regard to your

personal choice on dietary carbohydrates, good luck with that. For most people

it's safer to not go there even in an explanation, otherwise too many people

think white rice is good for you and after all I'm treating dysbiosis, which

generally gets worse with these carbs.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Dee, the research on dysbiosis is a record of many personal experiences,

written by duly qualified individuals. You can twist or fly your own experience

any way you like, dear, for the benefit of impressing other housewives, but you

could at least honour real research with the same degree of credibility you

claim for yourself.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

[Guest guest]

No gluten in oatmeal rice or some exotic grains like there is in wheat ...it

appears to be not the carb form that's most important to your biology but the

gluten. My wife reacts to bread, pasta and rice. She reacts much less to

low-carb Dreamfields pasta though and that's nice for some binge days as she'd

been a carb addict for decades.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Now I am just the opposite. I have copious amounts of gas and bloating when

NOT

> eating rice. Now I can eat oatmeal and a few other grains, but wheat.. that I

> pay for. So it must not be true for everyone. I guess I am the exception to

> the rule, if there is a rule..

>

> ...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, I am not disputing peer-reviewed science. You have simply not presented

ANY studies that specifically implicate sweet potatoes or rice in intestinal

problems - in either your inulin references or the paleobioticslab you refer to.

If there were any I'm sure you would have been able to present those specific

studies.

Dee

> >

> > Sorry Duncan but your response amounts to just more noise as you present

none of that " personal experience by duly qualified individuals " that you

mention. And btw, I consider my personal experience, as well as others here to

be " duly qualified " - while your opinion, based solely on a generalized

condemnation of any and all carbs is not, in my opinion, in any way qualified.

Such is the case with so many of your opinions. They are just too generalized to

be truly useful.

> >

> > Dee

> >

[Guest guest]

Oops; K argumentative here's a Google search on the general subject:

<http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22white+rice%22+OR+%22sweet+potatoes%22+candida+\

OR+dysbiosis+OR+%22leaky+gut%22+OR+dysbacteriosis>

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan, I am not disputing peer-reviewed science. You have simply not

presented ANY studies that specifically implicate sweet potatoes or rice in

intestinal problems - in either your inulin references or the paleobioticslab

you refer to. If there were any I'm sure you would have been able to present

those specific studies.

>

> Dee

>

[Guest guest]

I have ulcerative colitis, and no carbs is the only diet to go.

 

Tiiu

________________________________

From: cathylynn2 <cathybuckley@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 7:21 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

 

Hi ,

I'm definitely an exception as well, if there is a rule. I also do very well

with brown rice. I eat a wide variety of carbs, certainly not in excessive

amounts, generally whole and sprouted. I have no gut dysbiosis, no pain, no

disease, no excess weight, tons of energy and I look about 15 years younger than

my chronological age.

On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Cody wrote:

> Now I am just the opposite. I have copious amounts of gas and bloating when

NOT

> eating rice. Now I can eat oatmeal and a few other grains, but wheat.. that I

> pay for. So it must not be true for everyone. I guess I am the exception to

> the rule, if there is a rule..

>

> ...

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have ulcerative colitis, and no carbs is the only diet to go.

I have no sensitivity to any food, but starch dysregulates my appetite and

causes sugar cravings. If I eat grains, dried beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes,

etc. on a regular basis, I start gaining about two pounds a week.

[Guest guest]

Duncan, every one of those articles referred to candida. Not all intestinal

problems involve candida, so since you claim to know so much about it you should

have realized that those of us who were either cured or had our symptoms

improved with sweet potatoes or rice probably did NOT have candida. As I said,

my own problem was ulcerative cholitis. And if you really knew anything about

nutrition you would know that foods with lots of soluable fiber are extremely

beneficial to the intestines and conditions such as IBS:

http://www.healingwell.com/library/ibs/article.asp?author=vanvorous & id=1

And as far as being argumentative is concerned, you are the one who started it

by contradicting other member's personal experience. Was this because your wife

is sensitive to rice? If so perhaps she has candida. Interesting that you

haven't been able to cure her, yet you feel qualified to prescribe to everyone

else, even after they have discovered their own solutions.

Dee

> >

> > Duncan, I am not disputing peer-reviewed science. You have simply not

presented ANY studies that specifically implicate sweet potatoes or rice in

intestinal problems - in either your inulin references or the paleobioticslab

you refer to. If there were any I'm sure you would have been able to present

those specific studies.

> >

> > Dee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's probably true - which is why I don't eat them all on the same day

:-). Once a day is enough to keep me regular. The rest of the day is protein,

fat, and low carb veggies. At least that's what works for me. I think we all

have to find our own way through trial and error.

Best,

Dee

> >

> > I have ulcerative colitis, and no carbs is the only diet to go.

>

> I have no sensitivity to any food, but starch dysregulates my appetite and

causes sugar cravings. If I eat grains, dried beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes,

etc. on a regular basis, I start gaining about two pounds a week.

>

[Guest guest]

Tilu as a rule people with dysbiosis/Crohn's/colitis/IBS have to low-carb. A few

don't and they would be the exceptions. In addition to feeding pathogenic bowel

bacteria, dietary carb meals increase oxidative stress, which statistically

increases risk of death from inflammatory illnesses, so carb meals and snacks

aren't a good idea for longevity even in absence of bowel disease.

<http://nutrition.tufts.edu/faculty/publications/acute-effects-dietary-glycemic-\

index-antioxidant-capacity-nutrient-controlled-f>

If I was advising you I'd suggest high-inulin foods or adding inulin to the food

to better support probiotic organisms, and undenatured whey and selenium to

better cope with the oxidative stress by increasing glutahtione especially on

the bowel lining, which can be completely depleted of glutathione in bowel

disease. Some of my associates report a better bowel in only ten days than

they'd had in years

all good,

Duncan

>

> I have ulcerative colitis, and no carbs is the only diet to go.

>  

> Tiiu

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dee, the articles probably references candida because many health professionals

contend that candida is ASSUMED to be part of bowel dysbiosis until it's PROVEN

to not be present. Perhaps you were one of the lucky ones, yes, but candida is

always present and is very quick to surface as soon as the pH of the fecal

slurry rises a couple of points as it does in dysbiosis.

Some of the research proposes inflammatory bowel disease cause and aggravation

is linked to bowel dysbiosis, some postulate it's a " prerequisite " .

http://tinyurl.com/inulin-references

I think your argument that seemed on the face of it to be " for sweet potatoes "

is more of a fiber argument than an argument of the form of carbs accompanying

the fiber. People who choose higher-fiber food obviously have less bowel issues.

Argumentative, if you could only understand the gist of what I've been writing

for 10 years, you would note that inulin references support the use of this

soluble fiber to prevent dysbiosis, and that inulin is usually the primary

soluble fiber in the diet.

In other words without looking at the resource site I've put together you might

well think anything you prefer, as is your tendency. The reality is something

different, that I've explored the subject of dysbiosis thoroughly and posted

lots of data.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan, every one of those articles referred to candida. Not all intestinal

problems involve candida, so since you claim to know so much about it you should

have realized that those of us who were either cured or had our symptoms

improved with sweet potatoes or rice probably did NOT have candida. As I said,

my own problem was ulcerative cholitis. And if you really knew anything about

nutrition you would know that foods with lots of soluable fiber are extremely

beneficial to the intestines and conditions such as IBS:

[Guest guest]

>>

> I think your argument that seemed on the face of it to be " for sweet potatoes "

is more of a fiber argument than an argument of the form of carbs accompanying

the fiber. People who choose higher-fiber food obviously have less bowel issues.

Duncan, all of those high fiber foods, especially those containing soluble

fiber, are accompanied by carbs, so if you eliminate ALL carbs (as you seemed to

be suggesting) then you will lose the benefits of the fiber.

>

> In other words without looking at the resource site I've put together you

might well >think anything you prefer, as is your tendency. The reality is

something different, that >I've explored the subject of dysbiosis thoroughly and

posted lots of data.

Oh, I've been to your resource site Duncan, and listened to your repeated

promotion of inulin, which is not a food but is a refined substance that has

been removed from real food and turned into a chemical. Promoting foods

containing inulin is one thing, while promoting an inulin product is quite

another. And if it is really such a " cure " (you have repeatedly said that you

don't have to take it forever as you claim you must if taking probiotics) then

why has your wife not been cured? Obviously she still suffers from some form of

dysbiosis.

Here is an interesting article regarding inulin:

http://www.naturalnews.com/022356.html

Dee

[Guest guest]

Sometimes a high protein diet isnt the answer to candida problems.  I couldnt

understand why I still had it when I was on a low carb diet and ate all the

'right ' things. 

It turns out I wasnt able to digest the protein, even with enzymes, I had

putrefaction issues, according to some test that came back, and the yeast was

feeding on the undigested protein, so I was advised to eat less of it,

especially more dense meats and eat things like brown rice instead.

So far I do feel better, I havent had all those candida related infections

return, though I know I still have it and am trying different things to get rid

of it completely.

Duncan's advice here was appreciated but I think it just depends on the

individual - we are all different.

Val

________________________________

From: Cody <lecody2001@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Monday, 17 October 2011, 19:51

Subject: Re: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

 

Well Duncan.... I hadn't eaten any rice all summer and I just started back.

Was having a lot of trouble with the IBS issues and now, with the rice, its

going away.. go figure...

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, October 17, 2011 12:13:48 PM

Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

Dee, the research on dysbiosis is a record of many personal experiences, written

by duly qualified individuals. You can twist or fly your own experience any way

you like, dear, for the benefit of impressing other housewives, but you could at

least honour real research with the same degree of credibility you claim for

yourself.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > It's not a high carb diet that's at issue Duncan - only the kind of carbs

>and how they affect the digestive system. I also agree with a mainly low carb

>diet and choose carbs selectively. Sweet potatoes, for example. Years ago I

>cured myself of ulcerative cholitis by eating a sweet potato every day. I came

>up with the idea after reading about an African tribe that ate a LOT of sweet

>potatoes and, as a result, were free of intestinal problems.

> > >

> > > Dee

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have also noticed the weight gain when eating carbs, you mentioned in your

message. I am able to eat some sweet potatoes maybe once a week without problems

(crave them so I eat them sometimes) but eating every day will change the

balance in the body. Same with brown rice. I used to have frequent relapses

with the acute phases in ulcerative colitis, until I realized that in my case

the food is my medicine . So only way to feel well is strict diet.

 

Tiiu

________________________________

From: Stanley <j_alexander_stanley@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:13 PM

Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

 

>

> I have ulcerative colitis, and no carbs is the only diet to go.

I have no sensitivity to any food, but starch dysregulates my appetite and

causes sugar cravings. If I eat grains, dried beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes,

etc. on a regular basis, I start gaining about two pounds a week.