Re: Need help in what formulation of the Vitamin B's to use

[Guest guest]

Not all Brazil nuts are grown in the Amazon Rain forest these days, so not

all the nuts are high in Selenium.

Brazil nuts grown in areas with high-selenium soil can have a whopping 544

mcg of selenium in about 6 nuts, but if grown in low-selenium soil, the

content in the nut is about 10 times

less<http://www.glutenfreeforgood.com/blog/all-about-nuts>

..

Alobar

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Dolores <dgk@...> wrote:

> Alobar,

>

> I'm pretty sure your concerns are unfounded. According to most info in the

> internet, Brazil and other rain forest areas are the primary source of

> Brazil nuts:

>

> http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/guides/nuts.php

>

> quote: Brazil Nuts: Brazil nuts only come from magnificent, large trees

> that grow wild in the Amazon rain forest. Similar to coconut in texture, the

> sweet, rich meat of Brazil nuts is eaten raw or roasted.

>

> http://www.bedemco.com/nuts/brazilnuts.htm

>

> quote: Brazil nut trees grow in the western Amazonian rain forest, in an

> area that covers portions of Brazil, Bolivia and Peru. While much of the

> original production shipped through Brazilian ports, today Bolivia and Peru

> account for more than half the world's processing of Brazil Nuts. One of the

> tallest trees in the tropical jungle, the Brazil nut tree grows to 165 feet

> tall, begins to bear fruit at 30 years old and may live 500 to 800 years.

> The tree is wild; its growth and reproduction is dependent on the complex

> web of ecological relationships of the rain forest. All Brazil nuts are

> natural; efforts to cultivate Brazil nuts in plantations have never been

> successful.

>

> Best,

> Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My grocer couldn't tell me where the Brazil Nuts at his store were from.

all good,

Duncan

>

> > Alobar,

> >

> > I'm pretty sure your concerns are unfounded. According to most info in the

> > internet, Brazil and other rain forest areas are the primary source of

> > Brazil nuts:

> >

> > http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/guides/nuts.php

> >

> > quote: Brazil Nuts: Brazil nuts only come from magnificent, large trees

> > that grow wild in the Amazon rain forest. Similar to coconut in texture, the

> > sweet, rich meat of Brazil nuts is eaten raw or roasted.

> >

> > http://www.bedemco.com/nuts/brazilnuts.htm

> >

> > quote: Brazil nut trees grow in the western Amazonian rain forest, in an

> > area that covers portions of Brazil, Bolivia and Peru. While much of the

> > original production shipped through Brazilian ports, today Bolivia and Peru

> > account for more than half the world's processing of Brazil Nuts. One of the

> > tallest trees in the tropical jungle, the Brazil nut tree grows to 165 feet

> > tall, begins to bear fruit at 30 years old and may live 500 to 800 years.

> > The tree is wild; its growth and reproduction is dependent on the complex

> > web of ecological relationships of the rain forest. All Brazil nuts are

> > natural; efforts to cultivate Brazil nuts in plantations have never been

> > successful.

> >

> > Best,

> > Dee

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alobar,

The Amazon rain forest is also in Boliva:

> > http://www.bedemco.com/nuts/brazilnuts.htm

> >

> > quote: Brazil nut trees grow in the western Amazonian rain forest, in an

> > area that covers portions of Brazil, Bolivia and Peru.

Dee

>

> > Alobar,

> >

> > I'm pretty sure your concerns are unfounded. According to most info in the

> > internet, Brazil and other rain forest areas are the primary source of

> > Brazil nuts:

> >

> > http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/guides/nuts.php

> >

> > quote: Brazil Nuts: Brazil nuts only come from magnificent, large trees

> > that grow wild in the Amazon rain forest. Similar to coconut in texture, the

> > sweet, rich meat of Brazil nuts is eaten raw or roasted.

> >

> > http://www.bedemco.com/nuts/brazilnuts.htm

> >

> > quote: Brazil nut trees grow in the western Amazonian rain forest, in an

> > area that covers portions of Brazil, Bolivia and Peru. While much of the

> > original production shipped through Brazilian ports, today Bolivia and Peru

> > account for more than half the world's processing of Brazil Nuts. One of the

> > tallest trees in the tropical jungle, the Brazil nut tree grows to 165 feet

> > tall, begins to bear fruit at 30 years old and may live 500 to 800 years.

> > The tree is wild; its growth and reproduction is dependent on the complex

> > web of ecological relationships of the rain forest. All Brazil nuts are

> > natural; efforts to cultivate Brazil nuts in plantations have never been

> > successful.

> >

> > Best,

> > Dee

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan and Alobar,

Obviously the nuts are imported by American and Canadian companies before being

sold to the individual outlets. So unless they do their own research they may

not know the original source. According to what I have found on the internet

they can only grow in the areas of the Amazon rain forest.

Dee

> >

> > > Alobar,

> > >

> > > I'm pretty sure your concerns are unfounded. According to most info in the

> > > internet, Brazil and other rain forest areas are the primary source of

> > > Brazil nuts:

> > >

> > > http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/guides/nuts.php

> > >

> > > quote: Brazil Nuts: Brazil nuts only come from magnificent, large trees

> > > that grow wild in the Amazon rain forest. Similar to coconut in texture,

the

> > > sweet, rich meat of Brazil nuts is eaten raw or roasted.

> > >

> > > http://www.bedemco.com/nuts/brazilnuts.htm

> > >

> > > quote: Brazil nut trees grow in the western Amazonian rain forest, in an

> > > area that covers portions of Brazil, Bolivia and Peru. While much of the

> > > original production shipped through Brazilian ports, today Bolivia and

Peru

> > > account for more than half the world's processing of Brazil Nuts. One of

the

> > > tallest trees in the tropical jungle, the Brazil nut tree grows to 165

feet

> > > tall, begins to bear fruit at 30 years old and may live 500 to 800 years.

> > > The tree is wild; its growth and reproduction is dependent on the complex

> > > web of ecological relationships of the rain forest. All Brazil nuts are

> > > natural; efforts to cultivate Brazil nuts in plantations have never been

> > > successful.

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > Dee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

from wikipedia:

Brazil nut trees produce fruit almost exclusively in pristine forests, as

disturbed forests lack the large-body bees of the genera Bombus, Centris,

Epicharis, Eulaema, and Xylocopa which are the only ones capable of pollinating

the tree's flowers.[2][3] Brazil nuts have been harvested from plantations but

production is low and it is currently not economically viable.[4][5][6]

> > >

> > > > Alobar,

> > > >

> > > > I'm pretty sure your concerns are unfounded. According to most info in

the

> > > > internet, Brazil and other rain forest areas are the primary source of

> > > > Brazil nuts:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/guides/nuts.php

> > > >

> > > > quote: Brazil Nuts: Brazil nuts only come from magnificent, large trees

> > > > that grow wild in the Amazon rain forest. Similar to coconut in texture,

the

> > > > sweet, rich meat of Brazil nuts is eaten raw or roasted.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.bedemco.com/nuts/brazilnuts.htm

> > > >

> > > > quote: Brazil nut trees grow in the western Amazonian rain forest, in an

> > > > area that covers portions of Brazil, Bolivia and Peru. While much of the

> > > > original production shipped through Brazilian ports, today Bolivia and

Peru

> > > > account for more than half the world's processing of Brazil Nuts. One of

the

> > > > tallest trees in the tropical jungle, the Brazil nut tree grows to 165

feet

> > > > tall, begins to bear fruit at 30 years old and may live 500 to 800

years.

> > > > The tree is wild; its growth and reproduction is dependent on the

complex

> > > > web of ecological relationships of the rain forest. All Brazil nuts are

> > > > natural; efforts to cultivate Brazil nuts in plantations have never been

> > > > successful.

> > > >

> > > > Best,

> > > > Dee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

one more quote from wiki:

Around 20,000 tons of Brazil nuts are harvested each year, of which Bolivia

accounts for about 50%, Brazil 40% and Peru 10% (2000 estimates).[9] In 1980,

annual production was around 40,000 tons per year from Brazil alone, and in 1970

Brazil harvested a reported 104,487 tons of nuts

> > > >

> > > > > Alobar,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm pretty sure your concerns are unfounded. According to most info in

the

> > > > > internet, Brazil and other rain forest areas are the primary source of

> > > > > Brazil nuts:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/guides/nuts.php

> > > > >

> > > > > quote: Brazil Nuts: Brazil nuts only come from magnificent, large

trees

> > > > > that grow wild in the Amazon rain forest. Similar to coconut in

texture, the

> > > > > sweet, rich meat of Brazil nuts is eaten raw or roasted.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.bedemco.com/nuts/brazilnuts.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > quote: Brazil nut trees grow in the western Amazonian rain forest, in

an

> > > > > area that covers portions of Brazil, Bolivia and Peru. While much of

the

> > > > > original production shipped through Brazilian ports, today Bolivia and

Peru

> > > > > account for more than half the world's processing of Brazil Nuts. One

of the

> > > > > tallest trees in the tropical jungle, the Brazil nut tree grows to 165

feet

> > > > > tall, begins to bear fruit at 30 years old and may live 500 to 800

years.

> > > > > The tree is wild; its growth and reproduction is dependent on the

complex

> > > > > web of ecological relationships of the rain forest. All Brazil nuts

are

> > > > > natural; efforts to cultivate Brazil nuts in plantations have never

been

> > > > > successful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best,

> > > > > Dee

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Do you *really* trust Wikipedia? For me, it is good as a jumping off place

for me to do my own web research, but is, by itself, untrustworthy and

highly biased.

Alobar

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote:

> from wikipedia:

>

> Brazil nut trees produce fruit almost exclusively in pristine forests, as

> disturbed forests lack the large-body bees of the genera Bombus, Centris,

> Epicharis, Eulaema, and Xylocopa which are the only ones capable of

> pollinating the tree's flowers.[2][3] Brazil nuts have been harvested from

> plantations but production is low and it is currently not economically

> viable.[4][5][6]

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, except for a few pages dealing with really contentious ideas like

evolution or climate where the anti evolutionist/climate changers try to

sabotage them, or where Colbert has encouraged his followers' to muck

them up, Wikipedia is pretty reliable. The only other pages I would want to

really check up on are bio pages on living [or the very recent dead] people

because everyone wants to be seen in a good light. Most everything else is

pretty safe and I bet if you really want to know, a deep search would back up

most everything you read on Wikipedia.

ps... Everything you read is going to be biased in one way or the other because

we are human and we are biased and subjective, we are not robots, nor can we be

100% logical and objective.

C.

________________________________

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, October 14, 2011 1:12:30 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

Do you *really* trust Wikipedia? For me, it is good as a jumping off place

for me to do my own web research, but is, by itself, untrustworthy and

highly biased.

Alobar

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote:

> from wikipedia:

>

> Brazil nut trees produce fruit almost exclusively in pristine forests, as

> disturbed forests lack the large-body bees of the genera Bombus, Centris,

> Epicharis, Eulaema, and Xylocopa which are the only ones capable of

> pollinating the tree's flowers.[2][3] Brazil nuts have been harvested from

> plantations but production is low and it is currently not economically

> viable.[4][5][6]

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-10-14 3:55 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Actually, except for a few pages dealing with really contentious ideas like

> evolution or climate where the anti evolutionist/climate changers try to

> sabotage them, or where Colbert has encouraged his followers' to

> muck

> them up, Wikipedia is pretty reliable.

You would be wrong.

There are a *lot* of topics that are absolutely 'controlled' by the

power brokers on wikipedia, and natural health is one of them. As

Alobar, said, it is a good *starting* place, but far from the last word

on *anything*.

[Guest guest]

Perhaps then, you should write a few articles for Wikipedia on any subjects that

you are competent in to make sure that your side is heard. It is open to

anyone, except Colbert, I think he has been barred.

C.

________________________________

From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, October 14, 2011 4:04:06 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

On 2011-10-14 3:55 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Actually, except for a few pages dealing with really contentious ideas like

> evolution or climate where the anti evolutionist/climate changers try to

> sabotage them, or where Colbert has encouraged his followers' to

> muck

> them up, Wikipedia is pretty reliable.

You would be wrong.

There are a *lot* of topics that are absolutely 'controlled' by the

power brokers on wikipedia, and natural health is one of them. As

Alobar, said, it is a good *starting* place, but far from the last word

on *anything*.

[Guest guest]

Rice feeds bowel dysbiosis and candida, diabetes, lipidemia, metabolic syndrome,

advanced glycation end products, and most of the inflammatory disorders

including IBS crohn's and arthritis. You might have been one of the lucky ones

but my doctor said 80% of the population is thus affected through bad diet.

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> I think rice is fine, too, though I don't eat white rice. In the first year I

started to clean up my diet and eat right, I drank a gallon of alkalized water a

day and ate alot of vegetable and rice skillets. I ate other things, too, but

skillets were my staple and that year my body detoxed a great deal. So if rice

is bad, I don't think my body could have detoxed like that considering how much

rice I was eating.

>

> Coconut Oil

> From: lecody2001@...

> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 04:10:49 -0700

> Subject: Re: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Most, but not all, nutritionists are trained in the SAD diet [standard

american

>

> diet], which, if you have noticed, isn't very healthy. Best to check out the

>

> paleo diet. Basically, lots of fresh vegetables, a little fruit, lean meat,

>

> nuts and good fats like butter and coconut oil. Stay away from grains.

>

> Personally I think rice is ok, but many diehards say no grains at all.

>

>

>

> C.

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: " leiranda@... " <leiranda@...>

>

> Coconut Oil

>

> Sent: Sat, October 8, 2011 8:48:52 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

>

> Vitamin B's to use

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

>

>

> I thank everyone very much for trying to help me with a good, but not

>

> excessive, Vitamin B formulation. My son is almost 28 and is interested in

>

> good nutrition, but not to the point of going to a nutritionist (although

>

> maybe he should consider that). I will let him know what the consensus told

me

>

>

>

> to do and I appreciate everyone's input.

>

>

>

> Thank you.

>

>

>

> Iris

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trouble is the teenage wanks on WIKIpedia don't know anything but have been

raised in many cases to admin status. They just keep changing the text back to

what they want to see and the behaviour tires many honest contributors out.

all good,

Duncan

> > Actually, except for a few pages dealing with really contentious ideas like

> > evolution or climate where the anti evolutionist/climate changers try to

> > sabotage them, or where Colbert has encouraged his followers' to

> > muck

> > them up, Wikipedia is pretty reliable.

>

> You would be wrong.

>

> There are a *lot* of topics that are absolutely 'controlled' by the

> power brokers on wikipedia, and natural health is one of them. As

> Alobar, said, it is a good *starting* place, but far from the last word

> on *anything*.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have never heard complaints on that...

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, October 14, 2011 10:43:18 PM

Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

Trouble is the teenage wanks on WIKIpedia don't know anything but have been

raised in many cases to admin status. They just keep changing the text back to

what they want to see and the behaviour tires many honest contributors out.

all good,

Duncan

> > Actually, except for a few pages dealing with really contentious ideas like

> > evolution or climate where the anti evolutionist/climate changers try to

> > sabotage them, or where Colbert has encouraged his followers' to

> > muck

> > them up, Wikipedia is pretty reliable.

>

> You would be wrong.

>

> There are a *lot* of topics that are absolutely 'controlled' by the

> power brokers on wikipedia, and natural health is one of them. As

> Alobar, said, it is a good *starting* place, but far from the last word

> on *anything*.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-10-14 7:26 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Perhaps then, you should write a few articles for Wikipedia on any

> subjects that you are competent in to make sure that your side is

> heard. It is open to anyone, except Colbert, I think he has been

> barred.

It doesn't work like that... 'they' have armies of editors that make

sure only their side is heard.

[Guest guest]

you would say this is true of even brown rice?

For the white rice eaters...has there been any research from Japan where

it is difficult to obtain brown rice...and the majority of people eat white rice

3 times a day...wondering if there is research from there.

d

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:39 PM

Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

 

Rice feeds bowel dysbiosis and candida, diabetes, lipidemia, metabolic syndrome,

advanced glycation end products, and most of the inflammatory disorders

including IBS crohn's and arthritis. You might have been one of the lucky ones

but my doctor said 80% of the population is thus affected through bad diet.

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> I think rice is fine, too, though I don't eat white rice. In the first year I

started to clean up my diet and eat right, I drank a gallon of alkalized water a

day and ate alot of vegetable and rice skillets. I ate other things, too, but

skillets were my staple and that year my body detoxed a great deal. So if rice

is bad, I don't think my body could have detoxed like that considering how much

rice I was eating.

>

> Coconut Oil

> From: lecody2001@...

> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 04:10:49 -0700

> Subject: Re: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Most, but not all, nutritionists are trained in the SAD diet [standard

american

>

> diet], which, if you have noticed, isn't very healthy. Best to check out the

>

> paleo diet. Basically, lots of fresh vegetables, a little fruit, lean meat,

>

> nuts and good fats like butter and coconut oil. Stay away from grains.

>

> Personally I think rice is ok, but many diehards say no grains at all.

>

>

>

> C.

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: " leiranda@... " <leiranda@...>

>

> Coconut Oil

>

> Sent: Sat, October 8, 2011 8:48:52 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

>

> Vitamin B's to use

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

>

>

> I thank everyone very much for trying to help me with a good, but not

>

> excessive, Vitamin B formulation. My son is almost 28 and is interested in

>

> good nutrition, but not to the point of going to a nutritionist (although

>

> maybe he should consider that). I will let him know what the consensus told

me

>

>

>

> to do and I appreciate everyone's input.

>

>

>

> Thank you.

>

>

>

> Iris

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Below are a few reasons I do not trust Wikipedia.

Alobar

Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia

Ofqual said putting keywords into internet search engines was a “good

starting point” when researching pieces of coursework and dissertations.

But guidance sent out to schoolchildren in England warns pupils to be

extremely wary when using other websites such as Wikipedia.

The on-line encyclopaedia – created using contributions from readers – was

not “authoritative or accurate” and in some cases “may be completely

untrue”, said Ofqual.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/6943325/Schoolchildren-told-to-avoid-Wikipe\

dia.html

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As I had never before heard of Ofqual, I googled it & found

http://www.ofqual.gov.uk/

Note the " .gov.uk " in the web address. So not some crank organization.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Exposed: Wikipedia Holds Bias against Natural Health

(NaturalNews) In an article by the watchdog group Alliance for Natural

Health (ANH), Wikipedia entries for alternative and natural medicine are

shown to consistently have severe censorship, misinformation, and vandalism.

Since Wikipedia is an extremely popular reference site on the internet with

over 16 million articles, this bias towards conventional medicine negatively

affects the accessibility of accurate natural health information.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029939_Wikipedia_bias.html

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, May 3, 2010

Widespread Condemnation of Wikipedia Bias

Readers Report Suppression of Nutritional Medicine

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n16.shtml

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Wikipedia Doesn't Like Me ...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Saturday, January 2nd, 2010

Wikipedia's General Counsel, Mike Godwin, is sending me nasty emails.

Apparently he doesn't like me telling people how bad Wikipedia actually is,

and he definitely doesn't want me telling you what to do about it - when it

effects you personally. He actually, the other day, said I " was trying to

destroy Wikipedia... "

Critics like Oliver Kamm of the London Times said in his November 25, 2009

article:

" The persistent decline in the number of Wikipedia editors may signal the

end of the dominance of a remarkable online resource. It cannot happen too

soon. Wikipedia is routinely cited in online articles as a substitute for

explanations of concepts, events and people. It has thereby coarsened public

culture. It is an anti-intellectual venture to its core.

Knowledge is democratic in the sense that no one has the right to claim the

last word. Wikipedia is democratic in the different and corrosive sense that

anyone can join in regardless of competence.

Every editor’s contribution is of equal value. That is an affront to the

notion of disinterested intellectual inquiry. What Wikipedia prizes is not

greater approximations to truth but a greater degree of consensus.

hat ethos undermines Wikipedia in principle as a reference source. There are

many Wikipedia articles that are scrupulous, balanced and fair treatments of

their subjects. But these are liable to be overthrown at any time by an

editor with an idée fixe and an empty life.

The default position of Wikipedia is to leave editors to sort it out among

themselves. The loudest voices and most obsessive contributors become the

arbiters of truth.

he periodic scandals that have afflicted Wikipedia are not accidents: its

culture invites them. A supposed theology expert turned out to be a

fantasist in his mid-20s. Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia, declared that

this impostor had “been thoughtful and contrite about the entire matter, and

I consider it settled”.

It clearly didn’t occur to Mr Wales that claiming knowledge you don’t have

and have never worked for is wrong. Wikipedia stands for vainglorious

amateurism: it will be an easy act to follow. "

http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/feature_article088.htm

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

How the facts aren’t welcome on Wikipedia when you challenge the interests

of the multi-billion dollar drug industry

Between February 2008 and April 2009, aided by some willing assistants, we

attempted to correct some of the key factual errors and blatantly biased

statements in the Wikipedia article on Dr. Rath. It proved to be an

eye-opening experience.

On many occasions our efforts were reversed within hours – and sometimes

within minutes. This was even the case when our edits were completely

consistent with Wikipedia’s core rules, such as the requirement to be based

upon reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for

fact-checking and accuracy.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/wiki_rath/how_the_facts_arent_\

welcome_on_wikipedia.html

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Actually, except for a few pages dealing with really contentious ideas like

> evolution or climate where the anti evolutionist/climate changers try to

> sabotage them, or where Colbert has encouraged his followers' to

> muck

> them up, Wikipedia is pretty reliable. The only other pages I would want

> to

> really check up on are bio pages on living [or the very recent dead] people

> because everyone wants to be seen in a good light. Most everything else is

> pretty safe and I bet if you really want to know, a deep search would back

> up

> most everything you read on Wikipedia.

>

>

> ps... Everything you read is going to be biased in one way or the other

> because

> we are human and we are biased and subjective, we are not robots, nor can

> we be

> 100% logical and objective.

>

>

> C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hardly anybody trusts the new and novel, at first.

________________________________

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, October 15, 2011 8:17:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

Below are a few reasons I do not trust Wikipedia.

Alobar

Schoolchildren told to avoid Wikipedia

Ofqual said putting keywords into internet search engines was a “good

starting point†when researching pieces of coursework and dissertations.

But guidance sent out to schoolchildren in England warns pupils to be

extremely wary when using other websites such as Wikipedia.

The on-line encyclopaedia – created using contributions from readers – was

not “authoritative or accurate†and in some cases “may be completely

untrueâ€, said Ofqual.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/6943325/Schoolchildren-told-to-avoid-Wikipe\

dia.html

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As I had never before heard of Ofqual, I googled it & found

http://www.ofqual.gov.uk/

Note the " .gov.uk " in the web address. So not some crank organization.

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Exposed: Wikipedia Holds Bias against Natural Health

(NaturalNews) In an article by the watchdog group Alliance for Natural

Health (ANH), Wikipedia entries for alternative and natural medicine are

shown to consistently have severe censorship, misinformation, and vandalism.

Since Wikipedia is an extremely popular reference site on the internet with

over 16 million articles, this bias towards conventional medicine negatively

affects the accessibility of accurate natural health information.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029939_Wikipedia_bias.html

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Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, May 3, 2010

Widespread Condemnation of Wikipedia Bias

Readers Report Suppression of Nutritional Medicine

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n16.shtml

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Wikipedia Doesn't Like Me ...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Saturday, January 2nd, 2010

Wikipedia's General Counsel, Mike Godwin, is sending me nasty emails.

Apparently he doesn't like me telling people how bad Wikipedia actually is,

and he definitely doesn't want me telling you what to do about it - when it

effects you personally. He actually, the other day, said I " was trying to

destroy Wikipedia... "

Critics like Oliver Kamm of the London Times said in his November 25, 2009

article:

" The persistent decline in the number of Wikipedia editors may signal the

end of the dominance of a remarkable online resource. It cannot happen too

soon. Wikipedia is routinely cited in online articles as a substitute for

explanations of concepts, events and people. It has thereby coarsened public

culture. It is an anti-intellectual venture to its core.

Knowledge is democratic in the sense that no one has the right to claim the

last word. Wikipedia is democratic in the different and corrosive sense that

anyone can join in regardless of competence.

Every editor’s contribution is of equal value. That is an affront to the

notion of disinterested intellectual inquiry. What Wikipedia prizes is not

greater approximations to truth but a greater degree of consensus.

hat ethos undermines Wikipedia in principle as a reference source. There are

many Wikipedia articles that are scrupulous, balanced and fair treatments of

their subjects. But these are liable to be overthrown at any time by an

editor with an idée fixe and an empty life.

The default position of Wikipedia is to leave editors to sort it out among

themselves. The loudest voices and most obsessive contributors become the

arbiters of truth.

he periodic scandals that have afflicted Wikipedia are not accidents: its

culture invites them. A supposed theology expert turned out to be a

fantasist in his mid-20s. Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia, declared that

this impostor had “been thoughtful and contrite about the entire matter, and

I consider it settledâ€.

It clearly didn’t occur to Mr Wales that claiming knowledge you don’t have

and have never worked for is wrong. Wikipedia stands for vainglorious

amateurism: it will be an easy act to follow. "

http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/feature_article088.htm

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How the facts aren’t welcome on Wikipedia when you challenge the interests

of the multi-billion dollar drug industry

Between February 2008 and April 2009, aided by some willing assistants, we

attempted to correct some of the key factual errors and blatantly biased

statements in the Wikipedia article on Dr. Rath. It proved to be an

eye-opening experience.

On many occasions our efforts were reversed within hours – and sometimes

within minutes. This was even the case when our edits were completely

consistent with Wikipedia’s core rules, such as the requirement to be based

upon reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for

fact-checking and accuracy.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/wiki_rath/how_the_facts_arent_\

welcome_on_wikipedia.html

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On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Actually, except for a few pages dealing with really contentious ideas like

> evolution or climate where the anti evolutionist/climate changers try to

> sabotage them, or where Colbert has encouraged his followers' to

> muck

> them up, Wikipedia is pretty reliable. The only other pages I would want

> to

> really check up on are bio pages on living [or the very recent dead] people

> because everyone wants to be seen in a good light. Most everything else is

> pretty safe and I bet if you really want to know, a deep search would back

> up

> most everything you read on Wikipedia.

>

>

> ps... Everything you read is going to be biased in one way or the other

> because

> we are human and we are biased and subjective, we are not robots, nor can

> we be

> 100% logical and objective.

>

>

> C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's true for carbohydrate foods, and rice, even brown rice, and other grains,

even whole grains and exotic seed grains. They are carb-storage vehicles. I

don't know about Japan, but 80% of North Americans have bowel issues related to

their high-carb diets, and a low-carb diet usually saves their hides.

The research in Japan would have to have been conducted pre-radiation to be

useful. This year, they are poisoning themselves and each other with radioactive

cesium.

all good,

Duncan

>

> you would say this is true of even brown rice?

> For the white rice eaters...has there been any research from Japan where

> it is difficult to obtain brown rice...and the majority of people eat white

rice 3 times a day...wondering if there is research from there.

> d

>

[Guest guest]

Or the biased WIKI trolls.

all good,

Duncan

>

> > Actually, except for a few pages dealing with really contentious ideas like

> > evolution or climate where the anti evolutionist/climate changers try to

> > sabotage them, or where Colbert has encouraged his followers' to

> > muck

> > them up, Wikipedia is pretty reliable. The only other pages I would want

> > to

> > really check up on are bio pages on living [or the very recent dead] people

> > because everyone wants to be seen in a good light. Most everything else is

> > pretty safe and I bet if you really want to know, a deep search would back

> > up

> > most everything you read on Wikipedia.

> >

> >

> > ps... Everything you read is going to be biased in one way or the other

> > because

> > we are human and we are biased and subjective, we are not robots, nor can

> > we be

> > 100% logical and objective.

> >

> >

> > C.

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan,

I'm wondering how Kirkland multivites fit into your supplement/nutritional

planning. I could find little information about them and am wondering what you

may know about them that isn't readily published. I'm currently taking a

high-priced multi vitamin/mineral from Life Extension. I would love to get my

costs down if possible. Anything you can share would be most appreciated.

Hope you and Jo are well.

Love and Laughter,

Anne Zipkes

Hot Springs, AR

501-760-2082

Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

I follow Alobar's logic in that because most of the b-vitamins in a supplement

are far too low, some 20 times too low, I use two Kirkland multivites daily

instead of one, and when I don't have those I use a b-50 twice a day.

all good,

Duncan

> > Thank you both for your e-mails, but what I really want to know is if

> > anyone knows of Vitamin B brand(s) that don't have excessive amounts of

Vitamin

> > B in them.

> >

> > Thank you very much.

> >

> > Iris

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Brazil Nut butter for Canadians who can't chew nuts thoroughly

http://www.upayanaturals.com/LRF_Brazil_Nut_Butter_Raw_Organic_8_oz_p/lrf-0006.h\

tm

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> Has anyone found a good price on brazil nuts somewhere? I don't eat many

because they are so expensive, but I like them and would like to have them more

often.

>

> Lyn

>

[Guest guest]

I only use Kirklands multivitamin right now Anne because my father did some

shopping at Costco and gave me one. I don't like it as it contains USP minerals

and I wouldn't buy it as I don't use a multivitamin preparation anyway. I use

Shilajit and fulvic/humic acids for mineral.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan,

>

> I'm wondering how Kirkland multivites fit into your supplement/nutritional

planning. I could find little information about them and am wondering what you

may know about them that isn't readily published. I'm currently taking a

high-priced multi vitamin/mineral from Life Extension. I would love to get my

costs down if possible. Anything you can share would be most appreciated.

>

> Hope you and Jo are well.

>

> Love and Laughter,

> Anne Zipkes

> Hot Springs, AR

> 501-760-2082

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

Since the original poster (message #38271) to whom you replied said that

consuming lots of brown rice skillets contributed to her improved health, don't

you think your opinion might need revising? Here is an alternate (to yours)

opinion:

http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/HealYourGut.html

quote: " Foods That Discourage Fermentation (good)

The following foods are helpful when one has a fermentation problem: Complex

carbohydrates (e.g. brown rice, buckwheat, popcorn, rice cakes), vegetables,

cranberries and blueberries (non-sweet fruit), Lingonberries (red sour small

berries), no sugar soy milk, Aloe Juice, no sugar yogurt, goat yogurt, Keifer

milk, cheese, milk, tomatoes, peppers, sesame-seed paste, pocono buckwheat,

hominy grits (white corn grits), squashes are excellent, olives (black and

green, not from metal can, w/o sulfite preservative), goat feta cheese is

excellent (not cow feta), potatoes in small quantities, brown rice is excellent,

millet is ok most of the time, small amounts of turkey (possibly with digestive

aids), fish, flax oil, olive and weight-lifters MCT oils (caprylate +

gammalinolenate), and Rutabagas (good against Candida). One can use Alanine or

Stevia for sweeteners. "

And then of course (pre-radiation)the Japanese life expectancy was the highest

in the world:

http://www.naturalelixir.com/longlife.html

quote: " In his book " At The Japanese Table " , Lesley Downer, an English expert on

Japanese cuisine, introduces us to the secrets of Japanese cookery, which is

based on half-raw sea fish, RICE, miso (paste from fermented soybeans used as

seasoning in soups), tofu and specially cultivated seaweeds. "

Dee

> >

> > you would say this is true of even brown rice?

> > For the white rice eaters...has there been any research from Japan where

> > it is difficult to obtain brown rice...and the majority of people eat white

rice 3 times a day...wondering if there is research from there.

> > d

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I get mine from nutsonline.com

1 lb. of Brazil Nuts in shell is $5.99 and shelled is $9.99. However, since you

only need about 2 a day they last a long time.

Dee

> >

> >

> > Has anyone found a good price on brazil nuts somewhere? I don't eat many

because they are so expensive, but I like them and would like to have them more

often.

> >

> > Lyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this article, Dee. I will add about my diet, that I also eat

popcorn slathered with coconut oil, lemon pepper and salt,(YUM) alot of rice

cakes, couscous and amaranth. These never caused me problems. It is only when I

tried to introduce things like rye and pearled barley (I made that into a sour

dough bread) that I began to have trouble again. So there are certain good

grains and certain grains that are not good for us to eat.

Coconut Oil

Duncan,

Since the original poster (message #38271) to whom you replied said that

consuming lots of brown rice skillets contributed to her improved health, don't

you think your opinion might need revising? Here is an alternate (to yours)

opinion:

http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/HealYourGut.html

quote: " Foods That Discourage Fermentation (good)

The following foods are helpful when one has a fermentation problem: Complex

carbohydrates (e.g. brown rice, buckwheat, popcorn, rice cakes), vegetables,

cranberries and blueberries (non-sweet fruit), Lingonberries (red sour small

berries), no sugar soy milk, Aloe Juice, no sugar yogurt, goat yogurt, Keifer

milk, cheese, milk, tomatoes, peppers, sesame-seed paste, pocono buckwheat,

hominy grits (white corn grits), squashes are excellent, olives (black and

green, not from metal can, w/o sulfite preservative), goat feta cheese is

excellent (not cow feta), potatoes in small quantities, brown rice is excellent,

millet is ok most of the time, small amounts of turkey (possibly with digestive

aids), fish, flax oil, olive and weight-lifters MCT oils (caprylate +

gammalinolenate), and Rutabagas (good against Candida). One can use Alanine or

Stevia for sweeteners. "

And then of course (pre-radiation)the Japanese life expectancy was the highest

in the world:

http://www.naturalelixir.com/longlife.html

quote: " In his book " At The Japanese Table " , Lesley Downer, an English expert on

Japanese cuisine, introduces us to the secrets of Japanese cookery, which is

based on half-raw sea fish, RICE, miso (paste from fermented soybeans used as

seasoning in soups), tofu and specially cultivated seaweeds. "

Dee

> >

> > you would say this is true of even brown rice?

> > For the white rice eaters...has there been any research from Japan where

> > it is difficult to obtain brown rice...and the majority of people eat white

rice 3 times a day...wondering if there is research from there.

> > d

> >

>