Re: Need help in what formulation of the Vitamin B's to use

[Guest guest]

Iris,

I don't know what your son's problem is, but I had a damaged lingual

nerve due to a dental injection that was very painful for over 4 years. I

found a product called SupremeB with lithium orotate... it has a very small

amount of this substance.... and after one month the pain had subsided by

over 50%. I stopped taking the product but the pain reduction continued and

now, about a year later, I'm 95% pain free after suffering for over 4 years.

It can be purchased at mynaturalhealthteam.com or simply google it. Good

luck.

Bob

Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

> Hello,

> My son was told to take extra B vitamins to help his nervous system. I

> bought a bottle of Solgar's B-complex " 50 " and then I realized that it

> contains an excessive amount of the vitamin for some of the B's. I did

> some research on line and found that indeed many of the formulations for

> sale contain much to much of the vitamins and could cause negative side

> effects. So does any one out there know what formulation is best and what

> brand sells it? This has proved very confusing for me so any help will be

> appreciated. Thank you very much.

>

> Iris

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-10-04 4:52 PM, tannerthebunny <leiranda@...> wrote:

> My son was told to take extra B vitamins to help his nervous system.

The best sources of B vitamins that I know of are fresh bee pollen, and

beef liver - one reason that both are part of my diet for a long time. I

also take dessicated liver powder, thymus powder and adrenal powder to

get extra vitamins and protein in a quick, easy method (I make my own

capsules for convenience)...

[Guest guest]

Thank you both for your e-mails, but what I really want to know is if

anyone knows of Vitamin B brand(s) that don't have excessive amounts of Vitamin

B in them.

Thank you very much.

Iris

[Guest guest]

I really like Dr. Mercola's Whole food multivitamins - they have the good forms

of the vitamins and not too much of them...I don't think he has a B complex on

its own. search on www.mercola.com Last I checked they were out of stock, but

hopefully will be back in soon.

Liz

>

> Thank you both for your e-mails, but what I really want to know is if

> anyone knows of Vitamin B brand(s) that don't have excessive amounts of

Vitamin

> B in them.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> Iris

>

>

[Guest guest]

I find the exact opposite. All th multi vitamins seem to have far

less of many of the B's I need in much larger doses. So I take 2

tablets of a multi meant to be be taken 1 per day, then add more of

the specific B's I need a lot more of.

Exactly which high dose B's are you concerned about?

Alobar

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:49 PM, <leiranda@...> wrote:

> Thank you both for your e-mails, but what I really want to  know is if

> anyone knows of Vitamin B brand(s) that don't have excessive amounts  of

Vitamin

> B in them.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> Iris

>

[Guest guest]

Instead of taking four brewers yeast pills for the b-vitamins, you could take

just one and that would be 1/4 dose. Or, instead of taking a b-100 comnplex

twice a day you could take a b-50 once a day, and that would be 1/4 of a dose.

Some of the stress vitamin b mixes are very low in b-vitamins too.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Thank you both for your e-mails, but what I really want to know is if

> anyone knows of Vitamin B brand(s) that don't have excessive amounts of

Vitamin

> B in them.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> Iris

>

>

[Guest guest]

I follow Alobar's logic in that because most of the b-vitamins in a supplement

are far too low, some 20 times too low, I use two Kirkland multivites daily

instead of one, and when I don't have those I use a b-50 twice a day.

all good,

Duncan

> > Thank you both for your e-mails, but what I really want to  know is if

> > anyone knows of Vitamin B brand(s) that don't have excessive amounts  of

Vitamin

> > B in them.

> >

> > Thank you very much.

> >

> > Iris

> >

>

[Guest guest]

B6 can be toxic in high doses, and some people are esp. senstitive to it (me).

I use the P5P form and have no problem with that, but straight pyroxidine which

is what is in most supplements will make my hands and feet tingle/get numb over

50-100mg per day.

The other ones can't really do any damage...well except maybe niacin I think

(can't remember what the level is on that one).

Liz

> > > Thank you both for your e-mails, but what I really want to  know is if

> > > anyone knows of Vitamin B brand(s) that don't have excessive amounts  of

Vitamin

> > > B in them.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much.

> > >

> > > Iris

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How old is your son?

Greens have lots of B vitamins too...maybe you can find a tasty green drink

(cocoa flavor?) for him.

LIz

>

> Hello,

> My son was told to take extra B vitamins to help his nervous system. I bought

a bottle of Solgar's B-complex " 50 " and then I realized that it contains an

excessive amount of the vitamin for some of the B's. I did some research on line

and found that indeed many of the formulations for sale contain much to much of

the vitamins and could cause negative side effects. So does any one out there

know what formulation is best and what brand sells it? This has proved very

confusing for me so any help will be appreciated. Thank you very much.

>

> Iris

>

[Guest guest]

When I am not so broke, I have been taking 200 mg of B6, twice a day.

This summer I cut back to 200 mg a day. I have been taking high dose

B6 since ~2002. No problems I am aware of.

Life Extension Magazine July 2009

Reports

B6 Vitamers:

Natural Protection Against the Complications of Diabetes and Accelerated Aging

By Julius Goepp, MD

B6 Vitamers

As you read this sentence, a destructive biochemical process known as

glycation is occurring in your body.

Glycation arises when simple sugars react with proteins to generate

protein “cross-links.” These cross-linked proteins are called advanced

glycation end products (AGEs). Cataract development in the lens of the

eye, the drop in kidney function,damage to the delicate endothelial

cell layer of our blood vessels, and the unsightly sagging and

wrinkling of our skin are all examples of glycation.

In addition to protein glycation, many health-conscious people do not

realize that lipid glycation plays an important role in the

development of age-associated complications. In fact, a high rate of

lipid glycation occurs in the plasma of patients with type 2 diabetes.

Since accelerated aging is a hallmark of type 2 diabetes, the cellular

toxicity caused by lipid glycation must be minimized to reduce the

risk of complications of aging as well as diabetes.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jul2009_B6-Vitamers_01.htm

How is your ability to recall your dreams? Quote below from Oxalate

list. Anecdotal, so no no web references. But I can say my level of

dream recall has been enhanced since I started on high intake of B6.

" 'Adequate B6'- I've read that the determinating factor would

be a normal level of dream recall. I never remembered a dream in my

life until I started taking high doses of B6 and P5P (at about the

tender age of 55) "

I also take 1000 mg of Niacinamide once or twice each day. Niacin is

a no-no for those measuring blood glucose because it gives faulty

readings. I was told by a doctor. No-flush niacin is hard on the

liver.

Alobar

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:29 PM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote:

> B6 can be toxic in high doses, and some people are esp. senstitive to it (me).

 I use the P5P form and have no problem with that, but straight pyroxidine which

is what is in most supplements will make my hands and feet tingle/get numb over

50-100mg per day.

>

> The other ones can't really do any damage...well except maybe niacin I think

(can't remember what the level is on that one).

> Liz

>

>

>> > > Thank you both for your e-mails, but what I really want to  know is if

>> > > anyone knows of Vitamin B brand(s) that don't have excessive amounts  of

Vitamin

>> > > B in them.

>> > >

>> > > Thank you very much.

>> > >

>> > > Iris

>> > >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alobar,

You can tolerate high B6, that's great for you. Not everyone can, including me.

I think the issue is that my body cannot convert pyrodoxine into P5P, so it ends

up causing me problems - but I do fine w/ the p5p form of it...not sure how high

a dose, usually just take 50mg. Everyone is different, so it's wise to go

cautiously w/ B6 until you know how your own system handles it.

i do experience more dreams w/ P5P B6. However, I especially noticed a huge

increase in dream activity (after not dreaming much for years) recently when I

took a liquid humic minerals supplemnt for a couple months...the dreams started

within the first week and that was the only thing I had changed - it helps to

pull out metals and toxins. Perhaps it also helped the body assimilate B6 or

something, although I was not taking any supplmental B6 at that time.

Liz

> >> > > Thank you both for your e-mails, but what I really want to  know is if

> >> > > anyone knows of Vitamin B brand(s) that don't have excessive amounts

 of Vitamin

> >> > > B in them.

> >> > >

> >> > > Thank you very much.

> >> > >

> >> > > Iris

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sounds like increasing b's again would be good ...Durk Pearson in his Life

Extension book told us that b12 gives dreams more color. I usually recall my

dreams and when I used b12 I also recalled details like feeling texture and

experiencing smells and flavors in addition to dreaming in vivid color. I think

the b's might enhance lucid dreaming; it feels good to be able to control the

scenes and fly in my dreams

all good,

Duncan

>

> When I am not so broke, I have been taking 200 mg of B6, twice a day.

> This summer I cut back to 200 mg a day. I have been taking high dose

> B6 since ~2002. No problems I am aware of.

>

> Life Extension Magazine July 2009

> Reports

> B6 Vitamers:

> Natural Protection Against the Complications of Diabetes and Accelerated Aging

> By Julius Goepp, MD

> B6 Vitamers

>

> As you read this sentence, a destructive biochemical process known as

> glycation is occurring in your body.

>

> Glycation arises when simple sugars react with proteins to generate

> protein " cross-links. " These cross-linked proteins are called advanced

> glycation end products (AGEs). Cataract development in the lens of the

> eye, the drop in kidney function,damage to the delicate endothelial

> cell layer of our blood vessels, and the unsightly sagging and

> wrinkling of our skin are all examples of glycation.

>

> In addition to protein glycation, many health-conscious people do not

> realize that lipid glycation plays an important role in the

> development of age-associated complications. In fact, a high rate of

> lipid glycation occurs in the plasma of patients with type 2 diabetes.

> Since accelerated aging is a hallmark of type 2 diabetes, the cellular

> toxicity caused by lipid glycation must be minimized to reduce the

> risk of complications of aging as well as diabetes.

>

> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jul2009_B6-Vitamers_01.htm

>

> How is your ability to recall your dreams? Quote below from Oxalate

> list. Anecdotal, so no no web references. But I can say my level of

> dream recall has been enhanced since I started on high intake of B6.

>

> " 'Adequate B6'- I've read that the determinating factor would

> be a normal level of dream recall. I never remembered a dream in my

> life until I started taking high doses of B6 and P5P (at about the

> tender age of 55) "

>

> I also take 1000 mg of Niacinamide once or twice each day. Niacin is

> a no-no for those measuring blood glucose because it gives faulty

> readings. I was told by a doctor. No-flush niacin is hard on the

> liver.

>

> Alobar

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I thank everyone very much for trying to help me with a good, but not

excessive, Vitamin B formulation. My son is almost 28 and is interested in

good nutrition, but not to the point of going to a nutritionist (although

maybe he should consider that). I will let him know what the consensus told me

to do and I appreciate everyone's input.

Thank you.

Iris

[Guest guest]

Most, but not all, nutritionists are trained in the SAD diet [standard american

diet], which, if you have noticed, isn't very healthy. Best to check out the

paleo diet. Basically, lots of fresh vegetables, a little fruit, lean meat,

nuts and good fats like butter and coconut oil. Stay away from grains.

Personally I think rice is ok, but many diehards say no grains at all.

C.

________________________________

From: " leiranda@... " <leiranda@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, October 8, 2011 8:48:52 PM

Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

Hello,

I thank everyone very much for trying to help me with a good, but not

excessive, Vitamin B formulation. My son is almost 28 and is interested in

good nutrition, but not to the point of going to a nutritionist (although

maybe he should consider that). I will let him know what the consensus told me

to do and I appreciate everyone's input.

Thank you.

Iris

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan:

If you keep a dream log, wake up intentionally after each event and

write it down, and generally pay more attention to them, you will

likely amp up your dream experience many fold. At some point, though,

the dream experience and waking life kind of meld into one event, though.

Regards,

Jim

>Sounds like increasing b's again would be good ...Durk Pearson in his

Life Extension book told us that b12 gives dreams more color. I usually

recall my dreams and when I used b12 I also recalled details like

feeling texture and experiencing smells and flavors in addition to

dreaming in vivid color. I think the b's might enhance lucid dreaming;

it feels good to be able to control the scenes and fly in my dreams

all good, <

[Guest guest]

I agree with to look at the Paleo diet. In Taubes' book, Why We get

Fat and What to Do About It, he discusses our over-consumption of grains as the

reason to need any B-supplementation at all. Apparently B vitamins are used in

the metabolism of carbohydrates; so if your diet is low in carbs, you naturally

don't become deficient in B vitamins.

--Leah

>check out the

> paleo diet. Basically, lots of fresh vegetables, a little fruit, lean meat,

> nuts and good fats like butter and coconut oil. Stay away from grains.

[Guest guest]

Someone told me they take Standard Process supplements and said they really

liked them. They say they use real whole foods to make their supplements. Their

B Complex is called 'Cataplex B'. You can buy thru a local health professional

or Amazon.com. I haven't tried Standard Process yet although I'll probably be

getting some of the Cataplex B, good reviews at Amazon.com. Standard Process is

more expensive than most supplements, maybe because they're better quality. I

like the idea of trying these because I've taken supplements since the 80's and

I rarely feel much of anything...so I'm gonna give these a try.

Cataplex B

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=13

Cataplex B at Amazon

http://goo.gl/4SZso

http://www.healthalert.com/

The main health site the person above likes and subscribes to his newsletter. He

also sells Standard Process vites, although Amazon is cheaper by a few dollars

each. She gave me 6 of his recent newsletters and I was impressed with the

information. This might wrankle a few but he says " Selenium is Toxic " . He said

there's never been one conclusive study saying that Selenium prevents Cancer.

How about that? So I tossed out my Selenium!

Take it ez,

>

>

> I agree with to look at the Paleo diet. In Taubes' book, Why We get

Fat and What to Do About It, he discusses our over-consumption of grains as the

reason to need any B-supplementation at all. Apparently B vitamins are used in

the metabolism of carbohydrates; so if your diet is low in carbs, you naturally

don't become deficient in B vitamins.

>

> --Leah

>

> >check out the

> > paleo diet. Basically, lots of fresh vegetables, a little fruit, lean meat,

> > nuts and good fats like butter and coconut oil. Stay away from grains.

>

[Guest guest]

, selenium is an absolutely essential nutrient, necessary for the formation

of glutathione, which is itself used in 200 distinct reactions in the body, for

thyroid health and many other purposes. Like most supplements and some foods,

selenium can be toxic at high doses and inorganic selenium is toxic, but toxic

doses are not given in selenium supplements.

The 3200 mcg selenomethionine used in one toxicity study represents 16 x 200 mcg

pills, way more than one would take as a supplement, and temporary fingernail

deformities were seen. At 1100 mcg daily, tumours shrunk and viral load dropped,

hardly a cause for concern.

Low/depleted glutathione is part of the process of disease and early death, and

unusually high glutathione is always found in humans who make it to 100 years of

age. You have chosen to keep selenium/glutathione perhaps much lower than mine,

while I have made my choice to maintain my glutathione levels and my essential

nutrients in the upper quartile so I can be a healthy senior. Compare notes

later

all good,

Duncan

>I was impressed with the information. This might wrankle a few but he says

" Selenium is Toxic " . He said there's never been one conclusive study saying that

Selenium prevents Cancer. How about that? So I tossed out my Selenium!

>

> Take it ez,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, maybe you could email Dr. West and talk it over with him. He seems like

the kind of person that's just looking for the best & correct answers. Be civil

with the Doc ok? :-) Thanks for your viewpoint.

> >I was impressed with the information. This might wrankle a few but he says

" Selenium is Toxic " . He said there's never been one conclusive study saying that

Selenium prevents Cancer. How about that? So I tossed out my Selenium!

> >

> > Take it ez,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just eat brazil nuts, a couple a day and you'll get all the selenium you need.

: )

Liz

> >I was impressed with the information. This might wrankle a few but he says

" Selenium is Toxic " . He said there's never been one conclusive study saying that

Selenium prevents Cancer. How about that? So I tossed out my Selenium!

> >

> > Take it ez,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone found a good price on brazil nuts somewhere? I don't eat many because

they are so expensive, but I like them and would like to have them more often.

Lyn

Coconut Oil

Just eat brazil nuts, a couple a day and you'll get all the selenium you

need. : )

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Hi :

Standard Process is designed for healthcare professionals and it shows.

Most people can't make heads or tails of them, but health care pros

swear by them. If you understand them, I commend you.

I have read several studies that agree with Duncan's recommendation of

taking selenium. I would say, not so fast and would go back through

your trash can. Enough of just about any raw metal that you look into

is toxic. All in moderation.

Regards,

Jim

Someone told me they take Standard Process supplements and said they

really liked them. They say they use real whole foods to make their

supplements. Their B Complex is called 'Cataplex B'. You can buy thru a

local health professional or Amazon.com. I haven't tried Standard

Process yet although I'll probably be getting some of the Cataplex B,

good reviews at Amazon.com. Standard Process is more expensive than most

supplements, maybe because they're better quality. I like the idea of

trying these because I've taken supplements since the 80's and I rarely

feel much of anything...so I'm gonna give these a try.

Cataplex B

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=13

<http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=13>

Cataplex B at Amazon

http://goo.gl/4SZso <http://goo.gl/4SZso>

http://www.healthalert.com/ <http://www.healthalert.com/>

The main health site the person above likes and subscribes to his

newsletter. He also sells Standard Process vites, although Amazon is

cheaper by a few dollars each. She gave me 6 of his recent newsletters

and I was impressed with the information. This might wrankle a few but

he says " Selenium is Toxic " . He said there's never been one conclusive

study saying that Selenium prevents Cancer. How about that? So I tossed

out my Selenium!

Take it ez,

[Guest guest]

I think rice is fine, too, though I don't eat white rice. In the first year I

started to clean up my diet and eat right, I drank a gallon of alkalized water a

day and ate alot of vegetable and rice skillets. I ate other things, too, but

skillets were my staple and that year my body detoxed a great deal. So if rice

is bad, I don't think my body could have detoxed like that considering how much

rice I was eating.

Coconut Oil

From: lecody2001@...

Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 04:10:49 -0700

Subject: Re: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

Most, but not all, nutritionists are trained in the SAD diet [standard

american

diet], which, if you have noticed, isn't very healthy. Best to check out the

paleo diet. Basically, lots of fresh vegetables, a little fruit, lean meat,

nuts and good fats like butter and coconut oil. Stay away from grains.

Personally I think rice is ok, but many diehards say no grains at all.

C.

________________________________

From: " leiranda@... " <leiranda@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, October 8, 2011 8:48:52 PM

Subject: Re: Need help in what formulation of the

Vitamin B's to use

Hello,

I thank everyone very much for trying to help me with a good, but not

excessive, Vitamin B formulation. My son is almost 28 and is interested in

good nutrition, but not to the point of going to a nutritionist (although

maybe he should consider that). I will let him know what the consensus told me

to do and I appreciate everyone's input.

Thank you.

Iris

[Guest guest]

If Brazil nuts are grown in Selenium rich soils, they do contain healthy

amounts of Selenium. One ounce a day seems like a good amount. However, not

all Brazil nuts are grown in Selenium rich soils. And the folks at Whole

Foods have no clue about the nuts they sell.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:05 AM, lizz7711 <lizz7711@...> wrote:

> Just eat brazil nuts, a couple a day and you'll get all the selenium you

> need. : )

> Liz

>

[Guest guest]

Alobar,

I'm pretty sure your concerns are unfounded. According to most info in the

internet, Brazil and other rain forest areas are the primary source of Brazil

nuts:

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/guides/nuts.php

quote: Brazil Nuts: Brazil nuts only come from magnificent, large trees that

grow wild in the Amazon rain forest. Similar to coconut in texture, the sweet,

rich meat of Brazil nuts is eaten raw or roasted.

http://www.bedemco.com/nuts/brazilnuts.htm

quote: Brazil nut trees grow in the western Amazonian rain forest, in an area

that covers portions of Brazil, Bolivia and Peru. While much of the original

production shipped through Brazilian ports, today Bolivia and Peru account for

more than half the world's processing of Brazil Nuts. One of the tallest trees

in the tropical jungle, the Brazil nut tree grows to 165 feet tall, begins to

bear fruit at 30 years old and may live 500 to 800 years. The tree is wild; its

growth and reproduction is dependent on the complex web of ecological

relationships of the rain forest. All Brazil nuts are natural; efforts to

cultivate Brazil nuts in plantations have never been successful.

Best,

Dee

>

> > Just eat brazil nuts, a couple a day and you'll get all the selenium you

> > need. : )

> > Liz

> >

>

>

>