Re: Whey from soy - NOT! - now HGH amino acid stacking

October 10, 2010

Dee, no, SomaLife gHP is not an MLM product, and yes, it has glowing reports

connected with it. I keep up a page on the premier HGH-releasing amino acid

stack in my HGH references because I believe in it, something like how my

coconut oil references page doesn't actually sell coconut oil. Somalife gHP is

now available in health stores and shopkeepers get it in wholesale lots.

To respond to your vague implication on the merits of cost vs quality, I

remember watching the video that directly compared amino acid quality via a

solubility test in water.

The first sample was dumped in out of the capsules and it sat on top of the

water like styrofoam powder. It is so pure it didn't dissolve at all even with

vigourous stirring. There are only about 3 factories worldwide that refine amino

acids pure enough to pass SomaLife's standards, let alone SomaLife gHP is are

also vegetarian and non-GMO.

The second sample discoloured the water right away with undigested and

semi-digested meat proteins. These impurities limit or prevent the HGH release

through preferential uptake of amino acids that were supposed to be working in

synergy if taken on an empty stomach. So one needs a much larger dose if one

uses tainted amino acids or the wrong dosage or ratio.

Some mixes today are 10-18 grams and back in 1983 I was taking Durk and Sandy's

Power Maker II, which contained 18 grams of arginine. Nuff said. These aren't

really competing products costwise or functionwise at that dose and they lack

syngergy, and I think their lack of success is why some doctors who admitted

they couldn't duplicate the formula later proclaimed " amino acids " don't work.

One of my body builder friends used to blend his own for years, but switched to

and still uses Somalife gHP after 7 years. My family still uses it too, because

we are indeed getting what we paid for

I'm not a distributor by the way but I think $106.50 Canadian per month for

anti-aging is a bargain considering that it helped reverse my wife Jo-Anne's age

by about 8 years since December 2007. Opinions of peoples' opinions the science

vary of course, but I came by mine honestly, with personal experience on myself,

my family and about 70 others I know personally who are still or were until

recently on a Somalife gHP program.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Grumpy,

>

> You can go on the internet and find lots of glowing reviews on SomaLife Ghp

but keep in mind this is an MLM product so before you shell out the big $$$ for

it you might want to check out this website first:

>

http://hghtruths.com/hgh-product-reviews/somalife-ghp-sport-an-hgh-supplement-re\

view/

>

> Best,

> Dee

>

October 11, 2010

Duncan,

Whoa up there buddy - no need to get on your high horse. If you don't benefit

from the sale of SomaLife then you should have no problem with my providing a

link to what I consider a reliable and objective view of Human Growth Hormone

and the products sold as such:

http://hghtruths.com/hgh-product-reviews/somalife-ghp-sport-an-hgh-supplement-re\

view/

The above site not only provides a great deal of information on HGH but

evaluates products based on quality+price. So let's let other members come to

their own conclusions, shall we?

And btw, since when has SomaLife ceased to be an MLM? If that's true it must be

very recent because it is listed as one on the following MLM sites:

http://www.dmoz.org/Business/Opportunities/Networking-MLM/

http://www.opportunityproductions.com/clients.html

quote from above: " 99% of people in Somalife fail due to applying wrong

strategies and tactics. ... visiting our SomaLife version of this document-.

that JoAnn Cuddigan of Santa ... [ www.getfreerepo "

I'm also curious about the statement in your article, " The Straight Goods " , that

<quote> " It's not available in stores in Canada; you buy it directly from the

manufacturer. "

I find that rather strange considering that the SomaLife corporate office is in

Canada.

Dee

>

> Dee, no, SomaLife gHP is not an MLM product, and yes, it has glowing reports

connected with it. I keep up a page on the premier HGH-releasing amino acid

stack in my HGH references because I believe in it, something like how my

coconut oil references page doesn't actually sell coconut oil. Somalife gHP is

now available in health stores and shopkeepers get it in wholesale lots.

>

> To respond to your vague implication on the merits of cost vs quality,

>

>snip>

October 11, 2010

Duncan,

Oh, and saying that you are not a distributor is a bit disingenuous don't you

think? Here are two sales pitches by Duncan Crow I found on the internet:

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage & userid=duncancrow

quote: " To order SomaLife gHP call toll-free: 877-245-7662 and use Duncan Crow

referral ID 14097.

And then there's:

http://www.wiredseniors.com/helpingseniors/answer.asp?id=938 & c=5 & sub=_re_can_one\

_make_money_selling_services_internet_

quote:

" Re: Can one make money selling services on the internet.

Here's a site that makes sure you have the website AND the leads, and puts the

leads on autoresponder. The leads are from people who asked for more information

about starting a business. This is brand-new, launched yesterday, and has a

product half the world needs, that was only patented in the US on Feb 12, 2002.

I joined it myself, yesterday, and bought 400 leads for $25. Here follows my

email signature: SomaLife gHP anti-aging supplement is patented to increase

growth hormones, safely, with no side effects. HGH makes supplements go where

they should; you recover quickly, gain endurance and muscle tone and feel young

again!! See the 21-minute TV news video from ABC News and FOX TV News that

features HGH human growth hormone therapy on http://MySmart.Biz Go to 'join' and

enter passcode 371 to see my official SomaLife pages. In two weeks I had 21

customers and seven distributors under me even without their help.<snip>

Duncan Crow, 1/5/2002

So tell us Duncan - when did you STOP being a distributor?

Dee

> >

> > Hi Grumpy,

> >

> > You can go on the internet and find lots of glowing reviews on SomaLife Ghp

but keep in mind this is an MLM product so before you shell out the big $$$ for

it you might want to check out this website first:

> >

http://hghtruths.com/hgh-product-reviews/somalife-ghp-sport-an-hgh-supplement-re\

view/

> >

> > Best,

> > Dee

> >

>

October 11, 2010

Sorry to disappoint you on your own high horse Dee, but no I don't benefit from

SomaLife gHP except biologically when I take it. I guess the way a company does

business is a real issue with you but it hasn't stopped me.

HGHTruths is not an unbiased source; the fella projects himself as knowledgeable

but alas, he is not.

Unlike you, I have done my homework over the last 10 years and I know the

difference. Let's just leave it at that, OK?

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Dee, no, SomaLife gHP is not an MLM product, and yes, it has glowing reports

connected with it. I keep up a page on the premier HGH-releasing amino acid

stack in my HGH references because I believe in it, something like how my

coconut oil references page doesn't actually sell coconut oil. Somalife gHP is

now available in health stores and shopkeepers get it in wholesale lots.

> >

> > To respond to your vague implication on the merits of cost vs quality,

> >

> >snip>

>

October 11, 2010

Duncan,

I realize this probably comes as shock to someone with your inflated ego but you

aren't the only one in this group who has done their homework for the last 20

years - and is still doing it. The only difference is that your " homework " seems

to have been provided by the MLM's of which you have been a part. And, yes, the

way a company (and its' distributors) does business is an issue with me because

they tend (as you do) to dismiss anyone who challenges their claims - just as

you are doing with HGHTruths - without a shred of evidence to back it up.

Unfortunately Not All Good,

Dee

> >

> > Duncan,

> >

> > Whoa up there buddy - no need to get on your high horse. If you don't

benefit from the sale of SomaLife then you should have no problem with my

providing a link to what I consider a reliable and objective view of Human

Growth Hormone and the products sold as such:

> >

http://hghtruths.com/hgh-product-reviews/somalife-ghp-sport-an-hgh-supplement-re\

view/

> > The above site not only provides a great deal of information on HGH but

evaluates products based on quality+price. So let's let other members come to

their own conclusions, shall we?

> >

> > And btw, since when has SomaLife ceased to be an MLM? If that's true it must

be very recent because it is listed as one on the following MLM sites:

> >

> > http://www.dmoz.org/Business/Opportunities/Networking-MLM/

> >

> > http://www.opportunityproductions.com/clients.html

> > quote from above: " 99% of people in Somalife fail due to applying wrong

strategies and tactics. ... visiting our SomaLife version of this document-.

that JoAnn Cuddigan of Santa ... [ www.getfreerepo "

> >

> > I'm also curious about the statement in your article, " The Straight Goods " ,

that <quote> " It's not available in stores in Canada; you buy it directly from

the manufacturer. "

> > I find that rather strange considering that the SomaLife corporate office

is in Canada.

> >

> > Dee

October 12, 2010

Hello, Duncan and all:

I am asking to enter the discussion of Soma Life/HGH on a constructive note.

Maybe you, Duncan, or others can provide me with insights.

In 1992-3, I went to Basel, Switzerland, to on Dr. Baxus, who was at the

time one of the few people offered HGG injections. I took four injections

of HGH, and also acquired some for my father who was wheel chair bound at

the time.

For my father, the results were amazingly beneficial: he went from wheel

chair to walking (although limited walking) in a very short time. For me,

the results were less than desirable. I grew from 5'7' to 5'9 " in a matte

of weeks and gained about twenty pounds that to this day I fight to get off

and keep off...very uncomfortable, and I have never really felt like " me "

since.

In the early days of Soma Life, (I live in British Columbia) dear friends

who were involved in the early stages of the company, encouraged me to try

SomaLife. They were and are interested in my health and well being..so much

so, that they have always gifted me with Soma Life. I have it in my

cupboard consistently, over the past many years.

This is my question: I feel no effect whatsoever from taking SomaLife: yes,

I realize that I may not be aware of it's' benefits to my body, but there is

nothing that I can recognize, and I am usually sensitive to my body. I can

say the same for any other HGH product that I have tried, and I have tried

many. The only one that I saw a definite impact from was the injections and

that is one that I cannot say that I am personally pleased with. For my

father, it was absolutely wonderful!

Duncan, I realize that from a short note it is difficult to express an

opinion, but any input from your side or others would be appreciated. I

would like to understand why I get no apparent benefit from SomaLife or any

other quality (as far as I can see) product on the market.

Thanks,

Taffy

_____

One of my body builder friends used to blend his own for years, but switched

to and still uses Somalife gHP after 7 years. My family still uses it too,

because we are indeed getting what we paid for

I'm not a distributor by the way but I think $106.50 Canadian per month for

anti-aging is a bargain considering that it helped reverse my wife Jo-Anne's

age by about 8 years since December 2007. Opinions of peoples' opinions the

science vary of course, but I came by mine honestly, with personal

experience on myself, my family and about 70 others I know personally who

are still or were until recently on a Somalife gHP program.

all good,

Duncan

October 12, 2010

Hi Dee, I've critiqued the site HGHTruths several times in the last 10 years and

found that " no evidence " is the underlying theme:

http://HGHTruths.com ...the blog is an opinion piece and the site is a

commercial site. He purports, and I think that's all. Regarding his new

discovery glycine he touts on the first page, it is just one of the HGH

secretagogues and not a very good one by itself.

I think we agree that amino staking is a good secretagogue if it's done right.

How about comparing some HGH increase numbers for the competing products? The

Isidori study gives numbers for the first two ingredients and the Somalife

patent is linked on my site:

http://tinyurl.com/SomaLife-gHP

The patent protects SomaLife gHP from forgery with a pretty wide scope so you

can understand why manufacturers can only skirt the formula that works best and

then double the dosage to get more effect. You can mix your own following the

only patent on the science; it'll give you the bebest start; however, doctors

who did exactly that failed to get the benefit and I think that's what you'll

see too.

Compounds that contain testosterone enhancers and direct growth factors, such as

deer antler velvet, MACA, etc, may make one feel good but they are not in the

same class because they directly interfere with sex hormone levels and are not

HGH enhancers, nor do they purport more than a modest HGH gain over weeks.

We know that clumsy amino stacks and even straight arginine increases HGH but

the effect of 18 grams a day of arginine such as occurs in Durk and Sandy's

Power Maker II can be easily surpassed with a lower-dose stack.

Note that many blends don't profess more than 160% increase of resting HGH over

six weeks, which is not at all the pulsatile release of 500% or better with each

dose that is considered in the research to be required for rebuilding.

The fact that most HGH increasing products either don't work or work marginally

(i.e. not triggering a 500% to 800% HGH increase over resting level) is

precisely why many doctors dismiss the whole amino stacking area and opt for the

reliability of HGH shots.

If you have found a secretagogue that gives decent or maximal HGH release, many

of us would be interested so please share and let us all have a look. I'm sure

there must be figures somewhere on the site in question and we'll need them. I'm

always looking for a better HGH trigger myself.

I'm sure I can pony up a shred of evidence if you can but I'll tell you in

advance that I won't take much time to respond to a comment with no reference

data. I can probably address most of your specific questions on this subject

though; I've gone down 'most all of the rabbit holes in this subject in the last

8 years, while supervising people on and using product myself.

Got a spoecific question then?

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> I realize this probably comes as shock to someone with your inflated ego but

you aren't the only one in this group who has done their homework for the last

20 years - and is still doing it. The only difference is that your " homework "

seems to have been provided by the MLM's of which you have been a part. And,

yes, the way a company (and its' distributors) does business is an issue with me

because they tend (as you do) to dismiss anyone who challenges their claims -

just as you are doing with HGHTruths - without a shred of evidence to back it

up.

>

> Unfortunately Not All Good,

> Dee

October 12, 2010

Duncan,

Say what you will about HGHTruths but I think that anyone who reads his critique

of SomaLife-gHP will see that he carefully (and convincingly) deals with the

issues you raise - including the relationship of patents to the actual value of

the product. And as far as the studies you cite - none of them specifically use

SomaLife-gHP but, instead, use only two or three amino acids. But then you know

this as well as I do and drowning us in a pant load of words won't change that,

so please save your breath. I'm perfectly happy with my whey protein as my amino

acid source. I only called Grumpy's attention to HGHTruths because he has only

been exposed to your sales pitch for SomaLife - an expensive MLM product for

which you either are (or have been) a distributor - as I have documented. So,

it's now up to Grumpy to make his own decision.

Dee

-- In Coconut Oil , " Duncan Crow " <duncancrow@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Dee, I've critiqued the site HGHTruths several times in the last 10 years

and found that " no evidence " is the underlying theme:

> http://HGHTruths.com ...the blog is an opinion piece and the site is a

commercial site. He purports, and I think that's all. Regarding his new

discovery glycine he touts on the first page, it is just one of the HGH

secretagogues and not a very good one by itself.

>

> I think we agree that amino staking is a good secretagogue if it's done right.

How about comparing some HGH increase numbers for the competing products? The

Isidori study gives numbers for the first two ingredients and the Somalife

patent is linked on my site:

> http://tinyurl.com/SomaLife-gHP

>snip, snip, snip<

October 12, 2010

Hi Dee;

the wired seniors link is about 8 years old and is irrelevant to business today

as SomaLife Health Products is not MLM but sold in stores. I don't sell the

products at all in my clinic or online even when I use it.

So there ..you're going to have to hunt a lot harder to find any dirt, and

plainly that's all you intend to do so fill yer boots. It is counterproductive

to continue to respond to your static. Goodbye.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > Hi Grumpy,

> > >

> > > You can go on the internet and find lots of glowing reviews on SomaLife

Ghp but keep in mind this is an MLM product so before you shell out the big $$$

for it you might want to check out this website first:

> > >

http://hghtruths.com/hgh-product-reviews/somalife-ghp-sport-an-hgh-supplement-re\

view/

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > Dee

> > >

> >

>

October 13, 2010

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michael

October 13, 2010

Dee,

As Duncan requested, if you wish to continue this discussion, please

write about specific facts from website URLs you can quote in your

posts.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> If you have found a secretagogue that gives decent or maximal HGH release,

many of us would be interested so please share and let us all have a look. I'm

sure there must be figures somewhere on the site in question and we'll need

them. I'm always looking for a better HGH trigger myself.

>

> I'm sure I can pony up a shred of evidence if you can but I'll tell you in

advance that I won't take much time to respond to a comment with no reference

data. I can probably address most of your specific questions on this subject

though; I've gone down 'most all of the rabbit holes in this subject in the last

8 years, while supervising people on and using product myself.

>

> Got a spoecific question then?

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dee, you are hammering on Duncan and not backing it up with any real

information. You have expressed your displeasure with Duncan and with

SomaLife. If you want to continue this debate, all well and good.

But please back up your statements and ask cogent questions.

Alobar

(speaking as moderator)

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Dolores <dgk@...> wrote:

> Duncan,

>

> Say what you will about HGHTruths but I think that anyone who reads his

critique of SomaLife-gHP will see that he carefully (and convincingly) deals

with the issues you raise - including the relationship of patents to the actual

value of the product. And as far as the studies you cite - none of them

specifically use SomaLife-gHP but, instead, use only two or three amino acids.

But then you know this as well as I do and drowning us in a pant load of words

won't change that, so please save your breath. I'm perfectly happy with my whey

protein as my amino acid source. I only called Grumpy's attention to HGHTruths

because he has only been exposed to your sales pitch for SomaLife - an expensive

MLM product for which you either are (or have been) a distributor - as I have

documented. So, it's now up to Grumpy to make his own decision.

>

> Dee

>

October 13, 2010

Alobar,

Sorry I missed your previous message. Although I don't really wish to continue

this discussion I believe I posted this url several times:

http://hghtruths.com/hgh-product-reviews/somalife-ghp-sport-an-hgh-supplement-re\

view/

I will now quote from it here:

" This is an hgh supplement that comes in capsule form. SomaLife International

Inc. also markets another formula called gHP Youth Formula.

Did I say another formula? What I should have said is the same formula with a

different name and label.

Here is the ingredients list for both:

L-Lysine 1302 mg & #8232;L-Arginine 1302 mg & #8232;L-Ornithine 798

mg & #8232;L-Glutamine 250 mg & #8232;Glycine 500 mg & #8232;L- Leucine 400

mg & #8232;L-Iso-Leucine 400 mg & #8232;L-Valine 400 mg

A very basic amino acid stack. Nothing at all special about it. To my mind it

is a pretty lousy combination. They do lay claim to a patent. I am not a patent

attorney but it looked to be one of those that the patent office approved

without doing much research. There were other products using these ingredients

long before the patent application was made.

No real big deal. Just like the product. "

Alobar, as I said previously my reason for providing that link was to expose

Grumpy (and anyone else here who only gets to hear Duncan's recommendation when

it comes to an amino stack) an alternate view. Besides the issue of comparative

cost there is also lots of other information on that site regarding amino acids

that I have no interest in discussing further with Duncan. As I said before, I

will let others make up their own minds. Duncan could (and should) have left it

at that if, as he says, he has nothing to sell.

Best,

Dee

>

> Dee,

> As Duncan requested, if you wish to continue this discussion, please

> write about specific facts from website URLs you can quote in your

> posts.

>

> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>

October 14, 2010

wow Alobar.... really surprised that you chose to get involved at this

particular juncture of the numerous dee and duncan battles/discussions (as this

one was quite mild).....

Dee's original statement: " " You can go on the internet and find lots of

glowing reviews on SomaLife Ghp but keep in mind this is an MLM product so

before you shell out the big $$$ for it you might want to check out this website

first:

http://hghtruths.com/hgh-product-reviews/somalife-ghp-sport-an-hgh-supplement-re\

view " "

seemed informative and harmless -- I hope grumpy was able to utilize the info +

common sense in determining whether somalife is worth the price, if it is an mlm

(I always thought it was - maybe things have changed) and if one can formulate a

secretagogue/hgh enhancer on their own for less cost utilizing the Isidori

study, the hgh truths website, or other research on the benefits of certain

amino acids on the body.

thank you

elaine1231

> > Duncan,

> >

> > Say what you will about HGHTruths but I think that anyone who reads his