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What does all this mean? I don't have enough background education to sort

through it all at one time. Please explain it to me. Thanks, Sylvia

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, montemomma2002 <montemomma2002@...>wrote:

> " Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C Method "

> Posted by: " ransley@... " ransley@... daddybob52954

> Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:37 am (PDT)

>

>

> What follows is all of Bradley's original posts on The Silverlist

> about this...This has already been cross posted in many places and

> apparently he wants this info to be spread far and wide.

>

> If you are not familiar with this man, he works with a private research

> foundation that has no internet presence that you will find by search

> engine. They research various simple cheap and effective alternative

> medical

> protocols then he releases the synopsis of their results to the Silverlist

> from time to time, then he disappears again.

>

> He is getting on in years and simply does not spend as much time on any

> forum as much as he used to. Those of us who have watched him for years

> know

> that he does not deal in hyperbole and is a master of understatement and

> courtesy, so the almost breathless nature of the first post really caused a

> stir.

>

> DaddyBob

>

> ------------ -----

> We are Euphoric...almost. ..over our enthusiasm regarding a substance which

> became available about 24 months ago---and since subjected to a number of

> different evaluations.

> While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical or

> biological essence..... the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we

> have

> enjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigators

> evaluating these materials. These research evaluations revolved around

> substances yielded by a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology

> (LET). All of our evaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH or

> Liposomal Encapsulated

> Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental cases involved LET-based Vitamin

> C.

> About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months)

> documented research of Dr. Levy, M.D., and associates, we endeavored

> to prosecute some evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C

> encapsulated by phospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized was

> obtained from representatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural

> patents (Livon), but there are, probably, others now

> available... ..especially with the proclivities of firms for circumventing

> existing patents. The material is called " Smart " Lyco-Spheric Nano-Spheres.

> The principal characteristic which enables the substance to yield such

> outstanding results, springs from its ability to present both in the blood

> stream and the inter-cellular environments- ---simultaneousl y. I could

> hardly

> believe Dr. Levy's original claims as to results they achieved. To wit:

> That

> the ORAL ingestion of this " Vitamin C on Steroids " as the hype had

> pronounced it-----turned out (at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT. E.G.

> 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) did, indeed, yield results

> comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply,

> ASTOUNDED... by this result. I will not attempt to elaborate on our

> specific

> experiments, but will state that our associates achieved some UNBELIEVABLE

> results in very short time windows----and some involving stage IV carcinoma

> (which had proven unresponsive to ALL EXISTING ALLEOPATHIC PROTOCOLS). The

> implications are simply STAGGERING.. ..for us.

> The COST PROFILE simply COLLAPSES when considering such a

> simple---non- toxic---- address

> to an amazing number of terminal-type insults. e.g. snakebite, botulinum,

> viral insults from across the entire spectrum, etc).

> I must go now, but I encourage list members to conduct a web search on this

> manufacturing technology and the products available... ..that actually

> exhibit the nano-encapsulation technology.

> Do understand that some condition/circumsta nce may present itself, that

> could modify or, maybe, even negate our profound results...but I most

> SERIOUSLY DOUBT such will be the case. At present, we can hardly believe

> our

> results, but three other research groups (with whom we exchange information

> periodically. ....have effected results identical to ours.

>

> ------------ ------

>

> In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently, in

> searching for possible " process " improvements/ modifications which might

> facilitate the " lay person " an opportunity for a DIY methodology achievable

> in a home environment- --we did achieve some notable progress.

> First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature searches

> revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid capability in this

> area

> (LET).

> Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a company named MICROTEK.

> Microteklabs. com

> Helpful information is available here.

> One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature of

> LET

> was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic. ..... and not a man-made process,

> that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this process is a

> function of an automatic, " natural tendency " of certain substances (e.g.

> phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or

> bubbles---called liposomes--- -when in a aqueous solution under certain

> conditions. "

> The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill themselves

> with whatever aqueous solution they were in----before they were formed.

> " This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a protective barrier around

> virtually every cell in the human body. "

> Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700

> p.s.i.) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a forming

> plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin in this case)

> to form liposomes--- -so small they require an electrom microscope for

> viewing. This technology does not create the LET activity.... it just

> enhances it. In our personal researches we have determined the key to

> exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be Livon's application of intense

> force in their mixing methodology.

> Enter the " enlightening " moment. Searching for a method of achieving

> liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic

> stimulation

> as an option. It worked...maybe not quite as well as Livon's " high tech "

> brute force approach...but about 70% as well. Plenty efficient for our

> purposes.

> Our vitamin " C " liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

> Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from

> Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

> 1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water

> (preferably distilled).

> 2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. " C " ) in 1/2

> cup

> of water.

> 3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned

> the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner opened),

> gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will,

> automatically,

> self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat

> for

> a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should be

> blended into a cloudy, homogeneous,

> milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed.

> 4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg.) of vitamin C product.

> At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This

> solution will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to 4 days.

> Refrigerated, it will keep much longer. We use it so fast around our

> place...there isn't enough left to be concerned over storage. The

> " homogenizing effect " is so powerful that after 3 days at room temperature,

> no precipitation or solution separation appears evident. This type of

> sequestered vitamin " C " has demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more

> effective (per volumetric measure) than any other form of orally-ingested

> vitamin " c " ....that we have tested. Additionally, it appears to be even

> more

> rapid in tissue-bed availability- ---than IV applications. An astounding

> revelation.. ..to us. We estimate the DIY researcher can produce the active

> LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per gram....as against about

> $1.00

> per gram from commerci! al sources.

> It is my hope that this, limited, explanation of our activities in this

> area,

> is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers. In

> any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be n on-toxic and most helpful

> to OUR RESEARCHES.

> Sincerely, Bradley.

> p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at Harbor

> Freight. Item number 91593. 2+ liters, for about $60.00. Both units have

> performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00 lead zirconate

> titanate, research grade, unit.

>

> ------------ --------- ---

>

> My apologies; I neglected to outline the attendant, probable, variations in

> the

> protocol. What I SHOULD have said in my original post is " The visible,

> obviously

> homogenized, portion of the solution " , whenever I made the comment about

> the

> stability of the completed, resultant, material.

> I believe you will gain a little better knowledge of the results you

> achieved, after reading my most recent comment on an inquiry by Sheila.

> Bottom line----your result was perfectly normal. Interestingly, the

> meniscus

> may present at the top...or the bottom.....or not at all. Usually if the

> initial material combination

> has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or there

> is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid fraction....

> .the

> meniscus will form on the top of the sample....within a few minutes after

> stopping the US agitation.

> If your procedure has run acceptably well and----long enough to homogenize

> well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after

> overnight storage---

> with or without refrigeration.

> In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the

> isolated

> lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome

> solution and

> dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction.

> I hope this information helps your dilema.

> Sincerely, Bradley.

> p.s. One just needs to continue to experiment " around-the- edges " of this

> protocol, in order to achieve optimum results. Do not be reluctant to do

> such...this IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....just common sense.

>

> ------------ --------- ---

>

> Your question has been asked by others....(private inquires addressed

> directly to me). In the interest of saving me time and energy, I offer the

> following explanation. First, soy lecithin is a " slow " incorporator, when

> introduced into aqueous mediums....sometime s. Especially, when there is a

> high

>

> lecithin granule population ratio----relative to the total water volume.

> The

> general reaction is that a major percentage of the lecithin blends readily

> with the the water medium, but there will remain a definitive lecithin

> component which floats on the surface and exhibits a somewhat " gelatinous "

> appearance (this is quite natural, based upon the native characteristics of

> the substances involved). Do not fret over encountering such

> circumstances. .....they will not compromise the basic effectiveness of

> your

> protocol. However, it is of some import to understand that the speed, and

> completeness, of the incorporation of the granular lecithin---into the

> aqueous medium, is affected by a number of conditions such as the total

> amount of lecithin versus the total volume of water; the temperature of the

> water-based solution and the strength of any other substance being

> incorporated into the parent solution---- from very weak, to saturated

> (none

> of which are seriously comprom! ising). Under the best of conditions, even

> after ultrasonic mixing for 8 to 9 minutes....there is, often, a thin

> meniscus (a distinct separation between two or more liquids in the same

> container). [Example: a thin layer of oil lying on top of water.] In the

> liposome generation methodology we are discussing, the visible, gelatinous,

> portion of the meniscus is principally made up

>

> of unincorporated lecithin. Is IS NOT a problem....in fact the lecithin

> component has useful, cardiovascular, health-support effects----beyond

> those

> being discussed here.

>

> Either (or both) of two measures may be executed to reduce the volume of

> unincorporated lecithin you may be encountering. First, increasing the

> volume of the total water fraction, or secondly, raising the temperature of

> the total parent solution

>

> and extending the time of US reaction exposure. One reason for the

> condition

> you are encountering is that the closer one gets to achieving a saturated

> solution of lecithin.... the more resistant the process becomes to

> accepting

> more granular lecithin into that solution---- -until the point is reached

> where no further material will incorporate- --hence, THE SATURATION POINT

> IS

> EXPERIENCED.

>

> In my brief, original post, I did not discuss the nuances of speed, degree

> or completeness of dissolution of the lecithin---- or for that matter---

> the

> ascorbic acid fraction. Neither did I outline a number of other

> considerations; such as the effects of varying the volume of water versus

> the ratios of the solution components.. ..or the total water volume versus

> the protocol components.. ..primarily, because such elaborations would not

> serve usefulness/effectiv ity for the nontechnical

>

> DIY person. I simply outlined a SAFE, mid-spectrum, protocol allowing the

> average lay-person to achieve a measure of acceptable results for home

> experimental research.

>

> My personal bias is that it is better to have a small, uncombined, lecithin

> fraction presenting as a meniscus.... .than to strive toward what I

> perceive

> to be a cosmetic achievement- ---of small consequence. ....by means of

> diluting the total

>

> solution. In any event the excess lecithin is a positive addition.... .it

> is

> just not

>

> active in the liposome process----- until some parameter changes that

> avails

> it the opportunity participate in the encapsulation process.

>

> My final comment on this subject: If it is of paramount importance to one,

>

> regardless of reason.... by just increasing the water volume and

> reactivating the US Cleaner for several minutes....the remaining lecithin

> will (in almost all cases) go into the emulsified solution. However, bear

> in

> mind, you have diluted the entire solution by an equivalent

>

> strength---- -with NO increase in total vitamin C component.

>

> Please understand, these comments are not meant to browbeat " anyone " .... in

> any way....but, rather, to aid the less technically- informed on the list.

>

> Sincerely, Bradley.

>

> ------------ ------

>

> Although not scientifically rigorous, I offer a simple test which will

> yield

> the

> DIY researcher some element of confidence that they do, in fact, have a

> useful measure of liposomal

> encapsulate.

> First, pour about 4 ounces of your finished Vitamin C encapsulate into a

> cylindrical, 12 ounce

> water glass. Next, place 1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into about 1

> ounce of distilled water and stir

> for 3 to 5 seconds. Next, pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the

> Vitamin C mixture and stir gently for several seconds. Note: If the

> foam/bubble line which forms on top is 1/2 inch or less---in height---you

> have about a 50% encapsulation efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is 3/8

> of

> one inch...or less, you have about a 60% efficiency. If the

> foam/bubble line is 1/8 inch or less, you have about 75% efficiency. If the

> foam/bubble line is

> just a trace.....you should major in chemistry.

> The percentages given above, represent the amount of the total Vitamin C

> component incorporated during the encapsulation process..... that was

> actually encapsulated. The less encapsulation. ...the greater the foaming.

> What is, actually, occurring in this test is that the ascorbic acid

> fraction

> is being transformed into the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C. This test

> does not negatively affect the usefulness of the solution you have

> tested.....as the isolated Vitamin C component is not adversely affecting

> the encapsulate (which is being protected by the lecithin bubble-covering.

> )

> Actually, the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C is greater than an

> order-of-magnitude more soluble for tissue incorporation. .....than is the

> ascorbic acid form.

> In any event this simple test should serve to raise the level of confidence

> in the DIY researcher.. ..

> that they do---in fact---have a useful measure of encapsulated vitamin C.

> Sincerely, Bradley.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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Sylvia,

Basicly ,You can make your own liposomal vitamin C.It could save your life

since it is the most bioavailable form of C ,even more so than intravenous c

,which has been used to treat cancer , heart dsease and uncurable

diseases,prevention of the flu...So now you can treat these diseases and more!

The directions to make it are simple. The benefits enormous.This is BIG .IT is

worth reading through at least the first 2 of the emails to get the info.

the rest is clarification of the process;

Making the stuff couldnt be simpler.

1 T of vitamin C powder in 1/2 cup of water

3 T of granualated lecithin in 1 cup of water I use warm water and Daddybob

suggests shaking it in a jar to speed the disolving process..

pour both into the ultrasonic cleaner and turn it on. It cuts off after 2

minutes .I push the on button after it stops 5 times for a total of 10 minutes.

I keep it in the fridge in a jar and shake it before I add it to juice or a

smoothy.

IN NC

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Thank you. Do you know how much the ultrasonic cleaners run? Can one be made

by me? Some simple way? Sylvia

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, montemomma2002 <montemomma2002@...>wrote:

> Sylvia,

>

> Basicly ,You can make your own liposomal vitamin C.It could save your life

> since it is the most bioavailable form of C ,even more so than intravenous c

> ,which has been used to treat cancer , heart dsease and uncurable

> diseases,prevention of the flu...So now you can treat these diseases and

> more!

>

> The directions to make it are simple. The benefits enormous.This is BIG .IT

> is worth reading through at least the first 2 of the emails to get

> the info. the rest is clarification of the process;

>

> Making the stuff couldnt be simpler.

>

> 1 T of vitamin C powder in 1/2 cup of water

> 3 T of granualated lecithin in 1 cup of water I use warm water and Daddybob

> suggests shaking it in a jar to speed the disolving process..

>

> pour both into the ultrasonic cleaner and turn it on. It cuts off after 2

> minutes .I push the on button after it stops 5 times for a total of 10

> minutes.

>

> I keep it in the fridge in a jar and shake it before I add it to juice or a

> smoothy.

>

> IN NC

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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Unless you are a wiz at making electrronics, you probably do not want

to try making an ultrasonic unit.

I have not bought one yet, but I am probably going to get this one:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95563

The same company also makes a smaller, less expensive unit.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3305

Alobar

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:57 PM, SYLVIA PRICE<LadyofYorkies@...> wrote:

> Thank you. Do you know how much the ultrasonic cleaners run? Can one be made

> by me? Some simple way? Sylvia

>

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, montemomma2002

<montemomma2002@...>wrote:

>

>> Sylvia,

>>

>>  Basicly ,You can make your own liposomal vitamin C.It could save your life

>> since it is the most bioavailable form of C ,even more so than intravenous c

>> ,which has been used to treat cancer , heart dsease and uncurable

>> diseases,prevention of the flu...So now you can treat these diseases and

>> more!

>>

>> The directions to make it are simple. The benefits enormous.This is BIG .IT

>> is worth reading through at least the first 2 of the emails to get

>> the info. the rest is clarification of the process;

>>

>> Making the stuff couldnt be simpler.

>>

>> 1 T of vitamin C powder in 1/2 cup of water

>> 3 T of granualated lecithin in 1 cup of water I use warm water and Daddybob

>> suggests shaking it in a jar to speed the disolving process..

>>

>> pour both into the ultrasonic cleaner and turn it on. It cuts off after 2

>> minutes .I push the on button after it stops 5 times for  a total of 10

>> minutes.

>>

>> I keep it in the fridge in a jar and shake it before I add it to juice or a

>> smoothy.

>>

>>         IN NC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>>

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Looks like the same unit as HF. 42,000 cycles, 3 minute auto shut off. Click

middle picture for a larger view. $10 shipping.

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=CD-2800 & cpc=SCH

>

> Geeks .com offers one that's the same as the smaller one from

> harborfreight. Do a search. It was $20+SH when I looked at it. The

> same one at Harbor Freight was $25 on sale.

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http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3305

>

> > Sylvia,

> >

> > Basicly ,You can make your own liposomal vitamin C.It could save your life

> > since it is the most bioavailable form of C ,even more so than intravenous c

> > ,which has been used to treat cancer , heart dsease and uncurable

> > diseases,prevention of the flu...So now you can treat these diseases and

> > more!

> >

> > The directions to make it are simple. The benefits enormous.This is BIG .IT

> > is worth reading through at least the first 2 of the emails to get

> > the info. the rest is clarification of the process;

> >

> > Making the stuff couldnt be simpler.

> >

> > 1 T of vitamin C powder in 1/2 cup of water

> > 3 T of granualated lecithin in 1 cup of water I use warm water and Daddybob

> > suggests shaking it in a jar to speed the disolving process..

> >

> > pour both into the ultrasonic cleaner and turn it on. It cuts off after 2

> > minutes .I push the on button after it stops 5 times for a total of 10

> > minutes.

> >

> > I keep it in the fridge in a jar and shake it before I add it to juice or a

> > smoothy.

> >

> > IN NC

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

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I made my first batch Saturday night and took my first 1/2-ounce dose yesterday

morning. It tastes bad, as promised, and I don't do smoothies or drink fruit

juice, so I can see that getting this down may be a problem. I disguised it

with bottled lime juice yesterday, which wasn't very good, but it left me with a

definite *bright* feeling. I just downed a full ounce straight, thinking that

would be least disgusting that way. Now the taste lingers and my mouth feels

coated. It's enough to make me consider the capsules.

I'd be interested in any kind of creative way to get this down!

nah

>

> " Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C Method "

> Posted by: " ransley@... " ransley@... daddybob52954

> Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:37 am (PDT)

>

>

> What follows is all of Bradley's original posts on The Silverlist

> about this...This has already been cross posted in many places and

> apparently he wants this info to be spread far and wide.

>

> If you are not familiar with this man, he works with a private research

> foundation that has no internet presence that you will find by search

> engine. They research various simple cheap and effective alternative medical

> protocols then he releases the synopsis of their results to the Silverlist

> from time to time, then he disappears again.

>

> He is getting on in years and simply does not spend as much time on any

> forum as much as he used to. Those of us who have watched him for years know

> that he does not deal in hyperbole and is a master of understatement and

> courtesy, so the almost breathless nature of the first post really caused a

> stir.

>

> DaddyBob

>

> ------------ -----

> We are Euphoric...almost. ..over our enthusiasm regarding a substance which

> became available about 24 months ago---and since subjected to a number of

> different evaluations.

> While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical or

> biological essence..... the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we have

> enjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigators

> evaluating these materials. These research evaluations revolved around

> substances yielded by a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology

> (LET). All of our evaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH or

> Liposomal Encapsulated

> Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental cases involved LET-based Vitamin

> C.

> About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months)

> documented research of Dr. Levy, M.D., and associates, we endeavored

> to prosecute some evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C

> encapsulated by phospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized was

> obtained from representatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural

> patents (Livon), but there are, probably, others now

> available... ..especially with the proclivities of firms for circumventing

> existing patents. The material is called " Smart " Lyco-Spheric Nano-Spheres.

> The principal characteristic which enables the substance to yield such

> outstanding results, springs from its ability to present both in the blood

> stream and the inter-cellular environments- ---simultaneousl y. I could hardly

> believe Dr. Levy's original claims as to results they achieved. To wit: That

> the ORAL ingestion of this " Vitamin C on Steroids " as the hype had

> pronounced it-----turned out (at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT. E.G.

> 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) did, indeed, yield results

> comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply,

> ASTOUNDED... by this result. I will not attempt to elaborate on our specific

> experiments, but will state that our associates achieved some UNBELIEVABLE

> results in very short time windows----and some involving stage IV carcinoma

> (which had proven unresponsive to ALL EXISTING ALLEOPATHIC PROTOCOLS). The

> implications are simply STAGGERING.. ..for us.

> The COST PROFILE simply COLLAPSES when considering such a

> simple---non- toxic---- address

> to an amazing number of terminal-type insults. e.g. snakebite, botulinum,

> viral insults from across the entire spectrum, etc).

> I must go now, but I encourage list members to conduct a web search on this

> manufacturing technology and the products available... ..that actually

> exhibit the nano-encapsulation technology.

> Do understand that some condition/circumsta nce may present itself, that

> could modify or, maybe, even negate our profound results...but I most

> SERIOUSLY DOUBT such will be the case. At present, we can hardly believe our

> results, but three other research groups (with whom we exchange information

> periodically. ....have effected results identical to ours.

>

> ------------ ------

>

> In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently, in

> searching for possible " process " improvements/ modifications which might

> facilitate the " lay person " an opportunity for a DIY methodology achievable

> in a home environment- --we did achieve some notable progress.

> First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature searches

> revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid capability in this area

> (LET).

> Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a company named MICROTEK.

> Microteklabs. com

> Helpful information is available here.

> One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature of LET

> was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic. ..... and not a man-made process,

> that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this process is a

> function of an automatic, " natural tendency " of certain substances (e.g.

> phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or

> bubbles---called liposomes--- -when in a aqueous solution under certain

> conditions. "

> The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill themselves

> with whatever aqueous solution they were in----before they were formed.

> " This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a protective barrier around

> virtually every cell in the human body. "

> Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700

> p.s.i.) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a forming

> plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin in this case)

> to form liposomes--- -so small they require an electrom microscope for

> viewing. This technology does not create the LET activity.... it just

> enhances it. In our personal researches we have determined the key to

> exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be Livon's application of intense

> force in their mixing methodology.

> Enter the " enlightening " moment. Searching for a method of achieving

> liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic stimulation

> as an option. It worked...maybe not quite as well as Livon's " high tech "

> brute force approach...but about 70% as well. Plenty efficient for our

> purposes.

> Our vitamin " C " liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

> Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from

> Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

> 1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water

> (preferably distilled).

> 2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. " C " ) in 1/2

> cup

> of water.

> 3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and turned

> the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner opened),

> gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will, automatically,

> self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat for

> a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should be

> blended into a cloudy, homogeneous,

> milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed.

> 4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg.) of vitamin C product.

> At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET type. This

> solution will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to 4 days.

> Refrigerated, it will keep much longer. We use it so fast around our

> place...there isn't enough left to be concerned over storage. The

> " homogenizing effect " is so powerful that after 3 days at room temperature,

> no precipitation or solution separation appears evident. This type of

> sequestered vitamin " C " has demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more

> effective (per volumetric measure) than any other form of orally-ingested

> vitamin " c " ....that we have tested. Additionally, it appears to be even more

> rapid in tissue-bed availability- ---than IV applications. An astounding

> revelation.. ..to us. We estimate the DIY researcher can produce the active

> LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per gram....as against about $1.00

> per gram from commerci! al sources.

> It is my hope that this, limited, explanation of our activities in this

> area,

> is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers. In

> any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be n on-toxic and most helpful

> to OUR RESEARCHES.

> Sincerely, Bradley.

> p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at Harbor

> Freight. Item number 91593. 2+ liters, for about $60.00. Both units have

> performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00 lead zirconate

> titanate, research grade, unit.

>

> ------------ --------- ---

>

> My apologies; I neglected to outline the attendant, probable, variations in

> the

> protocol. What I SHOULD have said in my original post is " The visible,

> obviously

> homogenized, portion of the solution " , whenever I made the comment about the

> stability of the completed, resultant, material.

> I believe you will gain a little better knowledge of the results you

> achieved, after reading my most recent comment on an inquiry by Sheila.

> Bottom line----your result was perfectly normal. Interestingly, the meniscus

> may present at the top...or the bottom.....or not at all. Usually if the

> initial material combination

> has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or there

> is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid fraction.... .the

> meniscus will form on the top of the sample....within a few minutes after

> stopping the US agitation.

> If your procedure has run acceptably well and----long enough to homogenize

> well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after

> overnight storage---

> with or without refrigeration.

> In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the isolated

> lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome

> solution and

> dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction.

> I hope this information helps your dilema.

> Sincerely, Bradley.

> p.s. One just needs to continue to experiment " around-the- edges " of this

> protocol, in order to achieve optimum results. Do not be reluctant to do

> such...this IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....just common sense.

>

> ------------ --------- ---

>

> Your question has been asked by others....(private inquires addressed

> directly to me). In the interest of saving me time and energy, I offer the

> following explanation. First, soy lecithin is a " slow " incorporator, when

> introduced into aqueous mediums....sometime s. Especially, when there is a

> high

>

> lecithin granule population ratio----relative to the total water volume. The

> general reaction is that a major percentage of the lecithin blends readily

> with the the water medium, but there will remain a definitive lecithin

> component which floats on the surface and exhibits a somewhat " gelatinous "

> appearance (this is quite natural, based upon the native characteristics of

> the substances involved). Do not fret over encountering such

> circumstances. .....they will not compromise the basic effectiveness of your

> protocol. However, it is of some import to understand that the speed, and

> completeness, of the incorporation of the granular lecithin---into the

> aqueous medium, is affected by a number of conditions such as the total

> amount of lecithin versus the total volume of water; the temperature of the

> water-based solution and the strength of any other substance being

> incorporated into the parent solution---- from very weak, to saturated (none

> of which are seriously comprom! ising). Under the best of conditions, even

> after ultrasonic mixing for 8 to 9 minutes....there is, often, a thin

> meniscus (a distinct separation between two or more liquids in the same

> container). [Example: a thin layer of oil lying on top of water.] In the

> liposome generation methodology we are discussing, the visible, gelatinous,

> portion of the meniscus is principally made up

>

> of unincorporated lecithin. Is IS NOT a problem....in fact the lecithin

> component has useful, cardiovascular, health-support effects----beyond those

> being discussed here.

>

> Either (or both) of two measures may be executed to reduce the volume of

> unincorporated lecithin you may be encountering. First, increasing the

> volume of the total water fraction, or secondly, raising the temperature of

> the total parent solution

>

> and extending the time of US reaction exposure. One reason for the condition

> you are encountering is that the closer one gets to achieving a saturated

> solution of lecithin.... the more resistant the process becomes to accepting

> more granular lecithin into that solution---- -until the point is reached

> where no further material will incorporate- --hence, THE SATURATION POINT IS

> EXPERIENCED.

>

> In my brief, original post, I did not discuss the nuances of speed, degree

> or completeness of dissolution of the lecithin---- or for that matter--- the

> ascorbic acid fraction. Neither did I outline a number of other

> considerations; such as the effects of varying the volume of water versus

> the ratios of the solution components.. ..or the total water volume versus

> the protocol components.. ..primarily, because such elaborations would not

> serve usefulness/effectiv ity for the nontechnical

>

> DIY person. I simply outlined a SAFE, mid-spectrum, protocol allowing the

> average lay-person to achieve a measure of acceptable results for home

> experimental research.

>

> My personal bias is that it is better to have a small, uncombined, lecithin

> fraction presenting as a meniscus.... .than to strive toward what I perceive

> to be a cosmetic achievement- ---of small consequence. ....by means of

> diluting the total

>

> solution. In any event the excess lecithin is a positive addition.... .it is

> just not

>

> active in the liposome process----- until some parameter changes that avails

> it the opportunity participate in the encapsulation process.

>

> My final comment on this subject: If it is of paramount importance to one,

>

> regardless of reason.... by just increasing the water volume and

> reactivating the US Cleaner for several minutes....the remaining lecithin

> will (in almost all cases) go into the emulsified solution. However, bear in

> mind, you have diluted the entire solution by an equivalent

>

> strength---- -with NO increase in total vitamin C component.

>

> Please understand, these comments are not meant to browbeat " anyone " .... in

> any way....but, rather, to aid the less technically- informed on the list.

>

> Sincerely, Bradley.

>

> ------------ ------

>

> Although not scientifically rigorous, I offer a simple test which will yield

> the

> DIY researcher some element of confidence that they do, in fact, have a

> useful measure of liposomal

> encapsulate.

> First, pour about 4 ounces of your finished Vitamin C encapsulate into a

> cylindrical, 12 ounce

> water glass. Next, place 1/4 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate into about 1

> ounce of distilled water and stir

> for 3 to 5 seconds. Next, pour the sodium bicarbonate solution into the

> Vitamin C mixture and stir gently for several seconds. Note: If the

> foam/bubble line which forms on top is 1/2 inch or less---in height---you

> have about a 50% encapsulation efficiency. If the foam/bubble line is 3/8 of

> one inch...or less, you have about a 60% efficiency. If the

> foam/bubble line is 1/8 inch or less, you have about 75% efficiency. If the

> foam/bubble line is

> just a trace.....you should major in chemistry.

> The percentages given above, represent the amount of the total Vitamin C

> component incorporated during the encapsulation process..... that was

> actually encapsulated. The less encapsulation. ...the greater the foaming.

> What is, actually, occurring in this test is that the ascorbic acid fraction

> is being transformed into the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C. This test

> does not negatively affect the usefulness of the solution you have

> tested.....as the isolated Vitamin C component is not adversely affecting

> the encapsulate (which is being protected by the lecithin bubble-covering. )

> Actually, the sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C is greater than an

> order-of-magnitude more soluble for tissue incorporation. .....than is the

> ascorbic acid form.

> In any event this simple test should serve to raise the level of confidence

> in the DIY researcher.. ..

> that they do---in fact---have a useful measure of encapsulated vitamin C.

> Sincerely, Bradley.

>

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Labs Lecithin tastes significantly better than any other

lecithin I have ever tried. Not yummy, but far better than other

brands. Labs Lecithin is made from non-GMO soy, which is also

a plus for me.

Alobar

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:53 PM, spthompson49<spthompson49@...> wrote:

> I made my first batch Saturday night and took my first 1/2-ounce dose

yesterday morning.  It tastes bad, as promised, and I don't do smoothies or

drink fruit juice, so I can see that getting this down may be a problem.  I

disguised it with bottled lime juice yesterday, which wasn't very good, but it

left me with a definite *bright* feeling.  I just downed a full ounce straight,

thinking that would be least disgusting that way.  Now the taste lingers and my

mouth feels coated.  It's enough to make me consider the capsules.

>

> I'd be interested in any kind of creative way to get this down!

>

> nah

>

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*try it down with fresh orange juice*

*which bormally help those tatste to be acceptable*

*thank you*

truly yours

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

>

>

> Labs Lecithin tastes significantly better than any other

> lecithin I have ever tried. Not yummy, but far better than other

> brands. Labs Lecithin is made from non-GMO soy, which is also

> a plus for me.

>

> Alobar

>

>

> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:53 PM,

spthompson49<spthompson49@...<spthompson49%40>>

> wrote:

> > I made my first batch Saturday night and took my first 1/2-ounce dose

> yesterday morning. It tastes bad, as promised, and I don't do smoothies or

> drink fruit juice, so I can see that getting this down may be a problem. I

> disguised it with bottled lime juice yesterday, which wasn't very good, but

> it left me with a definite *bright* feeling. I just downed a full ounce

> straight, thinking that would be least disgusting that way. Now the taste

> lingers and my mouth feels coated. It's enough to make me consider the

> capsules.

> >

> > I'd be interested in any kind of creative way to get this down!

> >

> > nah

> >

>

>

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Thanks for the tip! I'll try that next time.

My brother's going to try this brand:

http://www.letstalkhealth.com/Liposomal-Vitamin-C-Soft-Gels-p/620.htm

With tax and shipping, it'll cost about $.35/serving, as opposed to my $.15, but

maybe worth it in terms of wide usability, time and mess saved.

I had a hard time getting my grandson (9) to drink his orange juice with just

1/8 ounce of the LET C liquid stirred in.

Maybe someone will manufacture an ultrasonic cleaner with a spout! I tried to

gracefully pour into a funnel, but it ended up all over the floor. I can't

imagine how one would pour the liquid out of a larger unit. One might have to

use a ladle.

nah

>

> Labs Lecithin tastes significantly better than any other

> lecithin I have ever tried. Not yummy, but far better than other

> brands. Labs Lecithin is made from non-GMO soy, which is also

> a plus for me.

>

> Alobar

>

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Thank you. Maybe I'll try a little grapefruit juice. Orange is too sweet for

me.

nah

>

> *try it down with fresh orange juice*

>

> *which bormally help those tatste to be acceptable*

>

> *thank you*

>

> truly yours

>

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Below it says to use the sonic cleaner but when I looked up the

sonic cleaners they don't talk about using the sonic cleaners for anything

to be taken internally. It only talks about cleaning metals. Is it actually

safe to take the LET solution for an extended amount of time? I mean you

hear so much about a thing being good for your body and 10, 20 or more years

later find out it isn't so good for your body. Where can I read more about

the sonic cleaners? Yeah, I could look it up but I figure someone in this

group knows exactly what I need to read. LOL Thanks, Sylvia

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:16 AM, montemomma2002

<montemomma2002@...>wrote:

>

>> " Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C Method "

>> Posted by: " ransley@... " ransley@... daddybob52954

>> Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:37 am (PDT)

>>

>>

>> Our vitamin " C " liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

>> Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from

>> Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

>> 1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water

>> (preferably distilled).

>> 2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. " C " ) in 1/2

>> cup

>> of water.

>> 3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and

>> turned

>> the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner

>> opened),

>> gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will,

>> automatically,

>> self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat

>> for

>> a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should

>> be

>> blended into a cloudy, homogeneous,

>> milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed.

>>

>

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You might try a turkey baster for removing liquid from the ultrasonic cleaner.

Alobar

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:48 AM, spthompson49<spthompson49@...> wrote:

> Thanks for the tip!  I'll try that next time.

>

> My brother's going to try this brand:

>

> http://www.letstalkhealth.com/Liposomal-Vitamin-C-Soft-Gels-p/620.htm

>

> With tax and shipping, it'll cost about $.35/serving, as opposed to my $.15,

but maybe worth it in terms of wide usability, time and mess saved.

>

> I had a hard time getting my grandson (9) to drink his orange juice with just

1/8 ounce of the LET C liquid stirred in.

>

> Maybe someone will manufacture an ultrasonic cleaner with a spout!  I tried to

gracefully pour into a funnel, but it ended up all over the floor.  I can't

imagine how one would pour the liquid out of a larger unit.  One might have to

use a ladle.

>

> nah

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I would not use a sonic cleaner which had previously been used to clean metals.

Alobar

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:19 AM, SYLVIA PRICE<LadyofYorkies@...> wrote:

> Below it says to use the sonic cleaner but when I looked up the

> sonic cleaners they don't talk about using the sonic cleaners for anything

> to be taken internally. It only talks about cleaning metals. Is it actually

> safe to take the LET solution for an extended amount of time? I mean you

> hear so much about a thing being good for your body and 10, 20 or more years

> later find out it isn't so good for your body. Where can I read more about

> the sonic cleaners? Yeah, I could look it up but I figure someone in this

> group knows exactly what I need to read. LOL Thanks, Sylvia

>

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I have read that you can put a pyrex lab beaker into an ultrasonic

cleaner. That would make it much easier to pour out the liposomal C,

much easier to clean the ultrasonic cleaner, and no danger of

contamination from the metal of the ultrasonic cleaner.

Alobar

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Alobar<alobar@...> wrote:

> I would not use a sonic cleaner which had previously been used to clean

metals.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:19 AM, SYLVIA PRICE<LadyofYorkies@...> wrote:

>> Below it says to use the sonic cleaner but when I looked up the

>> sonic cleaners they don't talk about using the sonic cleaners for anything

>> to be taken internally. It only talks about cleaning metals. Is it actually

>> safe to take the LET solution for an extended amount of time? I mean you

>> hear so much about a thing being good for your body and 10, 20 or more years

>> later find out it isn't so good for your body. Where can I read more about

>> the sonic cleaners? Yeah, I could look it up but I figure someone in this

>> group knows exactly what I need to read. LOL Thanks, Sylvia

>>

>

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The bowl of the cleaner is stainless steel, so that seems safe enough for the

brief time the ingredients are in it, sans heat or cold.

You make a good point. These are not whole foods in their natural form,

especially once they're altered by ultrasonic waves. However, neither is CO a

whole food. It's refined from coconuts, true, with a process that's

well-established and seems to get good results. From what I understand,

ultrasonic waves are sound waves at a higher frequency than humans can hear.

They jiggle the contents of the cleaner at a microscopic level, and that's why

it works as a cleaner....the dirt is vibrated off of things.

I do believe that one can get too much vitamin C, and I've had symptoms in the

past, mainly sore joints, crystallized deposits from excess vitamins B and C, I

think. (I read about this someplace reputable and will post if I can recall

where.) The pain goes away when I stop the vitamins. So I might know if

there's an overdose situation.

Since I was offered up as a guinea pig for the original polio vaccinations, and

others, a tonsillectomy, plenty of amalgam, and fluoride treatments, which were

doled out in our schools in the 50's, I feel relatively safe with an homogenized

ascorbic acid/lecithin mixture. Both of these ingredients are well-researched.

Btw, I noticed something yesterday; not sure if it's related. I started taking

the LET C on Sunday, had two unusually stressful days on Monday and Tuesday, but

Tuesday afternoon (while at a police station, no less, and speaking with an

officer) I held out my hand, and noticed something very unusual. It was rock,

solid STEADY! So steady that today I still keep holding out my hands in awe.

This seems almost too fast, and I was also doing a lot of EFT tapping to relieve

stress, but my hands suddenly seem to have the steadiness of a teenager. I've

been hyper-hypo thyroid and hyper adrenal for over 1 1/2 years, so even though

I'm still a little trembly inside, this is BIG for me and promising, and

something I in no way expected.

S

> >

> >> " Bradley's Homemade Liposomal C Method "

> >> Posted by: " ransley@... " ransley@... daddybob52954

> >> Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:37 am (PDT)

> >>

> >>

> >> Our vitamin " C " liposomal encapsulation protocol is as follows:

> >> Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from

> >> Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

> >> 1. Dissolved 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water

> >> (preferably distilled).

> >> 2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. " C " ) in 1/2

> >> cup

> >> of water.

> >> 3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and

> >> turned

> >> the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the cleaner

> >> opened),

> >> gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will,

> >> automatically,

> >> self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue. Repeat

> >> for

> >> a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire solution should

> >> be

> >> blended into a cloudy, homogeneous,

> >> milk-like mixture. The LET solution is now formed.

> >>

> >

>

>

>

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My husband said the same thing when I was explaining the process and the

cleaner to him. LOL It actually never crossed my mind to use it for both.

Sylvia

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

> I would not use a sonic cleaner which had previously been used to clean

> metals.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:19 AM, SYLVIA PRICE<LadyofYorkies@...>

> wrote:

> > Below it says to use the sonic cleaner but when I looked up the

> > sonic cleaners they don't talk about using the sonic cleaners for

> anything

> > to be taken internally. It only talks about cleaning metals. Is it

> actually

> > safe to take the LET solution for an extended amount of time? I mean you

> > hear so much about a thing being good for your body and 10, 20 or more

> years

> > later find out it isn't so good for your body. Where can I read more

> about

> > the sonic cleaners? Yeah, I could look it up but I figure someone in this

> > group knows exactly what I need to read. LOL Thanks, Sylvia

> >

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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Your experience with high dose vitamin C contradicts what all the

experts write. Too much C will give one loose stool, but no other

problems. Animals which make their own C make vastly more C than the

RDA. I normally take ~10 grams of C per day. Before I started

drining whey, I needed ~30 grams a day to get softened stools.

Alobar

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM, spthompson49<spthompson49@...> wrote:

>

> I do believe that one can get too much vitamin C, and I've had symptoms in the

past, mainly sore joints, crystallized deposits from excess vitamins B and C, I

think.  (I read about this someplace reputable and will post if I can recall

where.)  The pain goes away when I stop the vitamins.  So I might know if

there's an overdose situation.

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Not everyone agrees. Anyone suffering from a copper deficiency should not be

taking excessive vitamin C (although most folks have elevated copper levels).

Check out: http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html

Negative effects of Vitamin C: Diarrhea, abdominal cramps, high stomach acid,

increased urination, insomnia, irritability, joint pains, osteoporosis,

headaches, hypoglycemia, weakness, anemia, PMS, may increase infections by

causing copper deficiency, reduced estrogen, reduced progesterone, reduced

prolactin.

Also look at:

http://www.unveilingthem.com/CopperTheMalignedMineral.htm

While the Linus ing Institute notes that vitamin C supplements produces a

copper deficiency in guinea pigs, they have not recognized that the same

deficiency occurs in humans.

>

> >

> > I do believe that one can get too much vitamin C, and I've had symptoms in

the past, mainly sore joints, crystallized deposits from excess vitamins B and

C, I think.  (I read about this someplace reputable and will post if I can

recall where.)  The pain goes away when I stop the vitamins.  So I might know if

there's an overdose situation.

>

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Yes, I apologize for throwing that out there without a proper reference, but I

thought the personal experience was worth mentioning. I'll try to recall the

source. I didn't come up with it on my own, ran across it while studying for

the master's degree. It had never occurred to me that my joint pain was caused

by vitamin overdose. I tested it a few times, because I couldn't believe it,

but sure enough, each time I took anything high in C, including garcinia, the

pain came back.

I also ran across a tidbit about alpha-lipoic acid. It can cause hair loss

because it competes with biotin. Lester Packer, a huge promoter of

alpha-lipoic, tucked this little known fact near the end of his book, The

Antioxidant Miracle. Mentioned it just once. Mid-chapter, mid-paragraph, near

end of book. Personally I thought it should be in bold type and italics.

The more I studied, the more I believed that our scientific knowledge is like a

snowflake atop an iceberg.

S

>

> >

> > I do believe that one can get too much vitamin C, and I've had symptoms in

the past, mainly sore joints, crystallized deposits from excess vitamins B and

C, I think.  (I read about this someplace reputable and will post if I can

recall where.)  The pain goes away when I stop the vitamins.  So I might know if

there's an overdose situation.

>

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Not everyone agrees on anything. The docs and pharmaceutical

industry don't want people taking high doses of C because it cuts into

their profits. If some has a Copper deficiency, take more copper

rather than cutting back on C. Loose stool comes when one takes too

much. Loose stool is not the end of the world, and can be minimized

by taking C in small doses every hour. I suppose if one took a

massive dose of C all at once, one might get abdominal cramps, but

taking it in small doses all day long would eliminate that problem.

I have been reading about the benefits from taking C to bowel

tolerance for over 30 years now. Most animals make their own C.

They do so in very large quantity. If high C caused all the problems

below, why aren't all the other animals sick, and have massive hormone

imbalances? Excessive vitamin C is taking it at levels greater than

bowel tolerance. Taking C to bowel tolerance is not excessive. One

can overdo anything, even water, so, of course, one can always take

too much C or anything else.

The Linus ing Institute has drastically undermined the work of

Linus ing. The Linus ing institute was probably bought out

by the docs and drug companies who don't want people taking high doses

of C daily.

Alobar

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:00 PM, cadalyst<serich@...> wrote:

> Not everyone agrees.   Anyone suffering from a copper deficiency should not be

taking excessive vitamin C (although most folks have elevated copper levels).

>

> Check out:  http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html

> Negative effects of Vitamin C:  Diarrhea, abdominal cramps, high stomach acid,

increased urination, insomnia, irritability, joint pains, osteoporosis,

headaches, hypoglycemia, weakness, anemia, PMS, may increase infections by

causing copper deficiency, reduced estrogen, reduced progesterone, reduced

prolactin.

>

> Also look at:

> http://www.unveilingthem.com/CopperTheMalignedMineral.htm

>

> While the Linus ing Institute notes that vitamin C supplements produces a

copper deficiency in guinea pigs, they have not recognized that the same

deficiency occurs in humans.

>

>

>>

>> Your experience with high dose vitamin C contradicts what all the

>> experts write.   Too much C will give one loose stool, but no other

>> problems.   Animals which make their own C make vastly more C than the

>> RDA.   I normally take ~10 grams of C per day.   Before I started

>> drining whey, I needed ~30 grams a day to get softened stools.

>>

>> Alobar

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When I was studying for my certificate in nutrition I learned that many people

are called vit c " Responders " , and there are others who actually do not respond

to C in any amount.

My former husband was a responder; for him, high doses of C acted like a miracle

drug. It was amazing.

Vitamin C-----in every form that is possible to obtain (except IV) does nothing

at all for me, and in slightly high doses just causes diarrhea.

I've even just finished up a box of the LivOn liposomal C and noticed absolutely

nothing. In fact, I'm bruising more easily than usual. I DO take high quality

bioflavenoids as well, before anybody jumps on that!

We are all metabolically unique. How I wish I could get the great benefits that

so many do from Vit C!

But " one man's meat.......... " yada, yada

Sharon

Not everyone agrees on anything. The docs and pharmaceutical

industry don't want people taking high doses of C because it cuts into

their profits. If some has a Copper deficiency, take more copper

rather than cutting back on C. Loose stool comes when one takes too

much. Loose stool is not the end of the world, and can be minimized

by taking C in small doses every hour. I suppose if one took a

massive dose of C all at once, one might get abdominal cramps, but

taking it in small doses all day long would eliminate that problem.

I have been reading about the benefits from taking C to bowel

tolerance for over 30 years now. Most animals make their own C.

They do so in very large quantity. If high C caused all the problems

below, why aren't all the other animals sick, and have massive hormone

imbalances? Excessive vitamin C is taking it at levels greater than

bowel tolerance. Taking C to bowel tolerance is not excessive. One

can overdo anything, even water, so, of course, one can always take

too much C or anything else.

The Linus ing Institute has drastically undermined the work of

Linus ing. The Linus ing institute was probably bought out

by the docs and drug companies who don't want people taking high doses

of C daily.

Alobar

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:00 PM, cadalyst<serich@...> wrote:

> Not everyone agrees. Anyone suffering from a copper deficiency should not be

taking excessive vitamin C (although most folks have elevated copper levels).

>

> Check out: http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html

> Negative effects of Vitamin C: Diarrhea, abdominal cramps, high stomach acid,

increased urination, insomnia, irritability, joint pains, osteoporosis,

headaches, hypoglycemia, weakness, anemia, PMS, may increase infections by

causing copper deficiency, reduced estrogen, reduced progesterone, reduced

prolactin.

>

> Also look at:

> http://www.unveilingthem.com/CopperTheMalignedMineral.htm

>

> While the Linus ing Institute notes that vitamin C supplements produces a

copper deficiency in guinea pigs, they have not recognized that the same

deficiency occurs in humans.

>

>

>>

>> Your experience with high dose vitamin C contradicts what all the

>> experts write. Too much C will give one loose stool, but no other

>> problems. Animals which make their own C make vastly more C than the

>> RDA. I normally take ~10 grams of C per day. Before I started

>> drining whey, I needed ~30 grams a day to get softened stools.

>>

>> Alobar

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*not all medicine or food works on everybody*

*if it works for u well and good*

*otherwise chuck it away*

*thank you*

truly yours

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عبدالله بن تون حاج محمد يوس٠بن حاج

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Starshar <starshar@...> wrote:

>

>

> When I was studying for my certificate in nutrition I learned that many

> people are called vit c " Responders " , and there are others who actually do

> not respond to C in any amount.

> My former husband was a responder; for him, high doses of C acted like a

> miracle drug. It was amazing.

>

> Vitamin C-----in every form that is possible to obtain (except IV) does

> nothing at all for me, and in slightly high doses just causes diarrhea.

>

> I've even just finished up a box of the LivOn liposomal C and noticed

> absolutely nothing. In fact, I'm bruising more easily than usual. I DO take

> high quality bioflavenoids as well, before anybody jumps on that!

>

> We are all metabolically unique. How I wish I could get the great benefits

> that so many do from Vit C!

>

> But " one man's meat.......... " yada, yada

>

> Sharon

>

>

> Not everyone agrees on anything. The docs and pharmaceutical

> industry don't want people taking high doses of C because it cuts into

> their profits. If some has a Copper deficiency, take more copper

> rather than cutting back on C. Loose stool comes when one takes too

> much. Loose stool is not the end of the world, and can be minimized

> by taking C in small doses every hour. I suppose if one took a

> massive dose of C all at once, one might get abdominal cramps, but

> taking it in small doses all day long would eliminate that problem.

>

> I have been reading about the benefits from taking C to bowel

> tolerance for over 30 years now. Most animals make their own C.

> They do so in very large quantity. If high C caused all the problems

> below, why aren't all the other animals sick, and have massive hormone

> imbalances? Excessive vitamin C is taking it at levels greater than

> bowel tolerance. Taking C to bowel tolerance is not excessive. One

> can overdo anything, even water, so, of course, one can always take

> too much C or anything else.

>

> The Linus ing Institute has drastically undermined the work of

> Linus ing. The Linus ing institute was probably bought out

> by the docs and drug companies who don't want people taking high doses

> of C daily.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:00 PM, cadalyst<serich@...<serich%40>>

> wrote:

> > Not everyone agrees. Anyone suffering from a copper deficiency should not

> be taking excessive vitamin C (although most folks have elevated copper

> levels).

> >

> > Check out: http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html

> > Negative effects of Vitamin C: Diarrhea, abdominal cramps, high stomach

> acid, increased urination, insomnia, irritability, joint pains,

> osteoporosis, headaches, hypoglycemia, weakness, anemia, PMS, may increase

> infections by causing copper deficiency, reduced estrogen, reduced

> progesterone, reduced prolactin.

> >

> > Also look at:

> > http://www.unveilingthem.com/CopperTheMalignedMineral.htm

> >

> > While the Linus ing Institute notes that vitamin C supplements

> produces a copper deficiency in guinea pigs, they have not recognized that

> the same deficiency occurs in humans.

> >

> >

> >>

> >> Your experience with high dose vitamin C contradicts what all the

> >> experts write. Too much C will give one loose stool, but no other

> >> problems. Animals which make their own C make vastly more C than the

> >> RDA. I normally take ~10 grams of C per day. Before I started

> >> drining whey, I needed ~30 grams a day to get softened stools.

> >>

> >> Alobar

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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I've been taking one ounce of the homemade lipo C per day for a week now. The

only thing I've noticed is very steady hands, and now I actually feel this

steadiness in my arms, as if some huge calm is slowly creeping through my body.

Very odd. When I hold my arm out, I'm steadier than my kids or grandson.

It's a mystery. But it's most welcome.

Alobar, although other animals manufacture vitamin C, and although humans are

perhaps meant to, I think the point was made in some of the references on this

thread that humans (nor any animal) didn't evolve to *digest* so much vitamin C.

The side effects mentioned might be cause by the digestion of it, causing

irritation to the bowels and overtaxing of the kidneys, which the lipo C is

supposed to bypass. Just a guess. So far I've had no negative side effects.

S

> >>

> >> Your experience with high dose vitamin C contradicts what all the

> >> experts write.   Too much C will give one loose stool, but no other

> >> problems.   Animals which make their own C make vastly more C than the

> >> RDA.   I normally take ~10 grams of C per day.   Before I started

> >> drining whey, I needed ~30 grams a day to get softened stools.

> >>

> >> Alobar

>

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