Re: CO and a low carb diet

[Guest guest]

I used to be carb addicted. As with any addiction, it is almost

impossible to moderate an addiction. One needs to go cold turkey. I

have not had a slice of bread in 8 years. Initially, I would drool

when passing by a bakery with fresh baked bread aroa wafting under my

nose. Now, the smell does not bother me in the least.

From whjat I have read, it is not real healthy to bounce back and

forth between low and high weight. Far better to find a diet one can

live with forever.

Alobar

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM, SYLVIA PRICE<LadyofYorkies@...> wrote:

> I have been on the HCG diet protocol off and on for close to 2 years now. I

> have lost a lot of weight but put most of it back on. I don't know what is

> wrong with me that I can't stick to it but it isn't working for me now. I

> hate to let it go because I *know* it works but if I can't stick to it then

> I am wasting money. One thing I found out is that I gain very easy eating

> breads. Breads are carbs and starches right? So I have been trying to avoid

> anything that I know has obvious starches and sugars in it. My weight has

> stabilized but has a wide range of fluctuation.

>

> I suspect I have very bad candida and that is part of the problem but so is

> money. I have a very big family and my husband is on disability from SS and

> VA. His VA has just been cut down by more than half so I can't afford the

> HCG until things get straightened out. There has been a paperwork glitch. At

> the same time, while CO is less expensive, it's not cheap but I think I can

> manage to keep buying the smaller jars of Tropical Traditions.

>

> What I would like to know is, where is everyone's best idea of a low carb

> diet? Keep in mind I have a family of 12 and can't afford diets with wine

> and specialty items in the recipes. Thanks everyone. Sylvia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sylvia,

My doc thought I might have candida too. I've been on the HCG diet and

stabilized but I do notice that I will increase in weight if I eat a lot of

breads/sugar too. When I start feeling that bloated inflammation feeling, I

switch back to eating Melba and scale back on the sugars. By the way, have you

been checked for thyroid, adrenal, pituitary issues? I was told I was " normal "

for years until I had a fit and started to see specialists who would order and

correctly read the tests. That could be an underlying issue that could be

impacting you. Also, from talking with fellow thyroid patients there seems to be

a trend among us with having sugar/bread issues & candida and gluten

sensitivities. I noticed that now off the HCG and taking sugar/breads that my

asthma and stomach issues are returning little by little. Jen

>

> I have been on the HCG diet protocol off and on for close to 2 years now. I

> have lost a lot of weight but put most of it back on. I don't know what is

> wrong with me that I can't stick to it but it isn't working for me now. I

> hate to let it go because I *know* it works but if I can't stick to it then

> I am wasting money. One thing I found out is that I gain very easy eating

> breads. Breads are carbs and starches right? So I have been trying to avoid

> anything that I know has obvious starches and sugars in it. My weight has

> stabilized but has a wide range of fluctuation.

>

> I suspect I have very bad candida and that is part of the problem but so is

> money. I have a very big family and my husband is on disability from SS and

> VA. His VA has just been cut down by more than half so I can't afford the

> HCG until things get straightened out. There has been a paperwork glitch. At

> the same time, while CO is less expensive, it's not cheap but I think I can

> manage to keep buying the smaller jars of Tropical Traditions.

>

> What I would like to know is, where is everyone's best idea of a low carb

> diet? Keep in mind I have a family of 12 and can't afford diets with wine

> and specialty items in the recipes. Thanks everyone. Sylvia

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you have a diet that works, why do you revert to eating the foods

which give you " that bloated inflammation feeling " ?

For me, carbs were an addiction. Trying to moderate an addiction

(whether it be carbs, nicotine, heroine, or anything else) is not

nearly as effective as learning how to do without the substances I was

addicted to. Since giving up breads, sugar, and most other carbs, I

no longer have to stuglle with cravings when I pass by a bakery which

smells of fresh baked bread, and I can walk down the candy aisle in a

grocery store without salivating over the candy.

Alobar

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM, healthyhopeful<akaiyuhi2000@...> wrote:

> Hi Sylvia,

> My doc thought I might have candida too. I've been on the HCG diet and

stabilized but I do notice that I will increase in weight if I eat a lot of

breads/sugar too. When I start feeling that bloated inflammation feeling, I

switch back to eating Melba and scale back on the sugars. By the way, have you

been checked for thyroid, adrenal, pituitary issues? I was told I was " normal "

for years until I had a fit and started to see specialists who would order and

correctly read the tests. That could be an underlying issue that could be

impacting you. Also, from talking with fellow thyroid patients there seems to be

a trend among us with having sugar/bread issues & candida and gluten

sensitivities. I noticed that now off the HCG and taking sugar/breads that my

asthma and stomach issues are returning little by little. Jen

>

[Guest guest]

HCG is supposed to be the " training wheels "

that teach you what your body likes and

dislikes through being more conscious of

what makes your body experience inflammation.

Your body is telling you that sugar and gluten

sensitivities are making you gain weight...

but that's not the worst of it ! It is doing

micro damage to your hormones and organs

which adds up and causes health problems

down the road... take it from someone

who didn't pay attention to the early warning

signs. With the help of the NutrEval test by

Genova Diagnostics which gives you a picture

of your oxidative stress, organic acids,

amino acids, essential fatty acids, nutrients

and toxic heavy metal load I am doing much

better. The past four years my health took

a nose dive. I know there won't be any

overnight miracles but being on my new

nutrient regime for about a month now

I am feeling quite a bit better and my

energy is starting to come back. The

past two days I haven't had to hold

on to the railing the whole way up the

stairs ... just needed the help the last

two steps which is very exciting for

me ! I wish I had done this years ago...

I would have saved hundreds of dollars

trying to guess what supplements to take

and I wouldn't be suffering from the

consequences of malnutrition ( yes, you

can be malnourished and fat ! ) because

I wasn't absorbing the supplements I

was taking... I now have to use a

prescription digestive enzyme ! Listen

to your body and deep six the sugar

and gluten... your body will thank you !

> >

> > I have been on the HCG diet protocol off and on for close to 2 years

now. I

> > have lost a lot of weight but put most of it back on. I don't know

what is

> > wrong with me that I can't stick to it but it isn't working for me

now. I

> > hate to let it go because I *know* it works but if I can't stick to

it then

> > I am wasting money. One thing I found out is that I gain very easy

eating

> > breads. Breads are carbs and starches right? So I have been trying

to avoid

> > anything that I know has obvious starches and sugars in it. My

weight has

> > stabilized but has a wide range of fluctuation.

> >

> > I suspect I have very bad candida and that is part of the problem

but so is

> > money. I have a very big family and my husband is on disability from

SS and

> > VA. His VA has just been cut down by more than half so I can't

afford the

> > HCG until things get straightened out. There has been a paperwork

glitch. At

> > the same time, while CO is less expensive, it's not cheap but I

think I can

> > manage to keep buying the smaller jars of Tropical Traditions.

> >

> > What I would like to know is, where is everyone's best idea of a low

carb

> > diet? Keep in mind I have a family of 12 and can't afford diets with

wine

> > and specialty items in the recipes. Thanks everyone. Sylvia

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, actually the HCG weight loss diet is only supposed to be done for a short

time and not meant to be a long term solution like other diet programs. The idea

is to reset your thalamus at a lower weight level- and in the process help teach

you some healthier alternatives. You are given a hormone and put on an extremely

low calorie diet for 23-40 days. Then you go off the hormone and slowly add back

in regular foods/calories.

My naturopath said that it is not good to do it for a long time continuously as

I could develop gall bladder issues.

It isn't meant to address food allergies/sensitivities so I have to figure those

out on my own. I was suspicious of gluten, candida issues before but my regular

doctors pretty much dismissed it/me when I brought it up. An alternative doc

thought I might and started me on the HCG diet to target two birds with one

stone but moved away right in the middle of everything.

I am interested in the Genova testing although I wouldn't begin to know which or

all the tests I need to get. There are so many! So I am in the process of

consulting with a naturopath and finding a new alternative medicine doc to see

what I might need. I also heard from someone who had QRA (Quantum Reflex

Analysis) done so I may look into that as well. There is someone else who does

Loomis Enzymes. Argh! I do get overwhelmed with it all.

When I started adding foods back in I started having some reactions which I

hadn't had before. I don't know if it was because I was " clean " so to speak and

my body was reacting to something in the foods or if I actually have some

sensitivities that I wasn't aware of (Regular food allergy testing came up with

nothing). I am in the process of investigating exactly what is/isn't giving me a

problem. And what it is in the foods that I am reacting to? For example, I broke

out in a rash when I ate caviar. Was it the brand of caviar, a particular fish,

the dyes, mercury maybe? I don't know. And breads - I do fine with Melba toast

but when I eat regular bread over a few days, I start feeling bloated. Is it

gluten? wheat? something else? And why does my stomach feel heavy after eating

oatmeal?

Anyway, it's a journey isn't it?

Jen

> > Hi Sylvia,

> > My doc thought I might have candida too. I've been on the HCG diet and

stabilized but I do notice that I will increase in weight if I eat a lot of

breads/sugar too. When I start feeling that bloated inflammation feeling, I

switch back to eating Melba and scale back on the sugars. By the way, have you

been checked for thyroid, adrenal, pituitary issues? I was told I was " normal "

for years until I had a fit and started to see specialists who would order and

correctly read the tests. That could be an underlying issue that could be

impacting you. Also, from talking with fellow thyroid patients there seems to be

a trend among us with having sugar/bread issues & candida and gluten

sensitivities. I noticed that now off the HCG and taking sugar/breads that my

asthma and stomach issues are returning little by little. Jen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jen, I do believe I am " infested " with candida but yes, I also believe I

have a thyroid problem. The drs have only done the inital testing and say I

am " a little " on the low side of normal but it is my opinion that what is

" normal " for one person is not necessarily normal for the next person. I

think I have adrenal fatigue and need amino acids. I have no clue how to

find someone in my area who is knowledgeable about all this. If we were back

in Tucson, AZ, there are plenty of alternative sources, out here ? I am

trying to figure things out by myself but feel like I am floundering and

can't afford to do everything I think I need. Sylvia

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:24 AM, healthyhopeful <akaiyuhi2000@...>wrote:

> Hi Sylvia,

> My doc thought I might have candida too. I've been on the HCG diet and

> stabilized but I do notice that I will increase in weight if I eat a lot of

> breads/sugar too. When I start feeling that bloated inflammation feeling, I

> switch back to eating Melba and scale back on the sugars. By the way, have

> you been checked for thyroid, adrenal, pituitary issues? I was told I was

> " normal " for years until I had a fit and started to see specialists who

> would order and correctly read the tests. That could be an underlying issue

> that could be impacting you. Also, from talking with fellow thyroid patients

> there seems to be a trend among us with having sugar/bread issues & candida

> and gluten sensitivities. I noticed that now off the HCG and taking

> sugar/breads that my asthma and stomach issues are returning little by

> little. Jen

>

>

>

> >

> > I have been on the HCG diet protocol off and on for close to 2 years now.

> I

> > have lost a lot of weight but put most of it back on. I don't know what

> is

> > wrong with me that I can't stick to it but it isn't working for me now. I

> > hate to let it go because I *know* it works but if I can't stick to it

> then

> > I am wasting money. One thing I found out is that I gain very easy eating

> > breads. Breads are carbs and starches right? So I have been trying to

> avoid

> > anything that I know has obvious starches and sugars in it. My weight has

> > stabilized but has a wide range of fluctuation.

> >

> > I suspect I have very bad candida and that is part of the problem but so

> is

> > money. I have a very big family and my husband is on disability from SS

> and

> > VA. His VA has just been cut down by more than half so I can't afford the

> > HCG until things get straightened out. There has been a paperwork glitch.

> At

> > the same time, while CO is less expensive, it's not cheap but I think I

> can

> > manage to keep buying the smaller jars of Tropical Traditions.

> >

> > What I would like to know is, where is everyone's best idea of a low carb

> > diet? Keep in mind I have a family of 12 and can't afford diets with wine

> > and specialty items in the recipes. Thanks everyone. Sylvia

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You concur with Jen's words, " ...a trend among us with having sugar/bread issues

& candida and gluten sensitivities " with regard to the thyroid and candida

issues, and this is echoed on the candidiasis list.

Thyroid is driven low and adrenaline and cortisol driven high by stress, namely

the stress of toxin load and the stress of malnutrition, perhaps more; both are

stressors driven by the irritation of bowel dysbiosis and candida. Prolonged

dysbiosis/candida causes celiac disease because the same protein that occurs in

candida cell walls is also present in gluten so aggravates the predisposition to

celiac. If you curb the dysbiosis for many months with a low-carb diet,

prebiotics and probiotics, you might still escape the need to eliminate gluten

and even most carbs forever.

Some people us several natural fungicides and antimicrobials in addition, to

make the process faster.

Welcome to the candidaisis list:

candidiasis

all good,

Duncan

..

>

> Jen, I do believe I am " infested " with candida but yes, I also believe I

> have a thyroid problem.

[Guest guest]

ladies! what do farmers feed their animals to gain weight? GRAINS! I rest my

case. Find out your Metabolic Type also. This a useful peg to hand your hat on

for sstarters.

 Hewre is a lin k for a free self test online, Just answer the questions

truthfully and ..learn!

 ok.. here it is...

http://www.naturalhealthyellowpages.com/metabolic/self_test.html

 Rosie

HCG is supposed to be the " training wheels "

that teach you what your body likes and

dislikes through being more conscious of

what makes your body experience inflammation.

Your body is telling you that sugar and gluten

sensitivities are making you gain weight...

( shortened)

[Guest guest]

They also feed pigs SKIM milk to make them fatter, which most people

think is a good " diet " food.

On Aug 18, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Rosie Angel <do11ydaydreme@...>

wrote:

> ladies! what do farmers feed their animals to gain weight? GRAINS! I

> rest my case. Find out your Metabolic Type also. This a useful peg

> to hand your hat on for sstarters.

> Hewre is a lin k for a free self test online, Just answer the

> questions truthfully and ..learn!

> ok.. here it is...

>

> http://www.naturalhealthyellowpages.com/metabolic/self_test.html

>

> Rosie

>

>

>

> HCG is supposed to be the " training wheels "

> that teach you what your body likes and

> dislikes through being more conscious of

> what makes your body experience inflammation.

> Your body is telling you that sugar and gluten

> sensitivities are making you gain weight...

> ( shortened)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

They told me I was a little low for years too but within average range so they

didn't do anything. My TSH was at 2.8 which the labs reported was in range

(.35-5.50)

Then I went to an Endocrinologist and he said, " According to the American

Association of Clinical Endocrinologists, the normal range (of TSH) should be

around 0.3 to 3.0. This is really still a tenfold range and ideally (I) should

be somewhere between 0.8 and 1.3. "

In addition they ran a complete thyroid panel and found out that I had

Hashimoto's which was not caught with just the TSH lab. Plus there are other

factors they have to take in account such as if T3 and T4 are converting

appropriately, if you have enough iron and D3 to for thyroid functioning, etc.

They really need to do a complete panel to be sure.

I read on HCG Dieters forum ( " DIY adrenal support " Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:31am)

where she talks about adrenal balancing. She basically said there are various

treatments for adrenals depending on what stage of distress your adrenals are

in. Initially I was high on cortisol now I am too low. So I am in the process of

consulting with my doctors on it. I'm finding that they tend to have different

approaches on adrenals as well.

It would be beneficial if you can find a really good Endo in your area. You may

consider checking to see if you have a Thyroid group in your region. The

one I am on has a doctor database for Endos/Naturopaths/MDs in my area, their

approach, types of labs they pull and how well they work with you. They really

helped me a lot.

Unfortunately, my regular doctors and Endo don't really seem to be too versed in

nutrition and other issues like candida and gluten so I have been working with a

naturopath and alternative medicine doctor on that. On another forum, I chatted

with someone who went to a QRA practitioner who had success with getting all her

issues addressed. We have one in this area who also happens to be an alternative

medicine doctor so I may check into him.

What area do you live in? Surely, there has got to be someone halfway decent

around. (I managed to find a NUCCA chiropractor and a good acupuncturist in El

Paso, TX of all places!)

Jen

> > >

> > > I have been on the HCG diet protocol off and on for close to 2 years now.

> > I

> > > have lost a lot of weight but put most of it back on. I don't know what

> > is

> > > wrong with me that I can't stick to it but it isn't working for me now. I

> > > hate to let it go because I *know* it works but if I can't stick to it

> > then

> > > I am wasting money. One thing I found out is that I gain very easy eating

> > > breads. Breads are carbs and starches right? So I have been trying to

> > avoid

> > > anything that I know has obvious starches and sugars in it. My weight has

> > > stabilized but has a wide range of fluctuation.

> > >

> > > I suspect I have very bad candida and that is part of the problem but so

> > is

> > > money. I have a very big family and my husband is on disability from SS

> > and

> > > VA. His VA has just been cut down by more than half so I can't afford the

> > > HCG until things get straightened out. There has been a paperwork glitch.

> > At

> > > the same time, while CO is less expensive, it's not cheap but I think I

> > can

> > > manage to keep buying the smaller jars of Tropical Traditions.

> > >

> > > What I would like to know is, where is everyone's best idea of a low carb

> > > diet? Keep in mind I have a family of 12 and can't afford diets with wine

> > > and specialty items in the recipes. Thanks everyone. Sylvia

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Duncan, you are awesome. I wish my doctors would explain things like

this. Jen

> >

> > Jen, I do believe I am " infested " with candida but yes, I also believe I

> > have a thyroid problem.

>

[Guest guest]

Correct . Whole organic cream milk is the one to drink... it is natural and

from grass fed cows.. doesnt make you fat!

Since escluding trans fats form my eating and using organic butter and extra

olive oil, palm oil and cocnut oil I have lost one and a half stones in 12

months.

 

Rosie

> HCG is supposed to be the " training wheels "

> that teach you what your body likes and

> dislikes through being more conscious of

> what makes your body experience inflammation.

> Your body is telling you that sugar and gluten

> sensitivities are making you gain weight...

> ( shortened)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Skim milk is a low-fat, high-protein (dry weight) food, that makes one put on

LEAN tissue (if you can digest the casein). In that way it IS a good diet food;

it increases metabolic rate like other proteins do.

Duncan

> > HCG is supposed to be the " training wheels "

> > that teach you what your body likes and

> > dislikes through being more conscious of

> > what makes your body experience inflammation.

> > Your body is telling you that sugar and gluten

> > sensitivities are making you gain weight...

> > ( shortened)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Awesome AND sexy, according to my wife!! (grin)

I agree that doctors should be better informed AND should pass along better

information.

At your service Jen.

Duncan

> >

> > You concur with Jen's words, " ...a trend among us with having sugar/bread

issues & candida and gluten sensitivities " with regard to the thyroid and

candida issues, and this is echoed on the candidiasis list.

> >

> > Thyroid is driven low and adrenaline and cortisol driven high by stress,

namely the stress of toxin load and the stress of malnutrition, perhaps more;

both are stressors driven by the irritation of bowel dysbiosis and candida.

Prolonged dysbiosis/candida causes celiac disease because the same protein that

occurs in candida cell walls is also present in gluten so aggravates the

predisposition to celiac. If you curb the dysbiosis for many months with a

low-carb diet, prebiotics and probiotics, you might still escape the need to

eliminate gluten and even most carbs forever.

> >

> > Some people us several natural fungicides and antimicrobials in addition, to

make the process faster.

> >

> > Welcome to the candidaisis list:

> > candidiasis

[Guest guest]

Absolutely, Rosie! I've never felt or looked better since I started

drinking raw whole milk from grass fed cows instead of that processed

no-fat, low-fat crap milk.

On Aug 18, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Rosie Angel wrote:

> Correct . Whole organic cream milk is the one to drink... it

> is natural and from grass fed cows.. doesnt make you fat!

> Since escluding trans fats form my eating and using organic butter

> and extra olive oil, palm oil and cocnut oil I have lost one and a

> half stones in 12 months.

>

> Rosie

[Guest guest]

I could never have any faith on a diet that advises to eat 500 calories

a day, it's been a well-known fact that eating too few calories causes

the thyroid to reduce its output. I knew a lady that for years her

doctor had her on less than 1,000 calories and eventually her metabolism

slowed down in such a manner she had to continue that for life.

Regarding your sensitivities, I think that happens to a lot of us and I

still don't know the reason why either, maybe our bodies are trying to

prevent us from starting the " cycle " all over again... As for bread, if

it comes wrapped in plastic, the possibility is unseen mold/mycotoxins.

I read that if one is not going to eat it all the first day it should be

frozen to avoid that. Since I have a candida/fungus problem I won't be

eating any bread any time soon. I think I regressed because during the

dry cooler months I do much better and could tolerate foods that now I

can't eat. So I thought the problem was gone but I now believe by

eating foods with mycotoxins I actually made sure the problem was never

fully gone.

Raquel

>

> Yes, actually the HCG weight loss diet is only supposed to be done for

a short time and not meant to be a long term solution like other diet

programs. The idea is to reset your thalamus at a lower weight level-

and in the process help teach you some healthier alternatives. You are

given a hormone and put on an extremely low calorie diet for 23-40 days.

Then you go off the hormone and slowly add back in regular

foods/calories.

>

> My naturopath said that it is not good to do it for a long time

continuously as I could develop gall bladder issues.

>

> It isn't meant to address food allergies/sensitivities so I have to

figure those out on my own. I was suspicious of gluten, candida issues

before but my regular doctors pretty much dismissed it/me when I brought

it up. An alternative doc thought I might and started me on the HCG diet

to target two birds with one stone but moved away right in the middle of

everything.

>

> I am interested in the Genova testing although I wouldn't begin to

know which or all the tests I need to get. There are so many! So I am in

the process of consulting with a naturopath and finding a new

alternative medicine doc to see what I might need. I also heard from

someone who had QRA (Quantum Reflex Analysis) done so I may look into

that as well. There is someone else who does Loomis Enzymes. Argh! I do

get overwhelmed with it all.

>

> When I started adding foods back in I started having some reactions

which I hadn't had before. I don't know if it was because I was " clean "

so to speak and my body was reacting to something in the foods or if I

actually have some sensitivities that I wasn't aware of (Regular food

allergy testing came up with nothing). I am in the process of

investigating exactly what is/isn't giving me a problem. And what it is

in the foods that I am reacting to? For example, I broke out in a rash

when I ate caviar. Was it the brand of caviar, a particular fish, the

dyes, mercury maybe? I don't know. And breads - I do fine with Melba

toast but when I eat regular bread over a few days, I start feeling

bloated. Is it gluten? wheat? something else? And why does my stomach

feel heavy after eating oatmeal?

>

> Anyway, it's a journey isn't it?

>

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm- didn't think about the plastic and the mold on bread. Maybe that is why I

do well with dry Melba crackers vs. bread. I'm allergic to mold so I will check

into it.

Actually the diet can't be done without the HCG which is a hormone which keeps

you from going into starvation mode. If you tried to go low cal without it you

would starve and retain and/or hurt your organs.

I know what you mean though about calories/thyroid in general because I used to

not eat very much and I gained a lot of weight and got pretty sick.

Jen

> >

> > Yes, actually the HCG weight loss diet is only supposed to be done for

> a short time and not meant to be a long term solution like other diet

> programs. The idea is to reset your thalamus at a lower weight level-

> and in the process help teach you some healthier alternatives. You are

> given a hormone and put on an extremely low calorie diet for 23-40 days.

> Then you go off the hormone and slowly add back in regular

> foods/calories.

> >

> > My naturopath said that it is not good to do it for a long time

> continuously as I could develop gall bladder issues.

> >

> > It isn't meant to address food allergies/sensitivities so I have to

> figure those out on my own. I was suspicious of gluten, candida issues

> before but my regular doctors pretty much dismissed it/me when I brought

> it up. An alternative doc thought I might and started me on the HCG diet

> to target two birds with one stone but moved away right in the middle of

> everything.

> >

> > I am interested in the Genova testing although I wouldn't begin to

> know which or all the tests I need to get. There are so many! So I am in

> the process of consulting with a naturopath and finding a new

> alternative medicine doc to see what I might need. I also heard from

> someone who had QRA (Quantum Reflex Analysis) done so I may look into

> that as well. There is someone else who does Loomis Enzymes. Argh! I do

> get overwhelmed with it all.

> >

> > When I started adding foods back in I started having some reactions

> which I hadn't had before. I don't know if it was because I was " clean "

> so to speak and my body was reacting to something in the foods or if I

> actually have some sensitivities that I wasn't aware of (Regular food

> allergy testing came up with nothing). I am in the process of

> investigating exactly what is/isn't giving me a problem. And what it is

> in the foods that I am reacting to? For example, I broke out in a rash

> when I ate caviar. Was it the brand of caviar, a particular fish, the

> dyes, mercury maybe? I don't know. And breads - I do fine with Melba

> toast but when I eat regular bread over a few days, I start feeling

> bloated. Is it gluten? wheat? something else? And why does my stomach

> feel heavy after eating oatmeal?

> >

> > Anyway, it's a journey isn't it?

> >

> > Jen

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Regardless of the use of HCG (I did read about it), I think it's a bad

idea, you really can't try to fool the body for long, IMO it's a

desperate measure that can in no way be a permanent way of life.

Humans have tried for the longest time to change, improve or otherwise

tamper with the natural way of things and the results have never been

good for the long run... Anyone is free to do as they please, of

course, but there is usually a price to be paid and it often shows

later, when we're not even putting two and two together. From what I

saw, this diet's hayday was a LONG time ago and if it went out of the

radar must've been for good reason, but lately somebody must've decided

to unearth it because there's always lots of people looking for the

" magic bullet " and once again it has become a fad, I still say beware,

fad diets are rarely any good.

It doesn't cease to amaze me that each year there's at least one " new "

diet claiming success. There's only 3 major elements in food that can

be manipulated: proteins, carbs & fats, and all types of

combos/proportions have already been tried and ALL have had some degree

of success, so I don't even get very curious any more when I hear of the

latest diet book, as the saying goes " there's nothing new under the

sun " .

Raquel

> > >

> > > Yes, actually the HCG weight loss diet is only supposed to be done

for

> > a short time and not meant to be a long term solution like other

diet

> > programs. The idea is to reset your thalamus at a lower weight

level-

> > and in the process help teach you some healthier alternatives. You

are

> > given a hormone and put on an extremely low calorie diet for 23-40

days.

> > Then you go off the hormone and slowly add back in regular

> > foods/calories.

> > >

> > > My naturopath said that it is not good to do it for a long time

> > continuously as I could develop gall bladder issues.

> > >

> > > It isn't meant to address food allergies/sensitivities so I have

to

> > figure those out on my own. I was suspicious of gluten, candida

issues

> > before but my regular doctors pretty much dismissed it/me when I

brought

> > it up. An alternative doc thought I might and started me on the HCG

diet

> > to target two birds with one stone but moved away right in the

middle of

> > everything.

> > >

> > > I am interested in the Genova testing although I wouldn't begin to

> > know which or all the tests I need to get. There are so many! So I

am in

> > the process of consulting with a naturopath and finding a new

> > alternative medicine doc to see what I might need. I also heard

from

> > someone who had QRA (Quantum Reflex Analysis) done so I may look

into

> > that as well. There is someone else who does Loomis Enzymes. Argh! I

do

> > get overwhelmed with it all.

> > >

> > > When I started adding foods back in I started having some

reactions

> > which I hadn't had before. I don't know if it was because I was

" clean "

> > so to speak and my body was reacting to something in the foods or if

I

> > actually have some sensitivities that I wasn't aware of (Regular

food

> > allergy testing came up with nothing). I am in the process of

> > investigating exactly what is/isn't giving me a problem. And what it

is

> > in the foods that I am reacting to? For example, I broke out in a

rash

> > when I ate caviar. Was it the brand of caviar, a particular fish,

the

> > dyes, mercury maybe? I don't know. And breads - I do fine with Melba

> > toast but when I eat regular bread over a few days, I start feeling

> > bloated. Is it gluten? wheat? something else? And why does my

stomach

> > feel heavy after eating oatmeal?

> > >

> > > Anyway, it's a journey isn't it?

> > >

> > > Jen

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I also paid the price, the HCG indeed changed my life for the better.......

After doing a round of HCG, I was able to stabilize my candida by

gaining/learning a new, healthy way to eat, I was able to get off blood

pressure

pills and anti-depressants/anti-anxiety pills that my MD gave me because she

didn't know what else to do......I now eat healthy, look healthy and feel

best I've ever felt in my life..............It also stabilized my thyroid

and adrenals, which had been out of whack for years...........

The BEST thing it did for me, was to teach me a better way of looking at

my health and habits.......

Blessings, Margaret

Heaven is within us. It has nothing ultimately to do with thoughts of

someone else, and everything to do with what we choose to think - not just

about one person, but about all people.

nne on

[Guest guest]

I must say that indeed you are correct in saying that there is a price to be

paid. My sister paid the price for going on the HCG diet. She regained kidney

function, got off of her thyroid medication, got off of her insulin. If her back

hadn't been so messed up due to all the years of being obese, she probably would

have been able to get off of pain meds too. Her doctor was amazed.

Myra

________________________________

From: latinainwpb2 <latinainwpb2@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:17:47 AM

Subject: Re: CO and a low carb diet

Regardless of the use of HCG (I did read about it), I think it's a bad

idea, you really can't try to fool the body for long, IMO it's a

desperate measure that can in no way be a permanent way of life.

Humans have tried for the longest time to change, improve or otherwise

tamper with the natural way of things and the results have never been

good for the long run... Anyone is free to do as they please, of

course, but there is usually a price to be paid and it often shows

later, when we're not even putting two and two together. From what I

saw, this diet's hayday was a LONG time ago and if it went out of the

radar must've been for good reason, but lately somebody must've decided

to unearth it because there's always lots of people looking for the

" magic bullet " and once again it has become a fad, I still say beware,

fad diets are rarely any good.

It doesn't cease to amaze me that each year there's at least one " new "

diet claiming success. There's only 3 major elements in food that can

be manipulated: proteins, carbs & fats, and all types of

combos/proportions have already been tried and ALL have had some degree

of success, so I don't even get very curious any more when I hear of the

latest diet book, as the saying goes " there's nothing new under the

sun " .

Raquel

> > >

> > > Yes, actually the HCG weight loss diet is only supposed to be done

for

> > a short time and not meant to be a long term solution like other

diet

> > programs. The idea is to reset your thalamus at a lower weight

level-

> > and in the process help teach you some healthier alternatives. You

are

> > given a hormone and put on an extremely low calorie diet for 23-40

days.

> > Then you go off the hormone and slowly add back in regular

> > foods/calories.

> > >

> > > My naturopath said that it is not good to do it for a long time

> > continuously as I could develop gall bladder issues.

> > >

> > > It isn't meant to address food allergies/sensitivi ties so I have

to

> > figure those out on my own. I was suspicious of gluten, candida

issues

> > before but my regular doctors pretty much dismissed it/me when I

brought

> > it up. An alternative doc thought I might and started me on the HCG

diet

> > to target two birds with one stone but moved away right in the

middle of

> > everything.

> > >

> > > I am interested in the Genova testing although I wouldn't begin to

> > know which or all the tests I need to get. There are so many! So I

am in

> > the process of consulting with a naturopath and finding a new

> > alternative medicine doc to see what I might need. I also heard

from

> > someone who had QRA (Quantum Reflex Analysis) done so I may look

into

> > that as well. There is someone else who does Loomis Enzymes. Argh! I

do

> > get overwhelmed with it all.

> > >

> > > When I started adding foods back in I started having some

reactions

> > which I hadn't had before. I don't know if it was because I was

" clean "

> > so to speak and my body was reacting to something in the foods or if

I

> > actually have some sensitivities that I wasn't aware of (Regular

food

> > allergy testing came up with nothing). I am in the process of

> > investigating exactly what is/isn't giving me a problem. And what it

is

> > in the foods that I am reacting to? For example, I broke out in a

rash

> > when I ate caviar. Was it the brand of caviar, a particular fish,

the

> > dyes, mercury maybe? I don't know. And breads - I do fine with Melba

> > toast but when I eat regular bread over a few days, I start feeling

> > bloated. Is it gluten? wheat? something else? And why does my

stomach

> > feel heavy after eating oatmeal?

> > >

> > > Anyway, it's a journey isn't it?

> > >

> > > Jen

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am another one who is " paying the price "

of better health due to the use of the HCG

protocol as written by Simeons in " Pounds

and Inches " . If done as prescribed by him

you will learn to be more conscious of your

body and want to nourish it and not use food

as entertainment. It's not 500 calories forever...

just short spurts during however many Phase 2's

you need to do until you have released all your

abnormal fat stores. This is not a protocol for

those who want to become sickly stick thin. One

does not look gaunt or sickly after doing this

protocol correctly. The only reason you would

put abnormal fat back on your body would be if

you didn't learn your lesson about eating healthy,

nutritious foods and keeping up the calorie count

(as not eating enough will put abnormal fat stores

back onto your body). If you were on a forever starvation diet you

certainly wouldn't be on a

coconut oil forum !!!

> > > >

> > > > Yes, actually the HCG weight loss diet is only supposed to be

done

> for

> > > a short time and not meant to be a long term solution like other

> diet

> > > programs. The idea is to reset your thalamus at a lower weight

> level-

> > > and in the process help teach you some healthier alternatives. You

> are

> > > given a hormone and put on an extremely low calorie diet for 23-40

> days.

> > > Then you go off the hormone and slowly add back in regular

> > > foods/calories.

> > > >

> > > > My naturopath said that it is not good to do it for a long time

> > > continuously as I could develop gall bladder issues.

> > > >

> > > > It isn't meant to address food allergies/sensitivi ties so I

have

> to

> > > figure those out on my own. I was suspicious of gluten, candida

> issues

> > > before but my regular doctors pretty much dismissed it/me when I

> brought

> > > it up. An alternative doc thought I might and started me on the

HCG

> diet

> > > to target two birds with one stone but moved away right in the

> middle of

> > > everything.

> > > >

> > > > I am interested in the Genova testing although I wouldn't begin

to

> > > know which or all the tests I need to get. There are so many! So I

> am in

> > > the process of consulting with a naturopath and finding a new

> > > alternative medicine doc to see what I might need. I also heard

> from

> > > someone who had QRA (Quantum Reflex Analysis) done so I may look

> into

> > > that as well. There is someone else who does Loomis Enzymes. Argh!

I

> do

> > > get overwhelmed with it all.

> > > >

> > > > When I started adding foods back in I started having some

> reactions

> > > which I hadn't had before. I don't know if it was because I was

> " clean "

> > > so to speak and my body was reacting to something in the foods or

if

> I

> > > actually have some sensitivities that I wasn't aware of (Regular

> food

> > > allergy testing came up with nothing). I am in the process of

> > > investigating exactly what is/isn't giving me a problem. And what

it

> is

> > > in the foods that I am reacting to? For example, I broke out in a

> rash

> > > when I ate caviar. Was it the brand of caviar, a particular fish,

> the

> > > dyes, mercury maybe? I don't know. And breads - I do fine with

Melba

> > > toast but when I eat regular bread over a few days, I start

feeling

> > > bloated. Is it gluten? wheat? something else? And why does my

> stomach

> > > feel heavy after eating oatmeal?

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, it's a journey isn't it?

> > > >

> > > > Jen

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have had no formal testing to prove what type of allergies I have but most

of the time I get my allergies after the worst has past for everyone else. I

have come to think it is an allergy to mold(s) of some sort. It does get

worst after a heavy rain at the beginning of spring and then again at the

beginning of fall.

I do know that I need to stay away from breads and other items made from

grains. I just don't see how I can totally avoid them. Since I have been on

p4 of the HCG protocol I am finding that I just can't afford to buy what I

need to maintain the weight loss. When I go back to the cheap foods because

I can't afford to keep buying the foods I used to lose the weight, it means

tuna fish *sandwiches*, bologna *sandwiches*, *hotdogs *and such. You see

the trend? Bread. I just can't see a way around it and have given up on the

HCG for now. Sylvia

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:24 PM, healthyhopeful <akaiyuhi2000@...>wrote:

> Hmmm- didn't think about the plastic and the mold on bread. Maybe that is

> why I do well with dry Melba crackers vs. bread. I'm allergic to mold so I

> will check into it.

>

> Actually the diet can't be done without the HCG which is a hormone which

> keeps you from going into starvation mode. If you tried to go low cal

> without it you would starve and retain and/or hurt your organs.

>

> I know what you mean though about calories/thyroid in general because I

> used to not eat very much and I gained a lot of weight and got pretty sick.

>

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

This site doesn't really help me as it says I should take 40% of my food in

carbs. If I have candida (I say if because it hasn't been technically

diagnosed.) then I need to stay away from most everything in the carb

family. Sylvia

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Rosie Angel <do11ydaydreme@...>wrote:

> ladies! what do farmers feed their animals to gain weight? GRAINS! I rest

> my case. Find out your Metabolic Type also. This a useful peg to hand your

> hat on for sstarters.

> Hewre is a lin k for a free self test online, Just answer the questions

> truthfully and ..learn!

> ok.. here it is...

>

> http://www.naturalhealthyellowpages.com/metabolic/self_test.html

>

> Rosie

>

>

>

> HCG is supposed to be the " training wheels "

> that teach you what your body likes and

> dislikes through being more conscious of

> what makes your body experience inflammation.

> Your body is telling you that sugar and gluten

> sensitivities are making you gain weight...

> ( shortened)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have not ad a slice of bread in about 4 years. When I evacuated

from Hurricane Katrina I had to eat restaurant food for several days,

so I ate bread sauces with sugar, etc.. So staying on a diet can be

done. I am sometimes so broke that I am behind in my rent and

utilities. But I eat properly. Buying non-perishable food in bulk

when I have the cash (whey by the 10 pound sack, meat which I freeze,

etc.) helps me thru the lean times.

Alobar

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:37 AM, SYLVIA PRICE<LadyofYorkies@...> wrote:

> I have had no formal testing to prove what type of allergies I have but most

> of the time I get my allergies after the worst has past for everyone else. I

> have come to think it is an allergy to mold(s) of some sort. It does get

> worst after a heavy rain at the beginning of spring and then again at the

> beginning of fall.

>

> I do know that I need to stay away from breads and other items made from

> grains. I just don't see how I can totally avoid them. Since I have been on

> p4 of the HCG protocol I am finding that I just can't afford to buy what I

> need to maintain the weight loss. When I go back to the cheap foods because

> I can't afford to keep buying the foods I used to lose the weight, it means

> tuna fish *sandwiches*, bologna *sandwiches*, *hotdogs *and such. You see

> the trend? Bread. I just can't see a way around it and have given up on the

> HCG for now. Sylvia

>

[Guest guest]

That's how it went with me and finally this year I realized it was not

just a " mold allergy " but a systemic problem that was " snowballing " on

me.

I'm thinking that maybe you still don't have any real health problems to

speak of, 'cause I would not eat those foods regularly anymore and I

live on a very limited budget. In fact, I haven't had a regular income

for over two years yet God has provided for me in unexpected ways.

Even when my real wish is to eat everything organic and I just can't,

at least I'm trying to make the best choices I can and I hope that

you'll be able to find ways to do that too.

Just ask yourself what is really the point of doing the " famous " HCG

diet to just go back to the foods that piled on the weight in the first

place. And Sylvia, it's not just the weight, it's all the health

problems that eventually come as a result of us eating that way (and I

know you probably know that...). Here's an excellent article, the

contents of which didn't totally sink in me the first few times I read

it, but finally this year made complete sense: The Candida and Fungus

Within Us

<http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/newsletters/2006/the_fungus_with_in_us.ht\

ml> . Grains are always contaminated to one degree or another with

molds and/or the mycotoxins they produce (and so are other foods we eat,

check out this list of The Top-Ten Mycotoxic Foods)

<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/05/toxic-foo\

ds.aspx> so by continuing to eating them, those of us who already have

a problem with them, are compounding the issue.

Here's just a glimpse of what my health history has been: when I was in

my 19 I started with occasional anxiety and depression which progressed

to nearly crippling levels; in my 30s diagnosed with hypoglycemia (the

temporary management of which through diet controlled the other

problems), in my 40s hypothyroidism, early 50s allergies, chronic nasal

congestion and adrenal fatigue, just like it's outlined in that article.

I also read once that there seemed to be a link between allergies and

cancer (also depression and cancer...) and I noticed that one of my

aunts who had had allergies for a long time developed b/c and then my

mother who became allergic after menopause did too (and died of it last

year), I then began to pay attention and sure enough, practically

everyone I came across in forums who had cancer also had allergies or at

least one of the other conditions listed in the above article.

I did low-carb diets a few times between the '90s and early '00s and

felt better, then I read " Eat Right For Your Type " so I began to

understand why " some grains " were not good for me but I still thought it

was not " that big of a deal " . At times I've been extremely frustrated

because I really wanted to buy organic foods and can't afford them, all

I could do was buy organic eggs and a few treats from the health food

store every now and then. However, this year I realized I'd been

spending more money than I should on supplements, a lot of which I

couldn't take regularly because of the sheer number of them, so they

didn't really do anything for me. I've decided to drastically cut back

and buy more " real " food instead. Luckily, recently some of my expenses

lowered also so it's going to be a little easier for me to, for

instance, buy meats with no antibiotics or hormones. I'm still

suffering setbacks in my diet but now I know it's not the norm, just the

exception. I feel that I can only do so much but by improving the

priority of my choices I now can do better than last year and maybe you

can too.

Raquel

>

> I have had no formal testing to prove what type of allergies I have

but most

> of the time I get my allergies after the worst has past for everyone

else. I

> have come to think it is an allergy to mold(s) of some sort. It does

get

> worst after a heavy rain at the beginning of spring and then again at

the

> beginning of fall.

>

> I do know that I need to stay away from breads and other items made

from

> grains. I just don't see how I can totally avoid them. Since I have

been on

> p4 of the HCG protocol I am finding that I just can't afford to buy

what I

> need to maintain the weight loss. When I go back to the cheap foods

because

> I can't afford to keep buying the foods I used to lose the weight, it

means

> tuna fish *sandwiches*, bologna *sandwiches*, *hotdogs *and such. You

see

> the trend? Bread. I just can't see a way around it and have given up

on the

> HCG for now. Sylvia

>

> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:24 PM, healthyhopeful akaiyuhi2000@...wrote:

>

> > Hmmm- didn't think about the plastic and the mold on bread. Maybe

that is

> > why I do well with dry Melba crackers vs. bread. I'm allergic to

mold so I

> > will check into it.

> >

> > Actually the diet can't be done without the HCG which is a hormone

which

> > keeps you from going into starvation mode. If you tried to go low

cal

> > without it you would starve and retain and/or hurt your organs.

> >

> > I know what you mean though about calories/thyroid in general

because I

> > used to not eat very much and I gained a lot of weight and got

pretty sick.

> >

> > Jen

> >

>

>

>