Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot Find?

[Guest guest]

When I could use whey I used Metagenics.....it worked great....now any kind/form

of dairy is an issue for me.

Joan

Hi Duncan, and all:

I recently read a post here that Duncan posted and which he says that NOW Foods

has a cold processed whey isolate that will help produce Glutathione. I just

went to the health food store and none of their NOW whey has any of those

identifying words. " COLD PROCESSED UNDENATURED WHEY PROTEIN " For that matter,

none of their whey had these identifying words. It also did not say it

contained Serum Albumin: 1.3, and or other information posted in the article

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/cold-processed-whey.html

Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive on the

glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....What exactly can I get

that meets these specifications, and is Mercola's the only whey made from grass

fed cow milk???

Thanks Much

[Guest guest]

Health food stores tend to stock the less expensive NOW brand wheys

used by body builders, which are not suitable.to boost glutathione

levels. The particular whey from NOW should have a label which states

" Now Vitamins - Whey Protein Isolate " 10 pound bag has the cheapest

cost per serving. I buy from Vitaglo in Syracuse, NY, SA.

http://www.vitaglo.com/2149.html

Mercola sells what he sells, but that does not mean it is the best,

and rarely is it the least expensive.

Alobar

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Atwood <naturespharma@...> wrote:

> Hi Duncan, and all:

> I recently read a post here that Duncan posted and which he says that NOW

Foods has a cold processed whey isolate that will help produce Glutathione. I

just went to the health food store and none of their NOW whey has any of those

identifying words. " COLD PROCESSED UNDENATURED WHEY PROTEIN "   For that matter,

none of their whey had these identifying words.  It also did not say it

contained Serum Albumin: 1.3, and or other information posted in the article

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/cold-processed-whey.html

>

> Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive on

the glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....What exactly can I

get that meets these specifications, and is Mercola's the only whey made from

grass fed cow milk???

>

> Thanks Much

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can buy cold filtered whey protein isolate in bulk from trueprotein.com:

http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=22 & pid=633

http://is.gd/hT39M

>

> Hi Duncan, and all:

> I recently read a post here that Duncan posted and which he says that NOW

Foods has a cold processed whey isolate that will help produce Glutathione. I

just went to the health food store and none of their NOW whey has any of those

identifying words. " COLD PROCESSED UNDENATURED WHEY PROTEIN "   For that matter,

none of their whey had these identifying words.  It also did not say it

contained Serum Albumin: 1.3, and or other information posted in the article

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/cold-processed-whey.html

>

> Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive on

the glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....What exactly can I

get that meets these specifications, and is Mercola's the only whey made from

grass fed cow milk???

>

> Thanks Much

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

According to a blog on the Weston Price site the thing that has the greatest

negative affect on glutatiione production in whey is heat:

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/the-biochemical-magic-of-raw-milk-and-other-ra\

w-foods-glutathione.html

However, raw milk from grass fed cows is no doubt superior to non-grass fed but

also a lot more expensive. There are, however, several sources of grass-fed whey

besides Dr. Mercola's. I'm listing them from most expensive to least:

PaleoMeal Organic Whey Protein

http://tinyurl.com/273jeh5

$48 for 15 servings = $3.50 a serving

Mercola's Pro-Optimal Whey

$41.17 for 18 servings is $2.32 a serving

Action Whey

http://www.actionwhey.com/ActionWhey/

$2.00 a serving

http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/oneworldwhey.php

$25 a lb. you have to buy 5 lbs. @$130 69 servings = $1.80 a serving

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail

Ori Hofmekler's .83 per serving

Hope this helps,

Dee

>snip

>

> Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive on

the glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....What exactly can I

get that meets these specifications, and is Mercola's the only whey made from

grass fed cow milk???

>

> Thanks Much

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi maria

Regarding this NOW whey isolate unflavored...

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/ProductsbyCategory/Category/M002795.htm?cat=Spo\

rts%20Nutrition%2c%20Vity%20Award%20Winners

I wrote to them about the manufacturing process and below is how they replied:

Processing: Partial predigestion, enzyme hydrolysis, precipitation, ultra

filtration, crossflow microfiltration to remove lactose, ash and fat, and high

speed air drying at low temperatures to avoid denaturing the protein components.

Standard USDA cows not specified as Antibiotic/Hormone free.

I use this brand but I am skeptical as to whether the proteins are truly

undenatured. I would think if it was(undenatured)they would tout this all over

the bag like other manufacturers do.

It is sold all over the web (for best price) - if u cannot find it let me know

e

>

> Hi Duncan, and all:

> I recently read a post here that Duncan posted and which he says that NOW

Foods has a cold processed whey isolate that will help produce Glutathione. I

just went to the health food store and none of their NOW whey has any of those

identifying words. " COLD PROCESSED UNDENATURED WHEY PROTEIN "   For that matter,

none of their whey had these identifying words.  It also did not say it

contained Serum Albumin: 1.3, and or other information posted in the article

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/cold-processed-whey.html

>

> Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive on

the glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....What exactly can I

get that meets these specifications, and is Mercola's the only whey made from

grass fed cow milk???

>

> Thanks Much

>

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[Guest guest]

The link I posted is for pure whey protein isolate, which contains no caffeine.

There are options to have stuff like flavoring and sweetener added, but you can

also buy it plain, with nothing added. I have no idea how you got the idea that

it contains caffeine, as the word 'caffeine' does not appear anywhere on that

page.

> >

> > Hi Duncan, and all:

> > I recently read a post here that Duncan posted and which he says that NOW

Foods has a cold processed whey isolate that will help produce Glutathione. I

just went to the health food store and none of their NOW

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

This is a protein powder I just ordered. Should arrive soon. Not sure if

it meets your needs.

http://www.bioactivenutrients.com/products/165

Deb

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

>

>

> Health food stores tend to stock the less expensive NOW brand wheys

> used by body builders, which are not suitable.to boost glutathione

> levels. The particular whey from NOW should have a label which states

> " Now Vitamins - Whey Protein Isolate " 10 pound bag has the cheapest

> cost per serving. I buy from Vitaglo in Syracuse, NY, SA.

> http://www.vitaglo.com/2149.html

>

> Mercola sells what he sells, but that does not mean it is the best,

> and rarely is it the least expensive.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Atwood

<naturespharma@...<naturespharma%40>>

> wrote:

> > Hi Duncan, and all:

> > I recently read a post here that Duncan posted and which he says that NOW

> Foods has a cold processed whey isolate that will help produce Glutathione.

> I just went to the health food store and none of their NOW whey has any of

> those identifying words. " COLD PROCESSED UNDENATURED WHEY PROTEIN " For that

> matter, none of their whey had these identifying words. It also did not say

> it contained Serum Albumin: 1.3, and or other information posted in the

> article http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/cold-processed-whey.html

> >

> > Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive

> on the glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....What exactly

> can I get that meets these specifications, and is Mercola's the only whey

> made from grass fed cow milk???

> >

> > Thanks Much

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

One World Whey Protein Powder: If you watch this video you will hear that

this product is unique in that it has all the casein removed from the whey.

In my opinion, It may be an alternative to those with leaky gut syndrome,

krebs cycle dysfunction, milk/casein food allergies or intolerance. This is

Unheated Grass Fed Raw Whey Protein Powder.

Quote from site: 100% UNHEATED, cold temperature processed, 100% all

natural, unrefined, bioactive, grass pasture raised milk-whey protein.

Biological Activity

We have been able to retain the complete range of biological activity and

composition of the health-giving whey protein factors as they are found in

nature (i.e., lactalbumins, lactoglobulins, lactoferrins,

glycomacropeptides, amino peptides, etc.) so that the resulting protein is

perfectly

balanced, undamaged, and abundant in life-promoting growth factors and amino

acids –

such as cystine – and other essential nutrients that are commonly lost or

degraded in conventional processing. Cystine is an amino acid that breaks

down into two molecules of cysteine. Cysteine then combines with richly

available amino acids glycine and glutamate inside the cell to produce

glutathione. Glutathione is one of the body’s most important antioxidants. It

is

essential to the liver and entire body for the detoxification of heavy

metals or any other toxins. Glutathione binds to heavy metals inside the cells

and elsewhere and carries them out of the body. It is also essential for the

immune system, and it delays muscular fatigue during exercise. What this

means to you is not only enhanced lean muscle growth, enhanced immunity and

youthful cellular regeneration, but also improved digestion and

assimilation, along with the opportunity to remain healthier and younger –

longer.

(End Quote) The cost is a biti expensive but you get 5 lbs for $129.00.

It is the Whey I am highly considering switching to this week for these

reasons. As I said I was on the Budwig Diet and had major issues with all the

milk in the formula. My private independent volunteer research group spent

many hours and days on this subject and found many things. This is so far

this has peaked my interest the most. I realize my situation is a might more

difficult then others. We also realized answers must be sought since my

daughter and I are not the only ones unable to properly process milk

products. Many people complain about this but are either blown off, quieted, or

no

answer given. What do you think?

_http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/blog/2010/11/unheated-grass-fed-whey-protein

-powder-the-secret-to-unlocking-the-door-to-your-personal-health-freedom/_

(http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/blog/2010/11/unheated-grass-fed-whey-protein-

powder-the-secret-to-unlocking-the-door-to-your-personal-health-freedom/)

Dr Rev Lynnice

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Dairy cows are fed grass, hay, and silage. Beef cattle are fed grain and soy to

fatten and finish them.

All the research on glutathione used whey from grass-fed cows, and it increased

glutathione.

Where does that leave Mercola? He has been credited by author and practitioner

Nenah Sylver on another list for letting his staff " parrot " unsubstantiated myth

as data, and this looks like one of those times. Others say he's sold out, and

indeed his stance against other tested whey products indicates that too.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan, and all:

> I recently read a post here that Duncan posted and which he says that NOW

Foods has a cold processed whey isolate that will help produce Glutathione. I

just went to the health food store and none of their NOW whey has any of those

identifying words. " COLD PROCESSED UNDENATURED WHEY PROTEIN "   For that matter,

none of their whey had these identifying words.  It also did not say it

contained Serum Albumin: 1.3, and or other information posted in the article

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/cold-processed-whey.html

>

> Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive on

the glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....What exactly can I

get that meets these specifications, and is Mercola's the only whey made from

grass fed cow milk???

>

> Thanks Much

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, concentrated undenatured whey protein hasn't been shown in any actual

research to be bad (as far as I know), and Sandy Fallon's comment that it is

also " depleting " may come from some comment or other she may have read, but I've

never run across actual data that supports that notion in the last 10 years. Can

you find out some details?

What we know today from the research and practice is that for many reasons it's

one of the top supplements and anti-aging tools one could use, which would be

completely at odds with Sandy's comment, so it's best that she supports the

statement. She's pretty good at writing cookbooks, but this time we need the

data.

all good,

Duncan

>

> I'm a member of the Weston A Price Foundation, and emailed Sally Fallon

regarding this whey issue. Here's is what she says, and so maybe I will not take

it after all:

>

> You do not want whey powder in any shape or form. . . it is concentrated

>

> protein, very unnatural and very depleting. Sally

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm most impressed by the True Protein. $9-10 a pound for cold-processed HQ

protein sounds great. Only thing is you don't know what the taste will be like

with a custom mix. Beware some Whey's have sucralose (Splenda) as their

sweetener.

How True Protein works - (from TP forum)

http://66.147.240.153/~trueprot/showthread.php?t=6018

2 Cold/Low Temp Whey Proteins

(1) Country Life, Biochem, Tri-Protein Plus Powder, Vanilla - 2 lbs - $23

http://snipurl.com/10vion

[1 serving = 11 Grams Protein = 40 servings]

" Ultra-Filtered /Micro-Filtered (UF/ML) Whey Protein Isolate - This special

technology using advanced low temperature microfiltration/ultrafiltration

processes yields a high quality, pure, highly concentrated whey protein isolate

leaving 99% of the peptides undamaged and undenatured. This process maintains

the microfractions, such as Immunoglobulins, alpha-Lactalbumin,

beta-Lactoglobulin, Lactoferrin, Serum Albumin and Glycomacropeptides which are

known to nutritionally support anabolic activity and protein digestion. "

(Fructose, natural vanilla to sweeten)

(2) Jarrow Formulas Whey Protein Powder Vanilla - 2 lbs. - $17.82

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/JR070/ItemDetail?n=0

[1 serving = 17 Grams Protein = 34 servings ~or~ 68 servings at 8.5 Grams

Protein]

-> .99 shipping today (Nov 29) at Swanson's

" Ultrafiltered under low temperature to be low in fat, lactose and

carbohydrates. Fifty-one percent of the proteins found in whey are from BLG

(Beta-Lactoglobulin), 20% of whey is ALB (Alpha-Lactabumin), 10% Immunoglobulin,

10% Albumin, and 7% minor fractions (Beta-Microglobulin, lactoferrin,

lactoperoxidase, lysozyme, lactolin and relaxin). Albumin is of particular

interest to researchers because of its elevated concentrations of

glutamylcysteine, a precursor to the antioxidant glutathione. "

(Fructose, Lo Han Guo to sweeten)

>

>

> One World Whey Protein Powder: If you watch this video you will hear that

> this product is unique in that it has all the casein removed from the whey.

> In my opinion, It may be an alternative to those with leaky gut syndrome,

> krebs cycle dysfunction, milk/casein food allergies or intolerance. This is

> Unheated Grass Fed Raw Whey Protein Powder.

>

> Quote from site: 100% UNHEATED, cold temperature processed, 100% all

> natural, unrefined, bioactive, grass pasture raised milk-whey protein.

>

> Biological Activity

> We have been able to retain the complete range of biological activity and

> composition of the health-giving whey protein factors as they are found in

> nature (i.e., lactalbumins, lactoglobulins, lactoferrins,

> glycomacropeptides, amino peptides, etc.) so that the resulting protein is

perfectly

> balanced, undamaged, and abundant in life-promoting growth factors and amino

acids †"

> such as cystine †" and other essential nutrients that are commonly lost or

> degraded in conventional processing. Cystine is an amino acid that breaks

> down into two molecules of cysteine. Cysteine then combines with richly

> available amino acids glycine and glutamate inside the cell to produce

> glutathione. Glutathione is one of the body’s most important antioxidants.

It is

> essential to the liver and entire body for the detoxification of heavy

> metals or any other toxins. Glutathione binds to heavy metals inside the

cells

> and elsewhere and carries them out of the body. It is also essential for the

> immune system, and it delays muscular fatigue during exercise. What this

> means to you is not only enhanced lean muscle growth, enhanced immunity and

> youthful cellular regeneration, but also improved digestion and

> assimilation, along with the opportunity to remain healthier and younger †"

longer.

> (End Quote) The cost is a biti expensive but you get 5 lbs for $129.00.

> It is the Whey I am highly considering switching to this week for these

> reasons. As I said I was on the Budwig Diet and had major issues with all the

> milk in the formula. My private independent volunteer research group spent

> many hours and days on this subject and found many things. This is so far

> this has peaked my interest the most. I realize my situation is a might more

> difficult then others. We also realized answers must be sought since my

> daughter and I are not the only ones unable to properly process milk

> products. Many people complain about this but are either blown off, quieted,

or no

> answer given. What do you think?

> _http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/blog/2010/11/unheated-grass-fed-whey-protein

> -powder-the-secret-to-unlocking-the-door-to-your-personal-health-freedom/_

> (http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/blog/2010/11/unheated-grass-fed-whey-protein-

> powder-the-secret-to-unlocking-the-door-to-your-personal-health-freedom/)

>

> Dr Rev Lynnice

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm most impressed by the True Protein. $9-10 a pound for cold-

> processed HQ protein sounds great. Only thing is you don't know

> what the taste will be like with a custom mix.

I order it plain so that I can flavor/sweeten it however I want.

[Guest guest]

Found a much better price on Country Life, Biochem, Tri-Protein Plus Powder thru

Google shopping. $15 & $16.99 + shipping.

http://bit.ly/et1ZA6

~Interesting article~

Whey lowers blood pressure -- Dr. Mercola

http://bit.ly/cDgRKG or

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/17/whey-protein-lower\

s-blood-pressure.aspx

" A study just published in the International Dairy Journal suggests whey protein

beverages are effective at reducing blood pressure in people at risk for

hypertension.

According to researchers:

" We found that whey protein beverages lowered BP only in individuals with

previously high BP, but not in those with normal blood pressure …

These findings suggest that whey protein beverages had a normalizing effect on

elevated BP and did not cause hypotension (abnormally low blood pressure). This

is important since hypotension can be a health concern in certain population

groups, such as young women and the elderly. "

KP

> (1) Country Life, Biochem, Tri-Protein Plus Powder, Vanilla - 2 lbs - $23

> http://snipurl.com/10vion

> [1 serving = 11 Grams Protein = 40 servings]

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynnice,

I mounted a page called The Budwig Diet Revision in 2003 that trades out the

poorly-digested cottage cheese for undenatured whey. Some Budwig followers

object but the revision stands and the people who try it are usually saved by

it.

In my experience many of the lower quality undenatured wheys are also

well-tolerated. Most wouldn't need the " best " at a lower dose, because the

slightly lower quality you might take at a higher dose is similarly a metabolic

enhancer and bacterial adhesion reducer etc.... qualities that are maybe better

experienced at the slightly higher dose anyway.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Many vegans follow the old Specific Carbohydrate Diet view that high whey doses

might be dangerous, but data trumps suspicion, fear, and innuendo and the view

still seems today to be unsupported.

Undenatured whey has been found to be non-toxic at any dose so it better be a

real good reason to change my mind, and frankly I've never seen an inkling of

real data to detract from the approach. I note that Body Builders and cancer

patients use 2x-3x the amount that most health nuts would, and they're fine

Think of what you're repeating; I think it may be a myth but I'm all ears.

I communicated with Masterjohn extensively before he contributed to Weston

Price. He knows the value of elevated glutathione; I think he would also agree

that the tiny amount of precursors in natural milk are insufficient to keep

oxidative stress low.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Alobar:

> Yes, I also agree that they are a processed form of glutiathone, as are ALL

supplements; however, I understand that they are not as concentrated as the

whey. In time those high whey concentrations cannot but lead to other more

serious problems. Those supplement suggestions were from a couple of other

practitioners, so I would be cautious. Sally Fallon did however respond and so

it looks like drinking raw milk and eating other high glutathione foods is

really what we should feed our bodies for the long term. I love Weston A Price

for that reason. Sally advocates foods and not supplements for the most part.

Here's what she says about glutathione:

> :A great source of glutathione is raw milk--Masterjohn has a blog on

>

> this, and we will be putting it in the winter journal. Sally "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan, thing is, eating according to what nature allows makes one die of " old age "

or " age-related depreciation " many years before they should, which satisfies

planned obsolescence mandated by nature.

Nobody with average glutathione levels sees 100; every centenarian tested has

above normal levels for a much younger person. This seriously undermines the

statement that one doesn't need to supplement. We supplement for health with

many nutrients, not just whey.

A coffee enema elevates liver glutathione production by challenge. In other

words glutathione that might have been used for something else is created to

mitigate the caffeine. It does nothing to provide fresh precursors that are

required, so one could say that after the coffee enema has triggered production,

glutathione values should be suppressed afterward by the exercise. This is not a

desireable situation because disease is stimulated by low glutathione.

I like the tree of life concept but it doesn't hold up in light of the need to

supplement.

all good,

Duncan

>

....good vs bad and right vs wrong

> creates an inner and outer war. ...Eating according to nature will take you

> towards your natural divinity.   To increase quality of life and longevity

you

> must have low blood fasting glucose (70-85) and insulin levels (below

3.0) and

> have a high VO2 Max lung capacity with oxygen uptake into your cells.  If

you

> really would like to increase glutithione levels do a coffee enema each day

> and/or eat raw meat, dairy and eggs.  Fermented raw dairy especially goat

milk

> dairy has the highesst biological value of glutithione, immunoglobulins,

> minerals, etc...not to mention it does grow on trees and you will be living

from

> the tree of life. 

>

>

> Dan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , yes I read WestonAPrice, PubMed, industry journals, various industry

papers etc., as well as forums for health discussion. I think I didn't miss much

on whey and glutathione because the subject is so important, and I'm pretty sure

I know the subject real well.

I don't need to discuss the merits of these sites, or Sally Fallon's credentials

or her intent. I'm just saying if the supportive data for Sally's contention

that excess whey protein can have adverse effects existed I'd think I'd have run

into it in the last 10 years. If it was true, aside from outright allergies I

mean, it is just as important to get these details as it is to find out how it

improves human biology.

I don't mean to sound too authoritative, but I have done a lot of work on it.

You're an author so you know well the importance of this point. I've put in a

thousand hours of due diligence, yet I'm ready to revise my position in the

light of new data should it exist. With respect to Sally, and I do respect her

work with Enig and refer to it liberally, I suspect that she may not know

this particular subject very well and simply repeated a general comment she'd

heard or read that did not come from the research. Many health people don't know

that among proteins, whey is uniquely alkalizing rather than acidifying and it

does not contribute to kidney urea loading.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan:

> Her name is Sally, not Sandy and you're apparently not familiar with Sally's

background, educationally or nutritionally. She is extremely learned and

degree'd - The cookbook was actually a side-line to many other great things she

does and teaches - She speaks from real scientific facts and you can find it all

at http://www.westonaprice.org.  I would encourage you to go there and study

some of the articles on her website, or better yet, subscribe to Wise

Traditions, a highly sought after journal on alternative health, foods and other

scientific health facts. You can also go to Weston A Price meetings in your area

and learn a whole lot more about her. There is a chapters roster on the website

to see where meetings are held in your area. All free by the way.  Last but not

least go to " You Tube " and listen/see Sally Fallon's many wonderful speeches. I

think you'll be convinced that her talents, and knowledge go far beyond the

cookbook.

>

> Best

>

[Guest guest]

Dan, I love good food, but " real honest food " (raw milk in this discussion)

simply does not provide enough glutathione precursors. Even if one is eating

real honest raw food, he will succumb before he hits 100 years of age. Thus,

decades of a sub-optimal diet shows up in the failure of the elderly.

I hear you that there may be other complicating deficiencies (and toxin load),

and we look at those too, selenium for example. It's technically possible to

carefully select food and clay licks from far and wide and avoid most

supplementation, but the clay lick then is a supplement isn't it?

And, we have the frankenfood business primarily putting worse food into the food

chain rather than using their knowledge to improve our food selection. Different

story but again, reduced food value is all bad.

all good,

Duncan

>

> If you believe you need supplements you will find evidence for that belief. 

I

> believe it is best for optimal human health to use food as medicine and it

can

> be done.

[Guest guest]

With regard to this statement from Dan:

> Glutithione is now being replaced with Trans Resveratol as the

> leading 'longevity' nutrient. And at $70-$100 per month that is money in

> someone's pocket. Dr Hyman says you need 7 different supplements to

> raise

> glutithione levels.

Glutathione isn't now being replaced by any antioxidants, even resveratrol,

because if glutathione is low there is always disease regardless of the

availability of exogenous (from outside the cell) antioxidants.

In the research, just one supplement, not 7, was used to increase glutathione in

animals and humans. Dr. Hyman must have not read the updates on cold-extracted

whey protein.

Hey, I think I've saved you $70 this month

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Dan, where'd you learn this? Not from me

>For those of you who choose to do so, take your supplements knowing at

>best you will become a supplement junkie or addict and will not be able to

>function or live without them.

I do get a little uneasy when I renege on my promise to myself that I will

reliably supplement to address the common deficiencies in our food, but it's

because I know the research, not because of a psychological addiction.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Yes, the monumental work of Dr. Francis F. Pottenger, Jr,

of the Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation, showed the

value of a raw-protein diet. A pioneer in the field of

nutrition and advocate of raw milk, he showed the unhealthy

properties of cooked milk. Some of cooked protein Dr.

Pottenger used was dried milk powder.

I asked Dr. Bruce Fife about a powdered protein product

and he replied that he would never consume any product

that contains powdered whole milk, regardless of where

it comes from---cow, goat, or whatever. Powdered whole

milk contains oxidized unsaturated fats. Oxidized fats

are known to damaged artery walls and promote plaque buildup.

Theta

>

I'm am diverting my energy to defend Mother Nature as much

> as I can.   I hold my idealisms in my minds eye while live practical along

the

> way-I refer to this as Living Primal: Loving Spirit. getting back to animal

> instincts and spiritual intuition.  Pottenger's Cat Study really says it all

> here because the cats that thrived didn't receive any supplements just fresh

raw

> food.    All the tribes and villages that Price studies didn't have any

> supplements.  Supplements are attempting to patch modern civilized life

that is

> actually more uncivilized than ever before. 

[Guest guest]

Put into a practical context of deciding on using undenatured whey powder in

water, one could clearly avoid the benefit of the whole exercise but then one

would not have the upper quartile glutathione levels required by centenarians in

order to last that long.

If one's goal is longevity, then they'll supplement

Two anti-aging specialists that came to our town said the #1 rule for anti-aging

is don't get sick. The reason, they said, is that nobody has ever died of old

age; they die of entirely preventable conditions that we sometimes associate

with aging. If you don't die of one of the preventable conditions, then what?

Depleted glutathione is at the core of most diseases; some researchers say it

also " forms the very seat of immune response " . This might seem to be an

important point to follow up on, particularly in a health forum. You don't have

to experience the depreciation caused by low glutathione for yourself because

adequate research has been done that illuminates this relationship.

In my view, once a person is apprised of the difference and goes ahead into

degeneration anyway, the person is more of a parasite on health care than the

next guy who will bother to take care of himself. At some point I applaud those

who take the extra step to help themselves regardless of some conflicting

personal convictions. Yes, I have " cured " vegans too, but only if they use the

whey.

So please, relegate the theoretical concepts of " what might be nice " and having

pleasant thoughts, to the small part of a health initiative that pleasant

thoughts deserve, and go ahead and apply supplements to the larger picture of

direct and measurable benefit. You can always get back to your old ways once you

are healthy again

all good,

Duncan

>

> I agree with Bruce.  We are 70% fluids and require foods that have their

natural

> liquids.  Dehydrating anything looses something.  Dehydrate a human at 118

> degrees to preserve the enzymes then add water back in.  Will the body come

> alive again? 

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 2010-11-28 4:01 PM, " Deb Bowman " stubbiegirl@... wrote:

> This is a protein powder I just ordered. Should arrive soon. Not sure if

> it meets your needs.

>

> http://www.bioactivenutrients.com/products/165

Wow thanks! But...

" Use the source, Luke... "

The price is lower, *and* you get twice as much:

http://www.lifesource4life.com/protein.html#supplement

[Guest guest]

On 2010-11-29 4:23 AM, " Duncan Crow " duncancrow@... wrote:

> Dairy cows are fed grass, hay, and silage. Beef cattle are fed grain

>and soy to fatten and finish them.

Well, from what I've heard, dairy cows are also 'fed' a whole bunch of

garbage (hormones, etc) to force them to produce more milk too...

The term 'grass-fed' generally means they are *not* fed hormones or

antibiotics too, though doesn't necessarily technically mean that, which

is why you should look for some makes both claims (grass-fed, and

hormone/antibiotic free). Apparently NOW brand whey is neither.

> All the research on glutathione used whey from grass-fed cows, and

> it increased glutathione.

Which supports the claim that one should use only whey coming from

grass-fed (hormone/ab free) cows...

> Where does that leave Mercola? He has been credited by author and

> practitioner Nenah Sylver on another list for letting his staff " parrot "

> unsubstantiated myth as data, and this looks like one of those times.

> Others say he's sold out, and indeed his stance against other tested

> whey products indicates that too.

I have mixed feelings... Mercola obviously wants/needs to make a living.

It is hard to stay true, when your livelihood depends on certain things,

so advice from *anyone* who is selling something should always be taken

with a number of very large grains of salt (himilayan, of course)...

[Guest guest]

On 2010-12-01 4:15 AM, " Jim " huuman60@... wrote:

> Raw milk sounds good till you try to buy some. I don't have a large

> enough yard for a cow, so whey will have to do.

Lol!

Jim, you (and this list, now that I think about it) remind me of another

Jim (sorely missed) - Jim Lambert, from the old oxyplus list (back when

it was an awebefore it was taken over by the knowledgeable (but sadly,

bald faced liar) Saul Pressman)...