Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot Find?

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine:

OK, thanks....this is the one I found at the HFS, but I did not feel comfortable

with it either. Maybe in later posts I'll see something more to my liking. I'm

so grateful to everyone for their contributions. I do already drink raw milk,

cream and make my own kefir. Does anyone of those encourage glutathione

production?

From: elaine1231 <elaine1231@...>

Subject: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 11:02 PM

hi maria

Regarding this NOW whey isolate unflavored...

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/ProductsbyCategory/Category/M002795.htm?cat=Spo\

rts%20Nutrition%2c%20Vity%20Award%20Winners

I wrote to them about the manufacturing process and below is how they replied:

Processing: Partial predigestion, enzyme hydrolysis, precipitation, ultra

filtration, crossflow microfiltration to remove lactose, ash and fat, and high

speed air drying at low temperatures to avoid denaturing the protein components.

Standard USDA cows not specified as Antibiotic/Hormone free.

I use this brand but I am skeptical as to whether the proteins are truly

undenatured. I would think if it was(undenatured)they would tout this all over

the bag like other manufacturers do.

It is sold all over the web (for best price) - if u cannot find it let me know

[Guest guest]

Wow Dolores, thanks for going through all the effort to post all these links.

I'm bound to find one that fits. Good work :>)

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Subject: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 11:01 PM

,

According to a blog on the Weston Price site the thing that has the greatest

negative affect on glutatiione production in whey is heat:

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/the-biochemical-magic-of-raw-milk-and-other-ra\

w-foods-glutathione.html

However, raw milk from grass fed cows is no doubt superior to non-grass fed but

also a lot more expensive. There are, however, several sources of grass-fed whey

besides Dr. Mercola's. I'm listing them from most expensive to least:

PaleoMeal Organic Whey Protein

http://tinyurl.com/273jeh5

$48 for 15 servings = $3.50 a serving

Mercola's Pro-Optimal Whey

$41.17 for 18 servings is $2.32 a serving

Action Whey

http://www.actionwhey.com/ActionWhey/   

$2.00 a serving

http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/oneworldwhey.php

$25 a lb. you have to buy 5 lbs. @$130  69 servings = $1.80 a serving

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail

Ori Hofmekler's  .83 per serving

Hope this helps,

Dee

>snip

>

> Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive on

the glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Not too sure that the caffeine in it won't do more harm than good. The Adrenals

if already depleted will no doubt suffer. Anyone notice that this energy you get

from this whey produces a coffee high?

Thanks

Wow, I would never have guessed there are that many whey products out there. I

get lots of whey from making my kefir....maybe that would be the best. It is

after all Mother Natures perfect whey. Any opinions?

From: Stanley <j_alexander_stanley@...>

Subject: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 10:48 PM

You can buy cold filtered whey protein isolate in bulk from trueprotein.com:

http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=22 & pid=633

http://is.gd/hT39M

>

> Hi Duncan, and all:

> I recently read a post here that Duncan posted and which he says that NOW

Foods has a cold processed whey isolate that will help produce Glutathione. I

just went to the health food store and none of their NOW

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee:

I looking at all the links, this sounds like a winner, what do you all else

think, and has anyone had personal experience in healing their asthma with it?

http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/oneworldwhey.php

$25 a lb. you have to buy 5 lbs. @$130  69 servings = $1.80 a serving

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Subject: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 11:01 PM

,

According to a blog on the Weston Price site the thing that has the greatest

negative affect on glutatiione production in whey is heat:

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/the-biochemical-magic-of-raw-milk-and-other-ra\

w-foods-glutathione.html

However, raw milk from grass fed cows is no doubt superior to non-grass fed but

also a lot more expensive. There are, however, several sources of grass-fed whey

besides Dr. Mercola's. I'm listing them from most expensive to least:

PaleoMeal Organic Whey Protein

http://tinyurl.com/273jeh5

$48 for 15 servings = $3.50 a serving

Mercola's Pro-Optimal Whey

$41.17 for 18 servings is $2.32 a serving

Action Whey

http://www.actionwhey.com/ActionWhey/   

$2.00 a serving

http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/oneworldwhey.php

$25 a lb. you have to buy 5 lbs. @$130  69 servings = $1.80 a serving

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail

Ori Hofmekler's  .83 per serving

Hope this helps,

Dee

>snip

>

> Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive on

the glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....What exactly can I

get that meets these specifications, and is Mercola's the only whey made from

grass fed cow milk???

>

> Thanks Much

>

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

From Now Foods site:

http://nowfoods.com/Products/ProductFAQs/M010623.htm

________________________________

From: Atwood <naturespharma@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 4:38:03 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

Find?

 

Wow Dolores, thanks for going through all the effort to post all these links.

I'm bound to find one that fits. Good work :>)

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Subject: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 11:01 PM

,

According to a blog on the Weston Price site the thing that has the greatest

negative affect on glutatiione production in whey is heat:

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/the-biochemical-magic-of-raw-milk-and-other-ra\

w-foods-glutathione.html

However, raw milk from grass fed cows is no doubt superior to non-grass fed but

also a lot more expensive. There are, however, several sources of grass-fed whey

besides Dr. Mercola's. I'm listing them from most expensive to least:

PaleoMeal Organic Whey Protein

http://tinyurl.com/273jeh5

$48 for 15 servings = $3.50 a serving

Mercola's Pro-Optimal Whey

$41.17 for 18 servings is $2.32 a serving

Action Whey

http://www.actionwhey.com/ActionWhey/   

$2.00 a serving

http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/oneworldwhey.php

$25 a lb. you have to buy 5 lbs. @$130  69 servings = $1.80 a serving

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU477/ItemDetail

Ori Hofmekler's  .83 per serving

Hope this helps,

Dee

>snip

>

> Mercola says that only whey produced from grass fed cows has any positive on

>the glutathione production in the body. So Duncan, et all....

[Guest guest]

Whey which is not a powder concentrate is quite weak. To get

glutathione levels up, Duncan has posted here that one would need to

drink 10 gallons of raw whey every day to equal one scoop of whey

powder. I take twice that much most days. I suspect my gut would

not appreciate 20 gallons of whey per day.

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Atwood <naturespharma@...> wrote:

> Wow, I would never have guessed there are that many whey products out there. I

get lots of whey from making my kefir....maybe that would be the best. It is

after all Mother Natures perfect whey. Any opinions?

>

[Guest guest]

I'm a member of the Weston A Price Foundation, and emailed Sally Fallon

regarding this whey issue. Here's is what she says, and so maybe I will not take

it after all:

You do not want whey powder in any shape or form. . . it is concentrated

protein, very unnatural and very depleting. Sally

> Wow, I would never have guessed there are that many whey products out there. I

get lots of whey from making my kefir....maybe that would be the best. It is

after all Mother Natures perfect whey. Any opinions?

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I plan to live a long long time. For that I need high glutathione

levels. Whey assists me to live long. So I do not care if whey is

un-natural, so long as it helps to raise my glutathione levels.

Alobar

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Atwood <naturespharma@...> wrote:

> I'm a member of the Weston A Price Foundation, and emailed Sally Fallon

regarding this whey issue. Here's is what she says, and so maybe I will not take

it after all:

>

> You do not want whey powder in any shape or form. . . it is  concentrated

>

> protein, very unnatural and very depleting. Sally

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alobar:

I don't know if what the practitioners group I belong too, will be of any

interest but they said that instead of the whey, a better way to get glutathione

is with these two products.

" Apex-Oxicell " - You have to be a licensed nutritionist or practitioner of some

type of  to get supplements from Apex. The other doctor made the comment below

about " Livon Labs Gluthathione "   I will probably go with the Oxicell.

There's only a few manufactures out there. My mother

uses livon labs

glutathione. No reason in particular except a friend has an account with them

so

we got it a bit cheaper. If you google lipophilic glutathione you'll find the

companies selling it.

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 11:08 PM

I plan to live a long long time.  For that I need high glutathione

levels.   Whey assists me to live long.   So I do not care if whey is

un-natural, so long as it helps to raise my glutathione levels.

Alobar

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Atwood <naturespharma@...> wrote:

> I'm a member of the Weston A Price Foundation, and emailed Sally Fallon

regarding this whey issue. Here's is what she says, and so maybe I will not take

it after all:

>

> You do not want whey powder in any shape or form. . . it is  concentrated

>

> protein, very unnatural and very depleting. Sally

>

>

[Guest guest]

But if one is staying away from whey protein isolate because it is not

a natural food, how does one justify the two products you mentioned?

Seems to me they are much more unnatural than whey isolate.

Alobar

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Atwood <naturespharma@...> wrote:

> Alobar:

> I don't know if what the practitioners group I belong too, will be of any

interest but they said that instead of the whey, a better way to get glutathione

is with these two products.

>

>

>

>

> " Apex-Oxicell " - You have to be a licensed nutritionist or practitioner of

some type of  to get supplements from Apex. The other doctor made the comment

below about " Livon Labs Gluthathione "   I will probably go with the Oxicell.

>

> There's only a few manufactures out there. My mother

> uses livon labs

>

> glutathione. No reason in particular except a friend has an account with them

> so

>

> we got it a bit cheaper. If you google lipophilic glutathione you'll find the

> companies selling it.

>

>

>

>

> From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

Find?

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 11:08 PM

>

> I plan to live a long long time.  For that I need high glutathione

> levels.   Whey assists me to live long.   So I do not care if whey is

> un-natural, so long as it helps to raise my glutathione levels.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Atwood <naturespharma@...>

wrote:

>> I'm a member of the Weston A Price Foundation, and emailed Sally Fallon

regarding this whey issue. Here's is what she says, and so maybe I will not take

it after all:

>>

>> You do not want whey powder in any shape or form. . . it is  concentrated

>>

>> protein, very unnatural and very depleting. Sally

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Alobar:

Yes, I also agree that they are a processed form of glutiathone, as are ALL

supplements; however, I understand that they are not as concentrated as the

whey. In time those high whey concentrations cannot but lead to other more

serious problems. Those supplement suggestions were from a couple of other

practitioners, so I would be cautious. Sally Fallon did however respond and so

it looks like drinking raw milk and eating other high glutathione foods is

really what we should feed our bodies for the long term. I love Weston A Price

for that reason. Sally advocates foods and not supplements for the most part.

Here's what she says about glutathione:

:A great source of glutathione is raw milk--Masterjohn has a blog on

this, and we will be putting it in the winter journal. Sally "

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-

Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 9:41 AM

But if one is staying away from whey protein isolate because it is not

a natural food, how does one justify the two products you mentioned?

Seems to me they are much more unnatural than whey isolate.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

Whey protein powder does not grow on trees!  It is a fractionated manufactured

and then highly market junk food to people who are addicted to living

academically from the tree of knowledge where good vs bad and right vs wrong

creates an inner and outer war.  It contains high glutithione levels as well as

high levels of greed and fosil fuel.  Eating according to nature will take you

towards your natural divinity.  To increase quality of life and longevity you

must have low blood fasting glucose (70-85) and insulin levels (below 3.0) and

have a high VO2 Max lung capacity with oxygen uptake into your cells.  If you

really would like to increase glutithione levels do a coffee enema each day

and/or eat raw meat, dairy and eggs.  Fermented raw dairy especially goat

milk

dairy has the highesst biological value of glutithione, immunoglobulins,

minerals, etc...not to mention it does grow on trees and you will be living from

the tree of life. 

Dan

________________________________

From: Atwood <naturespharma@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 1:20:38 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

Find?

 

Hi Alobar:

Yes, I also agree that they are a processed form of glutiathone, as are ALL

supplements; however, I understand that they are not as concentrated as the

whey. In time those high whey concentrations cannot but lead to other more

serious problems. Those supplement suggestions were from a couple of other

practitioners, so I would be cautious. Sally Fallon did however respond and so

it looks like drinking raw milk and eating other high glutathione foods is

really what we should feed our bodies for the long term. I love Weston A Price

for that reason. Sally advocates foods and not supplements for the most part.

Here's what she says about glutathione:

:A great source of glutathione is raw milk--Masterjohn has a blog on

this, and we will be putting it in the winter journal. Sally "

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-

Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 9:41 AM

But if one is staying away from whey protein isolate because it is not

a natural food, how does one justify the two products you mentioned?

Seems to me they are much more unnatural than whey isolate.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

Hi

I am not a health care specialist. I know close to noting about Alternative

medicine. I do however have been researching and it seems to me that the axiom

of not grown on tree may not always apply.I believe that we are living in

an increasingly toxic world. Our organism is continuously assailed by toxins, be

they from the air we breathe, from the food we are often forced to eat, from the

water we drink and clean ourselves with in and in fact from our throughly

polluted environment ...Have you ever wondered about all these satellites

beaming " something " down? About what cell phones, About cell phone towers? About

High Voltage Distribution Lines, About Microwave ovens? about ? so many things

that are assailing us?... Can our things that grow on trees all bt themselves

help us? Shouldn't we push things in our favor, nudge nature some ,, give

it(ourselves) things it no longer can find .. naturally? An example is Selenium,

a very important trace

mineral, one that is so lacking in our soil that have been stripped of all

trace of selenium, most people are deficient in selenium and to reestablish the

balance would require them to eat an impossible amount of

stuff-that-grows-on-trees, rich in selenium, the problem is that there is NO

guarantee that these stuff-that-grow-on-trees-and-are really rich in Selenium,..

Now why not encourage our body to produce more of its best weapon against

toxins? Glutathione? The research shows that it is not the Glutahthione we

ingest that help us, there doesn't seem to have any in undenatured whey,

anyway.. but even if there were any glutathione, it does not seem to survive

very well the voyage through the GI tract to make its way in the bloodstream .

It is however proven that undenatured Whey with a bit of selenium pushes our

liver to manufacture more , to bring to ...well .. an " healthy " level... It is

to me wholistic we push the body to heal itself by supplementing it .. because

while there are certainly some completely natural solution they may not be as

inexpensive as the Whey plus selenium which has been proven to be beneficial to

many ...Oh by the way I also take Kombucha, it does ot grow on tree, nor does

fermented foods in general ...

So what are we left with? Stick to the entirely natural or sometimes supplement

it with some ... somewhat .. natural but highly concentrated stuff .. which

is what undenatured whey is ? I think you know what my answer is...

From: Hegerich <heg1965@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 1:42 PM

 

Whey protein powder does not grow on trees!  It is a fractionated

manufactured

and then highly market junk food to people who are addicted to living

academically from the tree of knowledge where good vs bad and right vs wrong

creates an inner and outer war.  It contains high glutithione levels as well as

high levels of greed and fosil fuel.  Eating according to nature will take you

towards your natural divinity.  To increase quality of life and longevity you

must have low blood fasting glucose (70-85) and insulin levels (below 3.0) and

have a high VO2 Max lung capacity with oxygen uptake into your cells.  If you

really would like to increase glutithione levels do a coffee enema each day

and/or eat raw meat, dairy and eggs.  Fermented raw dairy especially goat

milk

dairy has the highesst biological value of glutithione, immunoglobulins,

minerals, etc...not to mention it does grow on trees and you will be living from

the tree of life. 

Dan

[Guest guest]

You live in a literal realm of thinking and miss the subjective, paradoxical,

and the creative aspects of thought.  Stuck in the literal realm is what

Einstein meant by " your problems can not be solved at the level of thinking

which created them. "  

________________________________

 

From: FrantzM <frantzgm@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 2:57:37 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

Find?

Hi

I am not a health care specialist. I know close to noting about Alternative

medicine. I do however have been researching and it seems to me that the axiom

of not grown on tree may not always apply.I believe that we are living in

an increasingly toxic world. Our organism is continuously assailed by toxins,

be

they from the air we breathe, from the food we are often forced to eat, from the

water we drink and clean ourselves with in and in fact from our throughly

polluted environment ...Have you ever wondered about all these satellites

beaming " something " down? About what cell phones, About cell phone towers? About

High Voltage Distribution Lines, About Microwave ovens? about ? so many things

that are assailing us?... Can our things that grow on trees all bt themselves

help us? Shouldn't we push things in our favor, nudge nature some ,, give

it(ourselves) things it no longer can find ..

naturally? An example is Selenium,

a very important trace

mineral, one that is so lacking in our soil that have been stripped of all trace

of selenium, most people are deficient in selenium and to reestablish the

balance would require them to eat an impossible amount of

stuff-that-grows-on-trees, rich in selenium, the problem is that there is NO

guarantee that these stuff-that-grow-on-trees-and-are really rich in Selenium,..

Now why not encourage our body to produce more of its best weapon against

toxins? Glutathione? The research shows that it is not the Glutahthione we

ingest that help us, there doesn't seem to have any in undenatured whey,

anyway.. but even if there were any glutathione, it does not seem to survive

very well the voyage through the GI tract to make its way in the bloodstream .

It is however proven that undenatured Whey with a bit of selenium pushes our

liver to manufacture more , to bring to ...well .. an " healthy " level... It is

to me wholistic we push the body to heal itself by supplementing it .. because

while there are certainly some completely natural solution they may not be as

inexpensive as the Whey plus selenium which has been proven to be beneficial to

many ...Oh by the way I also take Kombucha, it does ot grow on tree, nor does

fermented foods in general ...

So what are we left with? Stick to the entirely natural or sometimes supplement

it with some ... somewhat .. natural but highly concentrated stuff .. which

is what undenatured whey is ? I think you know what my answer is...

From: Hegerich <heg1965@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 1:42 PM

 

Whey protein powder does not grow on trees!  It is a fractionated

manufactured

and then highly market junk food to people who are addicted to living

academically from the tree of knowledge where good vs bad and right vs wrong

creates an inner and outer war.  It contains high glutithione levels as well

as

high levels of greed and fosil fuel.  Eating according to nature will take

you

towards your natural divinity.  To increase quality of life and longevity you

must have low blood fasting glucose (70-85) and insulin levels (below

3.0) and

have a high VO2 Max lung capacity with oxygen uptake into your cells.  If

you

really would like to increase glutithione levels do a coffee enema each day

and/or eat raw meat, dairy and eggs.  Fermented raw dairy especially

goat

milk

dairy has the highesst biological value of glutithione, immunoglobulins,

minerals, etc...not to mention it does grow on trees and you will be living from

the tree of life. 

Dan

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this.   I  have had back-off on consuming

powdered whey protein since my doctor advised me not

to use it due to my hypotension.

Theta

 

Found a much better price on Country Life, Biochem, Tri-Protein Plus

Powder thru Google shopping. $15 & $16.99 + shipping.

http://bit.ly/et1ZA6

~Interesting article~

Whey lowers blood pressure -- Dr. Mercola

http://bit.ly/cDgRKG or

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/17/whey-protein-lower\

s-blood-pressure.aspx

" A study just published in the International Dairy Journal suggests whey protein

beverages are effective at reducing blood pressure in people at risk for

hypertension.

According to researchers:

" We found that whey protein beverages lowered BP only in individuals with

previously high BP, but not in those with normal blood pressure …

These findings suggest that whey protein beverages had a normalizing effect on

elevated BP and did not cause hypotension (abnormally low blood pressure). This

is important since hypotension can be a health concern in certain population

groups, such as young women and the elderly. "

KP

> (1) Country Life, Biochem, Tri-Protein Plus Powder, Vanilla - 2 lbs - $23

> http://snipurl.com/10vion

> [1 serving = 11 Grams Protein = 40 servings]

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan:

Her name is Sally, not Sandy and you're apparently not familiar with Sally's

background, educationally or nutritionally. She is extremely learned and

degree'd - The cookbook was actually a side-line to many other great things she

does and teaches - She speaks from real scientific facts and you can find it all

at http://www.westonaprice.org.  I would encourage you to go there and study

some of the articles on her website, or better yet, subscribe to Wise

Traditions, a highly sought after journal on alternative health, foods and other

scientific health facts. You can also go to Weston A Price meetings in your area

and learn a whole lot more about her. There is a chapters roster on the website

to see where meetings are held in your area. All free by the way.  Last but not

least go to " You Tube " and listen/see Sally Fallon's many wonderful speeches. I

think you'll be convinced that her talents, and knowledge go far beyond the

cookbook.

Best

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

, concentrated undenatured whey protein hasn't been shown in any actual

research to be bad (as far as I know), and Sandy Fallon's comment that it is

also " depleting " may come from some comment or other she may have read, but I've

never run across actual data that supports that notion in the last 10 years. Can

you find out some details?

What we know today from the research and practice is that for many reasons it's

one of the top supplements and anti-aging tools one could use, which would be

completely at odds with Sandy's comment, so it's best that she supports the

statement. She's pretty good at writing cookbooks, but this time we need the

data.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

,

What makes you believe that whey ill lead to other more serious

problems? So you have any research papers which indicate this?

One would need to drink many many gallons of raw milk daily to build

significant glutathione levels. So not really practical.

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Atwood <naturespharma@...> wrote:

> Hi Alobar:

> Yes, I also agree that they are a processed form of glutiathone, as are ALL

supplements; however, I understand that they are not as concentrated as the

whey. In time those high whey concentrations cannot but lead to other more

serious problems. Those supplement suggestions were from a couple of other

practitioners, so I would be cautious. Sally Fallon did however respond and so

it looks like drinking raw milk and eating other high glutathione foods is

really what we should feed our bodies for the long term. I love Weston A Price

for that reason. Sally advocates foods and not supplements for the most part.

Here's what she says about glutathione:

> :A great source of glutathione is raw milk--Masterjohn has a  blog on

>

> this, and we will be putting it in the winter journal.  Sally "

>

>

>

>

>

> From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-

> Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 9:41 AM

>

> But if one is staying away from whey protein isolate because it is not

> a natural food, how does one justify the two products you mentioned?

> Seems to me they are much more unnatural than whey isolate.

>

> Alobar

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Alobar:

I just think it stands to reason that if we force the body to ingest too many

highly concentrated products, which are really not only un-natural & highly

processed in and of themselves, and which most supplements are;  that the load

it puts on the liver and other organs to try and break down all those

concentrates which I firmly believe the body cannot make use of or knows how to

distribute the over-load of all these foreign substances,  may be harmful in the

long run. We cannot over-dose on raw milk, minimally cooked grass fed beef,

kefir, raw cream and other unprocessed foods. The body just know how to process

what it was created to ingest. No, I have no papers, studies or any other

reference except to suggest that its just lots of common sense. A good deal

information can be substantiated by science by studying the information at the

Weston A Price website. http://www.westonaprice.org

I had one holistic practitioner tell me that I should tone down my supplement

intake as it was taking up lots of energy for my body to process them. It

somehow made sense to me. As you know Alobar, lots of us have forgotten or are

too busy to just simply eat our vitamins, minerals etc. I'm certainly not saying

that we should not have any supplementation but our main emphasis if at all

possible and in my humble opinion, should be to simply learn to cook good

healthy meals that contain the substances that will keep us healthy, and long

lived.  When someone like Sally Fallon come out with a statement like the one I

emailed you, I do sit up and listen.

I don't want to tax my body to get the additional glutathione I'd like to get. I

think for me, it will be lots of raw milk, minimally cooked grass fed beef and

some of the many, many other foods that contain the natural substances I want. I

think I could more easily over-dose on whey powder than I could on raw milk :>)

No Matter, whatever we do to ourselves, is thankfully our individual choice

alone and I will not bear the consequences of what others do, nor will they of

what I do. Thank God we still have that choice in this country. You're all a

delight to hear and get new ideas from.

> Hi Alobar:

> Yes, I also agree that they are a processed form of glutiathone, as are ALL

supplements; however, I understand that they are not as concentrated as the

whey. In time those high whey concentrations cannot but lead to other more

serious problems. Those supplement suggestions were from a couple of other

practitioners, so I would be cautious. Sally Fallon did however respond and so

it looks like drinking raw milk and eating other high glutathione foods is

really what we should feed our bodies for the long term. I love Weston A Price

for that reason. Sally advocates foods and not supplements for the most part.

Here's what she says about glutathione:

> :A great source of glutathione is raw milk--Masterjohn has a  blog on

>

> this, and we will be putting it in the winter journal.  Sally "

>

>

>

>

>

> From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-

> Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 9:41 AM

>

> But if one is staying away from whey protein isolate because it is not

> a natural food, how does one justify the two products you mentioned?

> Seems to me they are much more unnatural than whey isolate.

>

> Alobar

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I must say I am unable to decrypt your reply, perhaps if you were to phrase it

in a more " literal "  fashion... This degree of abstraction does escape me .. I am

also familiar with some Einstein works but fail to see the relevance of such to

this discussion..

By all means available to you, be well

Frantz 

From: Hegerich <heg1965@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 3:23 PM

 

You live in a literal realm of thinking and miss the subjective,

paradoxical,

and the creative aspects of thought.  Stuck in the literal realm is what

Einstein meant by " your problems can not be solved at the level of thinking

which created them. "  

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Raw milk sounds good till you try to buy some. I don't have a large

enough yard for a cow, so whey will have to do.

Jim

On 11/29/2010 1:20 PM, Atwood wrote:

>

> Hi Alobar:

> Yes, I also agree that they are a processed form of glutiathone, as

> are ALL supplements; however, I understand that they are not as

> concentrated as the whey. In time those high whey concentrations

> cannot but lead to other more serious problems. Those supplement

> suggestions were from a couple of other practitioners, so I would be

> cautious. Sally Fallon did however respond and so it looks like

> drinking raw milk and eating other high glutathione foods is really

> what we should feed our bodies for the long term. I love Weston A

> Price for that reason. Sally advocates foods and not supplements for

> the most part. Here's what she says about glutathione:

> :A great source of glutathione is raw milk--Masterjohn has a

> blog on

>

> this, and we will be putting it in the winter journal. Sally "

>

>

>

> From: Alobar <Alobar@... <mailto:Alobar%40Gmail.com>>

> Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-

> Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 9:41 AM

>

> But if one is staying away from whey protein isolate because it is not

> a natural food, how does one justify the two products you mentioned?

> Seems to me they are much more unnatural than whey isolate.

>

> Alobar

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

To add to Jim.. I was able to get Raw Milk from Whole Food now the gymnastics

involved in getting it are considerable .. Besides it should be repeated that

RAW milk doesn't have Glutathione but it does have the precursors... the

" things " from which our bodies make the GTH ...I can understand the desire to

remain pure and not use anything processed. I used to thinkthat way .. It seems

however that the quality of the natural food one has at one's disposal is

marginal at best ... What to do then? It seems that the answer lies in

supplementing judiciously... Some may have gotten great results from a

very orthodox positions.. Most of us may have to be more realistic and

supplement when quality, natural products are not available or when time is the

issue ...

Frantz

From: Jim <huuman60@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot

Find?

Coconut Oil

Date: Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 4:07 PM

 

Raw milk sounds good till you try to buy some. I don't have a large

enough yard for a cow, so whey will have to do.

Jim

[Guest guest]

If you believe you need supplements you will find evidence for that belief.  I

believe it is best for optimal human health to use food as medicine and it can

be done.  Therefore, there is evidence that this is possible.  If someone is

low

in glutithione their whole biochemistry is off.  Raising glutithione alone

will

not replace magnesium deficiency nor will it pull mercury from deep tissue

storage in the brain, nerves and glands.  If you don't know, I had terminal

cancer 6X even cancer of my bones.  I followed the fundtional medical approach

including Nutri Spec testing, Metabolic Typing, etc...and they all perscribed

plenty of supplements.  But the thing that actually saved me was fat and

bacteria from food and it has continued to rebuild my body.  Having chemo,

radiation, surgeries, etc... for almost 4 years solid I'm not suppose to be

alive.  Fresh Raw foods raised and produced according to nature can assist in

building a body.  Combine the raw food with emotional release and human

integration then your health will rise exponentially.  Energy work is paramount

in our enegy infected environment so I also believe that Qigong, Yoga or other

energy healing is a boon to those who choose to do a daily practice. 

We are each the doctor and the experiment.  I did my experimenting with

supplements and food for 11 plus years and bowed out.  I'm not affaid to take

an

herbal tincture from time to time to assist the body, nor am I against using

supplements for those who are not willing or ready to venture into eating a raw

food diet including animal foods.  But I believe the more demand for real

honest

foods will benefit both man and planet.  Plus when you see what occurs with the

raw food diet it blows my mind.  One woman caught her index finger in a

grinder.  Took off 2/3 of her finger tip down to bone.  In 1 year she grew

back

the entire finger, plus finger nail and even her finger print!  She did it

with raw animal foods and zero supplements.  The power of food has been here

much longer than supplements.  Yes supplements get some people out of a pinch,

yet it gets them hooked on the next greatest miracle pill, powder or potion. 

Glutithione is now being replaced with Trans Resveratol as the

leading 'longevity' nutrient.  And at $70-$100 per month that is money in

someone's pocket.   Dr Hyman says you need 7 different supplements to raise

glutithione levels.  Imagine what other pills people need to keep their body

patched up.  When really if you eat raw meat especially raw liver the amino

acids are not denatured and give the body the raw material to actual build

glutithione perfectly. 

I see health practitioners pushing supplements like drugs.  Why?  because

there

is a ton of money to be made on supplements.  An average successful health

practitioner can rake in $5,000 to $10,000 per month on supplements!  Now that

is worth researching for evidence that supplements are necessary.   Some

exceptional health practitioners can make up to $50,000 per month on

supplements.  Rediculous you might think.  If they have 1000 clients ordering

only $100 per month in supplements that is $100,000 per month and

most supplements come with a 50% wholesalers discount.  Now at full retail

that

would be $50,000 per month.  You ain't touching that with any 'food as

medicine

only theories or studies'.  So there is a temptation to get into the business

of

supplementation and flash some fancy studies but my heart nor mind could buy

into that theory any more. 

Be well,

Dan

________________________________

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 11:39:14 PM

Subject: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-Cannot Find?

 

Dan, thing is, eating according to what nature allows makes one die of " old age "

or " age-related depreciation " many years before they should, which satisfies

planned obsolescence mandated by nature.

Nobody with average glutathione levels sees 100; every centenarian tested has

above normal levels for a much younger person. This seriously undermines the

statement that one doesn't need to supplement. We supplement for health with

many nutrients, not just whey.

A coffee enema elevates liver glutathione production by challenge. In other

words glutathione that might have been used for something else is created to

mitigate the caffeine. It does nothing to provide fresh precursors that are

required, so one could say that after the coffee enema has triggered production,

glutathione values should be suppressed afterward by the exercise. This is not a

desireable situation because disease is stimulated by low glutathione.

I like the tree of life concept but it doesn't hold up in light of the need to

supplement.

all good,

Duncan

>

....good vs bad and right vs wrong

> creates an inner and outer war. ...Eating according to nature will take you

> towards your natural divinity.   To increase quality of life and longevity

you

>

> must have low blood fasting glucose (70-85) and insulin levels (below

>3.0) and

>

> have a high VO2 Max lung capacity with oxygen uptake into your

cells.  If you

>

> really would like to increase glutithione levels do a coffee enema each day

> and/or eat raw meat, dairy and eggs.  Fermented raw dairy especially

goat

>milk

>

> dairy has the highesst biological value of glutithione, immunoglobulins,

> minerals, etc...not to mention it does grow on trees and you will be living

>from

>

> the tree of life. 

>

>

> Dan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan:

I could not agree more,  and the proof remains evident with the many miraculous

cures from cancer and other devastating disorders. Also, your suggestion that it

takes a concerted deal of mental/emotional and spiritual healing to regain our

health is right on.

I'm just now reading an incredible book that deals with the emotional aspects of

Asthma, and details wonderful techniques, and testimonies of people now cured by

using a certain type of imagery. Anyone with Asthma should read this book more

than once. " Asthma Free in 21 days, by Shaefer, Ph.D

I truly believe that supplementation to the degree that it is now advocated, 

and the draw of practitioners, and other non certified suppliers to make mega

bucks selling them, is a serious problems, and does not fall within the laws of

nature, which if abused will only bring on bad consequences/karma in all area's

of our life. One of my favorite quotes is by Bernard Jensen who stated these now

very famous words below.

" No therapy or drug known to modern medical science can rebuild tissue

that has been damaged by disease or trauma. Food alone can accomplish

this feat. It is for this reason that nutrition is an indispensable

weapon against disease " .

Dr. Bernard Jensen (1908-2001)

Best -

From: Hegerich <heg1965@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-

If you believe you need supplements you will find evidence for that belief.  I

believe it is best for optimal human health to use food as medicine and it can

be done.  Therefore, there is evidence that this is possible.  If someone is low

in glutithione their whole biochemistry is off.  Raising glutithione alone will

not replace magnesium deficiency nor will it pull mercury from deep tissue

storage in the brain, nerves and glands.  If you don't know, I had terminal

cancer 6X even cancer of my bones.  I followed the fundtional medical approach

including Nutri Spec testing, Metabolic Typing, etc...and they all perscribed

plenty of supplements.

[Guest guest]

You beg the question as to how much it would actually cost to eat foods

you absolutely know are free of negative components. I would think that

you would need a farm to do that. How much does that cost a month? And

what about in winter? Do you have two farms? How about a tropical farm

also?

On 12/1/2010 8:11 AM, Hegerich wrote:

>

> If you believe you need supplements you will find evidence for that

> belief. I

> believe it is best for optimal human health to use food as medicine

> and it can

> be done. Therefore, there is evidence that this is possible. If

> someone is low

> in glutithione their whole biochemistry is off. Raising glutithione

> alone will

> not replace magnesium deficiency nor will it pull mercury from deep

> tissue

> storage in the brain, nerves and glands. If you don't know, I had

> terminal

> cancer 6X even cancer of my bones. I followed the fundtional medical

> approach

> including Nutri Spec testing, Metabolic Typing, etc...and they all

> perscribed

> plenty of supplements. But the thing that actually saved me was fat and

> bacteria from food and it has continued to rebuild my body. Having

> chemo,

> radiation, surgeries, etc... for almost 4 years solid I'm not suppose

> to be

> alive. Fresh Raw foods raised and produced according to nature can

> assist in

> building a body. Combine the raw food with emotional release and human

> integration then your health will rise exponentially. Energy work is

> paramount

> in our enegy infected environment so I also believe that Qigong, Yoga

> or other

> energy healing is a boon to those who choose to do a daily practice.

>

> We are each the doctor and the experiment. I did my experimenting with

> supplements and food for 11 plus years and bowed out. I'm not affaid

> to take an

> herbal tincture from time to time to assist the body, nor am I against

> using

> supplements for those who are not willing or ready to venture into

> eating a raw

> food diet including animal foods. But I believe the more demand for

> real honest

> foods will benefit both man and planet. Plus when you see what occurs

> with the

> raw food diet it blows my mind. One woman caught her index finger in a

> grinder. Took off 2/3 of her finger tip down to bone. In 1 year she

> grew back

> the entire finger, plus finger nail and even her finger print! She

> did it

> with raw animal foods and zero supplements. The power of food has

> been here

> much longer than supplements. Yes supplements get some people out of

> a pinch,

> yet it gets them hooked on the next greatest miracle pill, powder or

> potion.

> Glutithione is now being replaced with Trans Resveratol as the

> leading 'longevity' nutrient. And at $70-$100 per month that is money in

> someone's pocket. Dr Hyman says you need 7 different supplements to

> raise

> glutithione levels. Imagine what other pills people need to keep

> their body

> patched up. When really if you eat raw meat especially raw liver the

> amino

> acids are not denatured and give the body the raw material to actual

> build

> glutithione perfectly.

>

> I see health practitioners pushing supplements like drugs. Why?

> because there

> is a ton of money to be made on supplements. An average successful

> health

> practitioner can rake in $5,000 to $10,000 per month on supplements!

> Now that

> is worth researching for evidence that supplements are necessary. Some

> exceptional health practitioners can make up to $50,000 per month on

> supplements. Rediculous you might think. If they have 1000 clients

> ordering

> only $100 per month in supplements that is $100,000 per month and

> most supplements come with a 50% wholesalers discount. Now at full

> retail that

> would be $50,000 per month. You ain't touching that with any 'food as

> medicine

> only theories or studies'. So there is a temptation to get into the

> business of

> supplementation and flash some fancy studies but my heart nor mind

> could buy

> into that theory any more.

>

> Be well,

>

> Dan

>

> ________________________________

> From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@... <mailto:duncancrow%40>>

> Coconut Oil

> <mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 11:39:14 PM

> Subject: Re: Cold Processed Whey

> Powder-Cannot Find?

>

>

> Dan, thing is, eating according to what nature allows makes one die of

> " old age "

> or " age-related depreciation " many years before they should, which

> satisfies

> planned obsolescence mandated by nature.

>

> Nobody with average glutathione levels sees 100; every centenarian

> tested has

> above normal levels for a much younger person. This seriously

> undermines the

> statement that one doesn't need to supplement. We supplement for

> health with

> many nutrients, not just whey.

>

> A coffee enema elevates liver glutathione production by challenge. In

> other

> words glutathione that might have been used for something else is

> created to

> mitigate the caffeine. It does nothing to provide fresh precursors

> that are

> required, so one could say that after the coffee enema has triggered

> production,

> glutathione values should be suppressed afterward by the exercise.

> This is not a

> desireable situation because disease is stimulated by low glutathione.

>

> I like the tree of life concept but it doesn't hold up in light of the

> need to

> supplement.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

> >

> ...good vs bad and right vs wrong

> > creates an inner and outer war. ...Eating according to nature will

> take you

> > towards your natural divinity. Â To increase quality of life and

> longevity you

> >

> > must have low blood fasting glucose (70-85)Â and insulin levels (below

> >3.0)Â and

> >

> > have a high VO2 Max lung capacity with oxygen uptake into your

> cells.  If you

> >

> > really would like to increase glutithione levels do a coffee enema

> each day

> > and/or eat raw meat, dairy and eggs. Fermented raw dairy

> especially goat

> >milk

> >

> > dairy has the highesst biological value of glutithione,

> immunoglobulins,

> > minerals, etc...not to mention it does grow on trees and you will be

> living

> >from

> >

> > the tree of life.Â

> >

> >

> > Dan

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim:

There are many people who are now living pretty much from local and other farm

sources. Raw milk, and many other foods like grass fed beef, pastured chickens,

good high quality eggs etc. are now available. The Weston A Price Foundation

puts out a shoppers guide where all these foods can be ordered, and it only

costs a $1.00.

There are chapter meetings in every state and internationally. They will provide

you with great sources of where to go in your area to get good unprocessed

meats, dairy and other foods. The meetings are lots of free fun, free nutrient

dense food and a ton of great information for the types of questions you are

asking. I invite you to go to one of their meetings and get acquainted with how

millions of us now enjoy those foods, and  do not have a farm or cows in our

backyard, but are gratefully enjoying the nutrient dense foods that will get you

off most of the fake foods we are eating, and that includes the excessive amount

of supplements that many are using due to the lack of knowledge about how to get

these foods. Here the link to chapters through the US and Internationally.

http://www.westonaprice.org/chapters/index.php

From: Jim <huuman60@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Cold Processed Whey Powder-

You beg the question as  to how much it would actually cost to eat foods

you absolutely know are free of negative components.  I would think that

you would need a farm to do that.  How much does that cost a month?  And

what about in winter?  Do you have two farms?  How about a tropical farm

also?