Re: Duncan a Whey question

[Guest guest]

Bonnie, since there's no casein in whey you should be fine with it ordinary

undenatured whey. People lose weight on vegetable protein and it does not confer

the benefits that whey protein does.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> I must have missed your reply before, so here is my question again. I have

> ANITBODIES for Casein in Milk and this is a Saliva Test for showing

> antibodies, NOT BLOOD.

>

> So my question was SHOULD I BE TAKING A VEGAN PROTEIN supplement rather than

> a WHEY PROTEIN?

>

> Thanks for a yes or no.

>

> Bonnie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,

I have problems with casein as well. I listened to Duncan and tried undenatured

whey and paid the price...headache, rash, itching.....I used to be able to use

whey, but no more. If you are going to try whey....buy a sample from the

health food store or at least a small package so you won't be out $30 or more.

Joan

Bonnie, since there's no casein in whey you should be fine with it

ordinary undenatured whey. People lose weight on vegetable protein and it does

not confer the benefits that whey protein does.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> I must have missed your reply before, so here is my question again. I have

> ANITBODIES for Casein in Milk and this is a Saliva Test for showing

> antibodies, NOT BLOOD.

>

> So my question was SHOULD I BE TAKING A VEGAN PROTEIN supplement rather than

> a WHEY PROTEIN?

>

> Thanks for a yes or no.

>

> Bonnie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joan:

I don't see how we can get any kind of Whey that doesn't contain casein. I

understand the lactose is mostly removed but how can they remove the casein?

Bonnie

RE: Re: Duncan a Whey question

Bonnie,

I have problems with casein as well. I listened to Duncan and tried

undenatured whey and paid the price...headache, rash, itching.....I used to

be able to use whey, but no more. If you are going to try whey....buy a

sample from the health food store or at least a small package so you won't

be out $30 or more.

Joan

Bonnie, since there's no casein in whey you should be fine with it

ordinary undenatured whey. People lose weight on vegetable protein and it

does not confer the benefits that whey protein does.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> I must have missed your reply before, so here is my question again. I

> have

> ANITBODIES for Casein in Milk and this is a Saliva Test for showing

> antibodies, NOT BLOOD.

>

> So my question was SHOULD I BE TAKING A VEGAN PROTEIN supplement

> rather than

> a WHEY PROTEIN?

>

> Thanks for a yes or no.

>

> Bonnie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, my dear Duncan, I knew that Whey was far better for us but I DID NOT

KNOW that Whey didn't contain Casein. I understand the Lactose is mostly

removed but HOW can the Casein be removed?

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: September 9, 2010 6:16 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan a Whey question

Bonnie, since there's no casein in whey you should be fine with it ordinary

undenatured whey. People lose weight on vegetable protein and it does not

confer the benefits that whey protein does.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> I must have missed your reply before, so here is my question again. I have

> ANITBODIES for Casein in Milk and this is a Saliva Test for showing

> antibodies, NOT BLOOD.

>

> So my question was SHOULD I BE TAKING A VEGAN PROTEIN supplement rather

than

> a WHEY PROTEIN?

>

> Thanks for a yes or no.

>

> Bonnie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,

There IS casein in whey, undenatured or not, though it is much less than the

milk from which it is extracted to make cottage cheese:

http://tinyurl.com/34z4e9q

Best,

Dee

>

> Yes, my dear Duncan, I knew that Whey was far better for us but I DID NOT

> KNOW that Whey didn't contain Casein. I understand the Lactose is mostly

> removed but HOW can the Casein be removed?

>

> Bonnie

>

> _____

>

> From: Coconut Oil

> [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

> Sent: September 9, 2010 6:16 PM

> Coconut Oil

> Subject: Re: Duncan a Whey question

>

>

>

>

> Bonnie, since there's no casein in whey you should be fine with it ordinary

> undenatured whey. People lose weight on vegetable protein and it does not

> confer the benefits that whey protein does.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dee:

Thanks so much for letting me know. Duncan believes so much in Whey Protein

that he doesn't want anything to get in the way of people using it. So he

would just skim over that part.

Bonnie

_____

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Dolores

Sent: September 10, 2010 12:04 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan a Whey question

Bonnie,

There IS casein in whey, undenatured or not, though it is much less than the

milk from which it is extracted to make cottage cheese:

http://tinyurl.com/34z4e9q

Best,

Dee

>

> Yes, my dear Duncan, I knew that Whey was far better for us but I DID NOT

> KNOW that Whey didn't contain Casein. I understand the Lactose is mostly

> removed but HOW can the Casein be removed?

>

> Bonnie

>

> _____

>

> From: Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> [mailto:Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40> ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

> Sent: September 9, 2010 6:16 PM

> Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> Subject: Re: Duncan a Whey question

>

>

>

>

> Bonnie, since there's no casein in whey you should be fine with it

ordinary

> undenatured whey. People lose weight on vegetable protein and it does not

> confer the benefits that whey protein does.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To resolve Bonnie's question of whether any bovine whey contains casein, a

google search:

<http://tinyurl.com/whey-casein>

....turns up the fact that casein is precipitated by lowering milk pH to 4.6 and

the process is extremely efficient. And the opinion article confirms, " The whey

will have very little casein in it too. The casein is left with the curds " ,

which has been amply pointed out.

To support that statement we have a peer-reviewed document on whey that says,

" The presence of traces of casein was not significant. "

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16865907>

Jackpot -- references show whey has " non-significant " casein at most, and the

statement is supported by the unreferenced document in question

From Immunocal we actually have similar but vetted language:

" Q. Does bioactive whey protein contain casein?

A. No. Casein is considered a contaminant in whey protein. By definition, whey

proteins are the group of milk proteins that remain soluble in " milk serum " or

whey after precipitation (removal) of casein proteins. About 80% of the proteins

in cow's milk are casein proteins and the remaining 20% are whey proteins.

Because Immunocal is specifically manufactured to be 100% whey protein, with no

additives, the casein (and lactose) has been removed during the purification

process. It is possible that there could be trace amounts of these products that

persist after the removal process, but certainly not enough to cause a problem

for even the most sensitive individuals. Individuals who are sensitive to casein

should not have any problem with Immunocal. "

Immunotec can not lie about the Immunocal product due to strict guidelines that

are imposed by the entry of their whey powder into the drug market. Immunocal is

indeed listed in the Physicians Desktop Reference for prescription drugs as

being well-tolerated.

You'd have to keep looking to support a negative conclusion about the casein

content of whey because the first page is not really worth referencing, with no

actual data and all. I think by the look of it the writer " Polly " cut-n-pasted a

reply without adding her sole reference [5] to the bottom.

Now, casein is a problem for some people all right, and severly

casein-hypersentitive people can often settle on goat whey, which has a

different casein profile. But even bovine whey is well tolerated.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Bonnie,

>

> There IS casein in whey, undenatured or not, though it is much less than the

milk from which it is extracted to make cottage cheese:

> http://tinyurl.com/34z4e9q

>

> Best,

> Dee

>

[Guest guest]

If a person is truly allergice to something, even a tiny bit will cause a

reaction. My son (now 30) couldn't toelrate wheat as a small child. A nurse

friend of mine gave him some Cheerios, stating that " wheat germ is the last

ingredient " . Said the nurse " I never saw anybody get hives that quickly " -it was

like BAM! (fortunately on the skin, not inside the esophagus). So even an

insignificant amount of casein is still significant for those of us allergic to

it! (One person's meat is another's poison, maybe? My husband swears by

oatmeal--I can't stand the taste/texture ofit)

Laurie

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From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 1:26:48 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Duncan a Whey question

Dee:

Thanks so much for letting me know. Duncan believes so much in Whey Protein

that he doesn't want anything to get in the way of people using it.  So he

would just skim over that part.

Bonnie

  _____ 

From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Dolores

Sent: September 10, 2010 12:04 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan a Whey question

 

Bonnie,

There IS casein in whey, undenatured or not, though it is much less than the

milk from which it is extracted to make cottage cheese:

http://tinyurl.com/34z4e9q

Best,

Dee

>

> Yes, my dear Duncan, I knew that Whey was far better for us but I DID NOT

> KNOW that Whey didn't contain Casein. I understand the Lactose is mostly

> removed but HOW can the Casein be removed?

>

> Bonnie

>

> _____

>

> From: Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> [mailto:Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40> ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

> Sent: September 9, 2010 6:16 PM

> Coconut Oil

<mailto:Coconut Oil%40>

> Subject: Re: Duncan a Whey question

>

>

>

>

> Bonnie, since there's no casein in whey you should be fine with it

ordinary

> undenatured whey. People lose weight on vegetable protein and it does not

> confer the benefits that whey protein does.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>