Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Are all whey free from caseine and lactose? I am not talking of " un-denatured " or double bond aminos. I know what Duncan would say. My question is different. Thanks. ------- Ratan Singh, Phone: 91 141 2652561, mail: ratanpsych@... - Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education; Life Member, Nutrition Soc. of India - Author of " Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses " ; - M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.; - Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple Univ Med School, USA); - www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth, www.ejcbs.com Coconut Oil From: Alobar@... Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:41:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Re:The Vital Key to Maximum Antioxidant Activity is Glutathione Duncan recommends undenatured whey + Selenium. I take whey twice a day. I can't afford bloodwork so I have no proof it works. The article I posted also recommends whey. Alobar On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 5:41 PM, lauriejenki <lauriejenki@...> wrote: > We just received our son's organic acid test from Great Plains Lab. It looks like he is suffering from a glutathione and vit. B deficiency. > I'd love to know what is the most effective precursor to glutathione. > > >> >> So would takeing l- glutamine,be good for this? Deb >> --aliano >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Missed any of the IPL matches ? Catch a recap of all the action on MSN Videos http://msnvideos.in/iplt20/msnvideoplayer.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I would read the labels for different brands. Alobar On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Ratan Sharma <ratanpsych@...> wrote: > > Are all whey free from caseine and lactose? I am not talking of " un-denatured " or double bond aminos. I know what Duncan would say. My question is different. > > Thanks. > ------- > > Ratan Singh, Phone: 91 141 2652561, mail: ratanpsych@... > - Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education; Life Member, Nutrition Soc. of India > - Author of " Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses " ; > - M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.; > - Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple Univ Med School, USA); > - www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealth, www.ejcbs.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Ratan, it's the same question, same answer. The casein has been removed from whey with not more than the barest trace left, so should not be a problem and it will not be listed on the label. Lactose content varies from none at all to about a gram in a 30 gram scoop or so, depending on the manufacturer that concentrated the whey. Like Alobar says, it should be on the label or online ingredients list. Denatured whey or undenatured, same story, as this question does not apply only to undenatured whey. Duncan > >> > >> So would takeing l- glutamine,be good for this? Deb > >> --aliano > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Missed any of the IPL matches ? Catch a recap of all the action on MSN Videos > http://msnvideos.in/iplt20/msnvideoplayer.aspx > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Just a caution. There are obviously a lot of whey fans on this site, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But be careful. Some biologists consider whey to have too high of a level of tryptophan. After all it is a man made processed substance. Here is an article which discusses, in part, excess tryptophan. http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/tryptophan-serotonin-aging.shtml Health is always all about balance. The best balance comes from natures foods as nature made them. I suggest fresh eggs from cage free hens as your optimum source of amino acids. You also get all your B vitamins there. Fresh raw milk is also excellent. Don't let folks who are still functioning off of 1960's or 1970's data, scare you away from whole eggs. They are excellent nutrition, without causing any trouble. Sprouted wheat is also actually an excellent source to help balance out all your amino acids, plus all the other excellent nutrition contained there in. Wheat has also often be misunderstood. God bless, Layne > > > Are all whey free from caseine and lactose? I am not talking of " un-denatured " or double bond aminos. I know what Duncan would say. My question is different. > > Thanks. > ------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Whatever makes you think that man-made tryptophan is in whey? Alobar On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Layne <layneg@...> wrote: > Just a caution. > There are obviously a lot of whey fans on this site, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But be careful. Some biologists consider whey to have too high of a level of tryptophan. After all it is a man made processed substance. > > Here is an article which discusses, in part, excess tryptophan. > http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/tryptophan-serotonin-aging.shtml > > Health is always all about balance. The best balance comes from natures foods as nature made them. > > I suggest fresh eggs from cage free hens as your optimum source of amino acids. You also get all your B vitamins there. Fresh raw milk is also excellent. > > Don't let folks who are still functioning off of 1960's or 1970's data, scare you away from whole eggs. They are excellent nutrition, without causing any trouble. > > Sprouted wheat is also actually an excellent source to help balance out all your amino acids, plus all the other excellent nutrition contained there in. Wheat has also often be misunderstood. > > God bless, > Layne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Layne, about a kg of raw egg white or 100 grams of raw egg white powder gives a single dose of bonded cysteine, and people do better on two than one. Glutathione precursors whether from eggs or whey are raw. It would be an alternative to use raw eggs as a glutathione precursor but like most people I'm not eating 2 kg of raw egg white or 2/3 cup of dried raw egg white powder. Similarly, it takes about 5 gallons of raw whole milk to get a single dose of glutathione precursors, and again, double that is what most would take, about 10 gallons, roughly 10 times the raw milk they'll drink in a day. Since ALL centenarians have high glutathione levels, I take steps to keep my glutathione levels in the top quartile ...but you do what you like. Ratan and I have had ongoing discussions off-list for over a year now; I'm sure he understands. What Ray Peat wrote in your reference was: " Whey has been promoted as a protein supplement, but it contains a much higher proportion of tryptophan than milk does. " ...and " the egg albumin is disproportionately rich in tryptophan. " So what? You recommend eggs but not whey, yet many foods contain more tryptophan than eggs. Watching your daily totals at normal dietary intake is not something people have to do generally, and meat, eggs, whey and other foods containing tryptophan, as well as the amino acid itself, even as a supplement or as 5-HTP, are generally considered safe. If the devil is in the details here, it's obviously only there for a very small minority. The famous Bell-curve again. Finally, this quote from your reference: " Although serotonin and tryptophan are very important during rapid growth, their presence in senile tissues is probably closely associated with the processes of decline. " I practice anti-aging so I don't have much for senile tissues, but all of my elderly clients have also improved on undenatured whey, every one all good, Duncan > > Just a caution. > There are obviously a lot of whey fans on this site, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But be careful. Some biologists consider whey to have too high of a level of tryptophan. After all it is a man made processed substance. > > Here is an article which discusses, in part, excess tryptophan. > http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/tryptophan-serotonin-aging.shtml > > Health is always all about balance. The best balance comes from natures foods as nature made them. > > I suggest fresh eggs from cage free hens as your optimum source of amino acids. You also get all your B vitamins there. Fresh raw milk is also excellent. > > Don't let folks who are still functioning off of 1960's or 1970's data, scare you away from whole eggs. They are excellent nutrition, without causing any trouble. > > Sprouted wheat is also actually an excellent source to help balance out all your amino acids, plus all the other excellent nutrition contained there in. Wheat has also often be misunderstood. > > God bless, > Layne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 --- In the 5lb container that I have from Now and marked Whey Protein Isolate, 100% pure, it shows 529mg of Tryptophan per serving of 28 g. Craig In Coconut Oil , Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote: > > Whatever makes you think that man-made tryptophan is in whey? > > Alobar > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Layne <layneg@...> wrote: > > Just a caution. > > There are obviously a lot of whey fans on this site, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But be careful. Some biologists consider whey to have too high of a level of tryptophan. After all it is a man made processed substance. > > > > Here is an article which discusses, in part, excess tryptophan. > > http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/tryptophan-serotonin-aging.shtml > > > > Health is always all about balance. The best balance comes from natures foods as nature made them. > > > > I suggest fresh eggs from cage free hens as your optimum source of amino acids. You also get all your B vitamins there. Fresh raw milk is also excellent. > > > > Don't let folks who are still functioning off of 1960's or 1970's data, scare you away from whole eggs. They are excellent nutrition, without causing any trouble. > > > > Sprouted wheat is also actually an excellent source to help balance out all your amino acids, plus all the other excellent nutrition contained there in. Wheat has also often be misunderstood. > > > > God bless, > > Layne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 My bag of Dyna Whey reads 597 mg natural tryptophan in a 36-gram scoop serving. It's not man-made. Duncan > > > Just a caution. > > > There are obviously a lot of whey fans on this site, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But be careful. Some biologists consider whey to have too high of a level of tryptophan. After all it is a man made processed substance. > > > > > > Here is an article which discusses, in part, excess tryptophan. > > > http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/tryptophan-serotonin-aging.shtml > > > > > > Health is always all about balance. The best balance comes from natures foods as nature made them. > > > > > > I suggest fresh eggs from cage free hens as your optimum source of amino acids. You also get all your B vitamins there. Fresh raw milk is also excellent. > > > > > > Don't let folks who are still functioning off of 1960's or 1970's data, scare you away from whole eggs. They are excellent nutrition, without causing any trouble. > > > > > > Sprouted wheat is also actually an excellent source to help balance out all your amino acids, plus all the other excellent nutrition contained there in. Wheat has also often be misunderstood. > > > > > > God bless, > > > Layne > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Thank you for this reference. So much of it resonates with me. For a long time I've had a personal suspicion that the supplement tryptophan, even 500mg, is not good for me. It relaxes at first, but then it increases my physical anxiety. A very nasty side effect, worse than Valium. I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. Supplements should be used sparingly and intermittently. JMHO from having been there. nah Get $5.00 off a first order of food supplements at iHerb.com with this coupon code: HOM016. Very good discounts, excellent customer service and fast shipping. ________________________________ From: Layne <layneg@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:04:47 AM Subject: Re: Are all whey equal? Just a caution. There are obviously a lot of whey fans on this site, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But be careful. Some biologists consider whey to have too high of a level of tryptophan. After all it is a man made processed substance. Here is an article which discusses, in part, excess tryptophan. http://raypeat. com/articles/ aging/tryptophan -serotonin- aging.shtml Health is always all about balance. The best balance comes from natures foods as nature made them. I suggest fresh eggs from cage free hens as your optimum source of amino acids. You also get all your B vitamins there. Fresh raw milk is also excellent. Don't let folks who are still functioning off of 1960's or 1970's data, scare you away from whole eggs. They are excellent nutrition, without causing any trouble. Sprouted wheat is also actually an excellent source to help balance out all your amino acids, plus all the other excellent nutrition contained there in. Wheat has also often be misunderstood. God bless, Layne > > > Are all whey free from caseine and lactose? I am not talking of " un-denatured " or double bond aminos. I know what Duncan would say. My question is different. > > Thanks. > ------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I sped about as much money each week on supplements as I do on food. Doing that I have controlled my type II diabetes without needing to take diabetic meds. Alobar On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:20 PM, S <spthompson49@...> wrote: > Thank you for this reference. So much of it resonates with me. For a long time I've had a personal suspicion that the supplement tryptophan, even 500mg, is not good for me. It relaxes at first, but then it increases my physical anxiety. A very nasty side effect, worse than Valium. > > I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. Supplements should be used sparingly and intermittently. JMHO from having been there. > > > > nah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 There's a time and a place for supplements. Certainly what you've done is preferable to taking drugs. Once serious disease has set in, supplements may be necessary for a long period of time. What you've done is to be admired. Ideally, one would be able to thrive on whole foods. Maybe you'll get to that point, too? Do you think that diabetes can be cured? I would like to think so. nah ________________________________ From: Alobar <Alobar@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:43:09 PM Subject: Re: Re: Are all whey equal? I sped about as much money each week on supplements as I do on food. Doing that I have controlled my type II diabetes without needing to take diabetic meds. Alobar On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:20 PM, S <spthompson49> wrote: > Thank you for this reference. So much of it resonates with me. For a long time I've had a personal suspicion that the supplement tryptophan, even 500mg, is not good for me. It relaxes at first, but then it increases my physical anxiety. A very nasty side effect, worse than Valium. > > I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. Supplements should be used sparingly and intermittently. JMHO from having been there. > > > > nah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I think mortality can be cured. If I figure it out, I'll be sure to post about it. Alobar On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:05 AM, S <spthompson49@...> wrote: > There's a time and a place for supplements. Certainly what you've done is preferable to taking drugs. Once serious disease has set in, supplements may be necessary for a long period of time. What you've done is to be admired. > > Ideally, one would be able to thrive on whole foods. Maybe you'll get to that point, too? > > Do you think that diabetes can be cured? I would like to think so. > > nah > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Before the white western culture set out across the world to change how other native cultures lived and ate, thriving on whole foods by native cultures was the norm and it worked to keep them healthy and very strong. Once the white western culture infiltrated other native cultures with their health depleting foods and lifestyle, it became necessary to supplement. The US is a prime example of a culture that needs to supplement. phine > > Thank you for this reference. So much of it resonates with me. For a long time I've had a personal suspicion that the supplement tryptophan, even 500mg, is not good for me. It relaxes at first, but then it increases my physical anxiety. A very nasty side effect, worse than Valium. > > > > I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. Supplements should be used sparingly and intermittently. JMHO from having been there. > > > > > > > > nah > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I don't know that diabetes can be " cured " , but I KNOW that in most cases it can be controlled. I think that there are two ways to look at this. One, if you want to take drugs and the other, if you truly want to be healthy. Taking the drugs can certainly help control your blood sugar, but at what cost? Blood sugar control is not the only indication of health. However, if you give your body the things it needs to run efficiently, then as a whole, you can have health. > > Thank you for this reference. So much of it resonates with me. For a long time I've had a personal suspicion that the supplement tryptophan, even 500mg, is not good for me. It relaxes at first, but then it increases my physical anxiety. A very nasty side effect, worse than Valium. > > > > I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. Supplements should be used sparingly and intermittently. JMHO from having been there. > > > > > > > > nah > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 > > > Are all whey free from caseine and lactose? All whey proteins should be free of casein, as whey is the byproduct of making cheese, which is a process of separating out the casein from milk. Lactose (and fat) content will depend on how the whey is processed. Whey protein concentrate is just whey that has been dried, and it does contain both lactose and fat. Whey protein isolate is filtered to isolate just the protein and is virtually free of lactose and fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Until mortality can be cured, Age Management will at least reduce the speed at which we deteriorate ...and the whey is part of an age management protocol for good reason. Duncan > > I think mortality can be cured. If I figure it out, I'll be sure to > post about it. > > Alobar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 To add to Stanley's message, lactose and fat in whey are not necessarily to be avoided either; milk fat's good for you, and lactose intolerance has been stopped by simply correcting bowel dysbiosis, which one should arguably do anyway as it's a precancerous condition. Duncan > > > > > > Are all whey free from caseine and lactose? > > All whey proteins should be free of casein, as whey is the byproduct of making cheese, which is a process of separating out the casein from milk. Lactose (and fat) content will depend on how the whey is processed. Whey protein concentrate is just whey that has been dried, and it does contain both lactose and fat. Whey protein isolate is filtered to isolate just the protein and is virtually free of lactose and fat. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 nah, you could limit your tryptophan intake from other foods rather than reducing the most potent health and age management tool, the whey. You won't be increasing glutathione naturally with any other product anyway so you may as well figure it out. If keeping glutathione low doesn't scare you it should. > I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. I agree. Use whey concentrate then instead of isolate, if the filtering bothers you. Concentrate is precipitated with alkalai, then dried. Duncan > > Thank you for this reference. So much of it resonates with me. For a long time I've had a personal suspicion that the supplement tryptophan, even 500mg, is not good for me. It relaxes at first, but then it increases my physical anxiety. A very nasty side effect, worse than Valium. > > I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. Supplements should be used sparingly and intermittently. JMHO from having been there. > > > > nah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Ya, blame it on the white people. Seriously, diet is a choice that each one of us makes. It's not culturally mandated that we eat inferior food, as white and American as we may be. Likewise, I'm sure the Hawaiians weren't forced to eat the white guys' food. (And PS, not all Americans are white.) nah ________________________________ From: jlkinkona <josephine@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:04:05 AM Subject: Re: Are all whey equal? Before the white western culture set out across the world to change how other native cultures lived and ate, thriving on whole foods by native cultures was the norm and it worked to keep them healthy and very strong. Once the white western culture infiltrated other native cultures with their health depleting foods and lifestyle, it became necessary to supplement. The US is a prime example of a culture that needs to supplement. phine > > Thank you for this reference. So much of it resonates with me. For a long time I've had a personal suspicion that the supplement tryptophan, even 500mg, is not good for me. It relaxes at first, but then it increases my physical anxiety. A very nasty side effect, worse than Valium. > > > > I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. Supplements should be used sparingly and intermittently. JMHO from having been there. > > > > > > > > nah > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Why should I think my glutathione is low? Whey agitates me. So I avoid it. Too bad, because I do like the taste, but it's obviously not right for me. nah P.S. I used to hang out with Scientologists. I don't scare easily. ________________________________ From: DuncanC <duncancrow@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:20:06 AM Subject: Re: Are all whey equal? nah, you could limit your tryptophan intake from other foods rather than reducing the most potent health and age management tool, the whey. You won't be increasing glutathione naturally with any other product anyway so you may as well figure it out. If keeping glutathione low doesn't scare you it should. > I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. I agree. Use whey concentrate then instead of isolate, if the filtering bothers you. Concentrate is precipitated with alkalai, then dried. Duncan > > Thank you for this reference. So much of it resonates with me. For a long time I've had a personal suspicion that the supplement tryptophan, even 500mg, is not good for me. It relaxes at first, but then it increases my physical anxiety. A very nasty side effect, worse than Valium. > > I think it's best to stick with food the way nature provides it, with minimal processing and over-concentration. Supplements should be used sparingly and intermittently. JMHO from having been there. > > > > nah > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 That's what I figured out. Thanks to your glowing posts about whey. Alobar On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:55 AM, duncancrow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > Until mortality can be cured, Age Management will at least reduce the speed at which we deteriorate ...and the whey is part of an age management protocol for good reason. > > Duncan > > >> >> I think mortality can be cured. If I figure it out, I'll be sure to >> post about it. >> >> Alobar >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I thought tryptophan was basically okay even though the FDA banned it in the 80's. > > > > > > Are all whey free from caseine and lactose? I am not talking of " un-denatured " or double bond aminos. I know what Duncan would say. My question is different. > > > > Thanks. > > ------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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