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This bill is great for LP recovery. I'm sure it will cause all the

Neo Righties to go AWOL though

On Jul 18, 2006, at 5:19 PM, Hookey wrote:

>

> -- Senate votes 63-37 to loosen President Bush's ban on federal

> funding

> for embryonic stem cell research, a move Bush has pledged to veto.

[Guest guest]

It's not a done deal. Unfortunately, the Senate didn't get the 2/3 required

to make it veto proof. And Bush is threatening to veto it.

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade.

Bill

On 7/19/06, tony soares <tonysoares@...> wrote:

>

> This bill is great for LP recovery. I'm sure it will cause all the

> Neo Righties to go AWOL though

> On Jul 18, 2006, at 5:19 PM, Hookey wrote:

>

> >

> > -- Senate votes 63-37 to loosen President Bush's ban on federal

> > funding

> > for embryonic stem cell research, a move Bush has pledged to veto.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know this sucks, folks would rather see unwanted embryos thrown

down the drain in a lab than used for helping quality of LIFE.

On Jul 20, 2006, at 4:08 AM, Bill Bradford wrote:

> It's not a done deal. Unfortunately, the Senate didn't get the 2/3

> required to make it veto proof. And Bush is threatening to veto it.

>

> Sorry to rain on everyone's parade.

>

> Bill

[Guest guest]

On 7/19/06, tony soares <tonysoares@...>

wrote:

>

> This bill is great for LP recovery. I'm sure it

will cause all the

> Neo Righties to go AWOL though

*********************

If tomorrow the " Neo Lefties " (assuming that is the

opposite of " Neo Righties " - or a true opposite would

be " Aged Lefties " I'd recon...) told me that I could

recover from being a dwarf and all I had to do was

take a human life to do it - well, thank you kindly,

I'll remain a dwarf.

Politics and religion, they do not belong on this

group...

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This is a healthcare issue.

If Stemcell reasearch bears findindings that can regrow spinal cords Then THIS

Dwarf wants it.

I remain Tony Soares

Achon dwarf

Re: FW: CNN Breaking News

>

>

> On 7/19/06, tony soares <tonysoares@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > This bill is great for LP recovery. I'm sure it

> will cause all the

> > Neo Righties to go AWOL though

> *********************

>

> If tomorrow the " Neo Lefties " (assuming that is the

> opposite of " Neo Righties " - or a true opposite would

> be " Aged Lefties " I'd recon...) told me that I could

> recover from being a dwarf and all I had to do was

> take a human life to do it - well, thank you kindly,

> I'll remain a dwarf.

>

> Politics and religion, they do not belong on this

> group...

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

,

How exactly will this be great for LP recovery? what are we recovering

from?

have you seen any science that would at all relate to therapies that

would help people with dwarfism in some way?

Joe

>

> >

> > -- Senate votes 63-37 to loosen President Bush's ban on federal

> > funding

> > for embryonic stem cell research, a move Bush has pledged to veto.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Without trying to delve too much into the politics/religion debate, I have

to weigh in on this as dwarf and a theology/philosophy student.

Stem cell research has many, many potentially wonderful applications for

people affected by numerous neuro-skeletal disorders, especially for nerve

regeneration from spinal cord injuries, brain damage, ALS, and Alzheimer's.

Also, it can be used in various cancer treatments, endocrine disorders such

as diabetes, and arthritis.

Will it " cure " dwarfism? Probably not (that involves a whole other area of

genetic manipulation -- which I oppose). But it could fix secondary

problems associated with dwarfism. And I'm all for that.

This is not about creating a new life (that of an embryo) to sacrifice it to

fix someone else. Many millions of embryos yearly are flushed down the

drain from fertility clinics. Ethically, doesn't it make more sense to use

those wasted cells for something good? (And as Christian, while personally

against abortion, I have yet to find any compelling argument to convince me

a fetus is human prior to the second trimester. A " potential human, yes.

Actual human, no.)

50 years ago, there was a lot of debate about whether scientist should use

medical information gleaned from horrific Nazi experimentation on

concentration camp prisoners. The consensus (many from camp survivors

themselves, like one of my personal heroes, psychiatrist Victor l) was

that by using the information, we honor the memories of those poor victims.

Do not let their suffering be in vain. I feel the same about stem cell

research.

Also, whether or not the US embraces stem cell research, other countries

will: Europe, China, Russia, India. Doesn't it make more sense to have it

done here, where medical ethics are more valued? (I can actually foresee

Russia and China sacrificing human fetuses in the name of research.)

This is like the sex education, birth control debate. Some conservatives

(mostly Christians) feel that teaching kids sexual responsibility encourages

immorality. That is flawed logic. Parents influence morality. Sex ed

saves kids from the trauma of their indiscretions.

But this is an election year. Hyperbole rules, and logic and truth are cast

aside.

Feel free to flame me off list.

Bill Bradford

On 7/20/06, K McClintock <kage_ar@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> On 7/19/06, tony soares <tonysoares@...<tonysoares%40optonline.net>

> >

> wrote:

> >

> > This bill is great for LP recovery. I'm sure it

> will cause all the

> > Neo Righties to go AWOL though

> *********************

>

> If tomorrow the " Neo Lefties " (assuming that is the

> opposite of " Neo Righties " - or a true opposite would

> be " Aged Lefties " I'd recon...) told me that I could

> recover from being a dwarf and all I had to do was

> take a human life to do it - well, thank you kindly,

> I'll remain a dwarf.

>

> Politics and religion, they do not belong on this

> group...

>

>

>

>

--

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all the way, and not starting. "

(Buddha)

" You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. "

( 8:32)

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Joe you are parsing my e-mails and asking me to respond.

Stem cells are showing that they can regrow (limited so far) nerve tissue.

Perhaps one day, they will be able to regrow nerves and cords so theres hope

people with severed cords can have the

chance to have the tissue regrown.

Re: FW: CNN Breaking News

> ,

>

> How exactly will this be great for LP recovery? what are we

> recovering

> from?

>

> have you seen any science that would at all relate to therapies

> that

> would help people with dwarfism in some way?

>

> Joe

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Bill Bradford <tslug1@...> wrote:

(And as Christian, while personally against abortion, I have yet to find any

compelling argument to convince me a fetus is human prior to the second

trimester. A " potential human, yes. Actual human, no.)

** Okay, I'll bite. How do you draw the line? Is the fetus just a " thing "

the day before the 2nd trimester begins and a human the day of?

Jim

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On 7/20/06, Jim Sauer <jgsauer45@...> wrote:

** Okay, I'll bite. How do you draw the line? Is the fetus just a " thing "

the day before the 2nd trimester begins and a human the day of?

Actually, Jim, that is a good question.

Is a child an adult the day he turns 18? Obviously the line is fuzzy.

But, I do know that when I had my tonsils removed last year, they had more

biological complexity than a 4 week old group of cells that have been

growing from the union of a sperm and egg cell. Is anyone weeping for the

loss of my tonsils? Are we going to start protesting and bombing throat

clinics now? (A little sarcasm. Forgive me.)

What is the definition of a human? Joe's post (albeit long) asks some very

valid questions (I'm not sure if I agree with all his conclusions, I have to

re-read it).

Another way of looking at it, from a religious/moral perspective, is when

does the soul become ensconced in a human body? In ancient Israel, it was

thought to be when the child drew his first breath. Midwives back then

would not slap the baby to get it to cry and breath. They would let it lie

there, and if it didn't breath in and died, then God didn't put a soul in

it. Native Americans, well into the 19th century, believed that a child

didn't become human until it was named, usually sometime after she took her

first steps.

Now, ironically, thanks to modern science, conservative moralists can view

the moment that the sperm and egg unite, and have decided that is human at

that point. But truthfully, a few dozen zygote cells are no more human than

the individual sperm or egg cell they came from.

Being a geek, I'll use this analogy for the when the soul " enters " the

body. The interface between soul and body, it would seem obvious, is the

brain. Now imagine the human brain is like your computer, and your soul is

you, the person using the computer. If the computer is turned off, or

broken, you don't use it. Likewise, if the brain is not functioning, why

would the soul use it? Brain waves in fetuses are not detected until

sometime after the 12 week. It varies from fetus to fetus. Many fetuses

spontaneously abort within the first 12-15 weeks of pregnancy. So in my

humble opinion, I think it is safe to assume an embryo less than 12 weeks

old does not have a soul (and if having a soul is one of the criteria of

being human, therefore it is not human).

In regards to stem cell research, the argument is moot. Scientist are

wanting to use the stem cells from embryos manufactured in fertility clinics

that are otherwise flushed away. If the conservatives truly care about the

sanctity of embryos, then why are they not protesting fertility clinics

instead of planned parenthood offices? Seem a bit hypocritical to me.

In fact, if we are going to rally to protect the potential humans that come

from embryos, they we ought to also rally to protect the potential humans

that come from sperm and egg cells. This means no more monthly period for

women. No unproductive ejaculation for men. As Monty Python said: " Every

sperm is sacred! "

(My apologies to the Catholics of this list).

I'd better stop before Rose puts me on moderation. (And before I forget:

dwarf, dwarf, dwarf. There, now it's dwarf related.)

Bill

[Guest guest]

Funny analogy, not that I agree with it, but one thing, did the

tonsils you had removed, that were soooo many in yer throat stay

viable, alive and kicking, wincing in pain, once they were removed,

even after some 30 years plus, Bill? Forgive I didn't know yer age,

so I made you to be 30 something:P Well, a 'fetus', to me, is a

living being that is a lot more than 30 years plus, such as were yer

tonsil cells, and they have been known to thrive, kick, and feel pain

once they were removed or outside of the host body, or the mother.

So, as a Christian, I'm stuck in that dilemna too, as when to

consider a fetus a life, a life worth allowing to live. I mean, I do

have a stance and prolly to most it's one that's more or perhaps the

most conservative out of the lot, even the lot of all Christians

combined. Because I take it a step further than what Bill stated, as

I do know too that some, even amongst Christians, don't feel it's a

life, until it has had it's first breath.

My stance, and you can disagree with it and me:), but it is an

integral part of how I feel as Christian, and as a human amongst

others, and as an lp-or a super human amongst the ap's, haha,

In Psalm 139:13-16, the Psalmist writes: " You made all the delicate,

inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother's womb.

Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is

marvelous - and how well I know it. You watched me as I was being

formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the

womb. You saw me before I was born. "

luv, grady

PS-Now, before anyone writes to me and says, Oh you flamed Bill (or

anyone else for that matter), I didn't. I accept him as he is and

they too:). However, his tonsil cells did tell me that they were

happy to be removed. " Ohhhhh, the odor, the odor, " they said! haha

J/K;)

> But, I do know that when I had my tonsils removed last year, they

had more biological complexity than a 4 week old group of cells that

have been growing from the union of a sperm and egg cell. Is anyone

weeping for the loss of my tonsils? Are we going to start protesting

and bombing throat clinics now? (A little sarcasm. Forgive me.)

> What is the definition of a human?

[Guest guest]

(Okay, I'm going to push Rose's level of tolerance one more time, then shut

up for three days -- going camping).

On 7/20/06, Grady <gradysir@...> wrote:

>

> >Funny analogy, not that I agree with it, but one thing, did the tonsils

> you had removed, that ere soooo many in yer throat stay viable, alive and

> kicking, wincing in pain, once they were removed, even after some 30 years

> plus, Bill

>

Yes they did. No wait, that was me wincing in pain.

>Forgive I didn't know yer age,so I made you to be 30 something:P

I'll take it. ;-) (shaved 10 years off my age)

>Well, a 'fetus', to me, is a living being that is a lot more than 30 years

plus, such as were yer tonsil cells, and they have been known to thrive,

kick, and feel pain once they were removed or outside of the host body, or

the mother.

You're talking late term abortions, which I also oppose. I was talking

about a clump of cells a few weeks old.

> >In Psalm 139:13-16, the Psalmist writes: " You made all the delicate,

> inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother's womb. Thank you

> for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous - and

> how well I know it. You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,

> as I was woven together in the dark of the

> womb. You saw me before I was born. "

>

This is a wonderful piece of poetry and one of my favorite psalms. Finding

Nemo is one of my favorite films and beautifully made. Do I believe that

fish can talk? Do I believe that animation is real? No. Do I believe the

bible is the literal word of God (like some Ouija board where god directly

transcribed his thoughts to paper)? No. The old testament existed for

hundreds of years before someone scratched down the oral traditions on

papyrus. Then for the next 1500 years, monks and scribes translated from

Hebrew to Aramaic to Greek to Latin those words and recopied them hand by

hand until the printing press was invented. A LOT of typos worked their way

into the script, not to mention outright alterations of the actual story.

Modern day newspapers make a ton of mistakes daily. Are we to believe the

authors of the bible were less fallible? (And I don't want to hear the

" they were inspired by God, " argument. Many so-called " inspired " people

have said and done a lot of dumb things in the name of God.) A lot of other

things were said in the psalms (and other books) that are just plain, well,

goofy. Did you know in the book of Leviticus that dwarfs, hunchbacks, and

men with damaged testicles can't serve as priests? And women should cover

their heads in public and men should not shave. Huh? Why?

I am a Christian, in the tradition of British philosopher and theologian

Locke. He believed in a " bottom up " approach to spirituality, not " top

down. " Meaning, it is up to the individual to define their relationship

with God, and by reason act in good conscience to live up to their faith.

It is not the job of the government or institutional church to tell us how

to live.

Reproductive choices should be left up to the individual conscience of each

woman. Adultery, drinking and overeating are sins too. In America, we have

the freedom and the right to live in sin. If our faith tells us that it is

our duty to chastise sinners, so be it -- we also have the freedom of

speech. But leave it at that, don't pass laws against it.

>PS-Now, before anyone writes to me and says, Oh you flamed Bill (or anyone

else for that matter), I didn't. I accept him as he is and they too:).

However, his tonsil cells did tell me that they were happy to be removed.

" Ohhhhh, the odor, the odor, " they said! haha

Not true. I am an altoid addict. ;-)

Bill

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Wonder if the autism segment will be cancelled tonight?

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I think the autism segment was cancelled. My husband and I snuggled up close together in bed to watch it (our little bit of Valentine's Day fun), while our kids were doing whatever with their video and computer games in the living room. The autism segment never materialized,...all we saw was McCain explaining his ideals/thoughts. What the hell happened??? Aasa christine <christine@...> wrote: Wonder if the

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[Guest guest]

You didn't take advantage of the 2 minutes everyone else was busy,

that's what happened!

<g>

>

> I think the autism segment was cancelled. My husband and I snuggled

up close together in bed to watch it (our little bit of Valentine's

Day fun), while our kids were doing whatever with their video and

computer games in the living room. The autism segment never

materialized,...all we saw was McCain explaining his

ideals/thoughts. What the hell happened???

>

> Aasa

[Guest guest]

Romney made a big announcement today about backing McCain.

It was just a case of a hotter news story bumping the autism show.

They may have pretaped it and it will run at a later date.

Does anyone in the loop know if they did that?

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On 2/14/08 10:09 PM, " Debi " <fightingautism@...> wrote:

You didn't take advantage of the 2 minutes everyone else was busy,

that's what happened!

<g>

>

> I think the autism segment was cancelled. My husband and I snuggled

up close together in bed to watch it (our little bit of Valentine's

Day fun), while our kids were doing whatever with their video and

computer games in the living room. The autism segment never

materialized,...all we saw was McCain explaining his

ideals/thoughts. What the hell happened???

>

> Aasa

[Guest guest]

The fact that certain forces are trying to surround McCain with big

pharma-friendly bear hugs (like a Dr. Sears remedy for a tantruming

child) and the cancellation of the show feel somehow related.

> >> >

> >> > I think the autism segment was cancelled. My husband and I

snuggled

> > up close together in bed to watch it (our little bit of

Valentine's

> > Day fun), while our kids were doing whatever with their video and

> > computer games in the living room. The autism segment never

> > materialized,...all we saw was McCain explaining his

> > ideals/thoughts. What the hell happened???

> >> >

> >> > Aasa

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I do believe that Romney's support of McCain was a big event(in their minds anyway) and it pre-empted the show. I think if that hadn't-perhaps the university shooting would have anyway. We need to contact the station to find out if and when the autism segment will be shown. MaurineAasa <penas7ar@...> wrote: I think the autism segment was cancelled. My husband and I snuggled up close together in bed to watch it (our little bit of Valentine's Day fun), while our kids were doing whatever with their video and

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