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If a person wants to have a get together; political, religious, or of any other

nature, they are certainly free to do so. I have the option of going or not

going, yes that is correct, but to have LPA provide that group with space to do

their get together I feel requires some discretion. If LPA were to specifically

set aside space at a convention for young republicans, then they would have to

provide space for young democrats as well. If they were to provide space for

southern baptists to convene then that same courtesy must be afforded to any

other religion which asks for it regardless of creed or what that religion

worships or believes in. This is the only way it can be done.

You see by setting aside " space " or " time " for any certain group to convene LPA

is essentially condoning, and some would see as supporting, that groups cause.

It becomes complicating and conflicting because as I stated in the first

paragraph, LPA would have to open its convention forum to all groups to avoid

being seen as favoring one particular group. Soon LPA's purpose is lost in a

fugue of what it actually convenes for on a national level. Again to have a

group of little people simply gather on their own to discuss certain matters of

creed, religion, or politics is their freedom; but to ask LPA to set aside space

for that group is not included in that freedom and should never be. LPA needs to

abstain from any endorsement or affiliation of any one particular group for it

to remain the positive vehicle it is in promoting, educating, and assisting in

the lives of all people affected by dwarfism.

Casey Hubelbank <chayim76@...> wrote: Hello List,

If there's one thing I've learned in LPA, it's that

you can't please everyone all of the time. Although

it's not stated in LPA's mission, I believe the

organization should promote positive social

interaction among people of short stature. Where do I

stand on whether people of different religious groups

should meet at national?

Just my opinion and two and a half cents here..

If a person wants to host a get together of people at

a conference who share the same beliefs or ideas, or

have something in common and want to have a meeting

about it, by all means we should provide that group a

meeting space. I may not agree with what they are

doing, but providing LPs a chance to get together is

what we're all about. If you don't like that groups

agenda or topic, you don't have to go to that meeting.

example: If I wanted to meet all the LPs at the

convention who were conservative republican, I might

try and convince the conference committee to allow me

a time for a get together of people who share those

beliefs with me. Would liberal democrats be upset

that I did this? They might, but they had the same

opportunity to go through the same channels as I did

to set up a meeting.

LPA is a great place to take a leadership role in

something. There are many opportunities in the

organization to take on leadership be it local,

national, or at a conference.

-Casey

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On 5/26/06, Huntley <yllibbooster@...> wrote:\

LPA needs to abstain from any endorsement or affiliation of any one

> particular group for it to remain the positive vehicle it is in promoting,

> educating, and assisting in the lives of all people affected by dwarfism.

,

There is a huge difference between accommodation and endorsement. Casey

made a great point about any group, if they go through the proper channels,

should be allowed to have a gathering place for LPs members who share a

certain passion, whether it be political, spiritual, sexual, etc. It is

easy to dismissively say " what LPs do on their own time is their own

business. " Well, perhaps LPs would like to share the experience of

spiritual worship, or political activism, with other LPs. At home, I'm the

only dwarf in my church. In fact, I think I'm the only Episcopalian dwarf

in probably a 500-mile radius from where I live. It sure would be nice to

meet other Episcopalians at a national conference (although I will settle

for Catholics, Lutherans, UCC or Methodists since we share a lot of similar

beliefs).

Some people used to get upset about DAAA having activities at conferences,

since they felt it favored less-disabled dwarfs. DAAA made accommodations

to allow and encourage less mobile dwarfs the opportunity to participate in

athletic events. If we go by a strict interpretation that accommodation is

equivalent to official sanction, then I guess all we could talk about at any

LPA meeting would be the medical and genetic aspects of dwarfism -- period.

Bill

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" There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going

all the way, and not starting. "

(Buddha)

" You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. "

( 8:32)

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I wish you would have read the whole posting of mine, but instead one portion of

the whole context is what you have decided to issue a reply. And just a

thoughtful gesture from one LP to another: Refrain from the vague quotes and

biblical script-bites. Budda would see no need for any groups that apply man

made labels as we are all one or part of intergalactic oneness spirit; and to

send a biblical quote with a buddist quote is conflicting, Buddist's attempt to

achieve inner harmony. I appreciate your scholarly opinion but there is no need

to embellish it with quotes and scripture to make you look more scholarly.

Bill Bradford <tslug1@...> wrote: On 5/26/06, Huntley

<yllibbooster@...> wrote:\

LPA needs to abstain from any endorsement or affiliation of any one

> particular group for it to remain the positive vehicle it is in promoting,

> educating, and assisting in the lives of all people affected by dwarfism.

,

There is a huge difference between accommodation and endorsement. Casey

made a great point about any group, if they go through the proper channels,

should be allowed to have a gathering place for LPs members who share a

certain passion, whether it be political, spiritual, sexual, etc. It is

easy to dismissively say " what LPs do on their own time is their own

business. " Well, perhaps LPs would like to share the experience of

spiritual worship, or political activism, with other LPs. At home, I'm the

only dwarf in my church. In fact, I think I'm the only Episcopalian dwarf

in probably a 500-mile radius from where I live. It sure would be nice to

meet other Episcopalians at a national conference (although I will settle

for Catholics, Lutherans, UCC or Methodists since we share a lot of similar

beliefs).

Some people used to get upset about DAAA having activities at conferences,

since they felt it favored less-disabled dwarfs. DAAA made accommodations

to allow and encourage less mobile dwarfs the opportunity to participate in

athletic events. If we go by a strict interpretation that accommodation is

equivalent to official sanction, then I guess all we could talk about at any

LPA meeting would be the medical and genetic aspects of dwarfism -- period.

Bill

--

" There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going

all the way, and not starting. "

(Buddha)

" You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. "

( 8:32)

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First, I did read your entire post, and as I've been repeatedly warned to do

so by Rose, I trimmed it to the portion that I felt warranted a response.

Don't assume that because I have a disagreement with one sentence out of a

whole paragraph, it doesn't mean I didn't read it.

Second, your " thoughtful gesture " is totally disregarding the content of my

reply. LPA has already opened the Pandora's box of allowing room for bible

study and GLBT meetings. We are in agreement that if it is going to be

allowed for one group, it should be allowed for all.

Third (and I shouldn't reply to your barbs about my use of scripture and

Buddhists sayings, as it was an obvious and patronizing attempt to incite an

argument) I am a pluralist (one who believes all religions and philosophies

contain a dollop of truth). Perhaps you should study world religions a

little more closely and then you'd understand there is no contradiction

between Buddhism (Buddha is spelled with an H, BTW) and Christianity.

Buddhism is a philosophy (yes I know some have institutionalized it) and

Christianity is a religion. I'm a pragmatist, I judge things by their

fruits, and not their roots (famous quote). Both the

philosophy of Buddhism and the religion of Christianity teach compassion,

mercy, justice, and truth. I freely embrace both. Also your statement

about the Buddha " would see no need for any groups that apply man made

labels as we are all one or part of intergalactic oneness spirit " is either

poor grammatical construction (it makes very little sense to me) or reflects

a misunderstanding of Buddhism. The Buddha did not espouse a belief in the

logos (a single intergalactic spirit). You are correct, however, in that he

believed inner harmony was the key to alleviate suffering.

Fourth, my quotes are not there to embellish my " scholarly opinion. " It is

part of my regular signature file. If you'd had read any of my emails in

the past year, you probably would have seen them (I do, on occasion, rotate

through a list of my favorite scriptural and Buddhist sayings). I have no

need to make myself look scholarly. I am the first to admit the more I

learn, the less I seem to know. (Besides, if I wanted to " look scholarly " I

would have quoted St. Augustine, Einstein, Descartes or Thoreau).

In any case, I'm sure the rest of the list is probably not interested in

this discussion, but I invite you to email me off list if you want to

discuss philosophy further.

Bill

On 5/27/06, Huntley <yllibbooster@...> wrote:

>

> I wish you would have read the whole posting of mine, but instead one

> portion of the whole context is what you have decided to issue a reply. And

> just a thoughtful gesture from one LP to another: Refrain from the vague

> quotes and biblical script-bites. Budda would see no need for any groups

> that apply man made labels as we are all one or part of intergalactic

> oneness spirit; and to send a biblical quote with a buddist quote is

> conflicting, Buddist's attempt to achieve inner harmony. I appreciate your

> scholarly opinion but there is no need to embellish it with quotes and

> scripture to make you look more scholarly.

>

>

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" There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going

all the way, and not starting. "

(Buddha)

" You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. "

( 8:32)

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Bill --

And I just want to publicly say thank you from the bottom of my heart for this!

You are now officially my favorite Bradford.

Rose

-----Original Message-----

From: Bill Bradford tslug1@...

,

First, I did read your entire post, and as I've been repeatedly warned to do

so by Rose, I trimmed it to the portion that I felt warranted a response.

Don't assume that because I have a disagreement with one sentence out of a

whole paragraph, it doesn't mean I didn't read it.

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>> Both the philosophy of Buddhism and the religion of Christianity teach

compassion,

mercy, justice, and truth. I freely embrace both.

As with *anything*, it is the differences that count.

For example: Cyanide and aspirin are similar in that they come in tablet form.

A big difference is one kills while the other helps pain and aches.

(btw, that is just an example! NOT a commentary)

Jim

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In a message dated 5/28/2006 6:56:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bill writes:

(I have a feeling we are now straying from the topic of dwarfism, and fear

of the Rose is the beginning of wisdom.)

Ah, grasshopper, you have grabbed the pebble from my hand. Now hand it back

as pebbles are expensive and I can't use them as tax write-offs.

The topic of religion and practicing a faith as it relates to LPA conferences

and regionals is delicate but perfectly acceptable for this board. When we

start comparing religions to cyanide & aspirin you lose me and I ask for that to

be taken off list.

Rose

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LOL. That's one way of looking at it. I prefer to look for commonalities

rather than differences.

Cyanide can be made from almonds. So, almonds can be used for nourishment

or as a poison. Kind of like a religion.

Bill

(I have a feeling we are now straying from the topic of dwarfism, and fear

of the Rose is the beginning of wisdom.)

On 5/28/06, Jim Sauer <jgsauer45@...> wrote:

>

> >> Both the philosophy of Buddhism and the religion of Christianity teach

> compassion,

> mercy, justice, and truth. I freely embrace both.

>

>

> As with *anything*, it is the differences that count.

>

> For example: Cyanide and aspirin are similar in that they come in tablet

> form. A big difference is one kills while the other helps pain and aches.

> (btw, that is just an example! NOT a commentary)

>

> Jim

>

> --

" There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going

all the way, and not starting. "

(Buddha)

" You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. "

( 8:32)

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