Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:56:35 PM, MargeClpa@... writes: << Marge Carlisle District 5 Permanent Proxy VP of Membership Candidate Past Presidnet 1990-94 Life Member >> Since when did the By-laws allow for a permanent proxy? Shouldn't Marge be filling a vacancy via appointment? Never Ever heard of " Permanent Proxy " ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 In a message dated 3/30/04 11:47:08 PM, mroloff@... writes: > > I want Bruce on our new Bylaw committee! ) > > I love this guy! He'll keep us all straight... And I hear he's 6'-10 " , > and 260lbs to boot. > > Matt > > The way you are acting lately, I would agree. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 In a message dated 3/30/04 11:47:59 PM, mroloff@... writes: > > I want Bruce on our new Bylaw committee! ) > > I love this guy! He'll keep us all straight... And I hear he's 6'-10, " > and 260lbs to boot. > > Matt > > How about starting an Ethics Committee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 I was elected Permanent Proxy by my membership.... Just as Ron Piro was for District 1. I sit on the Board of Directors, representing District 5. We also have an elected DD and Asst. DD who maintain the activities within the District ie, Regionals, Parent meetings and District Business. This arrangement was arranged when Lee Kitchens attended our regional because our DD resigned during his tenure. Our Asst. DD was willing to move into DD position, but did not feel comfortable being involved in National activities... Like I said , this position was first used in District 1. It worked quite well for them.... and it's doing fine for us...Others might want to try it. It's new and innovative.... not OLD GUARD!! Marge. On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:36:24 EST tonysoares551@... writes: > > In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:56:35 PM, MargeClpa@... writes: > > << Marge Carlisle > District 5 Permanent Proxy > VP of Membership Candidate > Past Presidnet 1990-94 > Life Member >> > > Since when did the By-laws allow for a permanent proxy? > > Shouldn't Marge be filling a vacancy via appointment? > > Never Ever heard of " Permanent Proxy " ... > > > > === > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Ok, here I go again. For those who may be tired of hearing me talk about the " rules is the rules " take comfort in that this is my third and last post for the day. Once again if the By Laws are followed it avoids all of the problems. The LPA By Laws in Article IX- Board of Directors, Section 4-meetings, states: In the event that a District Director is unable to attend board meetings, he/she may delegate, with the approval of the President, an eligible voting member from his/her district to serve in their capacity as a proxy during board meetings. The fact that you were not only named by your DD but also received the support of your members in the form of a vote is great. I guess the problem as I see it, and probably Tony, is in the use of the word " permanent " . I am assuming this term means for the remainder of this DD's tenure only. A newly elected DD for your district would have the right to name his own proxy. Yes? If the members decided that they would rather have a different proxy during the term of your current DD's tenure would they have the ability to ask him to appoint a new proxy? If the answer to both these questions is yes than I see no problem but I would drop the term " permanent " . If the answer to either question is no than I would say you are in violation of the By Laws. One other point. The President of LPA would also have to approve your proxy at the beginning of each meeting as required by the By Law. Of course with the support of the voting members of your District it would not be a very smart move for the President not to make such approval. Bruce, Proud Grandpa of Brenden Re: LPA By-Laws > I was elected Permanent Proxy by my membership.... Just as Ron Piro was > for District 1. I sit on the Board of Directors, representing District > 5. We also have an elected DD and Asst. DD who maintain the activities > within the District ie, Regionals, Parent meetings and District Business. > This arrangement was arranged when Lee Kitchens attended our regional > because our DD resigned during his tenure. Our Asst. DD was willing to > move into DD position, but did not feel comfortable being involved in > National activities... Like I said , this position was first used in > District 1. It worked quite well for them.... and it's doing fine for > us...Others might want to try it. It's new and innovative.... not OLD > GUARD!! > > Marge. > > On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:36:24 EST tonysoares551@... writes: > > > > In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:56:35 PM, MargeClpa@... writes: > > > > << Marge Carlisle > > District 5 Permanent Proxy > > VP of Membership Candidate > > Past Presidnet 1990-94 > > Life Member >> > > > > Since when did the By-laws allow for a permanent proxy? > > > > Shouldn't Marge be filling a vacancy via appointment? > > > > Never Ever heard of " Permanent Proxy " ... > > > > > > > > === > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 I want Bruce on our new Bylaw committee! ) I love this guy! He'll keep us all straight... And I hear he's 6'-10 " , and 260lbs to boot. Matt Re: LPA By-Laws Ok, here I go again. For those who may be tired of hearing me talk about the " rules is the rules " take comfort in that this is my third and last post for the day. Once again if the By Laws are followed it avoids all of the problems. The LPA By Laws in Article IX- Board of Directors, Section 4-meetings, states: In the event that a District Director is unable to attend board meetings, he/she may delegate, with the approval of the President, an eligible voting member from his/her district to serve in their capacity as a proxy during board meetings. The fact that you were not only named by your DD but also received the support of your members in the form of a vote is great. I guess the problem as I see it, and probably Tony, is in the use of the word " permanent " . I am assuming this term means for the remainder of this DD's tenure only. A newly elected DD for your district would have the right to name his own proxy. Yes? If the members decided that they would rather have a different proxy during the term of your current DD's tenure would they have the ability to ask him to appoint a new proxy? If the answer to both these questions is yes than I see no problem but I would drop the term " permanent " . If the answer to either question is no than I would say you are in violation of the By Laws. One other point. The President of LPA would also have to approve your proxy at the beginning of each meeting as required by the By Law. Of course with the support of the voting members of your District it would not be a very smart move for the President not to make such approval. Bruce, Proud Grandpa of Brenden Re: LPA By-Laws > I was elected Permanent Proxy by my membership.... Just as Ron Piro > was for District 1. I sit on the Board of Directors, representing > District 5. We also have an elected DD and Asst. DD who maintain the > activities within the District ie, Regionals, Parent meetings and > District Business. This arrangement was arranged when Lee Kitchens > attended our regional because our DD resigned during his tenure. Our > Asst. DD was willing to move into DD position, but did not feel > comfortable being involved in National activities... Like I said , > this position was first used in District 1. It worked quite well for > them.... and it's doing fine for us...Others might want to try it. > It's new and innovative.... not OLD GUARD!! > > Marge. > > On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:36:24 EST tonysoares551@... writes: > > > > In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:56:35 PM, MargeClpa@... writes: > > > > << Marge Carlisle > > District 5 Permanent Proxy > > VP of Membership Candidate > > Past Presidnet 1990-94 > > Life Member >> > > > > Since when did the By-laws allow for a permanent proxy? > > > > Shouldn't Marge be filling a vacancy via appointment? > > > > Never Ever heard of " Permanent Proxy " ... > > > > > > > > === > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Marge and List, I don't dispute the idea - in fact I think it works well. But the question I have - and to restate Tony's question - is this permissable under the bylaws? The board has voted to not make any more exceptions to the bylaws and, if the permanent proxy position is allowed, what are we going to do? It's too late to propose a bylaw change in this year's election cycle. I guess I'll have to check the wording on proxys. (The fact that the district members OK'd it leads me to believe it could slide.) My point here is that I disagree with the board's position of casting the bylaws in stone. While I agree with the principle, sometimes exceptions have to be made - as in the case of permanent proxys (assuming they're not allowed). If the reason for the exception is well documented, then it will not become a precedent. If the exception works better than the rule, then it's time to change the rule. Now, moving forward, since we have decided to strictly enforce the bylaws with officer eligibility, I am going to be very upset if the issue comes up again. After all, are the bylaws not crystal clear on this? Randy Bradford VP in Exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Follow on... Bruce's message clarified this. The permanent proxy appears to be allowed. I believe this is my third message for the day. If I've gone over, please forgive me Dear Brother Bill, it's because I lost count. Randy_____ > Marge and List, > > I don't dispute the idea - in fact I think it works well. > > But the question I have - and to restate Tony's question - is this > permissable under the bylaws? > > The board has voted to not make any more exceptions to the bylaws > and, if the permanent proxy position is allowed, what are we going to > do? > > It's too late to propose a bylaw change in this year's election cycle. > > I guess I'll have to check the wording on proxys. (The fact that the > district members OK'd it leads me to believe it could slide.) > > My point here is that I disagree with the board's position of casting > the bylaws in stone. While I agree with the principle, sometimes > exceptions have to be made - as in the case of permanent proxys > (assuming they're not allowed). If the reason for the exception is > well documented, then it will not become a precedent. If the > exception works better than the rule, then it's time to change the > rule. > > Now, moving forward, since we have decided to strictly enforce the > bylaws with officer eligibility, I am going to be very upset if the > issue comes up again. After all, are the bylaws not crystal clear on > this? > > Randy Bradford > VP in Exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I must say Marge you have waken me up. I mean how can we not vote for you. Especially since as I read your email, your whole stance is that you will make sure we follow the rules. I mean in my job capacity, I work with over 200 different Not-for-Profit organizations and all they worry about is meeting their mission statement. It is very very rare that anyone writes, rewrites, and/or updates their By-Laws and Policy Manual. They are worried about unimportant things such as finding funding for programs to assist their membership and/or service population. In fact I sit on several United Way Stragtic Planning Committees, and not once has a member of a committee asked to see these documents. Again, they are only worried if the agencies have reasonable outcomes and meeting their outcome indicators. Believe it or not their only concern is that these outcomes will positively impact the community. (i.e. livable wage for everyone, prevention of violence, increase literacy, homelessness, affordable housing, etc.) Thank you, Thank you Marge - At the next meeting of the United Way I am going to tell them that they can not allocate another dime, until we are sure that all the member agencies are 1) following their By-Laws and Policy Manual to the letter, and 2) that all By-Laws and Policy Manuals are updated to assure that they can be followed. And, I will insist that funding only go to agencies that do. Since I also serve on the board of the local Food Bank's Agencies Building Capacity (ABC) Center, I will insist that only agencies that follow their By-laws and Policy Manuals receive food (we don't want food to go to hungry people served by agencies that don't). I will do the same for all the agencies and foundations that my firm works for including two Federal Empowerment Zones and a Federal Renewal Community. Again thank you Marge for waking me up as to what is really important. LPA By-Laws As a Past President who believed firmly in By-Laws and Policy I have had many anxious moments during the last several years when past officers have ignored them. Past Presidents of Carten, Marguilies and Van Etten worked hard to follow the " rules " and make the By-Laws a working, living, growing document as the organization changed.. I remember my last set of meetings in the Board room I submitted to a committe a list of items in the policy manual that we had outgrown or needed tweeking. Before the end of the week the committee came back to the Officers and said , " these need to go... these need to stay and these need to be tweeked " .... But we followed the rules for them to happen. Unfortunately we have been through a period of leadership when WRITTEN By-Laws, policy and Minutes of Board Meetings have not been kept current. We are attempting to regain our focus and documentation in this area.... because By-Laws and Policies guide the management of each and every organizatioin. ...including LPA.... There has been an outcry for copies of By-Laws... Prior to this surge in interest did anyone call their DD or Executive Committee and request a copy of them.... ???? If not why??? Consider this my first " campaign " statement... but actually I said it in the Board room in Boston... I will make every attempt I can to bring LPA back to our using the guidance of By-Laws and Policy..... and SUGGEST THE NECESSARY CHANGES where needed. This discussion has been healthy.... If it wakes people up to reading and understanding the guiding prinicipals of our organization... which is 47 years old ... and brings more voices into the business of running the organization... Great!!! Your first chance will be to read ALL the proposed by-law changes which EVERY PAID MEMBER WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE ON prior to Conference. Ballots will be in the mail in May!! I hope the PO Box is over run with ballots.... ONe last comment.... In my time of being involved on some level of LPA government, I have seen many people stay committed for years in some capacity.... But I have also seen some come in like a flash of lightening ... make some loud and provacative statements in the Board Room ....Stir up some " stuff " and then be gone before we know it.. Sometimes the organization has been left holding the bag so to speak, because we've placed those individuals in roles, when all they were were a bright bolt of lighting and a lot of noise. The organization is not going to fold beacause we've " followed the rules " ... Everyones help is needed... if your not in the right place at the right time...it doesn't mean you CAN'T do something in another capacity until it is the right place and right time. Marge Carlisle District 5 Permanent Proxy VP of Membership Candidate Past Presidnet 1990-94 Life Member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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