having kids

[Guest guest]

Not that I'm planning on having children any time soon but I have SED

(and 4'1 " ), my mother was an LP but my father was short statured due

to polio...and hypothetically, if I were to get pregnant with somebody

who was 6'1 " what are the chances of me having an LP or AP child?

[Guest guest]

I don't think it's a 50/50 chance. That's the chance with an ACHON, but I

don't know how it goes with SED.

Amy

Re: having kids

> its a 50 50 chance sweetie..my parents were both dwarfs and im not..so its

> very hard to tell

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> aleonard_85 <aleonard_85@...> wrote: Not that I'm planning on

> having children any time soon but I have SED

> (and 4'1 " ), my mother was an LP but my father was short statured due

> to polio...and hypothetically, if I were to get pregnant with somebody

> who was 6'1 " what are the chances of me having an LP or AP child?

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

SEDc is an autosomal dominant mutation, so if your partner is average

height, there is a 50% chance that your child will inherit and express

the affected gene resulting in SEDc, and a 50% chance that your child

will be average height.

You can read more about this and a second form of SED (SEDt), as well

as inheritance for both types here:

http://health.enotes.com/genetic-disorders-encyclopedia/spondyloepiphyseal-dyspl\

asia

Amelia

[Guest guest]

Hi all, ka Peasely (or is it Oakenfus now?) would be a good one to ask

about genetics. But I'm getting my minor is anthropology so I'll give it a

shot...

There are two major forms of dwarfism (genetically): dominant and

recessive. Domininant forms of dwarfism means that the gene (locus of the

chromosonal allele) is dominant for the trait. So a person with

Achondroplasia (or pseudo or SED) has one gene for dwarfism and one for

being tall. (You get sets of genes from each parent, each causing different

physical traits. So for normal bone growth, you'd get one gene from each

parent that controls it.) If a person with achondroplasia had two genes for

dwarfism, this would be called double dominance, and is fatal at birth.

Obviously, two genes for being tall would mean you're tall. Now, if two

achons marry each other, there is a 50 percent chance the child will be

dwarf, a 25 percent chance the child will be tall, and a 25 percent chance

the child will be double dominant (and not survive birth). If an achon

were to marry an AP, then there is a 50-50 chance the child will be tall or

short. (These examples also work for pseudos and SEDs). Also, with

dominant forms of dwarfism, the first generation of a child born with

dwarfism is the result of a mutation of the gamete (the sperm or egg cells

in the parent). But after that, they can pass it on. That is why you see

so many achon kids being the only ones in their family with dwarfism if both

their parents are tall.

Now with recessive forms of dwarfism (diastrophics for example, also called

DDs), it takes two genes for dwarfism. So a tall person can be a carrier

for DD, even though they don's show it (there is some new research out that

indicates certain forms of recessive genes may sill express themselves in

subtle ways, but we'll ingore that discussion for now). So if a tall DD

carrier were to have kids with another tall DD carrier, 3/4 of their kids

would be tall, and 1/4 would have DD. (There is some question about this,

because DD seems to run in bunches in some families, like mine. So it may

be a multiple-allele gene that causes it -- another discussion for another

day). If two DDs had kids, they would all be DD, since they would have no

genes for tallness. DD can vary in physical defect, which means some forms

are more severe than others (I don't know if this true of all recessive

forms of dwarfism). If a DD were to have kids with a tall person, they'd

all be tall (but would be carriers for DD). If a DD had kids with another

different type of dwarf, like an achon, there is 50-50 chance the kids would

be tall or achon (like the Roloff twins). Recessive forms of dwarfism can

go on for many generations without expressing themselves, unlike dominant

forms. No one really knows have the recessive form began in the first place

(probably a mutation like the dominant forms, but there is no definitive

evidence to date).

Now, no one is really sure (to my knowledge) of what happens when two dwarfs

with dominant forms of dwarfism have kids. For example, an achon and a

pseudo. My stepdaughter had an achon dad and a pseudo mom, and was a

pseudo. Her brother, my stepson, was tall. I don't know what happens if

they get both genes for dwarfism, and if there is a combined dominance of

two different types.

I hope that helps and wasn't too confusing. The lpaonline website has links

to all this info.

-Bill

On 3/31/06, Hemmerly <icstars2004@...> wrote:

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> I think it's a pretty random thing. I'm not sure what the exact stats are

> but there is NO ONE in my family who is an LP and it doesn't run in my

> family's past generations yet I was born with chondrodysplasia punctata -an

> extremely rare form of dwarfism. When I was born my family was told that

> only 50 people in the entire US has it.

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> I'm only 20 but I would really like to know your guys views on lp's having

> babies. I don't know what I am gonna do when that time comes. 1. I cant

> physically carry a baby 2. I dunno if the baby would be an lp 3. im afraid

> of feeling guilty if the baby did inherit dwarfism from me 4. I don't know

> if I could handle going through everything with an lp baby just bc I know

> how they must be feeling going into surgery etc.

> Re: having kids

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> its a 50 50 chance sweetie..my parents were both dwarfs and im not..so

> its very hard to tell

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> aleonard_85 <aleonard_85@...<mailto:aleonard_85@...>>

> wrote: Not that I'm planning on having children any time soon but I have

> SED

> (and 4'1 " ), my mother was an LP but my father was short statured due

> to polio...and hypothetically, if I were to get pregnant with somebody

> who was 6'1 " what are the chances of me having an LP or AP child?

>

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[Guest guest]

It's definitely a 50-50 I'd say on this one. I'm 4'7 " , my exhusband

is 5'7 and our daughter at 12 is 4'3 " and weighs 60 lbs. My current

hubby is 5'5 " and our 9 year old is 4 " and weighs 40 lbs, and our

almost 7 year old is 3'4 " and weighs 30 lbs. My mum is 5' even and

my dad was 5'5 " , and my sister is 5'1 " . I'm definitely the shortest

of my " growing up " family, whilst my 6 yr old is definitely the

smallest of my " grown up family " . My type of Dwarfism is different

though, I've got Pituitary Dwarfism, and seems that I'm 2 for 3 with

my girls having the same type. My oldest Jenifer and my youngest

Misha are well below " norm " for their ages, but na, the middle

girl, is actually in the 50% range for height although her weight is

below average. Still, the doctor says that she will grow to at least

5' whilst Jen and Misha won't make it past my height (and in Misha's

case, at her current growth pattern we're looking at her hitting 4'2

if we're lucky )

Still, plenty of married LPs have AP kids (EX. Look at the Roloffs

where their twins are AP and LP!). And of course, plenty of APs have

LP kids, so really, there's no way to tell what you'll get when you

have kids. My advice after having 6 misscarries and 3 c-sections (of

which my oldest and youngest were both premies) ... I say don't

worry about if they'll be AP or LP ... just pray that they'll be

healthy when they're born. Any mum will tell you that's the first

thing we worry over!

~~Mara~~

Mum to Jenifer 12, na 9, Misha almost 7

[Guest guest]

I met one woman through this list who has achondroplasia and her husband has

pseudoachondroplasia...... they have 4 children.... one has pseudo.... one has

achon...... two have a combination of psuedo/achon.

The geneticist at convention told us that with one parent being pseudo and one

being achon the chances were:

25% pseudoachondroplasia

25% achondroplasia

25% combination of pseudo/achon

25% average size

Also thought i would mention that there is a recessive form of pseudo.... well i

think it's classified as recessive..... there is a term to describe it but can't

remember what it is now. Anyway, my great grandparents were both average size

(actually on the tall side) and they had 3 sons..... two were pseudos and one

was average size.

I had heard my great grandfather was a LP but when doing family research a

couple of years ago we found pictures and met a cousin we never knew about and

discovered that he wasn't. That really had me curious how two avg size parents

had two pseudos so i went digging to find the answer. Anyway.... just thought

that was interesting as i had never heard of it before.

Reba

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I've been away for the weekend but wanted to reply to

the (I think) original posting about having kids.

This is my personal belief but I will be blessed no

matter what children I have, whether lp or tall, girls

or boys. I'd prefer lp girls but prefering doesn't

mean anything in this world. I just want healthy kids

someday and having a dwarfism does not mean they are

not healthy.

My mom was a pseudo and never once did I blame her. If

I have lp kids someday and they have a bad day and

blame me, I know not to take it to heart but to help

them deal with whatever issue they face, like all

parents would.

My life does not revolve around my dwarfism,

arthritis, my 2 past surgeries, etc.. My life is

filled with my family, friends, my hobbies and

education, that is what consumes me, not my height. So

if my future kids have a dwarfism their lives will be

consumed with those things as well along with much

love and support. Being made fun of in school, a few

surgeries, not reaching a shelf, altering clothes is

not a big issue in the whole scheme of my life and

hopefully it won't be for future kids as well.

I wish every one on here could feel the same way but I

know having children is a personal choice. As I've

read posts from the past about women not wanting to

pass on this genetic thing, it makes me think that

they don't have the best lives and that makes me sad.

I wish everyone could see their dwarfism as a part of

them instead of this horrible thing they were given.

Remember, all kids have issues sometimes whether they

are average height or a dwarf, passing on something

different is far from the worst thing a parent could

do. The worst thing a parent could do is be abusive

and neglectful. If you feel you have love in your

heart then go ahead and be a wonderful parent!!!

-

Proud LP Woman

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[Guest guest]

Hear hear, ! I whole-heartily agree, children are a joy that should be

treasured. Worrying about whether they'll be AP, LP, or anything else tells me

that what someone is really afraid of is what they themselves experienced rather

than what their child will experience. We all have our " sob stories " about how

awful it was for us growing up, and heck, even today we're still peered and

prodded, but you also have to admit that today's LP kids have a much brighter

and easier future then we ever did.

Don't deny yourself the chance to be a parent and experience all the joys,

large and small, that our children bring to us. I can't tell you how often

during the day I stop what I'm doing to smile because I've come across a drawing

or a song or a plushie or anything that my kids enjoy. My husband wanted our

daughters so much that he left his family and didn't talk to them for years

because they were trying to split us up. Ten years and two kids later (plus my

oldest daughter from my first marriage) we're happy and more in love than ever,

and the main reason for that is because we have our daughters.

Sure, being a parent is rough. It's time consuming, requires a ton of

nuturing, training, bumps and lumps, and yup, even stinky nappies, but trust me

- it's worth it! The day your little one takes their first step ... says their

first word ... gets their first tooth ... the first day of Kindergarten ... all

the way up to marriage and grandkids, these are the moments a parent lives for.

This is why we become parents ... to enjoy our kids despite whatever we " might "

pass down to future generations. And honestly, it's all in how you raise your

kids. My kids have absolutely no problems with their height or my height because

I never let be a problem. I never let them think there was a block on them

because they're small, instead I nurture their ideas and help them achieve their

goals best way I can. If I have to ask for help to reach something, I ask and I

don't say that it's bad, instead I make light of the situation, especially if

I'm asking a stranger. Let me tell you, I've

never once been refused help, and I've always had my " helpers " walk away from

me with a smile because of a little joke or whatnot. If you sit there and tell

your kids how awful you had it growning up, then yeah, they're going to reflect

that and think that that's the way it is, and it doesn't have to be if you just

express yourself to your kids in the right ways.

I know everyone raises their kids differently, and when it comes down to it

I'm probably one of the oddest mum out there for how I raise my kids (and

believe me, I admit am an odd duck lol!). We're all going to have our quirks,

but I will say this - if the only thing holding you back from having a child is

your fear of passing on dwarfism, then I'd say it's time to visit a hospital and

see worse things that can be passed on. Dwarfism isn't a hinderance and it's

certainly no reason to deny life, which is definitely the best reason of all to

have kids!

~~Mara~~

[Guest guest]

Hello, I have SEDc also.

The stats show that you and I both have 50% chance of passing on the

dwarfism to our children.

My father has SEDc and he has 4 children...only one had dwarfism, Me.

If you have any questions or want to talk, feel free to email me.

a

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> Not that I'm planning on having children any time soon but I have

SED

> (and 4'1 " ), my mother was an LP but my father was short statured due

> to polio...and hypothetically, if I were to get pregnant with

somebody

> who was 6'1 " what are the chances of me having an LP or AP child?

>

[Guest guest]

hi im sorry but u have the wrong e-mail address im not lisa and i dont know wat

ur talkin about im jordan

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mara, my name is . I couldn't agree with you more, on a couple

things. In my opinion being a parent is one of the greatest gifts

that you can ever experience. I don't have any childen of my own yet

but will someday, hopefully 1 girl & 1 boy. But I work in the

children's ward at the hospital where I work and babysit my niece

quite often. I am also just going back to school to complete my

nursing. I get such a joy watching my little niece run around the

house or playing with a smile on her face. Some of the things she

does or says cracks me up. Working with the kids in the hospital and

seing some of the things that they have to go threw makes my problems

seem pretty small in comparison. They are definatly tough and brave

dealing with some of the things they go threw. It can tug at your

heart sometimes but also makes me want to have my own. I definatly

agree when you say don't deny yourself the chance to be a parent just

because you are a LP or whatnot. I am not classed as LP or as having

dwarfism because I am an inch or so to tall. I am just very tiny. But

I am close to being borderline and I was alittle worried myself at

one time about having children because of my size. But I am not

anymore because I have seem and heard of LP's that were quite small

having children and they seem to do just fine. I also agreee when you

said that just because you are a LP doesn't mean that it has to be a

problem. I have met a couple LP's and have talked to quite a few and

they seem to do just as good and some do even better than AP. They

work, drive, live on their own, pay bills, raise kids and just about

everything else you can think of. Everyone seems to compensate for

their shortcomings, no pun indended. Sure there can be certain

struggles that LP's face but everyone including AP have struggles and

problems that they have to deal with in everyday life. Alot of it has

to do with their attitude. There are always exception to that rule

but for the most part not. Anyhow nice meeting you and great post.

Need to get back to working on my paper for school\work. Chow for

now. PEACE

Hear hear, ! I whole-heartily agree, children are a joy that

should be treasured. Worrying about whether they'll be AP, LP, or

anything else tells me that what someone is really afraid of is what

they themselves experienced rather than what their child will

experience. We all have our " sob stories " about how awful it was for

us growingexcemptions up, and heck, even today we're still peered and

prodded, but you also have to admit that today's LP kids have a much

brighter and easier future then we ever did. Don't deny yourself the

chance to be a parent and experience all the joys, large and small,

that our children bring to us. I can't tell you how often during the

day I stop what I'm doing to smile because I've come across a drawing

or a song or a plushie or anything that my kids enjoy. My husband

wanted our daughters so much that he left his family and didn't talk

to them for years because they were trying to split us up. Ten years

and two kids later (plus my oldest daughter from my first marriage)

we're happy and more in love than ever, and the main reason for that

is because we have our daughters. Sure, being a parent is rough. It's

time consuming, requires a ton of nuturing, training, bumps and

lumps, and yup, even stinky nappies, but trust me - it's worth it!

The day your little one takes their first step ... says their first

word ... gets their first tooth ... the first day of Kindergarten ...

all the way up to marriage and grandkids, these are the moments a

parent lives for. This is why we become parents ... to enjoy our kids

despite whatever we " might " pass down to future generations. And

honestly, it's all in how you raise your kids. My kids have

absolutely no problems with their height or my height because I never

let be a problem. I never let them think there was a block on them

because they're small, instead I nurture their ideas and help them

achieve their goals best way I can. If I have to ask for help to

reach something, I ask and I don't say that it's bad, instead I make

light of the situation, especially if I'm asking a stranger. Let me

tell you, I've never once been refused help, and I've always had

my " helpers " walk away from me with a smile because of a little joke

or whatnot. If you sit there and tell your kids how awful you had it

growning up, then yeah, they're going to reflect that and think that

that's the way it is, and it doesn't have to be if you justexpress

yourself to your kids in the right ways. I know everyone raises their

kids differently, and when it comes down to it I'm probably one of

the oddest mum out there for how I raise my kids (and believe me, I

admit am an odd duck lol!). We're all going to have our quirks, but I

will say this - if the only thing holding you back from having a

child is your fear of passing on dwarfism, then I'd say it's time to

visit a hospital and see worse things that can be passed on. Dwarfism

isn't a hinderance and it's certainly no reason to deny life, which

is definitely the best reason of all to have kids! ~~Mara~~