Re: Re: Election Day Discrimination

[Guest guest]

I would think if people need to vote and it's there right too and the poll is

not accessable why not just contact the people you are voting for. I am 4ft3

and i was allowed to ask the person in the polling place to come in the booth

and vote what i could not reach............. it's not that big a deal.

Irwin

[Guest guest]

Well,

You shouldn't have to ask someone to fill it out for

you and I am shocked they allowed that. They are

supposed to have a booth that is lower for disability

access or at least chairs there you could can use.

Also people could do what I did and get an absentee

ballot. I sent my ballot in a week ago so I don't

have to bother with long lines and booths. In

Wisconsin you don't have to give a reason, you just

contact your local person and you fill out a sheet and

a ballot is mailed to you. I think its too late for

this election but something to keep in mind for the

next.

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[Guest guest]

I agree, and it strikes me that they're violating the ADA. What do they do

for people who use wheelchairs?

Dan

On 10/26/04 2:15 AM, " irish_p_butter@... " <irish_p_butter@...>

wrote:

> Well,

> You shouldn't have to ask someone to fill it out for

> you and I am shocked they allowed that. They are

> supposed to have a booth that is lower for disability

> access or at least chairs there you could can use.

> Also people could do what I did and get an absentee

> ballot. I sent my ballot in a week ago so I don't

> have to bother with long lines and booths. In

> Wisconsin you don't have to give a reason, you just

> contact your local person and you fill out a sheet and

> a ballot is mailed to you. I think its too late for

> this election but something to keep in mind for the

> next.

> -

[Guest guest]

I agree - I live in a real small town but atleast they give me a chair to stand

on. It's not really a big deal - they just make it so I'm comfortable!

Re: Re: Election Day Discrimination

I agree, and it strikes me that they're violating the ADA. What do they do

for people who use wheelchairs?

Dan

On 10/26/04 2:15 AM, " irish_p_butter@... " <irish_p_butter@...>

wrote:

> Well,

> You shouldn't have to ask someone to fill it out for

> you and I am shocked they allowed that. They are

> supposed to have a booth that is lower for disability

> access or at least chairs there you could can use.

> Also people could do what I did and get an absentee

> ballot. I sent my ballot in a week ago so I don't

> have to bother with long lines and booths. In

> Wisconsin you don't have to give a reason, you just

> contact your local person and you fill out a sheet and

> a ballot is mailed to you. I think its too late for

> this election but something to keep in mind for the

> next.

> -

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[Guest guest]

In Rhode Island, there are two observers ... one D, one R ... and if you

require assistance, you go in with them, tell them your choice, and each one

is there to " spot " the other. How this protects you if you're voting for a

third party (I am a registered Libertarian and am voting for President

accordingly), I don't know.

When I lived in Fort , I really liked the way they did it. They gave

you a Scantron ballot. You sat at a table, filled it out, put it in this

folder with the top of the ballot sticking out, and you fed it into the

scanner.

When I voted most recently (county clerk recall) it was a push-button voting

machine. You push a button, a little LED light comes on next to your choice,

and it registers when you hit the " vote " button.

Re: Re: Election Day Discrimination

>

> Well,

> You shouldn't have to ask someone to fill it out for

> you and I am shocked they allowed that. They are

> supposed to have a booth that is lower for disability

> access or at least chairs there you could can use.

> Also people could do what I did and get an absentee

> ballot. I sent my ballot in a week ago so I don't

> have to bother with long lines and booths. In

> Wisconsin you don't have to give a reason, you just

> contact your local person and you fill out a sheet and

> a ballot is mailed to you. I think its too late for

> this election but something to keep in mind for the

> next.

> -

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

It's an interesting question. I've been a super voter for over 30 years.

They always allowed me to stand on a chair. Two years ago, out of nowhere,

they decided that they couldn't allow that anymore... claiming liability.

( " What if I fell off the chair.... " )They said a judge of elections would go

in with me which in the end I agreed to because I wanted to vote but I

protested that it violated my right to privacy. This year I voted absentee

(for Kerry, of course! pardon me for the partisan comment) to avoid the

" chair fight " . I've not taken the issue any further at this point but my

opinion is that it probably is not an ADA violation. They only have to

provide " reasonable " accommodation (not the person's preferred

accommodation) and since they allow either absentee or a " helper " in the

booth, I believe they would be within the law. Just my opinion.

Helene

Re: Re: Election Day Discrimination

>

> I agree, and it strikes me that they're violating the ADA. What do they do

> for people who use wheelchairs?

>

> Dan

>

> On 10/26/04 2:15 AM, " irish_p_butter@... " <irish_p_butter@...>

> wrote:

>

>> Well,

>> You shouldn't have to ask someone to fill it out for

>> you and I am shocked they allowed that. They are

>> supposed to have a booth that is lower for disability

>> access or at least chairs there you could can use.

>> Also people could do what I did and get an absentee

>> ballot. I sent my ballot in a week ago so I don't

>> have to bother with long lines and booths. In

>> Wisconsin you don't have to give a reason, you just

>> contact your local person and you fill out a sheet and

>> a ballot is mailed to you. I think its too late for

>> this election but something to keep in mind for the

>> next.

>> -

>

>

>

>

> ===

>

[Guest guest]

Here in Oregon, we do all of our balloting by mail. No problems for the

disabled.

Bill

--------- Re: Re: Election Day Discrimination

>

> Well,

> You shouldn't have to ask someone to fill it out for

> you and I am shocked they allowed that. They are

> supposed to have a booth that is lower for disability

> access or at least chairs there you could can use.

> Also people could do what I did and get an absentee

> ballot. I sent my ballot in a week ago so I don't

> have to bother with long lines and booths. In

> Wisconsin you don't have to give a reason, you just

> contact your local person and you fill out a sheet and

> a ballot is mailed to you. I think its too late for

> this election but something to keep in mind for the

> next.

> -

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Check out the following. It mostly pertains to the blind people touting

benefits of e-voting machines.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/10/04/better.e.voting.ap/index.html

Before, blind people doing paper ballot or " mechanical " voting would need to

have an election official help them with a representative from both of the

Democratic and Republican party witnessing the voting. 4 people total in the

booth.

For me, if it is mechanical voting booths, I ask for a chair. They've always

complied. They should have step stools though, because chairs(usually a school

cafeteria chair) are not meant to be used in that manner. If one were to fall,

who would be liable?

Nick Scalan

marlin@...

Honestly I think it is against ADA rights. Someone<BR>

> filling out the ballot for you at the location just<BR>

> doesn't seem right. Also what about those in a<BR>

> wheelchair, they should and maybe are supposed to have<BR>

> a lower booth. I would say something.<BR>

[Guest guest]

>>>>If one were to fall, who would be liable?

I cast my vote to hold Republicans responsible and sue the heck out of them!

<grin>

Cheers,

Karolyn

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Re: Re: Election Day Discrimination

Check out the following. It mostly pertains to the blind people touting

benefits of e-voting machines.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/10/04/better.e.voting.ap/index.html

Before, blind people doing paper ballot or " mechanical " voting would need to

have an election official help them with a representative from both of the

Democratic and Republican party witnessing the voting. 4 people total in the

booth.

For me, if it is mechanical voting booths, I ask for a chair. They've always

complied. They should have step stools though, because chairs(usually a

school

cafeteria chair) are not meant to be used in that manner. If one were to

fall,

who would be liable?

Nick Scalan

marlin@...

Honestly I think it is against ADA rights. Someone<BR>

> filling out the ballot for you at the location just<BR>

> doesn't seem right. Also what about those in a<BR>

> wheelchair, they should and maybe are supposed to have<BR>

> a lower booth. I would say something.<BR>