Re: What the heck is wrong with me?

[Guest guest]

There probably isn't anything wrong with you. This is only week five

out of the rest of your life. Stuff is going to go wrong, it will try

each day to derail your best efforts but don't let it. Are your

workouts intense enough? I've tried for months to get my shoulders to

do something and they just recently began to respond. I don't know

what the problem was but all of a sudden something happened. Please

give this more time and be patient. If you do this correctly, one day

you're going to wake up and see something different. Then the changes

will just snowball after that providing you don't mess up eating.

Really, I've been there, and done that so it WILL happen. But not

without sacrifice on your part, never forget that you get what you

give.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

> There probably isn't anything wrong with you. This is only week

five

> out of the rest of your life. Stuff is going to go wrong, it will

try

> each day to derail your best efforts but don't let it. Are your

> workouts intense enough? I've tried for months to get my shoulders

to

> do something and they just recently began to respond. I don't know

> what the problem was but all of a sudden something happened. Please

> give this more time and be patient. If you do this correctly, one

day

> you're going to wake up and see something different. Then the

changes

> will just snowball after that providing you don't mess up eating.

> Really, I've been there, and done that so it WILL happen. But not

> without sacrifice on your part, never forget that you get what you

> give.

>

> Stasia

I know Stasia, but it's fustrating when I sit here and I read all

these other post of other's that are having an awesome success in

their week 4.

I feel like now, I'm not doing anything right. I go back over my

workouts and critique and look for anything that might be wrong.

The only thing I can figure is maybe I'm not lifting heavy enough.

My weights are in range of 3-10lbs. I know I need heavier

dumbbells. Yesterday my chest was sore from the UBWO so, I feel like

I did something right there. However there have been days without

any sorness and I saw someone post once that if you don't feel

the " burn " you arent doing it right. Well, the ONLY time I ever feel

a true " burn " is when I do calves. Now, today I could tell that I

had done squats after I did them, but no BURN! So, I am not doing it

intense enough? I know that it takes me 45 minutes, I went from

spending 15 minutes weightlifting to 45 and 50.

It's looking at my gut that is making me sick. It's just a pudge. I

want it gone and sometimes, well, all the time, patience is just not

a virtue!

I'm not giving up and I'm willing to fight for it but today I'm just

crying and depressed.

I wonder if I need to cut calories more? Today is just a day where I

feel like I'm not doing anything right. If that makes sense?

Thanks for the input! I truly need it.

Noelle

[Guest guest]

Ok, maybe you could start by ruling things out as problems. Tomorrow

maybe do a workout with a bit heavier weights(if you have them). If

not, put them on your shopping list. They are quite inexpensive.

See if you can achieve some soreness simply by using the heavier

weight. Can you take your sets till you feel like you are killing

yourself and that one more rep might make you throw up? That kind of

intensity is what tears the tiny muscle fibers so that they can

repair and grow. Do you do your cardio intervals intensely enough? Do

you also feel like throwing up then? I know the feeling of throwing

up is no way to measure anything but at least you'll know you've

given your absolute all and that there's nothing more to give. When

things aren't happening it might make a difference to offer this kind

of abuse just to see what happens and how your body responds. It's

kind of radical but there's no sense in continuing to do things that

don't work. Be careful about cutting more calories. There might be

one food culprit that you can omit instead.

Another off the wall question but I've asked it of others. Are you

getting enough fat? Fat helps to mobilize stored fat. Look and see

where your fat is coming from. Too lowfat a diet and the enzymes for

fat mobilization just won't be there. One by one, look at all things.

Something might jump out at you that could be altered or done

differently. Hope this helps and sorry you're having a bad day.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

Do you think it's okay to do more reps than what Bill suggest, I mean, if I keep

going till I feel like I'm going to throw up, maybe I could go longer.....

You know, now that I look at it, maybe I'm not getting enough fat.

I just started taking Flaxseed Oil, but in caplets.

I eat mainly chicken and tuna, not much fat there. I think my fat for the week,

(looking at fitday) was something like 13%, I'll have to go back and check that.

It's so hard getting rid of that " lowfat " mentality. Now, on free day, I eat a

ton of it. Wouldn't that carry over some?

I'm going to get heavier bells for sure and really blow the lid off this work

out thing.

I don't know if you remember my post on the treadmill thing. I can not for the

life of me run on that stupid thing. I'll fall off. I am going to buy a jump

rope and add that in. I jump roped in place yesterday and that really gets the

heart rate pumping.

Thanks Stasia, I'm starting to feel better already.

Noelle

Re: WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH ME?

Ok, maybe you could start by ruling things out as problems. Tomorrow

maybe do a workout with a bit heavier weights(if you have them). If

not, put them on your shopping list. They are quite inexpensive.

See if you can achieve some soreness simply by using the heavier

weight. Can you take your sets till you feel like you are killing

yourself and that one more rep might make you throw up? That kind of

intensity is what tears the tiny muscle fibers so that they can

repair and grow. Do you do your cardio intervals intensely enough? Do

you also feel like throwing up then? I know the feeling of throwing

up is no way to measure anything but at least you'll know you've

given your absolute all and that there's nothing more to give. When

things aren't happening it might make a difference to offer this kind

of abuse just to see what happens and how your body responds. It's

kind of radical but there's no sense in continuing to do things that

don't work. Be careful about cutting more calories. There might be

one food culprit that you can omit instead.

Another off the wall question but I've asked it of others. Are you

getting enough fat? Fat helps to mobilize stored fat. Look and see

where your fat is coming from. Too lowfat a diet and the enzymes for

fat mobilization just won't be there. One by one, look at all things.

Something might jump out at you that could be altered or done

differently. Hope this helps and sorry you're having a bad day.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

I know that we are all different in how much weight we can lift, and

I don't know where you started, stregth-wise, but...

It seems to me that if you are not lifting more than 10# on ANY

exersise after 5 weeks, you are probably not pushing hard enough. In

my opinion, muscle soarness is not a good way to know how hard you

worked. Sometimes I lift an increadible weight, more than I ever

thought I could, and it is HARD!!!, but the next day, no soarness.

Other days, I lift what I lifted before, and I have soarness. I

think there are more factors in the soarness thing than just the

muscle tears. That being said, I guage myself by going for a 10.

Are you really hitting 10s? Are you feeling the burn, ever? Are you

weak and shakey after your last set?

Now. On to your cardio. What does that feel like? always

talks about getting into the " throw-up zone " , graffic but accurate.

Since you are doing only 20 minutes three times a week, you have to

really make it count. You have to be wathing that timmer on the 19th

minute, hoping that you don't die before it hits 20.

As for your food. You say " I am eating clean and trying to keep my

calories down " . Too vague. Give us a couple of days menues,

including quantities, so we can see what you are doing there. And

what do you do for free day? If you are going " whole hog " perhaps you

need to cut down. If you are so glad that you don't have to think

about eating that you are not eating hardly at all, you need to

change that.

Now, all THAT being said....you are only on week five and many don't

see the changes until weeks 6-8. That is not just a BFL phenominon.

I read an article in M & F Hers that confirmed that women usually see

results of a fitness program in 6-8 week increments. I guess it

takes that long for your body to catch on. Also, when did you take

the pics, and were they from the same distance, angle, lighting,

etc? That makes a difference in how they " look " . We are also very

critical of pictures of ourselves, so maybe you should try this.

Cover the face on the pics, and then turn the upsidedown. Now look

for differences.

I know that you have been trying hard to do the program right, and I

know that it can be frustrating to not see the quick changes you

hoped for. But I'm sure we can fine-tune things so that you get the

most out of it.

Alys

[Guest guest]

Are you really hitting 10s?

I feel like I am

Are you feeling the burn, ever?

Like I said before, the only time I feel a " burn " is on calves.

Are you weak and shakey after your last set? Yes

Now. On to your cardio. What does that feel like? Most days I feel like I have

to do another minute, I'll die. Could be because I HATE cardio. Like I have

said before, I can't run on my treadmill, so I only go up to about 4.1 or 4.2.

I raise the level up and down, when I get off but butt is throbbing. On

Saturday I try to walk / run outside

As for your food. You say " I am eating clean and trying to keep my

calories down " . Too vague. Give us a couple of days menues,

including quantities, so we can see what you are doing there

Yesterday:

Meal 1: 3-1/4 egg substitute

1 slice Canadian bacon

1 whole wheat tortilla

Meal 2: 1 cup fat free sugar free jell-o w/ 1/2 cup Fat Free

Cottage Cheese

Meal 3: 1 cup chicken tenders w/ 1/2 cup brown /wild rice and

2 cups frozen stir fry vegetables (chicken and

veggies cooked together)

Meal 4: 1 cup FF Jell-o and 1/2 cup FF cottage cheese

Meal 5: 2 cups lettuce (plain) w/ 1/4 cup tuna

Meal 6: Same as Meal 3

(I did have an extra cup of jell-o)

TODAY:

(Actually) Meal 1 was a post protein shake w/skim milk

Meal 1: 3 egg whites/Canadian bacon/whole wheat tortilla

Meal 2: 1 cup jell-o w/protein powder mixed in

Meal 3: Same as Meals 3 & 6 above

Meal 4: 1 can tuna

Meal 5: Same as Meal 2

Meal 6: Undetermined (probably a salad w/tuna) or protein shake

That is about it. Any suggestions, please...

Thanks

Noelle

Re: WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH ME?

I know that we are all different in how much weight we can lift, and

I don't know where you started, stregth-wise, but...

It seems to me that if you are not lifting more than 10# on ANY

exersise after 5 weeks, you are probably not pushing hard enough. In

my opinion, muscle soarness is not a good way to know how hard you

worked. Sometimes I lift an increadible weight, more than I ever

thought I could, and it is HARD!!!, but the next day, no soarness.

Other days, I lift what I lifted before, and I have soarness. I

think there are more factors in the soarness thing than just the

muscle tears. That being said, I guage myself by going for a 10.

Are you really hitting 10s? Are you feeling the burn, ever? Are you

weak and shakey after your last set?

Now. On to your cardio. What does that feel like? always

talks about getting into the " throw-up zone " , graffic but accurate.

Since you are doing only 20 minutes three times a week, you have to

really make it count. You have to be wathing that timmer on the 19th

minute, hoping that you don't die before it hits 20.

As for your food. You say " I am eating clean and trying to keep my

calories down " . Too vague. Give us a couple of days menues,

including quantities, so we can see what you are doing there. And

what do you do for free day? If you are going " whole hog " perhaps you

need to cut down. If you are so glad that you don't have to think

about eating that you are not eating hardly at all, you need to

change that.

Now, all THAT being said....you are only on week five and many don't

see the changes until weeks 6-8. That is not just a BFL phenominon.

I read an article in M & F Hers that confirmed that women usually see

results of a fitness program in 6-8 week increments. I guess it

takes that long for your body to catch on. Also, when did you take

the pics, and were they from the same distance, angle, lighting,

etc? That makes a difference in how they " look " . We are also very

critical of pictures of ourselves, so maybe you should try this.

Cover the face on the pics, and then turn the upsidedown. Now look

for differences.

I know that you have been trying hard to do the program right, and I

know that it can be frustrating to not see the quick changes you

hoped for. But I'm sure we can fine-tune things so that you get the

most out of it.

Alys

[Guest guest]

<<Do you think it's okay to do more reps than what Bill suggest, I mean, if I

keep going till I feel like I'm going to throw up, maybe I could go

longer.....>>

You definitely need heavier weights. If it even enters your head that you could

keep doing more reps, your weights are too light. That last rep should be an

ugly-faced, shaking, beads of sweat rolling down your forehead, near-death

experience.

If you're not dropping body fat, you're not creating enough of a calorie

deficit. Watch your portions sizes and your choice of carbs. If you're eating

right, it may be due to your workout intensity or your free day. I did see that

your fat was too low. Don't let it drop below 20% of your total calories (mine

is actually closer to 30%). Also, try structuring free day a little bit. Plan

what you really want to eat. Don't just mindlessly munch all day. (Can you guys

believe I just said that? LOL)

Hang in there. It's a learning thing. Once all the pieces fall into place,

you'll be thrilled. I've been doing this for years, and I'm still finding

pieces. ;-) It's an ongoing project, and I swear 80% of it is mental. The right

attitude leads to the right actions. So, don't allow yourself to wallow around

and doubt everything. Get it into your head that you're going to make changes

and succeed no matter what. The time frame isn't what matters.

[Guest guest]

Thanks !

I'll keep what you said in mind! I do believe its mental as well and when things

are stressed in other areas of my life, it just kind of spills over. I am

struggling at work and trying to go for a promotion and its just been one thing

after another. I think all the stress of that is making everything more

complicated.

I'm definitely getting heavier weights this weekend.

Noelle

Re: Re: WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH ME?

<<Do you think it's okay to do more reps than what Bill suggest, I mean, if I

keep going till I feel like I'm going to throw up, maybe I could go

longer.....>>

You definitely need heavier weights. If it even enters your head that you

could

keep doing more reps, your weights are too light. That last rep should be an

ugly-faced, shaking, beads of sweat rolling down your forehead, near-death

experience.

If you're not dropping body fat, you're not creating enough of a calorie

deficit. Watch your portions sizes and your choice of carbs. If you're eating

right, it may be due to your workout intensity or your free day. I did see

that

your fat was too low. Don't let it drop below 20% of your total calories (mine

is actually closer to 30%). Also, try structuring free day a little bit. Plan

what you really want to eat. Don't just mindlessly munch all day. (Can you

guys

believe I just said that? LOL)

Hang in there. It's a learning thing. Once all the pieces fall into place,

you'll be thrilled. I've been doing this for years, and I'm still finding

pieces. ;-) It's an ongoing project, and I swear 80% of it is mental. The

right

attitude leads to the right actions. So, don't allow yourself to wallow around

and doubt everything. Get it into your head that you're going to make changes

and succeed no matter what. The time frame isn't what matters.

[Guest guest]

Mentioned somewhere in this thread was the percentage of fat in your

eating plan...and you said something like 'freeday making up for

that' well, no thats not the GOOD FAT your body needs ya know! Good

fats are EFA's (essential fatty acids) and are readily used by your

body, which in turn helps it release stored bodyfat (no starvation

mode, sensors come off!) The addition of flaxseed oil is good,

however if you arent eating say salmon a few times a week (coldwater

fish have EFA's in them as do some kinds of nuts like almonds &

walnuts)then the capsules will not give you enough to energize a twig

sorry to say (it takes like 14 capsules to equal a tablespoon of

liquid oil. And as said, dont always think 'low fat' on

everything or 'fatfree' ... try cottage cheese in 1% or 2% for a

change (mmm creamy after eating fatfree for months!) and look for

GOOD fat choices in your eating plan...

In my opinion the all out freeday for MOST people (cept our Cadbury

pizza lovin ! ~ who btw is buff enough to burn it off!!) is like

shooting yourself in the foot! If you limit your calories thru the

week (whatever method, fist/palm or counting/tracking calories even)

and then eat say 6000 calories in one day (easy to do let me tell

you!) 1lb = 3500 calories...hmmmmm even with a caloric deficit over

the week I am NOT going to just vaporize these extra calories!!!! So

really critique your freeday and make it less & less to see better

results..remember, do you control your food or does it control you?

<<joni>>

*a diamond is a pice of coal that stuck to the job* <<---it didnt

take you five weeks to get fat, so why would it take you five weeks

to get 'unfat'? Dont compare yourself to anyone but yourself! ;-)

[Guest guest]

Noelle,

Others have posted great advice and I just wanted to add HANG IN

THERE GIRL!!! I only had up to 10 lb dumbbells and waht I did a few

days was very carefully hold my 10 and 3 lbs and 10 and 5 lbs to

create 13 and 15 lbs. Last weekend I bought 15s and 20s and it's

been a big difference.

And life's stresses can definitely spill over! I'm having a horrible

day after a horrible night of life stresses and just telling myself

that sooner or later these obstacles will be gone and I will be so

proud when I can look back and say, " I DID IT " , I hung in there and

stayed with my program. Nope, I've not been perfect. I did decide to

have 2 Zimas last night, but I don't have the mentality that I " blew

it " like i used to. This is a lifelong change and some days are a

little better than others.

Anyway, I've rambled! Just wanted to send you some good vibes. Also,

I don't know if I've lost but barely a pound also. And not but maybe

a 1/4 " off my waist and hips. Frustrating at times, but I keep

telling myself it was more then 3-4 weeks that put those inches

there...and I am determined to chase those pounds off and beat them

with a stick if I have to <G>!!

Colleen

> Thanks !

> I'll keep what you said in mind! I do believe its mental as well

and when things are stressed in other areas of my life, it just kind

of spills over. I am struggling at work and trying to go for a

promotion and its just been one thing after another. I think all the

stress of that is making everything more complicated.

> I'm definitely getting heavier weights this weekend.

> Noelle

[Guest guest]

Thanks Colleen!!

Noelle

Re: WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH ME?

Noelle,

Others have posted great advice and I just wanted to add HANG IN

THERE GIRL!!! I only had up to 10 lb dumbbells and waht I did a few

days was very carefully hold my 10 and 3 lbs and 10 and 5 lbs to

create 13 and 15 lbs. Last weekend I bought 15s and 20s and it's

been a big difference.

And life's stresses can definitely spill over! I'm having a horrible

day after a horrible night of life stresses and just telling myself

that sooner or later these obstacles will be gone and I will be so

proud when I can look back and say, " I DID IT " , I hung in there and

stayed with my program. Nope, I've not been perfect. I did decide to

have 2 Zimas last night, but I don't have the mentality that I " blew

it " like i used to. This is a lifelong change and some days are a

little better than others.

Anyway, I've rambled! Just wanted to send you some good vibes. Also,

I don't know if I've lost but barely a pound also. And not but maybe

a 1/4 " off my waist and hips. Frustrating at times, but I keep

telling myself it was more then 3-4 weeks that put those inches

there...and I am determined to chase those pounds off and beat them

with a stick if I have to <G>!!

Colleen

> Thanks !

> I'll keep what you said in mind! I do believe its mental as well

and when things are stressed in other areas of my life, it just kind

of spills over. I am struggling at work and trying to go for a

promotion and its just been one thing after another. I think all the

stress of that is making everything more complicated.

> I'm definitely getting heavier weights this weekend.

> Noelle

[Guest guest]

Thanks Joni,

I'll try the flaxseed oil w/the pills. The only thing about part skim or part

fat cottage cheese is (I tried it) and I can not eat it, gives me terrible gas

and the worst cramps I have ever had in my life.

I read on another message board www.bodybuilding.com where someone mentioned

almonds. That sounds pretty good and this free day, I am going to watch it and

as recommended not just eat mindlessly.

I'll try increasing the fat with some lean red meat. As for the fish, I do eat

a ton of tuna. Will try more salmon.

Thanks!

Noelle

Re: WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH ME?

Mentioned somewhere in this thread was the percentage of fat in your

eating plan...and you said something like 'freeday making up for

that' well, no thats not the GOOD FAT your body needs ya know! Good

fats are EFA's (essential fatty acids) and are readily used by your

body, which in turn helps it release stored bodyfat (no starvation

mode, sensors come off!) The addition of flaxseed oil is good,

however if you arent eating say salmon a few times a week (coldwater

fish have EFA's in them as do some kinds of nuts like almonds &

walnuts)then the capsules will not give you enough to energize a twig

sorry to say (it takes like 14 capsules to equal a tablespoon of

liquid oil. And as said, dont always think 'low fat' on

everything or 'fatfree' ... try cottage cheese in 1% or 2% for a

change (mmm creamy after eating fatfree for months!) and look for

GOOD fat choices in your eating plan...

In my opinion the all out freeday for MOST people (cept our Cadbury

pizza lovin ! ~ who btw is buff enough to burn it off!!) is like

shooting yourself in the foot! If you limit your calories thru the

week (whatever method, fist/palm or counting/tracking calories even)

and then eat say 6000 calories in one day (easy to do let me tell

you!) 1lb = 3500 calories...hmmmmm even with a caloric deficit over

the week I am NOT going to just vaporize these extra calories!!!! So

really critique your freeday and make it less & less to see better

results..remember, do you control your food or does it control you?

<<joni>>

*a diamond is a pice of coal that stuck to the job* <<---it didnt

take you five weeks to get fat, so why would it take you five weeks

to get 'unfat'? Dont compare yourself to anyone but yourself! ;-)

[Guest guest]

Sugar free jello doesn't contain any carbs, and it has only 80 cals

for the entire 8 serving box, so your second and fourth meals are

carb free; you're only getting about 80 calories with the 1/2 cottage

cheese. Also, 2 cups lettuce have about 20 calories, and why only

1/4 c. tuna? You need more protein than that. Meals 1 and 3 sound

great.

> Meal 1: 3-1/4 egg substitute

> 1 slice Canadian bacon

> 1 whole wheat tortilla

> Meal 2: 1 cup fat free sugar free jell-o w/ 1/2 cup Fat

Free Cottage Cheese

> Meal 3: 1 cup chicken tenders w/ 1/2 cup brown /wild rice and

> 2 cups frozen stir fry vegetables (chicken and

> veggies cooked together)

> Meal 4: 1 cup FF Jell-o and 1/2 cup FF cottage cheese

> Meal 5: 2 cups lettuce (plain) w/ 1/4 cup tuna

> Meal 6: Same as Meal 3

> (I did have an extra cup of jell-o)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Most days I wind up eating a whole can of tuna, I just did a quarter cup

yesterday because I knew that I would be eating the chicken twice. (and my

husband was making tuna at the time.)

I am counting calories so, that is why I am not eating a whole cup cottage

cheese. All of that yesterday was about 1300, more than what I want, I want to

be at about 1200.

When all of this is added on fit day, my carbs are more than protein. So today

I am trying to do more protein than carbs. Therefore the jell-o with protein.

If I didn't have that jell-o I would go crazy, that is one snack that I feel

like I can eat an endless amount of and not feel guilty.

Noelle

Re: WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH ME?

Sugar free jello doesn't contain any carbs, and it has only 80 cals

for the entire 8 serving box, so your second and fourth meals are

carb free; you're only getting about 80 calories with the 1/2 cottage

cheese. Also, 2 cups lettuce have about 20 calories, and why only

1/4 c. tuna? You need more protein than that. Meals 1 and 3 sound

great.

> Meal 1: 3-1/4 egg substitute

> 1 slice Canadian bacon

> 1 whole wheat tortilla

> Meal 2: 1 cup fat free sugar free jell-o w/ 1/2 cup Fat

Free Cottage Cheese

> Meal 3: 1 cup chicken tenders w/ 1/2 cup brown /wild rice and

> 2 cups frozen stir fry vegetables (chicken and

> veggies cooked together)

> Meal 4: 1 cup FF Jell-o and 1/2 cup FF cottage cheese

> Meal 5: 2 cups lettuce (plain) w/ 1/4 cup tuna

> Meal 6: Same as Meal 3

> (I did have an extra cup of jell-o)

>

>

[Guest guest]

~

LOL...this actually came from you? I almost choked on my water when I read

your reply ;0)

For all of the newbies out there~ This is comming from a woman that can eat

a Cadbury egg without it even sticking to her [calorie wise] and who loves

her free days as well and enjoys them to the fullest! and still looks

AWESOME!!!!

wrote:

" Also, try structuring free day a little bit. Plan what you really want to

eat. Don't just mindlessly munch all day. (Can you guys believe I just said

that? LOL) "

Joann

<<who just couldn't resist commenting on 's post>>

[Guest guest]

I am so jealous of . It takes me at least two days to recover

from my free day, and that's if I'm somewhat careful. I've had to

face the bitter truth: A free, controlled meal once a week is all I

can have if I want to see results. It's sad but true, and I just

have to accept it.

Besides the psychological implications of a free day often turning

into a weekend-long binge fest, physically I get very bloated,

headachy, and extremely hungry the next day. I tend toward

hypoglycemia, and I'm definitely a carb addict.

I've noticed over and over again that my progress slows to a crawl or

halts completely if I go hog wild on my free days. I'm very envious

of all you ladies out there who can pig out once a week and still see

results. Only in my wildest dreams!

Dani

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/3/2006 7:19:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, marga132003@... writes:

2 weeks out of THR and I feel lousy, both phsyically and emotionally. I am in such pain I want to scream. I am beginning to feel

Hang in there! I was in a lot of pain 2 weeks after also.....I turned a corner at 3 weeks and then again at 5 weeks.....the pain was noticibly less.....I'm 6 weeks afternow and I still have pain when doing PT, and a lot of achiness all the time, but they tell me it will getbetter....I'm starting to actually believe the Drs when they said 3 month recovery! Maybe they really mean it!

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

You had major surgery 2 weeks ago! I had a TKR and at 2 weeks I asked

myself why the heck I got the surgery. Hang in there it will get

better. It was 5 weeks before I felt better than I did before my

surgery. Now I have absolutely no regrets about getting it done.

Did you tell your doctor about the numb fingers? Have you ever been

told that you have arthritis in your spine? or degenerative disc

disease? You might have a pinched nerve in your spine, shoulder or

elbow or it could be a sign of something more serious like a mild

stroke. You should get it checked out.

Carol, RTKR, August 1, 2006

>

> I am 2 weeks out of THR and I feel lousy, both phsyically and

> emotionally. I am in such pain I want to scream. I am beginning to feel

> that I made a wrong choice because at least before I was in pain but al

> least I didn't have the restrictions I have now. I feel lonely and

> isolated. You see, I was always the one who helped everyone else. When

> my MIL had cancer, Iwas the one who brought her to chemo and when my

> mother was sick, I was the one who helped her out. Now, all I do is sit

> and look at the walls. Now a new thing has popped up. The fingers on my

> left hand are numb and no matter what I do I can't get sensations into

> them. What the heck is that about? It seems like every day is one of

> frustration and pain. What do I do about it? I am ready to cry. I am

> sorry if this is boring everyone but I have nobody else. Everyone I try

> to talk to says it's going to be OK. Just relax. Enjoy the time off.

> Think of it as a vacation. Believe me, This is no vacation! Margaret

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret.

I hope you are feeling a little better now. Every day will be a

little better than the day before. But you are right it can be very

depressing to hurt so much when you were told to enjoy your

vacation.

My hand was giving me the same problem you are dealing with. Are

you using a walker and leaning on that wrist (a rhetorical question....we

all are) That is what may be causing your numb hand. Do

tell your doctor or PT see if they have any ideas as to how to handle

that problem. Do not worry so about it thought, it is something

that can and does happen and will be better when you are not putting so

much stress on your wrist using that walker (exploitive deleted)

As Susie always says.....Have a good day.

Larry

At 06:17 AM 10/3/2006, you wrote:

I am 2 weeks out of THR and I

feel lousy, both phsyically and

emotionally. I am in such pain I want to scream. I am beginning to feel

that I made a wrong choice because at least before I was in pain but al

least I didn't have the restrictions I have now. I feel lonely and

isolated. You see, I was always the one who helped everyone else. When

my MIL had cancer, Iwas the one who brought her to chemo and when my

mother was sick, I was the one who helped her out. Now, all I do is sit

and look at the walls. Now a new thing has popped up. The fingers on my

left hand are numb and no matter what I do I can't get sensations into

them. What the heck is that about? It seems like every day is one of

frustration and pain. What do I do about it? I am ready to cry. I am

sorry if this is boring everyone but I have nobody else. Everyone I try

to talk to says it's going to be OK. Just relax. Enjoy the time off.

Think of it as a vacation. Believe me, This is no vacation!

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Margaret,

It is really common to experience depression post surgery too. I had a lot

of trouble with that early on. I am nearly 4 months post op now and I still

have some trouble emotionally. I get tired very easily and that wears on

me. It bothers me that I cant do all the stuff that I did before. It is

getting better for me every day and it will for you too. Just hang in

there.

-colleen

What the heck is wrong with me?

I am 2 weeks out of THR and I feel lousy, both phsyically and

emotionally. I am in such pain I want to scream. I am beginning to feel

that I made a wrong choice because at least before I was in pain but al

least I didn't have the restrictions I have now. I feel lonely and

isolated. You see, I was always the one who helped everyone else. When

my MIL had cancer, Iwas the one who brought her to chemo and when my

mother was sick, I was the one who helped her out. Now, all I do is sit

and look at the walls. Now a new thing has popped up. The fingers on my

left hand are numb and no matter what I do I can't get sensations into

them. What the heck is that about? It seems like every day is one of

frustration and pain. What do I do about it? I am ready to cry. I am

sorry if this is boring everyone but I have nobody else. Everyone I try

to talk to says it's going to be OK. Just relax. Enjoy the time off.

Think of it as a vacation. Believe me, This is no vacation! Margaret

[Guest guest]

Frustration, pain, high stress, feeling dependent, loss of blood.

Yep, you can be on an endorphine high, or feel lousy.

If you're not controlling the pain call the doctor.

I was interested in the fingers of one hand being numb. I have pins and

needles in one hand every morning since my last op, and that has been 2

years.

Hope things are easier this morning.

Take care of yourself.

Aussie Margaret

RTHR 1990 revised 2004

What the heck is wrong with me?

|I am 2 weeks out of THR and I feel lousy, both phsyically and

| emotionally. I am in such pain I want to scream. I am beginning to feel

| that I made a wrong choice because at least before I was in pain but al

| least I didn't have the restrictions I have now. I feel lonely and

| isolated. You see, I was always the one who helped everyone else. When

| my MIL had cancer, Iwas the one who brought her to chemo and when my

| mother was sick, I was the one who helped her out. Now, all I do is sit

| and look at the walls. Now a new thing has popped up. The fingers on my

| left hand are numb and no matter what I do I can't get sensations into

| them. What the heck is that about? It seems like every day is one of

| frustration and pain. What do I do about it? I am ready to cry. I am

| sorry if this is boring everyone but I have nobody else. Everyone I try

| to talk to says it's going to be OK. Just relax. Enjoy the time off.

| Think of it as a vacation. Believe me, This is no vacation! Margaret

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[Guest guest]

my fingers were going numb and i had carpol tunnel syndromMargaret <zztinau@...> wrote: Frustration, pain, high stress, feeling dependent, loss of blood.Yep, you can be on an endorphine high, or feel lousy.If you're not controlling the pain call the doctor.I was interested in the fingers of one hand being numb. I have pins and needles in one hand every morning since my last op, and that has been 2 years.Hope things are easier this morning.Take care of yourself.Aussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004 What the heck is wrong with me?|I am 2 weeks out of THR and I

feel lousy, both phsyically and| emotionally. I am in such pain I want to scream. I am beginning to feel| that I made a wrong choice because at least before I was in pain but al| least I didn't have the restrictions I have now. I feel lonely and| isolated. You see, I was always the one who helped everyone else. When| my MIL had cancer, Iwas the one who brought her to chemo and when my| mother was sick, I was the one who helped her out. Now, all I do is sit| and look at the walls. Now a new thing has popped up. The fingers on my| left hand are numb and no matter what I do I can't get sensations into| them. What the heck is that about? It seems like every day is one of| frustration and pain. What do I do about it? I am ready to cry. I am| sorry if this is boring everyone but I have nobody else. Everyone I try| to talk to says it's going to be OK. Just relax. Enjoy the time off.| Think of it as a vacation. Believe me, This

is no vacation! MargaretSend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.

[Guest guest]

Margie,

I know how you feel. It is hard to get doctors to listen and

prescribe pain meds. Also there just does not seem to be a perfect

pain med out there. I had left TKR 8/1/2006 and have not slept a

good night since. I give up by 4AM every night now. Take Lunesta as

sleep aid, vicodin 4 times during the night for pain but the pain

always trumps the vicodin. I have arthrofibrosis post TKR and am

waiting to be refered to an " expert " they tell me.

Its a shame we have pain as so many have pain free proceedures. As

others have suggested, call your doctor and get their attention

regarding your pain and suffering. If you have a FAX machine, fax

the doctor a short note about it. They tend to respond when it is in

writting.

Al Welch

>

> I am 2 weeks out of THR and I feel lousy, both phsyically and

> emotionally. I am in such pain I want to scream. I am beginning to

feel

> that I made a wrong choice because at least before I was in pain

but al

> least I didn't have the restrictions I have now. I feel lonely and

> isolated. You see, I was always the one who helped everyone else.

When

> my MIL had cancer, Iwas the one who brought her to chemo and when

my

> mother was sick, I was the one who helped her out. Now, all I do is

sit

> and look at the walls. Now a new thing has popped up. The fingers

on my

> left hand are numb and no matter what I do I can't get sensations

into

> them. What the heck is that about? It seems like every day is one

of

> frustration and pain. What do I do about it? I am ready to cry. I

am

> sorry if this is boring everyone but I have nobody else. Everyone I

try

> to talk to says it's going to be OK. Just relax. Enjoy the time

off.

> Think of it as a vacation. Believe me, This is no vacation! Margaret

>