Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Now, Dr. Freeman, just to be fair the TAOS forms are tools for 'outcomes'. Period. That is all it is, and these particular ones are patient driven. Many insurance companies now require TAOS forms to be filled out in order for a PT to get paid. That was all I was saying. We are being headed in the same situation and it is something now that we can do to start laying the foundations for our 'validity', for lack of a better word. We have taken the power for seeking common language and sorely needed documentation for our profession. The secondary benefit as I see it is for insurance reimbursement. So figure out the the not nots and the truisms for that. That. sharron fuchs dc Re: Re: Coupons Willard, There you go again! Why do you insist on exaggerating EVERYTHING! The MD's used the same logic on us 10 years ago..that we had no scientific validation..etc. AND the OBCE is NOT making rules to require advanced validation of everything. Good god man get off it! Colwell.DC Re: Coupons>>> I have to play devil's advocate here. It seems strange to embrace> the great efforts of Vern who has implemented free chiro care at the> capitol, and at the same time thrash the use of coupons which> introduce chiro care to the public at a reduced fee... somewhat of a> conflict there?> I support anything that is done with professionalism and taste which> helps educate the public on the values of chiropractic care. I agree> with Carl that "we have to do what we can." Most people have no> value for our services to begin with so using a coupon to get them> into the office so they can be educated properly on the value of our> care is a good thing.> Jamey Dyson, D.C.>> > >> > >> > > Docs:> > >> > > I agree with that the coupons diminish our credibility in> the> > > healthcare arena. However, they are effective to some degree> because I> > > have occasionally had patients go to another D.C. surreptitiously> to> > > obtain a free exam, Insight 7000 scan, etc., while under my care.> They> > > are usually grocery coupon-clippers as well and rarely follow> through> > > with the care indicated by the results of the "free" or> discounted> > > evaluation.> > >> > > In my opinion, coupons and discounts are feeble attempts to> compensate> > > for deficits in patient education.> > >> > > Lyndon McGill, D.C.> > > Salem, Oregon> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Willard, I completely agree with you re: your comment to me below. The 'segregation / discrimination' issues must be addressed. I have to punt to Vern for input on the hows for achieving of abolishment of those wrongs. sharron fuchs dc Re: Re: Coupons Willard, There you go again! Why do you insist on exaggerating EVERYTHING! The MD's used the same logic on us 10 years ago..that we had no scientific validation..etc. AND the OBCE is NOT making rules to require advanced validation of everything. Good god man get off it! Colwell.DC Re: Coupons>>> I have to play devil's advocate here. It seems strange to embrace> the great efforts of Vern who has implemented free chiro care at the> capitol, and at the same time thrash the use of coupons which> introduce chiro care to the public at a reduced fee... somewhat of a> conflict there?> I support anything that is done with professionalism and taste which> helps educate the public on the values of chiropractic care. I agree> with Carl that "we have to do what we can." Most people have no> value for our services to begin with so using a coupon to get them> into the office so they can be educated properly on the value of our> care is a good thing.> Jamey Dyson, D.C.>> > >> > >> > > Docs:> > >> > > I agree with that the coupons diminish our credibility in> the> > > healthcare arena. However, they are effective to some degree> because I> > > have occasionally had patients go to another D.C. surreptitiously> to> > > obtain a free exam, Insight 7000 scan, etc., while under my care.> They> > > are usually grocery coupon-clippers as well and rarely follow> through> > > with the care indicated by the results of the "free" or> discounted> > > evaluation.> > >> > > In my opinion, coupons and discounts are feeble attempts to> compensate> > > for deficits in patient education.> > >> > > Lyndon McGill, D.C.> > > Salem, Oregon> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 All y'all I have had the best constitutional firm in Portland look at this issue about 18 months ago. There are problems with reversing the discrimination that exists primarily because the Feds give the states legislative bodies way latitude in lawmaking. There is case law in Philadelphia and also here in Oregon that gave us a slim to none chance of overturning WC law. Currently I am having them research again as Nurses...did I hear that correctly....nurses...... get attending physician status for 90... was that NINETY.... days in WC as of last session !!! Now why would nurses be able to attain 90 days and we cannot. So we shall see if there is now evidence sufficient to show the pattern of discrimination. The legislature has not been willing to work with us and I see that the only way to get around the discrimination is to get this issue in front of the robes. And the dirty rats want me to pay state income tax !!! Dr B Re: Coupons>>> I have to play devil's advocate here. It seems strange to embrace> the great efforts of Vern who has implemented free chiro care at the> capitol, and at the same time thrash the use of coupons which> introduce chiro care to the public at a reduced fee... somewhat of a> conflict there?> I support anything that is done with professionalism and taste which> helps educate the public on the values of chiropractic care. I agree> with Carl that "we have to do what we can." Most people have no> value for our services to begin with so using a coupon to get them> into the office so they can be educated properly on the value of our> care is a good thing.> Jamey Dyson, D.C.>> > >> > >> > > Docs:> > >> > > I agree with that the coupons diminish our credibility in> the> > > healthcare arena. However, they are effective to some degree> because I> > > have occasionally had patients go to another D.C. surreptitiously> to> > > obtain a free exam, Insight 7000 scan, etc., while under my care.> They> > > are usually grocery coupon-clippers as well and rarely follow> through> > > with the care indicated by the results of the "free" or> discounted> > > evaluation.> > >> > > In my opinion, coupons and discounts are feeble attempts to> compensate> > > for deficits in patient education.> > >> > > Lyndon McGill, D.C.> > > Salem, Oregon> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 ya know what lese Danno... FNP's MD's PA's and PODIATRIST's'OPTOMETRISTS get a $5000.00 tax credit for practicing in a rural area!!!!! NO DC's I have been working on this one for 8 yrs. It won't come up again untill 2007 > All y'all > > I have had the best constitutional firm in Portland look at this issue > about 18 months ago. There are problems with reversing the > discrimination that exists primarily because the Feds give the states > legislative bodies way latitude in lawmaking. There is case law in > Philadelphia and also here in Oregon that gave us a slim to none chance > of overturning WC law. > > Currently I am having them research again as Nurses...did I hear that > correctly....nurses...... get attending physician status for 90... was > that NINETY.... days in WC as of last session !!! > > Now why would nurses be able to attain 90 days and we cannot. So we > shall see if there is now evidence sufficient to show the pattern of > discrimination. The legislature has not been willing to work with us and > I see that the only way to get around the discrimination is to get this > issue in front of the robes. > > And the dirty rats want me to pay state income tax !!! > > Dr B > Re: Coupons > > > > > > > > I have to play devil's advocate here. It seems strange to > embrace the great efforts of Vern who has implemented free > chiro care at the capitol, and at the same time thrash the use > of coupons which introduce chiro care to the public at a > reduced fee... somewhat of a conflict there? > > I support anything that is done with professionalism and taste > which helps educate the public on the values of chiropractic > care. I agree with Carl that " we have to do what we can. " > Most people have no value for our services to begin with so > using a coupon to get them into the office so they can be > educated properly on the value of our care is a good thing. > > Jamey Dyson, D.C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Docs: > > > > > > > > I agree with that the coupons diminish our > credibility in > > the > > > > healthcare arena. However, they are effective to some > degree > > because I > > > > have occasionally had patients go to another D.C. > surreptitiously > > to > > > > obtain a free exam, Insight 7000 scan, etc., while under > my care. > > They > > > > are usually grocery coupon-clippers as well and rarely > follow > > through > > > > with the care indicated by the results of the " free " or > > discounted > > > > evaluation. > > > > > > > > In my opinion, coupons and discounts are feeble attempts > to > > compensate > > > > for deficits in patient education. > > > > > > > > Lyndon McGill, D.C. > > > > Salem, Oregon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 and yes I need to learn how to type and spell!!!!! > > ya know what lese Danno... FNP's MD's PA's and PODIATRIST's'OPTOMETRISTS > get a $5000.00 tax credit for practicing in a rural area!!!!! NO DC's I > have been working on this one for 8 yrs. It won't come up again untill > 2007 >> All y'all >> >> I have had the best constitutional firm in Portland look at this issue >> about 18 months ago. There are problems with reversing the >> discrimination that exists primarily because the Feds give the states >> legislative bodies way latitude in lawmaking. There is case law in >> Philadelphia and also here in Oregon that gave us a slim to none >> chance of overturning WC law. >> >> Currently I am having them research again as Nurses...did I hear that >> correctly....nurses...... get attending physician status for 90... was >> that NINETY.... days in WC as of last session !!! >> >> Now why would nurses be able to attain 90 days and we cannot. So we >> shall see if there is now evidence sufficient to show the pattern of >> discrimination. The legislature has not been willing to work with us >> and I see that the only way to get around the discrimination is to get >> this issue in front of the robes. >> >> And the dirty rats want me to pay state income tax !!! >> >> Dr B >> Re: Coupons >> >> >> > >> > >> > I have to play devil's advocate here. It seems strange to >> embrace the great efforts of Vern who has implemented free >> chiro care at the capitol, and at the same time thrash the use >> of coupons which introduce chiro care to the public at a >> reduced fee... somewhat of a conflict there? >> > I support anything that is done with professionalism and >> taste >> which helps educate the public on the values of chiropractic >> care. I agree with Carl that " we have to do what we can. " >> Most people have no value for our services to begin with so >> using a coupon to get them into the office so they can be >> educated properly on the value of our care is a good thing. >> > Jamey Dyson, D.C. >> > >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Docs: >> > > > >> > > > I agree with that the coupons diminish our >> credibility in >> > the >> > > > healthcare arena. However, they are effective to some >> degree >> > because I >> > > > have occasionally had patients go to another D.C. >> surreptitiously >> > to >> > > > obtain a free exam, Insight 7000 scan, etc., while under >> my care. >> > They >> > > > are usually grocery coupon-clippers as well and rarely >> follow >> > through >> > > > with the care indicated by the results of the " free " or >> > discounted >> > > > evaluation. >> > > > >> > > > In my opinion, coupons and discounts are feeble attempts >> to >> > compensate >> > > > for deficits in patient education. >> > > > >> > > > Lyndon McGill, D.C. >> > > > Salem, Oregon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Another issue to put on Vern's list! Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 59 Santa Clara St., Eugene, Oregon, 97404 541-689-0935 >From: " Dr. Charlie Caughlin DC " <caughlindrc@...> ><res0btan@...> >CC: <sharronf@...>, < > >Subject: Re: Re: Coupons >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:40:34 -0800 (PST) > > >ya know what lese Danno... FNP's MD's PA's and PODIATRIST's'OPTOMETRISTS >get a $5000.00 tax credit for practicing in a rural area!!!!! NO DC's I >have been working on this one for 8 yrs. It won't come up again untill >2007 > > All y'all > > > > I have had the best constitutional firm in Portland look at this issue > > about 18 months ago. There are problems with reversing the > > discrimination that exists primarily because the Feds give the states > > legislative bodies way latitude in lawmaking. There is case law in > > Philadelphia and also here in Oregon that gave us a slim to none chance > > of overturning WC law. > > > > Currently I am having them research again as Nurses...did I hear that > > correctly....nurses...... get attending physician status for 90... was > > that NINETY.... days in WC as of last session !!! > > > > Now why would nurses be able to attain 90 days and we cannot. So we > > shall see if there is now evidence sufficient to show the pattern of > > discrimination. The legislature has not been willing to work with us and > > I see that the only way to get around the discrimination is to get this > > issue in front of the robes. > > > > And the dirty rats want me to pay state income tax !!! > > > > Dr B > > Re: Coupons > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to play devil's advocate here. It seems strange to > > embrace the great efforts of Vern who has implemented free > > chiro care at the capitol, and at the same time thrash the use > > of coupons which introduce chiro care to the public at a > > reduced fee... somewhat of a conflict there? > > > I support anything that is done with professionalism and taste > > which helps educate the public on the values of chiropractic > > care. I agree with Carl that " we have to do what we can. " > > Most people have no value for our services to begin with so > > using a coupon to get them into the office so they can be > > educated properly on the value of our care is a good thing. > > > Jamey Dyson, D.C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Docs: > > > > > > > > > > I agree with that the coupons diminish our > > credibility in > > > the > > > > > healthcare arena. However, they are effective to some > > degree > > > because I > > > > > have occasionally had patients go to another D.C. > > surreptitiously > > > to > > > > > obtain a free exam, Insight 7000 scan, etc., while under > > my care. > > > They > > > > > are usually grocery coupon-clippers as well and rarely > > follow > > > through > > > > > with the care indicated by the results of the " free " or > > > discounted > > > > > evaluation. > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, coupons and discounts are feeble attempts > > to > > > compensate > > > > > for deficits in patient education. > > > > > > > > > > Lyndon McGill, D.C. > > > > > Salem, Oregon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Willard, I think in the case you describe you are experiencing discrimination. In PIP, one can only get paid for one year of treatment or until the PIP runs out. Your patient in past the one year and no matter what PIP won't pay for any further care PT or MD. Perhaps your patient has private insurance that is paying for additional care ? Perhaps their insurance doesn't cover DC care ? The MD and the PT are in the 'in crowd' and you are 'out'. If you cared to, you could have continued to treat the patient asking for full payment out of the settlement proceeds. But that is up to you and your office policy. So from my view this particular case has nothing to do with our new rule, except that the MD views chiropractic as endless care with little or no improvement after a period of time. I find it interesting that the PT would not continue care until you signed off on the plan. Were they being courteous or were they covering themselves from malpractice questions ? Time to educate that MD. Time to show the world that we have a plan of care, measuring sticks to benchmark progress and the guts to refer a patient on or declare them medically stationary. And time to end discrimination. sharron fuchs dc Re: Re: Coupons Willard, There you go again! Why do you insist on exaggerating EVERYTHING! The MD's used the same logic on us 10 years ago..that we had no scientific validation..etc. AND the OBCE is NOT making rules to require advanced validation of everything. Good god man get off it! Colwell.DC Re: Coupons>>> I have to play devil's advocate here. It seems strange to embrace> the great efforts of Vern who has implemented free chiro care at the> capitol, and at the same time thrash the use of coupons which> introduce chiro care to the public at a reduced fee... somewhat of a> conflict there?> I support anything that is done with professionalism and taste which> helps educate the public on the values of chiropractic care. I agree> with Carl that "we have to do what we can." Most people have no> value for our services to begin with so using a coupon to get them> into the office so they can be educated properly on the value of our> care is a good thing.> Jamey Dyson, D.C.>> > >> > >> > > Docs:> > >> > > I agree with that the coupons diminish our credibility in> the> > > healthcare arena. However, they are effective to some degree> because I> > > have occasionally had patients go to another D.C. surreptitiously> to> > > obtain a free exam, Insight 7000 scan, etc., while under my care.> They> > > are usually grocery coupon-clippers as well and rarely follow> through> > > with the care indicated by the results of the "free" or> discounted> > > evaluation.> > >> > > In my opinion, coupons and discounts are feeble attempts to> compensate> > > for deficits in patient education.> > >> > > Lyndon McGill, D.C.> > > Salem, Oregon> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 > Sen Ferioli already has it on his radar screen (I Hope!!!!!) besids Vern has his hands full. And according to the guidelines I think there might only be a hanfull of DC's that would fall under the guidelines. I for one would have Vern et.al. focus on issues that would beneift ALL of us. I think I can take this one on myself... I think!!! > Another issue to put on Vern's list! Sunny > > > > Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC > Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon > 59 Santa Clara St., > Eugene, Oregon, 97404 > 541-689-0935 > > > > >>From: " Dr. Charlie Caughlin DC " <caughlindrc@...> >><res0btan@...> >>CC: <sharronf@...>, < > >>Subject: Re: Re: Coupons >>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:40:34 -0800 (PST) >> >> >>ya know what lese Danno... FNP's MD's PA's and >> PODIATRIST's'OPTOMETRISTS get a $5000.00 tax credit for practicing in a >> rural area!!!!! NO DC's I have been working on this one for 8 yrs. It >> won't come up again untill 2007 >> > All y'all >> > >> > I have had the best constitutional firm in Portland look at this >> issue about 18 months ago. There are problems with reversing the >> > discrimination that exists primarily because the Feds give the >> states legislative bodies way latitude in lawmaking. There is case >> law in Philadelphia and also here in Oregon that gave us a slim to >> none chance of overturning WC law. >> > >> > Currently I am having them research again as Nurses...did I hear >> that correctly....nurses...... get attending physician status for >> 90... was that NINETY.... days in WC as of last session !!! >> > >> > Now why would nurses be able to attain 90 days and we cannot. So we >> shall see if there is now evidence sufficient to show the pattern of >> discrimination. The legislature has not been willing to work with us >> and I see that the only way to get around the discrimination is to >> get this issue in front of the robes. >> > >> > And the dirty rats want me to pay state income tax !!! >> > >> > Dr B >> > Re: Coupons >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > I have to play devil's advocate here. It seems strange to >> > embrace the great efforts of Vern who has implemented free >> > chiro care at the capitol, and at the same time thrash the use of >> coupons which introduce chiro care to the public at a >> > reduced fee... somewhat of a conflict there? >> > > I support anything that is done with professionalism and >> taste >> > which helps educate the public on the values of chiropractic >> > care. I agree with Carl that " we have to do what we can. " >> > Most people have no value for our services to begin with so >> > using a coupon to get them into the office so they can be >> > educated properly on the value of our care is a good thing. >> > > Jamey Dyson, D.C. >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Docs: >> > > > > >> > > > > I agree with that the coupons diminish our >> > credibility in >> > > the >> > > > > healthcare arena. However, they are effective to some >> > degree >> > > because I >> > > > > have occasionally had patients go to another D.C. >> > surreptitiously >> > > to >> > > > > obtain a free exam, Insight 7000 scan, etc., while >> under >> > my care. >> > > They >> > > > > are usually grocery coupon-clippers as well and rarely >> > follow >> > > through >> > > > > with the care indicated by the results of the " free " >> or >> > > discounted >> > > > > evaluation. >> > > > > >> > > > > In my opinion, coupons and discounts are feeble >> attempts >> > to >> > > compensate >> > > > > for deficits in patient education. >> > > > > >> > > > > Lyndon McGill, D.C. >> > > > > Salem, Oregon >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Thank you for your prescient, conscious, intentional, courageous, and principled response. I agree. Coupons never feel as solid and healthy as public speaking. We are doing more of it and a SMEG scanner, Posture Analyzer (which I built), and Esteb’s latest videos make it much more productive. ( E. Abrahamson, D.C.) Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com From: Christian Mathisen <cmathdc@...> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:49:19 -0700 < > Subject: Re: Coupons Hi , There are three things that have helped me build practice: Lay Lectures, Lay Lectures and Lay Lectures. Have you looked at Meetups.com to check out the multitude of groups you can speak to? Giving away the store never works. The ones who come in on " specials " leave when they have to start paying full price. That includes the HMO's (which are trying to do to health care what has happened to farmers: make all the money and make the ones who do the work {i.e. us} work harder for less and starve for what we love). I'd rather have patients who appreciate and want the services and pay a reasonable fee (according to the State of Oregon schedule that Vern was kind enough to pass along) than a multitude who don't follow recommendations, don't seek proper care don't refer and live on hamburgers. (Pay, Stay, Refer, " Avast yee coupon-lubbers " ). Christian Mathisen, D.C. 3650 S Pacific Hwy Medford, OR 97501 cmathdc@... <mailto:cmathdc%40jeffnet.org> Coupons > I have credit to spend with one of those coupon mailer companies. (Like > Val-Pak). > The lost leader idea is to have people come in for less than the normal fee > (which might be antithetical to charging for what you are worth and being > worth what you charge). > The other idea is to use this as an opportunity to teach and attract a > person who has been interested in chiropractic. This makes their first time > more attractive and the coupon makes for an inducement to action now. > > I also acknowledge that there are professional coupon clippers who come in > for whatever you have and shamelessly leave you waiting by the phone the > next Saturday nite drinking bathtub gin and eating cold pizza until Tony > Robbins comes on at 2 a.m. Telling you how you can get control of your life > with his 6 CD set and you're wondering why he is on at 2 a.m. And why it > appears to be daytime in San Diego where he is but it's dark in Portland at > the same longitude but you don't care so you order a set of CD's. > > I would also like to have a description of your past offers which worked. > i.e. Comp. exam, free x-rays, free lunch at the diner across the street, > free windshield replacement, etc. > > Lastly, I do not want to devalue chiropractic and it is disheartening to see > docs seeming to give away the store to get new patients. > > And yes, we are scheduling outside speaking which is always uplifting for > all involved. > > Thanks, > > > ( E. Abrahamson, D.C.) > Chiropractic physician > Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic > 315 Second Street > Lake Oswego, OR 97034 > 503-635-6246 > Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com > > > > > OregonDCs rules: > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated. > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Hi , There are three things that have helped me build practice: Lay Lectures, Lay Lectures and Lay Lectures. Have you looked at Meetups.com to check out the multitude of groups you can speak to? Giving away the store never works. The ones who come in on " specials " leave when they have to start paying full price. That includes the HMO's (which are trying to do to health care what has happened to farmers: make all the money and make the ones who do the work {i.e. us} work harder for less and starve for what we love). I'd rather have patients who appreciate and want the services and pay a reasonable fee (according to the State of Oregon schedule that Vern was kind enough to pass along) than a multitude who don't follow recommendations, don't seek proper care don't refer and live on hamburgers. (Pay, Stay, Refer, " Avast yee coupon-lubbers " ). Christian Mathisen, D.C. 3650 S Pacific Hwy Medford, OR 97501 cmathdc@... Coupons > I have credit to spend with one of those coupon mailer companies. (Like > Val-Pak). > The lost leader idea is to have people come in for less than the normal fee > (which might be antithetical to charging for what you are worth and being > worth what you charge). > The other idea is to use this as an opportunity to teach and attract a > person who has been interested in chiropractic. This makes their first time > more attractive and the coupon makes for an inducement to action now. > > I also acknowledge that there are professional coupon clippers who come in > for whatever you have and shamelessly leave you waiting by the phone the > next Saturday nite drinking bathtub gin and eating cold pizza until Tony > Robbins comes on at 2 a.m. Telling you how you can get control of your life > with his 6 CD set and you're wondering why he is on at 2 a.m. And why it > appears to be daytime in San Diego where he is but it's dark in Portland at > the same longitude but you don't care so you order a set of CD's. > > I would also like to have a description of your past offers which worked. > i.e. Comp. exam, free x-rays, free lunch at the diner across the street, > free windshield replacement, etc. > > Lastly, I do not want to devalue chiropractic and it is disheartening to see > docs seeming to give away the store to get new patients. > > And yes, we are scheduling outside speaking which is always uplifting for > all involved. > > Thanks, > > > ( E. Abrahamson, D.C.) > Chiropractic physician > Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic > 315 Second Street > Lake Oswego, OR 97034 > 503-635-6246 > Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com > > > > > OregonDCs rules: > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated. > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Is the referred to State of Oregon fee schedule somewhere to be found on the internet? I have not seen it. Thanks! Rod ,DC Coupons> I have credit to spend with one of those coupon mailer companies. (Like> Val-Pak).> The lost leader idea is to have people come in for less than the normalfee> (which might be antithetical to charging for what you are worth and being> worth what you charge).> The other idea is to use this as an opportunity to teach and attract a> person who has been interested in chiropractic. This makes their firsttime> more attractive and the coupon makes for an inducement to action now.>> I also acknowledge that there are professional coupon clippers who come in> for whatever you have and shamelessly leave you waiting by the phone the> next Saturday nite drinking bathtub gin and eating cold pizza until Tony> Robbins comes on at 2 a.m. Telling you how you can get control of yourlife> with his 6 CD set and you're wondering why he is on at 2 a.m. And why it> appears to be daytime in San Diego where he is but it's dark in Portlandat> the same longitude but you don't care so you order a set of CD's.>> I would also like to have a description of your past offers which worked.> i.e. Comp. exam, free x-rays, free lunch at the diner across the street,> free windshield replacement, etc.>> Lastly, I do not want to devalue chiropractic and it is disheartening tosee> docs seeming to give away the store to get new patients.>> And yes, we are scheduling outside speaking which is always uplifting for> all involved.>> Thanks,>> > ( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)> Chiropractic physician> Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic> 315 Second Street> Lake Oswego, OR 97034> 503-635-6246> Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com>>>>> OregonDCs rules:> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is tofoster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listservemembers will be tolerated.> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere.However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward,or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without hisor her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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