Re: Has anyone had a knee manipulation?

October 14, 2003

At 10/15/2003, you wrote:

And another question:

Does anyone's knee feel like it's going

to " buckle " when they walk? Sometimes mine just feels

weird, and

like it won't support me. (His answer: If it buckles...you

might

fall down...like I need another broken wrist!!!!)

I get that feeling, it sometimes feels as if it is a broken soda

straw. I am 10 weeks post op and trying to walk a mile and a half

every other day.

I was off the walker by the middle of the second week and mostly off the

crutches after 2 weeks and off PT after three weeks when flex was over

125 degrees. Three weeks ago I went for a couple of bike rides for

about 5 miles total. That hurt the muscle and it is just now

getting where I am thinking of a bike ride tomorrow.

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Don

Bowen

donb@...

Valley Center, CA

http://www.braingarage.com

October 14, 2003

Well hi Dan How old are you it sounds like your 25 or 30 I had mine done at 40 and I had to go back and have it manipulated and it was hard work to get it to work again.It was never work the same as my own knee, never. It's never as good as the real one. My foot was are messed up also because I walked so crocked I had to physical therapy on that.

Don Bowen <donb@...> wrote:

At 10/15/2003, you wrote:

And another question: Does anyone's knee feel like it's going to "buckle" when they walk? Sometimes mine just feels weird, and like it won't support me. (His answer: If it buckles...you might fall down...like I need another broken wrist!!!!)I get that feeling, it sometimes feels as if it is a broken soda straw. I am 10 weeks post op and trying to walk a mile and a half every other day.I was off the walker by the middle of the second week and mostly off the crutches after 2 weeks and off PT after three weeks when flex was over 125 degrees. Three weeks ago I went for a couple of bike rides for about 5 miles total. That hurt the muscle and it is just now getting where I am thinking of a bike ride tomorrow.

Awl Knotted Up - Custom woodworking

Don Bowen donb@...

Valley Center, CAhttp://www.braingarage.com

October 14, 2003

Hi

Well, first I would probably get a new doctor. You have been through enough without him talking to you like that. I had a manipulation because of scar tissue, it was from nothing I did. When you have sugary like that, scar tissue builds up and then they have to go in and break it up That's what I was told when they want to do that.

rorabaughj <rorabaughj@...> wrote:

Hi all:Went to my surgeon today for my 6 week check-up, and feel lower than dirt! I had posted before that I was concerned with my lack of bending (I'm the one who broke her wrist too!) and was worried about what he would say/do.Well, after blasting me for still being on the walker...and blasting me for having home P/T...he told me that he would have to do a "manipulation" on my knee, and in essence, I'd better not blow it this time! He then breezed out of the room, and left it to his PA to explain the procedure to me. Doesn't sound like much fun. :-(He also told me that this was 'NOT NEGOTIABLE' and that the knee had bent to 150 degrees after surgery. I really got the impression that he was mad at me for ruining his masterpiece! Sheesh!Anyway, here's my question: Has anyone had

this procedure? What can I expect?And another question: Does anyone's knee feel like it's going to "buckle" when they walk? Sometimes mine just feels weird, and like it won't support me. (His answer: If it buckles...you might fall down...like I need another broken wrist!!!!)Thanks in advance! R

October 14, 2003

At 10/14/2003, you wrote:

>Well hi Dan How old are you it sounds like your 25 or 30 I had mine

>done at 40 and I had to go back and have it manipulated and it was hard

>work to get it to work again.It was never work the same as my own knee,

>never. It's never as good as the real one. My foot was are messed up also

>because I walked so crocked I had to physical therapy on that.

I am 57. My current problem is the pain that never seems to go away.

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Don Bowen donb@...

Valley Center, CA

http://www.braingarage.com

October 14, 2003

Hi ,

You need to see another doctor. I had that same problem with a doctor

that did my third hip replacement. I left his office and never went back.

He acted as if he was God and how dare I question him.

My prayers are with you,

" Don't hold to anger, hurt or pain. They steal your energy and keep you from

love. " -- Leo Buscaglia

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Has anyone had a knee manipulation?

> Hi all:

>

> Went to my surgeon today for my 6 week check-up, and feel lower than

> dirt! I had posted before that I was concerned with my lack of

> bending (I'm the one who broke her wrist too!) and was worried about

> what he would say/do.

>

> Well, after blasting me for still being on the walker...and blasting

> me for having home P/T...he told me that he would have to do

> a " manipulation " on my knee, and in essence, I'd better not blow it

> this time! He then breezed out of the room, and left it to his PA

> to explain the procedure to me. Doesn't sound like much fun. :-(

>

> He also told me that this was 'NOT NEGOTIABLE' and that the knee had

> bent to 150 degrees after surgery. I really got the impression that

> he was mad at me for ruining his masterpiece! Sheesh!

>

> Anyway, here's my question: Has anyone had this procedure? What

> can I expect?

>

> And another question: Does anyone's knee feel like it's going

> to " buckle " when they walk? Sometimes mine just feels weird, and

> like it won't support me. (His answer: If it buckles...you might

> fall down...like I need another broken wrist!!!!)

>

> Thanks in advance!

> R

>

October 14, 2003

*****scar tissue builds up and then they have to go in and break it up *****

Hi .. I am only new to all this and don't know anyone who has had TKR personally.. Can you briefly explain what you mean by go in and break it up.. Several weeks ago I was told that had the amount of flexion improved ( I was only about 65 degrees at the time) that they "may" put me back in hospital and while under anaesthetic they would "give the knee one hell of a crunch".. Is that what you are saying..???? I am now getting 90 degrees..

Graham....

October 15, 2003

Hi Graham

That it, when you have surgery like this, scar tissue builds up and make it hard to bend so they go in under an anesthetic and break it up. It would be to painful to do it when your awake, then it will be alot easier when your back in therapy. It doesn't cause any more pain, it just helps you to get your range of motion. When they told me I had to do that, I thought, oh no, more pain, but it really helped with the therapy. It move really fast after that. I was going no where and it really helped getting to 90 degrees. I hope this helps. Let me know if I can tell you more.

*****scar tissue builds up and then they have to go in and break it up *****

Hi .. I am only new to all this and don't know anyone who has had TKR personally.. Can you briefly explain what you mean by go in and break it up.. Several weeks ago I was told that had the amount of flexion improved ( I was only about 65 degrees at the time) that they "may" put me back in hospital and while under anaesthetic they would "give the knee one hell of a crunch".. Is that what you are saying..???? I am now getting 90 degrees..

Graham....

October 15, 2003

Hello Dan

I am also 57 and am having my second Knee replacement. The maipulation really hepled Don Bowen <donb@...> wrote:

At 10/14/2003, you wrote:>Well hi Dan How old are you it sounds like your 25 or 30 I had mine >done at 40 and I had to go back and have it manipulated and it was hard >work to get it to work again.It was never work the same as my own knee, >never. It's never as good as the real one. My foot was are messed up also >because I walked so crocked I had to physical therapy on that.I am 57. My current problem is the pain that never seems to go away.Awl Knotted Up - Custom woodworkingDon Bowen donb@...Valley Center, CAhttp://www.braingarage.com

October 15, 2003

I'm not sure I like Graham's " give the knee one hell of a crunch " ...

but I do like hearing that it worked for you! :-) It helps to hear

from someone who's had it done...and lived to talk about it!

I can't change doctors...he's supposed to be the best in town, and

is the head of the ortho teaching dept. in the med school. He's a

great surgeon...just no people skills!

Another thing...I called his office today and spoke with his nurse.

Since my right wrist is broken, and my left knee is TKR, I asked her

just exactly HOW was I supposed to use a cane??? (My P/T had held

off since my wrist was " no weight bearing " per my OTHER doctor, and

you're supposed to use the cane on the opposite side of the body

from the affected leg.) She conceded that it might be a bit hard,

but that the doctor had assumed that since I had a splint on, that I

was healed well enough to use it. She said that I could continue to

use the walker until given the all clear by my other doc.

I feel like once I get the manipulation, things should get better.

My wrist should be healed by then, and then there won't be anything

holding me back! (I hope!)

Thanks,

> Hi Graham

> That it, when you have surgery like this, scar tissue builds up

and make it hard to bend so they go in under an anesthetic and break

it up. It would be to painful to do it when your awake, then it will

be alot easier when your back in therapy. It doesn't cause any more

pain, it just helps you to get your range of motion. When they told

me I had to do that, I thought, oh no, more pain, but it really

helped with the therapy. It move really fast after that. I was going

no where and it really helped getting to 90 degrees. I hope this

helps. Let me know if I can tell you more.

>

> *****scar tissue builds up and then they have to go in and break

it up *****

>

> Hi .. I am only new to all this and don't know anyone who

has had TKR personally.. Can you briefly explain what you mean by go

in and break it up.. Several weeks ago I was told that had the

amount of flexion improved ( I was only about 65 degrees at the

time) that they " may " put me back in hospital and while under

anaesthetic they would " give the knee one hell of a crunch " .. Is

that what you are saying..???? I am now getting 90 degrees..

>

> Graham....

>

October 17, 2003

*****I'm not sure I like Graham's "give the knee one hell of a crunch"*****

Hi .. I am sorry if I misled you mate.. They didn't actually do that but at the time when my knee was only getting around the 60-65 degrees it was discussed as a possibility.. It sure was a good motivational on their part...lol.. I am now at 90 degrees.. Yeaaaaaaaaaa....

My recovery was made slower than normal because about 14 years ago they cut my leg in half just below the knee and then proceeded to cut a wedge off both of the bone ends and reset the leg to straighten it and put off a TKR because of my age. To young to have it done they said.. Anyway what they did, worked but when the recent TKR was done they also had to make another incision on the side of the knee to remove staples that were put in place previously.. They told me it was essentially two ops at the same time.. I just hope I keep improving so I can get on with my second TKR..

After reading all the posts from the group it is obvious there is an enormous difference with the techniques being used in our countries.. Take care all..

Graham..

October 17, 2003

Hi .. Thank you so much for your reply.. I am sure my bro in law will be most interested in what you wrote because he had both knees replaced at the same time and both were a complete failure but that was his own fault.. He is a very successful race horse trainer but unfortunately is of the opinion that no one can do "his job" as well as he can and he is probably right but because of his stubbornness and determination not to do as he was told the OP was as I said a failure.. He has been told that he needs the procedure that you describe but now says he does not want to go through all "that pain" again... I hope your e-mail will convince him otherwise.. Thanks again mate.. I hope all is well with you..

Graham.....

October 17, 2003

Hi,

They need to be sure that you are placed on a knee CPM afterwards to

minimize scarring limitations. This is a device that moves your knee for

you safely and you won't have that problem. (CPM stands for continuous