Re: Manipulation under anesthesia HIP/SCAR TISSUE/Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi Susie,

I think they have put you and me in the " too hard " basket.

I'm really not sure that a manipulation would work for a hip. My

understanding is that manipulation is basically stretching the parts of the

knee that the patient has ceased to properly use. Doing it under anesthetic

allows those parts to be given a good stretch so the patient won't have so

much pain and can start using it again. Usually the biggest problem with

the hip is making sure people don't move it too far while it is healing.

Risk of dislocation in the early stages is quite high. If you sit and walk

you will end up taking the hip through quite a range. You do that many

times a day.

With knees people can protect them a bit and end up not bending it very much

at all. You can't live very well if you don't bend your hip, but you could

survive without bending your knee. The less you move it, the less you can

move it, and the more difficult it gets to be able to use it next time.

In Australia they don't give physio for hips, aside from initial

mobilisation in hospital, but for knees they give a lot of physio. Now I

have a personal opinion about that - I think hips need more physio than they

get here, but it shows the difference.

Susie, I'm wondering if they left us too long without listening to us, and

now we have chronic pain. I'm wondering if they had listened earlier,

really listened, our problems might have been able to be fixed.

The trouble is that when a doctor makes a mistake, it is not them that has

to live with the mistake, but us.

I'm a bit sore and cranky. I took some pain killers last night, but they

disrupt my sleep and don't kill the pain. So now I have spent most of the

night tossing and turning, and this morning feel like " sh** " . By 4 am I

had had enough and got up.

Have a good day everyone

Aussie Margaret

RTHR 1990 revised 2004

Re: Manipulation under anesthesia

HIP/SCAR TISSUE/Margaret and other hippies?

| Hi Susie,

|

| I'm sorry, I can't answer your question. I know a bit about knees since I

had those replaced. And I'm just learning about the hips since one day, I

don't want too think when :-), those have to go. But perhaps Margaret and

the other " hippies " can give you some advice. I'll put a notation in the

subject line of this e-mail to see if we can get you an answer.

|

| One thing I do know, Susie, if you are in pain, you can seek a second

opinion from a doctor who will communicate well with you. I remember you

said your doctor doesn't make the effort to understand you, and that

concerns me. Perhaps there is relief for you, whether it is a revision or

pain management, if you find the right doctor.

|

| My wish for you in 2007 is that there is a surgeon or pain managment

specialist near you in Gurnee, Illinois, who can help you feel better. My

wish for me is that I can count my blessings and have an upbeat attitude

like yours, Susie.

|

| Warm regards,

| Donna

|

|

|

| Happy new year to you!

|

|

|

| Suzanne Snyder <juneflower63@...> wrote:

| Hi Donna,

| I had a Hip replacement done in April it will be seven years I have bad

scar tissures I was wondering can do the Manipulation for you Hip ? Have a

nice day :-)

| Susie

|

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[Guest guest]

The only type of manipulation that really helped me after my last hip surgery was to lay on my unaffected side w/ a towel rolled up and placed just below the last rib to stretch out the affected side as I had favored the bad side so much I had shortened that side of my torso because I stood like a flamingo w/ the hip elevated so that my hips weren't level. My legs were actually the same length but I walked like someone whose legs were not the same length. It makes for a lot more comfort when standing if you can stretch out that shortened side. You can tell if you have this problem by standing in front of full length mirror in underwear or a bathing suit. If you have the same situation I did your waist will indent more on one side than the other. I noticed this when swimming for PT after my first two hip replacements . . . and noticed the same situation in an exhibit at the sonian after a broken leg was poorly set. Hope this makes sense and helps someone. PatI'm really not sure that a manipulation would work for a hip.

[Guest guest]

margaret, what did you mean by " if you sit and walk you will take the hip

through quite a range " - I haven't been told not to sit or walk and I'm

doing lots of both, should I not be? Now you have got me worried.

ann

Re: Manipulation under anesthesia

> HIP/SCAR TISSUE/Margaret and other hippies?

>

>

> | Hi Susie,

> |

> | I'm sorry, I can't answer your question. I know a bit about knees since

> I

> had those replaced. And I'm just learning about the hips since one day, I

> don't want too think when :-), those have to go. But perhaps Margaret and

> the other " hippies " can give you some advice. I'll put a notation in the

> subject line of this e-mail to see if we can get you an answer.

> |

> | One thing I do know, Susie, if you are in pain, you can seek a second

> opinion from a doctor who will communicate well with you. I remember you

> said your doctor doesn't make the effort to understand you, and that

> concerns me. Perhaps there is relief for you, whether it is a revision or

> pain management, if you find the right doctor.

> |

> | My wish for you in 2007 is that there is a surgeon or pain managment

> specialist near you in Gurnee, Illinois, who can help you feel better. My

> wish for me is that I can count my blessings and have an upbeat attitude

> like yours, Susie.

> |

> | Warm regards,

> | Donna

> |

> |

> |

> | Happy new year to you!

> |

> |

> |

> | Suzanne Snyder <juneflower63@...> wrote:

> | Hi Donna,

> | I had a Hip replacement done in April it will be seven years I have bad

> scar tissures I was wondering can do the Manipulation for you Hip ? Have a

> nice day :-)

> | Susie

> |

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret, I agree with you what you wrote in this e-mail did you ever hear of pain Management ? I think I might go to one of these Dr's and see if they can help me I have a niece she lives in Florida and she's a Nurse she had a Ankle replacement well they did something to the nerve when they operated on her she has a hard time walking and is in a lot of pain and has to use a cane I think she had two operation already . I hope they can help her the pain management Dr .I guess I was lucky it didn't get to me until I was in late 40's went to all kinds of Dr because I didn't have the right insurance they would say it was the veins in my legs I couldn't get x-rays until I was on SSI . I used to walked all the time until I couldn't walked anymore now I walked with my on wheels that the Nice's thing they came out with it has a seat you can

rest on and it opens to put stuff inside of it , I don't know if I told you I was taking Celebrex until my Insurance wanted a note and phone call from my regular Dr he said I had to pay $10.00 for him to do these things their was other paper work to do so I told him to give me a differant medicine so I'm taking Salsalate 500mg three times a day now sometimes it seems to work and other days I don't feel any better . I think Hips need more Physio also I think what happen to me I went to a Nursing home and sat in a wheel chair for three weeks because they made you it was funny these two Lady's where fighting in their wheel chairs and said I was a witness I just left and didn't say anything .Well I hope your feeling betting :-) Have a nice day :-)

Susie Margaret <zztinau@...> wrote: Hi Susie,I think they have put you and me in the "too hard" basket.I'm really not sure that a manipulation would work for a hip. My understanding is that manipulation is basically stretching the parts of the knee that the patient has ceased to properly use. Doing it under anesthetic allows those parts to be given a good stretch so the patient won't have so much pain and can start using it again. Usually the biggest problem with the hip is making sure people don't move it too far while it is healing. Risk of dislocation

in the early stages is quite high. If you sit and walk you will end up taking the hip through quite a range. You do that many times a day.With knees people can protect them a bit and end up not bending it very much at all. You can't live very well if you don't bend your hip, but you could survive without bending your knee. The less you move it, the less you can move it, and the more difficult it gets to be able to use it next time.In Australia they don't give physio for hips, aside from initial mobilisation in hospital, but for knees they give a lot of physio. Now I have a personal opinion about that - I think hips need more physio than they get here, but it shows the difference.Susie, I'm wondering if they left us too long without listening to us, and now we have chronic pain. I'm wondering if they had listened earlier, really listened, our problems might have been able to be fixed.The trouble is that

when a doctor makes a mistake, it is not them that has to live with the mistake, but us.I'm a bit sore and cranky. I took some pain killers last night, but they disrupt my sleep and don't kill the pain. So now I have spent most of the night tossing and turning, and this morning feel like "sh**" . By 4 am I had had enough and got up.Have a good day everyoneAussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004 Re: Manipulation under anesthesia HIP/SCAR TISSUE/Margaret and other hippies?| Hi Susie,|| I'm sorry, I can't answer your question. I know a bit about knees since I had those replaced. And I'm just learning about the hips since one day, I don't want too think when :-), those have to go. But

perhaps Margaret and the other "hippies" can give you some advice. I'll put a notation in the subject line of this e-mail to see if we can get you an answer.|| One thing I do know, Susie, if you are in pain, you can seek a second opinion from a doctor who will communicate well with you. I remember you said your doctor doesn't make the effort to understand you, and that concerns me. Perhaps there is relief for you, whether it is a revision or pain management, if you find the right doctor.|| My wish for you in 2007 is that there is a surgeon or pain managment specialist near you in Gurnee, Illinois, who can help you feel better. My wish for me is that I can count my blessings and have an upbeat attitude like yours, Susie.|| Warm regards,| Donna|||| Happy new year to you!|||| Suzanne Snyder wrote:| Hi Donna,| I had a Hip replacement done in April

it will be seven years I have bad scar tissures I was wondering can do the Manipulation for you Hip ? Have a nice day :-)| Susie| Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.

[Guest guest]

Actually Susie, I think pain management might be a good idea. At least some

of those pain management doctors give people hints on how to relax a little

when in pain. I am waiting for an appointment for one myself.

Hugs

Aussie Margaret

RTHR 1990 revised 2004

Re: Manipulation under anesthesia

HIP/SCAR TISSUE/Susie

| Hi Margaret,

| I agree with you what you wrote in this e-mail did you ever hear of pain

Management ? I think I might go to one of these Dr's and see if they can

help me I have a niece she lives in Florida and she's a Nurse she had a

Ankle replacement well they did something to the nerve when they

operated on her she has a hard time walking and is in a lot of pain and has

to use a cane I think she had two operation already . I hope they can help

her the pain management Dr .I guess I was lucky it didn't get to me until I

was in late 40's went to all kinds of Dr because I didn't have the right

insurance they would say it was the veins in my legs I couldn't get x-rays

until I was on SSI . I used to walked all the time until I couldn't walked

anymore now I walked with my on wheels that the Nice's thing they

came out with it has a seat you can rest on and it opens to put stuff inside

of it , I don't know if I told you I was taking Celebrex until my Insurance

wanted a note and

| phone call from my regular Dr he said I had to pay $10.00 for him to do

these things their was other paper work to do so I told him to give me a

differant medicine so I'm taking Salsalate 500mg three times a day now

sometimes it seems to work and other days I don't feel any better . I think

Hips need more Physio also I think what happen to me I went to a Nursing

home and sat in a wheel chair for three weeks because they made you it was

funny these two Lady's where fighting in their wheel chairs and said I was a

witness I just left and didn't say anything .Well I hope your feeling

betting :-) Have a nice day :-)

| Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret, Well thanks could you let me know How the Pain Management Dr is ? I was told after my Hip operation to take deep breaths and that was suppose to help the pain I tried it helps a little .Well you take care and have a nice day:-) SusieMargaret <zztinau@...> wrote: Actually Susie, I think pain management might be a good idea. At least some of those pain management doctors give people hints on how to relax a little

when in pain. I am waiting for an appointment for one myself.HugsAussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004 Re: Manipulation under anesthesia HIP/SCAR TISSUE/Susie| Hi Margaret,| I agree with you what you wrote in this e-mail did you ever hear of pain Management ? I think I might go to one of these Dr's and see if they can help me I have a niece she lives in Florida and she's a Nurse she had a Ankle replacement well they did something to the nerve when they operated on her she has a hard time walking and is in a lot of pain and has to use a cane I think she had two operation already . I hope they can help her the pain management Dr .I guess I was lucky it didn't get to me until I was in

late 40's went to all kinds of Dr because I didn't have the right insurance they would say it was the veins in my legs I couldn't get x-rays until I was on SSI . I used to walked all the time until I couldn't walked anymore now I walked with my on wheels that the Nice's thing they came out with it has a seat you can rest on and it opens to put stuff inside of it , I don't know if I told you I was taking Celebrex until my Insurance wanted a note and| phone call from my regular Dr he said I had to pay $10.00 for him to do these things their was other paper work to do so I told him to give me a differant medicine so I'm taking Salsalate 500mg three times a day now sometimes it seems to work and other days I don't feel any better . I think Hips need more Physio also I think what happen to me I went to a Nursing home and sat in a wheel chair for three weeks because they made you it was funny these two Lady's where

fighting in their wheel chairs and said I was a witness I just left and didn't say anything .Well I hope your feeling betting :-) Have a nice day :-)| Susie

[Guest guest]

Sure Susie,

Our health system is in a bit of a mess here. I was told I would get a

letter in a couple of weeks in mid november. Still waiting. I'm wondering

when a couple of weeks will be up?

We are reliably informed by our State Premier that these kinds of things are

not because Queensland Health is falling apart at the seams.

I will let everyone know when I get an appointment.

Aussie Margaret

RTHR 1990 revised 2004

Re: Manipulation under anesthesia

HIP/SCAR TISSUE/Susie

| Hi Margaret,

| Well thanks could you let me know How the Pain Management Dr is ? I was

told after my Hip operation to take deep breaths and that was suppose to

help the pain I tried it helps a little .Well you take care and have a nice

day:-)

| Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret, I will be praying for you that you feel better and that you hear from the Dr soon:-) Well you take care and have a nice day:-) SusieMargaret <zztinau@...> wrote: Sure Susie,Our health system is in a bit of a mess here. I was told I would get a letter in a couple of weeks in mid november. Still waiting. I'm wondering when a couple of weeks will be up?We are reliably informed by our State Premier that these kinds of things are not because Queensland Health is falling apart at the seams.I will let

everyone know when I get an appointment.Aussie MargaretRTHR 1990 revised 2004 Re: Manipulation under anesthesia HIP/SCAR TISSUE/Susie| Hi Margaret,| Well thanks could you let me know How the Pain Management Dr is ? I was told after my Hip operation to take deep breaths and that was suppose to help the pain I tried it helps a little .Well you take care and have a nice day:-)| Susie