RE: Is there any hope

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I already passed that date up. It was supposed be June 1st but I am still not healed yet. So, maybe by Sept. I hate using the cane too but, it is what I have to do right now.

Connie

zztinau@... writes:

The date I set is coming up fast and I realise I have improved. I amnot taking pain killers daily, infact I think I only took them twicelast week. I'm not where I feel I need to be, but there is muchimprovement. Perhaps I'll set another deadline to give myself alittle more time.We do put a lot of demands on ourselves. My OS told me to use a stickwhen I last visited him. I have one volunteer who asks where my stickis every time he notices I am not walking well. I hate using that stick.Set yourself a milestone, when you can relook at your situation. Getsomeone to take a videotape of yourself so you won't have to rely onyour memory. Keep a diary with all the pain meds written in. Thencompare.Hugs from AustraliaAussie Margaret

[Guest guest]

My co-worker didn't say anything today about it. I see the Ortho doc a week from Tues. Maybe he has some other ideas. The injection in my knee is not working either.

Connie

fontgirl2002@... writes:

Connie,Sorry that things are so difficult for you right now :-( You have a lot going on with the sciatica and discs on top of everything else. It's discouraging to still have pain after five months, but not everyone recovers on the same timetable. I still had a lot of pain six months postop but I feel wonderful now. And I also have a lower back problem, which improved considerably after my hip settled down.That's a drag that you have to deal with someone who is so critical. You know best. You know what you need right now and if you still need the stick, so be it. Your coworker doesn't know what you're dealing with, and it doesn't sound as though she's willing to listen or try to understand.I really hope that things improve for you. It's tough being patient and this sounds cliché, but time resolve many difficulties.Have you experimented with positions or activities? I found that certain things really set my pain off and when I eliminated them, I felt 100% better.Good luck to you :-) Sigrid

[Guest guest]

The one thing is, She didn't do the thing that would have had her busy somewhere else. But, it was an easier day. I just tried to keep to myself. I am thinking maybe. Although She can make one hour a nightmare. I hope that She gets herself husy somewhere else next time.

Connie

palybami@... writes:

Hey Connie, Guess what? That sounds like your prayers were answered in a most unexpected way! Maybe your supervisor has discovered this web site?

Marge

[Guest guest]

Connie,

Sorry that things are so difficult for you right now :-( You have a

lot going on with the sciatica and discs on top of everything else.

It's discouraging to still have pain after five months, but not

everyone recovers on the same timetable. I still had a lot of pain

six months postop but I feel wonderful now. And I also have a lower

back problem, which improved considerably after my hip settled down.

That's a drag that you have to deal with someone who is so

critical. You know best. You know what you need right now and if

you still need the stick, so be it. Your coworker doesn't know what

you're dealing with, and it doesn't sound as though she's willing to

listen or try to understand.

I really hope that things improve for you. It's tough being patient

and this sounds cliché, but time resolve many difficulties.

Have you experimented with positions or activities? I found that

certain things really set my pain off and when I eliminated them, I

felt 100% better.

Good luck to you :-) Sigrid

>

> Thank You, My co-worker is greek orthodox. I don't know what She

believes

> all I know is that I was going a few steps without it and, all of

sudden, I

> was told I needed to stop depending on it. In which I told her

that I have to

> use to get across the skyway at work because it is not a short

walk. She did

> not listen nor care. My P.T. however is on my side and, so is

the rest of

> my department because, they know I am not thrilled about having

to use it

> every day. She is just a very difficult person to deal with.

She treats

> everyone horribly. But, the bosses don't do anything. I have to

prepare myself

> just for 7 hours with her. As a person she is fine but, as a co-

worker, She is

> the co-worker from Hell. Most of the time my pain isn't so bad.

>

> Connie

> _cindyj4652@y..._ (mailto:cindyj4652@y...) writes:

>

> Hi Connie,

> I have a bad knee myself on which I am getting ready to have TKR

(Aug 1). I

> was reading your post about the pain you are having and praying

for healing.

> I have been doing that too, but I have found that sometimes God

has other

> ideas. Read in the Bible about the Apostle . He prayed for

the removal of

> the thorn in his flesh, whatever it was, and God said no. God

gives us strength

> to do what we must each day and to carry on. Sometimes us showing

the

> strength God gives to handle the adversity is a greater witness of

His power than a

> healing would be. It shows God's mighty power. We need to

remember to give

> Him praise no matter our problems. I know sometimes that is

easier said than

> done, but I am a walking, talking witness when it comes to God's

power and how

> much He loves us. As to the co-worker, if you are able to do your

job within

> reason, why is it any of her business that you use that cane. If

she is one

> of those who believes in the Benny Hinn type of " healing " ,

please no offense

> meant, but don't get me started on that nonsense, she needs to

read her

> Bible a little more carefully because God doesn't always do what

we want. The

> verses that talk about " ...by His stripes we are healed. " have

been taken to

> mean that God will heal on demand. I believe they mean He will

heal our sin sick

> souls not necessarily our bodies. If I offend, I am sorry, but I

do not

> believe in faith healing and such but I do believe that God can

and will heal IF

> IT IS HIS WILL, not so much our will. He does not base healing on

our faith

> level, either. Take care and God bless. I'll pray for you, too.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Connie, Guess what? That sounds like your prayers were answered in a most unexpected way! Maybe your supervisor has discovered this web site?

Marge

I got an e-mail from her. Her hours are changed so, I only have 5 hours with her instead of 7 and, She now has other things to do so, We won't be working next to each other all afternoon. I will try not to react. I can't make any guarantees. Hopefully things will go smoothly.

Connie

[Guest guest]

Very, very well said Sassy Lou. I have not had a hip, shoulder,

knee, spine or ankle replacement, although there are those who say I

need all 5. I have decided for the time being anyway, to continue as

I am. I work in my gardens 1 1/2 hours each day. I kneel on the

ground with my kneeler beside me so that I can get up. I rake, dig,

clip and pull weeds until my knee and fingers are beyond sore. I

take breaks in between, spending the time in 1/2 hour shifts. Today

I did my 1 1/2 hours as well as a load of laundry, and vacuumed my

double stairway and foyer, office lavette, family room and utility

room. Yes, I am quite sore now, but tomorrow will be right back at

it because I know the excercise does me the world of good. I am not

going to sit around because I have pain. I am going to live until I

die, doing what I love to do and some of what I don't like to do

because it need to be done.

Arianne

> I'm tired of this. Really tired. I just want my life back. I

know people

> are worse off than I am. I wish for no one to be living in pain

but, now it is

> almost 5 months and, I just am having a very hard time having

faith for

> healing. >>> I know how your feeling Connie. I've been nearly 3

yrs. now with my

> " new life " and it's hard finding just what part of it to consider

a blessing.

> Each day has it's on level of disconfort or challenge to over

come. I

> stopped looking for " my old life back " and excepted what I've been

left with....

> yes, that decision created a heartache in ways but way less then

hoping day in &

> day out for something other then what I had & getting nowhere. If

I get

> better good... if not then it's merely the way things are suppose

to be.

> Disappointment is what is so overwhelming to you... what you have

to realize is life

> changes for us all in different ways. Some get the good end while

we're left

> with the bad end.... but is either any less of a miracle ? I

still say at 5

> months.... healing MAY yet be your issue... it takes time and some

bodies don't

> heal as fast as others. But if what you've got is what your left

with.... is

> your everyday gonna be complaining about it ? Wasting away

wishing you had

> something different ? Watching others pass you by while you sit

awaiting that

> magical moment that fixes it all ? It's not to be harsh... or

cold hearted

> about your being in pain... it's being REAL with you! Sometimes

life isn't about

> " what we want " it's about what " we get " ..... but in that challenge

our destiny

> is determined by the way we confront those issues or weep daily

wishing we

> had something else.... til there is no more! I don't do things

like I once

> did... I know I have limitations I once didn't.... and my pain is

what it is for

> that day. But I refuse to miss out on making the most of my

moments hoping for

> something that might not ever be~ if it is.... then WOOOHOOO but

if it's

> not.... then YeeeHAW boils down to creating yourself a different

way of looking at

> things~ and NO ONE can do it for you! You have to create your

hope, you have

> to want more in your day... so it's not walking like you want to

or riding in

> a wheelchair your day will be what it is BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT

HAPPEN! Rich

> people are poor in the light of... they can never seem to find

happiness in just

> a cheap BPJ picnic throwed together on a blanket amoung the bugs

on the

> ground~ they seek the 5 star resturant with wine, skyline view &

music. There are

> poor people richer then what money can buy.... not because they

have a huge

> wallet~ but because they want more in their life~ they seek simple

pleasure.

> Should it honestly matter where your at or what your doing as long

as you INSIST

> on having a terrific time.... then you will ONLY IF you refuse to

settle for

> less! Stop trying to make yourself pain free... and except your

day for what

> it is..... put on a smile & do whatever it is that you can to

create yourself

> a terrific day.

>

> if my co-worker gives me any trouble tomorrow about using my cane

>>> Why is

> it any of her concern to begin with ? She's not the one using it~

>

> My co-worker can get very mean and, make my time with her a living

hell. >>>

> Goes to the old saying... best way to fix a bitter soul is to

kill'm with

> kindness. I would avoid time in or around her when possible and

during the times

> that you can't.... merely smile & counter her remarks with kind

words &

> compliments. I teach my kids " we do not control the things

another says nor does

> to us in this life~ what WE DO CONTROL is the way we CHOOSE to

react " . It's

> only a living hell for you because you permit her to get under

your skin....

> don't give her the pleasure. Beings as she's a Christian

woman.... you might

> want to research yourself a few good bible verses which might

assist you such as

> Ephesians 4:32 but there are many more available.

>

> One Sunday with her and, I want to tear my hair out. So, please

pray for a

> peaceful day tomorrow if that is possible and, for healing >>>

Let Sunday be

> for a greater reason to you. Certainly will add you to my prayers

Connie....

> just please know that when I pray... I seldom ask for what I want~

rather for

> his will to be done. I can only hope that healing for you is part

of his plan.

> If not~ then learn your lesson well and redirect your efforts.

Your voice

> could be the one to encourage another who has lost hope~

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

I was going to send connie a e-mail I was going to say the same thing I have this one where you say Trust The Lord and Take One Day At a Time and this other one is If you have Faith as much as a mustand seed nothing inpossible . Well you take care and have a nice day.

Susie

--------- Re: Is there any hope

Hi Connie,

I have a bad knee myself on which I am getting ready to have TKR (Aug 1). I was reading your post about the pain you are having and praying for healing. I have been doing that too, but I have found that sometimes God has other ideas. Read in the Bible about the Apostle . He prayed for the removal of the thorn in his flesh, whatever it was, and God said no. God gives us strength to do what we must each day and to carry on. Sometimes us showing the strength God gives to handle the adversity is a greater witness of His power than a healing would be. It shows God's mighty power. We need to remember to give Him praise no matter our problems. I know sometimes that is easier said than done, but I am a walking, talking witness when it comes to God's power and how much He loves us. As to the co-worker, if you are able to do your job within reason, why is it any of her business that you use that cane. If she is one of those who believes in the Benny Hinn type of "healing! " , please no offense meant, but don't get me started on that nonsense, she needs to read her Bible a little more carefully because God doesn't always do what we want. The verses that talk about "...by His stripes we are healed." have been taken to mean that God will heal on demand. I believe they mean He will heal our sin sick souls not necessarily our bodies. If I offend, I am sorry, but I do not believe in faith healing and such but I do believe that God can and will heal IF IT IS HIS WILL, not so much our will. He does not base healing on our faith level, either. Take care and God bless. I'll pray for you, too.

juneflower60@... wrote:

Hi Connie,

If I remember right did you have a hip replacement and fell out of bed last Feb.? I had a hip replacement done five years ago and a knee replacement done three years ago I had these replacements done on my right side.

Well I went to a new Arthritis dr and he told me I was ok from looking at the x-rays from the old dr and he took new x-rays and layed me down on the table and moved me all around well he told me I had Bursitis in the hip I had replace and bad scar tissues and thats way I have pain in my new hip . I had a Spine test done and found out I have bad arthritis in my spine thats way I walk slow and I can't go up and down stairs and I still walk with a cane I need my left knee replace but it doesn't bother me that much I think the medicine I take . Well I hope things work out for you and I'll say a pray for you .Well you have a nice weekend.

Susie

-------------- Original message --------------

I thought I was improving but, then yesterday I was sitting on the steps and, pain just shot down my leg when I tried to get up. It was so bad. So, now today has been a rough day and, I am feeling a bit discouraged. I have been doing my exercises but, now I feel like I am never going to be able to get rid of my cane and, at least walk without pain. I see people walking down the street and, wish it was me. And, I see people in wheelchairs and, be glad it isn't me. And, feel bad for them. Then I wonder if that is my fate. I am trying so hard to make this pain go away but, it just won't go away. I got a shot in my knee and, it isn't doing anything for me. I'm tired of this. Really tired. I just want my life back. I know people are worse off than I am. I wish for no one to be living in pain but, now it is almost 5 months and, I just am having a very hard time having faith for healing. ! And, if my co-worker gives me any trouble tomorrow about using my cane, I won't be able to hold back my emotions. My co-worker can get very mean and, make my time with her a living hell. She is a Christian but, that doesn't stop her from being mean and, critical. One Sunday with her and, I want to tear my hair out. So, please pray for a peaceful day tomorrow if that is possible and, for healing.

Connie

God bless you! __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Connie,

Thanks to you too,I use a cane and I had my Hip replace five years ago and my knee replace three years ago I need my left knee replace but it doen't bother me that much but then it could be the medicine I take I wouldn't pay any attentions to them .

Well you take care and have a nice day.

Susie

-------------- Original message -------------- Yes that's me. I know I have bursitis and, sciatica and 2 bulging disks. I just get tired of taking pain pills to get through the day. Thank you for your prayers. I hope things work out for you too. I sometimes just feel like I shouldn't be using my cane but, then my co-worker makes me feel like I shouldn't even though my P.T. says I should not stop using it. And, to ignore my co-worker. Conniewer60@... writes:Hi Connie,If I remember right did you have a hip replacement and fell out of bed last Feb.? I had a hip replacement done five years ago and a knee replacement done three years ago I had these replacements done on my right side.Well I went to a new Arthritis dr and he told me I was ok from looking at the x-rays from the old dr and he took new x-rays and layed me down on the table and moved me all around well he told me I had Bursitis in the hip I had replace and bad scar tissues and thats way I have pain in my new hip . I had a Spine test done and found out I have bad arthritis in my spine thats way I walk slow and I can't go up and down stairs and I still walk with a cane I need my left knee replace but it doesn't bother me that much I think the medicine I take . Well I hope things work out for you and I'll say a pray for you .Well you have a nice weekend.Susie

[Guest guest]

I have set mine at a year from op date. And that won't be

enough.

I understand where you are at. I had anticipated I would be ok

last November.

Aussie Margaret

Re: Re: Is there any hope

>

> I already passed that date up. It was supposed be June 1st but

I am still

> not healed yet. So, maybe by Sept. I hate using the cane too

but, it is what

> I have to do right now.

>

> Connie

>

> zztinau@... writes:

>

> The date I set is coming up fast and I realise I have

improved. I am

> not taking pain killers daily, infact I think I only took them

twice

> last week. I'm not where I feel I need to be, but there is

much

> improvement. Perhaps I'll set another deadline to give myself

a

> little more time.

>

> We do put a lot of demands on ourselves. My OS told me to use

a stick

> when I last visited him. I have one volunteer who asks where

my stick

> is every time he notices I am not walking well. I hate using

that stick.

>

> Set yourself a milestone, when you can relook at your

situation. Get

> someone to take a videotape of yourself so you won't have to

rely on

> your memory. Keep a diary with all the pain meds written in.

Then

> compare.

>

> Hugs from Australia

>

> Aussie Margaret

>

>

>

>

Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.

[Guest guest]

Yes, sometimes it just takes longer than we think. I am not giving up though.

Connie

, zztinau@... writes:

I have set mine at a year from op date. And that won't beenough.I understand where you are at. I had anticipated I would be oklast November.Aussie Margaret

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Just had my 6-week post op OS appointment from my second THR. Everything checked out fine. Strength not yet 100%, but it's coming along. I was told that most of my restrictions will be lifted at 3 months post op. Only things I can never do are run, jump, and cross my legs.

Oh, and he also said not to do "the splits"! Sure... like I ever COULD do them!

Next recheck is in two months. I expect to be perfectly normal by then

Re: Re: Is there any hope

Yes, sometimes it just takes longer than we think. I am not giving up though.

Connie

, zztinau@... writes:

I have set mine at a year from op date. And that won't beenough.I understand where you are at. I had anticipated I would be oklast November.Aussie Margaret

[Guest guest]

I found a site that lists sports/activities are either recommended, not recommended, or no conclusion for after THRs. Check it out if you like.

http://www.minitotalhip.com/webpages/BackToSports.htm

[Guest guest]

With restrictions, I get the no running or jumping, but why the no

crossing of legs? If you don't use a pillow between your legs when

you sleep on you side, you are crossing your legs! There are a lot

of times when you cross that middle line.

Just wondering the reasoning.

Sue

> Hi everyone,

> Just had my 6-week post op OS appointment from my second THR.

Everything checked out fine. Strength not yet 100%, but it's coming

along. I was told that most of my restrictions will be lifted at 3

months post op. Only things I can never do are run, jump, and cross

my legs.

> Oh, and he also said not to do " the splits " ! Sure... like I

ever COULD do them!

> Next recheck is in two months. I expect to be perfectly

normal by then

> Re: Re: Is there any hope

>

>

> Yes, sometimes it just takes longer than we think. I am not

giving up though.

>

> Connie

>

> , zztinau@y... writes:

> I have set mine at a year from op date. And that won't be

> enough.

>

> I understand where you are at. I had anticipated I would be ok

> last November.

>

> Aussie Margaret

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

I think my OS means crossing legs while sitting. I still do use a pillow between my legs when I am laying down either on my back or on my side. But he doesn't want me to sit down and cross my legs. It's something I haven't been able to do for a couple years so I am used to not doing it.

Re: Re: Is there any hope> > > Yes, sometimes it just takes longer than we think. I am not giving up though.> > Connie> > , zztinau@y... writes:> I have set mine at a year from op date. And that won't be> enough.> > I understand where you are at. I had anticipated I would be ok> last November.> > Aussie Margaret> > > >

[Guest guest]

I catch myself doing that and then I have to stop myself. Habits are hard to break. Connie

tubbs8695@... writes:

I have been crossing my legs while sitting forever. Even when the hips were bad. I was doing it about a month post op. Some habits you just can not break!Sue

[Guest guest]

I have been crossing my legs while sitting forever. Even when the

hips were bad. I was doing it about a month post op. Some habits

you just can not break!

Sue

-- In Joint Replacement , <renazee@c...> wrote:

> Sue,

> I think my OS means crossing legs while sitting. I still do

use a pillow between my legs when I am laying down either on my back

or on my side. But he doesn't want me to sit down and cross my

legs. It's something I haven't been able to do for a couple years

so I am used to not doing it.

> Re: Re: Is there any hope

> >

> >

> > Yes, sometimes it just takes longer than we think. I am not

> giving up though.

> >

> > Connie

> >

> > , zztinau@y... writes:

> > I have set mine at a year from op date. And that won't be

> > enough.

> >

> > I understand where you are at. I had anticipated I would

be ok

> > last November.

> >

> > Aussie Margaret

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Very, very well said Sassy Lou. I have not had a hip, shoulder, knee, spine or ankle replacement, although there are those who say I need all 5. >>> Thanks

Arianne nice name by the way.... Appreicate the kind words although I'm sure some will think I'm a lil harsh on occaions.... it's not intended to hurt feelings nor make someone feel badly~ sometimes we merely see things differently for ourselves when another takes the time to speak "bluntly" about the way they see the same issue.

Any hoots... I certainly hope your joints hold out for ya sweetie, but don't go to intolerable points because your afraid of what might be. Even though mine didn't go "as planned" I can't say that I regret my decision... it did help with my level of pain. Joint replacement is a very sucessful operation these days for the majority. If you continue to wait... just keep a close eye on yourself just to ensure your conditions don't take a turn for the worst and make a smaller problem into a huge one. I do understand about waiting.... but honestly~ had I known the difference before hand, I probably would've had mine done sooner then I did.

I kneel on the ground with my kneeler beside me so that I can get up >>> I found a really nifty set of gardening tools that have extension handles. They go from like 24" to full length~ you just untighten the handle... pull out the length you want it to be and tighten it back. POOF.... no more kneeling! Think I got them at Big Lots for like $5~10 each... and I pull weeds with my grabby snatcher! LOL I still miss digging like I did but upside is.... no more grass stains on the knees of my pants from crawling around. Might wanta see if you can find yourself a set~ you wouldn't believe the difference not only in your lower extermities but in your back strain too.

I am going to live until I die, doing what I love to do and some of what I don't like to do because it need to be done. >>> AMEN to that thought!

[Guest guest]

Just had my 6-week post op OS appointment from my second THR. Everything checked out fine.>>> Wooo HOOO way to go Renazee so happy to hear the good news for ya sweetie.

Strength not yet 100%, but it's coming along. >>> You keep doing what your doing.... you'll get there. Better slower then never. I hope your recovery time is over before you know it.... and your off & doing the rapid walk on the roads before you know it. <wink> NOT in THE CAR but via 10 toe cadie walking run deal. <giggling> well if it's real hot or too cold.... drive LOL but lets hope you can walk it when & how far you want.... when YOU CHOOSE TO.

Oh, and he also said not to do "the splits"! Sure... like I ever COULD do them! >>> Well least he didn't leave out anything~

Next recheck is in two months. I expect to be perfectly normal by then >>>I wish you well sweetie and hope it's a terrific check up for you.

[Guest guest]

thank you guys i will def. look up these books, yeah, i was just venting and

again i want the thank you for reading my long speech.... later i had a talk

with my sister she called me saying that mom was saying how upset i was and she

was telling me how the docs were insuring her they took out the thimiserol (sp)

and i said yes but they are replacing it with 2 - Phenoxyethanol and i read off

the research i had done with that, and then she was like " why didin't you tell

me this before i went " i said i tried and we had a little laugh, you know

sisterly love

i know my sister cares and i know that it has to do with being young (and i

ain't that old) but being young and having docs and a mother kinda making you

feel like an ant and know nothing... but i will def. get these books read myself

and pass them on to my sister, probably with highlighted marks....

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Vaccinations@...: howdurdago@...: Thu, 20 Nov 2008

11:23:18 -0800Subject: Re: is there any hope

Wow! , you are one very cool and caring aunty!Probably the best book is Dr

Mendelsohn's book called " How to Raise a Healthy Child - in Spite of Your

Doctor. " There might be a chance they will listen, but you may have to accept

that they won't. You can lead a horse to water... My family had a very graphic

illustration of vaccine dangers thrust right under their noses when my son

suffered brain injury nearly 35 years ago. Thus, the rest of the family didn't

vaccinate. Neither did the neighbours.But don't give up hope. There are always

opportunities to educate without being pushy, unless they really are adamant

about not wanting to hear the truth. How lucky YOUR child is that you found out

about vaccine injury.Best wishes,MaracujaFrom: nicole laramy

<nicolelaramy@...>Subject: is there any hopeTo:

vaccinations@...: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:02 AMok, my

children are 7 months old, when they were born (preemie) i was in the hospital

for 3 weeks myself while they were in the nicu and i got all the doc talk, you

need this and this and this shot and they HAVE to have it to go to school, so of

course before they were out of the nicu they got there shots, and they got them

for about 4 months.. then we moved into the basement of my husbands uncle house

and he as a vaccine injured child. so i started doing my own research and have

now opted out of giving shots... of course being a new mom and having docs down

your throat i look up stuff on shot before i go in to ease my mind of saying no

and to have a little KNOWLEDGE for the docs.... ha ha ha... i love being the

smart one in the room... lol... so my reason for is there any hope.....my sister

had her baby 3 months after me, and i love my little niece and my sister, she is

16 and still lives with my mother... my sister and i had the vaccine talk when i

started doing my research and she had also decided NOT to give trinity any more

shots well yestarday they went to the doctor and my sister was going to say no

again, they gave her the papers and gave her and my mother the speech about how

they are not HARMFULL and how they HAVE TO HAVE them when she starts school, and

my MOTHER and SISTER finially gave in and (my mother being the culprit) trinity

got her 4 month old shots DTaP Hib Polio (IPV) Pneumococcal (PVC) Rotavirus not

only that my mother said they caught her up on the 3 months that she missed

which added a hep b....OMG!!!! so i just got off the phone with my mother and we

got into the i let you guys get your shots and you are fine and i got mine, i

was trying to tell her that there are way MORE shots now then 45-60 years ago

when her and my grandmother got them... i also pulled the grandma lived through

the polio and all that stuff and didn't get a vaccine and she is fine... and why

give a polio vaccine they are not in a third world country and how the only

cases that are known now are from the ones that GOT the shot... well it was a

never ending battle, she pulled the " do you know anybody that is injured from

this..? " she didn't like it wheni said yes they live right upstairs... but in

the end it came down to me saying, it was your choice to vaccinate us when we

were younger and yes we are lucky that nothing major never happend but i see my

nephew with cerebralpalsey and i already see what an illness can do to our

family i am not putting toxins into my child that can cause another... and then

i said that some outcomes of these shots are very rare. so why worry??? right

well it is also very RARE for a 7 month old to stick a fork in an outlet in your

own home but i still put protectors on for safety... so if i am going to work so

hard on protecting my child from RARE things in the home you are damn sure i am

going to protect my child from RARE cases that can happen from vaccines injury

and if a disease breaks out i am sure that GOD himself has created a way

naturaly to protect our family, his children.... ...ok i am breathing now.... i

am just so angry that my mother and sister do not realize what they are possible

doing to her... and my sister not standing up for herself is sad..thank you guys

for listening..well. . reading my vent...also my sister said they gave her

papers on how they are safe, i know it is probably the same papers they give me

from the vaccine company (big dogs wanting money) is there a book that is really

good on just explaing the basics that can make her understand where i am coming

from also and lit the dangers in an understandable way.. yeah, i want the book

for myself too... i have a mother-n-law to contend with also..because according

to some in my family i am just opening up disease and death upon my children

because I DON " T vaccinate anymore... when inside i am praying that i didn't do

any harm with 4 months of vaccinesthank you a conserned mother, and aunt

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You can also steer her towards some of the autism groups, such as the

National Autism Association, Autism Research Institute, TACA, etc.

She can see the devestation that vaccines has caused there. The

conservative estimate is 1 in 150 children have autism now, compared

with 1 in 10,000 20 years ago. Generation Rescue has a chart on the

shots kids got in 1983 vs. what they get now. The tripling of

vaccines coincides with the autism explosion.

Vaccine injury is hell. Some of the vaccines your niece got the other

day can't even be justified by pediatricians, such as the hepatitis B

shot. Hepatitis B is transmitted through blood or body fluids. Not

something a 4 month old baby could possibly come in contact with.

You are being a caring aunt. Your mom and sister were bullied by the

doctor. But tell them there are plenty of moms who regret getting

their kids those shots with every fiber of their being, and would be

glad to talk to them about how their families changed forever after

getting them.

Good Luck,

Sylvia

From: nicole laramy <nicolelaramy@...>Subject:

is there any hopevaccinations@...: Thursday, November 20, 2008,

11:02 AMok, my children are 7 months old, when they were born

(preemie) i was in the hospital for 3 weeks myself while they were in

the nicu and i got all the doc talk, you need this and this and this

shot and they HAVE to have it to go to school, so of course before

they were out of the nicu they got there shots, and they got them for

about 4 months.. then we moved into the basement of my husbands uncle

house and he as a vaccine injured child. so i started doing my own

research and have now opted out of giving shots... of course being a

new mom and having docs down your throat i look up stuff on shot

before i go in to ease my mind of saying no and to have a little

KNOWLEDGE for the docs.... ha ha ha... i love being the smart one in

the room... lol... so my reason for is there any hope.....my sister

had her baby 3 months after me, and i love my little niece and my

sister, she is 16 and still lives with my mother... my sister and i

had the vaccine talk when i started doing my research and she had

also decided NOT to give trinity any more shots well yestarday they

went to the doctor and my sister was going to say no again, they gave

her the papers and gave her and my mother the speech about how they

are not HARMFULL and how they HAVE TO HAVE them when she starts

school, and my MOTHER and SISTER finially gave in and (my mother

being the culprit) trinity got her 4 month old shots DTaP Hib Polio

(IPV) Pneumococcal (PVC) Rotavirus not only that my mother said they

caught her up on the 3 months that she missed which added a hep

b....OMG!!!! so i just got off the phone with my mother and we got

into the i let you guys get your shots and you are fine and i got

mine, i was trying to tell her that there are way MORE shots now then

45-60 years ago when her and my grandmother got them... i also pulled

the grandma lived through the polio and all that stuff and didn't get

a vaccine and she is fine... and why give a polio vaccine they are

not in a third world country and how the only cases that are known

now are from the ones that GOT the shot... well it was a never ending

battle, she pulled the " do you know anybody that is injured from

this..? " she didn't like it wheni said yes they live right

upstairs... but in the end it came down to me saying, it was your

choice to vaccinate us when we were younger and yes we are lucky that

nothing major never happend but i see my nephew with cerebralpalsey

and i already see what an illness can do to our family i am not

putting toxins into my child that can cause another... and then i

said that some outcomes of these shots are very rare. so why worry???

right well it is also very RARE for a 7 month old to stick a fork in

an outlet in your own home but i still put protectors on for

safety... so if i am going to work so hard on protecting my child

from RARE things in the home you are damn sure i am going to protect

my child from RARE cases that can happen from vaccines injury and if

a disease breaks out i am sure that GOD himself has created a way

naturaly to protect our family, his children.... ...ok i am breathing

now.... i am just so angry that my mother and sister do not realize

what they are possible doing to her... and my sister not standing up

for herself is sad..thank you guys for listening..well. . reading my

vent...also my sister said they gave her papers on how they are safe,

i know it is probably the same papers they give me from the vaccine

company (big dogs wanting money) is there a book that is really good

on just explaing the basics that can make her understand where i am

coming from also and lit the dangers in an understandable way.. yeah,

i want the book for myself too... i have a mother-n-law to contend

with also..because according to some in my family i am just opening

up disease and death upon my children because I DON " T vaccinate

anymore... when inside i am praying that i didn't do any harm with 4

months of vaccinesthank you a conserned mother, and aunt

LaramyAvon Ind sales repbeauty advisor order online at www.youravon.

com/nlamor contact me at434-409-6286Nicol elaramyhotmail (DOT) comto

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One book that is pretty good is called " How to live to be 100 in

spite of your doctor " by Bruce Hagen (he quotes the Mendelson book

alot, hense the title) The reason I like to recommend it is because

it's not a big complicated book and doesnt take long to read. I dont

know how easy it would be to find, since it's written by a local

doctor in SD. Anyway, that's the book that convinced me not to

vaccinate my kids.

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> ok, my children are 7 months old, when they were born (preemie) i

was in the hospital for 3 weeks myself while they were in the nicu

and i got all the doc talk, you need this and this and this shot and

they HAVE to have it to go to school, so of course before they were

out of the nicu they got there shots, and they got them for about 4

months.. then we moved into the basement of my husbands uncle house

and he as a vaccine injured child. so i started doing my own research

and have now opted out of giving shots... of course being a new mom

and having docs down your throat i look up stuff on shot before i go

in to ease my mind of saying no and to have a little KNOWLEDGE for

the docs.... ha ha ha... i love being the smart one in the room...

lol.. so my reason for is there any hope.....

>

> my sister had her baby 3 months after me, and i love my little

niece and my sister, she is 16 and still lives with my mother... my

sister and i had the vaccine talk when i started doing my research

and she had also decided NOT to give trinity any more shots well

yestarday they went to the doctor and my sister was going to say no

again, they gave her the papers and gave her and my mother the speech

about how they are not HARMFULL and how they HAVE TO HAVE them when

she starts school, and my MOTHER and SISTER finially gave in and (my

mother being the culprit) trinity got her 4 month old shots

> DTaP

> Hib

> Polio (IPV)

> Pneumococcal (PVC)

> Rotavirus

> not only that my mother said they caught her up on the 3 months

that she missed which added a hep b....OMG!!!! so i just got off the

phone with my mother and we got into the i let you guys get your

shots and you are fine and i got mine, i was trying to tell her that

there are way MORE shots now then 45-60 years ago when her and my

grandmother got them... i also pulled the grandma lived through the

polio and all that stuff and didn't get a vaccine and she is fine...

and why give a polio vaccine they are not in a third world country

and how the only cases that are known now are from the ones that GOT

the shot... well it was a never ending battle, she pulled the " do you

know anybody that is injured from this..? " she didn't like it wheni

said yes they live right upstairs... but in the end it came down to

me saying, it was your choice to vaccinate us when we were younger

and yes we are lucky that nothing major never happend but i see my

nephew with cerebral palsey and i already see what an illness can do

to our family i am not putting toxins into my child that can cause

another... and then i said that some outcomes of these shots are very

rare. so why worry??? right well it is also very RARE for a 7 month

old to stick a fork in an outlet in your own home but i still put

protectors on for safety... so if i am going to work so hard on

protecting my child from RARE things in the home you are damn sure i

am going to protect my child from RARE cases that can happen from

vaccines injury and if a disease breaks out i am sure that GOD

himself has created a way naturaly to protect our family, his

children.......

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> ok i am breathing now.... i am just so angry that my mother and

sister do not realize what they are possible doing to her... and my

sister not standing up for herself is sad..

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> thank you guys for listening..well.. reading my vent...

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> also my sister said they gave her papers on how they are safe, i

know it is probably the same papers they give me from the vaccine

company (big dogs wanting money) is there a book that is really good

on just explaing the basics that can make her understand where i am

coming from also and lit the dangers in an understandable way.. yeah,

i want the book for myself too... i have a mother-n-law to contend

with also..

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> because according to some in my family i am just opening up disease

and death upon my children because I DON " T vaccinate anymore... when

inside i am praying that i didn't do any harm with 4 months of

vaccines

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